02.26.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 25th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:30 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	nn	Feb 25 00:03
schestowitz	“A four-year study of more than 1,200 youngsters performed by the University of Massachusetts Medical School found that children whose parents let them watch R-rated movies are more likely to smoke.” Kids Who Watch R-Rated Movies More Likely to Smoke < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8233 >	Feb 25 00:05
schestowitz	BakBone ourra ops: “BakBone Software® (Pink Sheets:BKBO)” http://www.businesswire.com/portal…	Feb 25 00:07
Balrog_	not surprising	Feb 25 00:17
schestowitz	Britain faces summer of rage – police < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/23/pol… >	Feb 25 00:18
schestowitz	It’s like Great Depression all over again	Feb 25 00:19
schestowitz	People who are not broke totally misunderstand why this is serious. If someone loses his/her houses it’s a serious problem for everyone because crime soars and unrest rises.	Feb 25 00:19
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-no… ” UK police warn that lots of people unemployed might join in protests against the privileged few who are not sharing their hardship, or trashing the envrionment. The report takes for granted that the state should try to suppress these grievances rather than act on them. “	Feb 25 00:20
schestowitz	US soldier guilty of Iraq murder < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/… >. Finally they apply the same standards in the other way.	Feb 25 00:21
schestowitz	balzac: http://consortiumnews.com/2009/021909.html “For those of us who have criticized the U.S. mainstream media for failing to resist right-wing pressure over the past three decades, there is a sad sense of vindication watching the downward spiral of so many once-venerable newspapers. But this trend carries with it a new threat to American democracy.”	Feb 25 00:22
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schestowitz	Ballmer is afraid of Google’s Linux: Ballmer: Android makes Google a bigger rival to Windows on PCs < http://www.techflash.com/Ballmer_Android… >	Feb 25 00:39
*schestowitz will post more details in today’s links		Feb 25 00:39
Balrog	schestowitz: I missed you at 18:35	Feb 25 00:43
Balrog	who’s dailykossers anyways?	Feb 25 00:44
schestowitz	Balrog: I was at the gym	Feb 25 00:44
schestowitz	Daily Koss is a politcial site	Feb 25 00:44
Balrog_	you said “Balrog: what do dailykossers say about this? Do they want justice and accomplices?”	Feb 25 00:44
schestowitz	*Kos	Feb 25 00:44
schestowitz	Oh, I meant to address this @ balzac	Feb 25 00:45
Balrog_	ah … that explains it	Feb 25 00:45
schestowitz	He left like 10k comments in there	Feb 25 00:45
Balrog_	I see what happens when 2 people have similar nicks	Feb 25 00:45
schestowitz	Nice banner: http://themysticbird.com/2009/02/20…	Feb 25 00:47
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schestowitz	Blakenhorn with another trollish hypothesis sigh! Could the Linux Foundation get too big? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3551 >	Feb 25 01:02
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schestowitz	I broke one of the machines at the gym today The squat machine that I maxed… second time I break it in 2 years :-S	Feb 25 01:09
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Balrog_	heh	Feb 25 01:16
Balrog_	need to pay for it?	Feb 25 01:17
schestowitz	No, of course not.	Feb 25 01:17
Balrog_	ok.	Feb 25 01:17
schestowitz	I’ve been going there for 7 years	Feb 25 01:17
Balrog_	I see	Feb 25 01:17
schestowitz	It’s not my fault either because the sable snapped	Feb 25 01:18
Balrog_	ah.	Feb 25 01:18
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schestowitz	LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiP…	Feb 25 03:05
zer0c00l	time for classes	Feb 25 03:07
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_w…	Feb 25 03:48
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mib_9az8ei	where is there a warning list of distros that have sold out to MS?	Feb 25 09:57
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MinceR	such a list would be nice	Feb 25 10:05
MinceR	the distros i know of are suse, xandros, turbolinux and linspire	Feb 25 10:05
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mib_ka8p78	ummm… Eshays?	Feb 25 10:38
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MinceR	gesundheit.	Feb 25 10:48
schestowitz	Morning..	Feb 25 10:49
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mib_9az8ei	redhat told MS to piss off	Feb 25 10:54
schestowitz	Where?	Feb 25 11:02
schestowitz	When..?	Feb 25 11:02
schestowitz	Banking app vuln surfaces 18 months after discovery < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… >	Feb 25 11:09
schestowitz	balzac: we’re having the same problem here as you do in the US. From the news: Straw vetoes publication of cabinet Iraq war minutes < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2… >	Feb 25 11:26
schestowitz	Google Backs Europe Case Against Microsoft Browser < http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/24… >	Feb 25 11:26
schestowitz	Home Office plans to force CCTV on shops and pubs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… >	Feb 25 11:28
schestowitz	Straw slaps ban on Iraq debate docs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0…	Feb 25 11:47
schestowitz	“Mobile phone chip maker Qualcomm is considering laying off up to 40 engineers at its Cambridge labs, an insider has revealed.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0…	Feb 25 11:48
schestowitz	“Straw hit by internet fraudsters .. UK Justice Secretary Jack Straw has been the victim of Nigerian fraudsters who sent out hundreds of e-mails in his name asking for money.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_…	Feb 25 11:53
schestowitz	SNP accuse PM of airbrushing site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_poli…	Feb 25 11:54
oiaohm	Nigerian fraudsters starting to expand reach. Nice	Feb 25 12:05
MinceR	note how this supposed “linux” site mentions only Active Directory as possible directory services >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory…	Feb 25 12:12
MinceR	then again, the article was written by a microsoft slave	Feb 25 12:13
schestowitz	ECT..	Feb 25 12:13
schestowitz	It used to be a decent site	Feb 25 12:13
schestowitz	Then taken over by Enderle and chums when it was old..	Feb 25 12:14
schestowitz	*sold	Feb 25 12:14
mib_9az8ei	LinuxInsider went over to MS a few years ago…	Feb 25 12:21
mib_9az8ei	before that it was good.	Feb 25 12:21
schestowitz	2004	Feb 25 12:22
schestowitz	IIRC	Feb 25 12:22
oiaohm	Some samba people believe that active directory is the solution.	Feb 25 12:22
schestowitz	I wrote about it in BN a few times..	Feb 25 12:22
oiaohm	Ok samba version of it of course.	Feb 25 12:22
MinceR	so do they think AD is the solution or not? :>	Feb 25 12:22
MinceR	evidently, they don’t, seeing how they’re developing a replacement.	Feb 25 12:23
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oiaohm	Samba AD is a drop in clone in development of the MS ADS over the wire.	Feb 25 12:24
oiaohm	It looks like its going to do its first major appearance after a project called franky completes.	Feb 25 12:24
oiaohm	Yes franky after frankinstin. Samba 3 and Samba 4 merged.	Feb 25 12:25
oiaohm	Yes ew	Feb 25 12:25
oiaohm	I hope freeipa or something else gets there first.	Feb 25 12:25
MinceR	which makes it a good first step for getting out of microsoft hell.	Feb 25 12:32
oiaohm	Also means if you use ADS to manage your linux machines they still stay in ADS hell.	Feb 25 12:33
oiaohm	ADS was not designed with Linux’s features in mind.	Feb 25 12:33
oiaohm	Freeipa and pulse2 (from mandariva nothing to do with pulseaudio) are both design for the way Linux works.	Feb 25 12:40
MinceR	a smoother transition becomes possible :>	Feb 25 12:45
MinceR	what are freeipa and pulse2? directory services?	Feb 25 12:46
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeIPA Major expand on directory services	Feb 25 12:54
oiaohm	Mangement frameworks.	Feb 25 12:54
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schestowitz	Juniper poisoned by Microsoft vs. Cisco: “(New CEO Kevin Johnson shared a grim IT spending outlook at the event.) ” http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/0…	Feb 25 13:08
amarsh04	schestowitz… do you remember any official links for Mark Hurd’s bonus package?	Feb 25 13:20
amarsh04	my co-workers were stunned when they heard of his bonuses	Feb 25 13:21
schestowitz	I could search for information, but I never watched it closely, so I don’t know. Some executives like to receive 1$ wages to deceive their employees (hiding their personal gains in bonuses and stocks).	Feb 25 13:24
MinceR	$1 is a bad choice for deception :>	Feb 25 13:25
oiaohm	Yahoo?	Feb 25 13:26
oiaohm	There was funny. 1$ wage because you could not be a board member without a wage. When you own large sections of the company why do you need a wage as well.	Feb 25 13:27
oiaohm	Lot of the payments of company boards and the laws around it need to be investaged.	Feb 25 13:27
amarsh04	I seem to remember USD$24 million… will google it	Feb 25 13:28
amarsh04	I was wrong… the first hits are getting US$42.8 million	Feb 25 13:30
schestowitz	Just in: Rivals Sun and H-P Hope to Make News Together < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/24/riva… >	Feb 25 13:33
MinceR	a little more than your best-paid employee would probably be a better choice of a wage if your aim was deception	Feb 25 13:34
schestowitz	amarsh04: he cashes in for his ‘overachievements’	Feb 25 13:34
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe there is also an element of humour in it. it’s also how they can show off their ‘humbleness’ in the press (headlines of paras about ‘funny’ wages).	Feb 25 13:35
amarsh04	found the edgar posting of HP executive remuneration Mark V Hurd USD$42,514,524; Ann M. Livermore USD$20,551,493	Feb 25 13:35
MinceR	ic	Feb 25 13:35
MinceR	and who believes them?	Feb 25 13:35
schestowitz	“Ellison makes 100k/year” doesn’t make interesting news	Feb 25 13:36
schestowitz	Oracle shareholders choke on Ellison’s package < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… >	Feb 25 13:36
schestowitz	“His 2008 cash and stock package weighed in at $83m last year, 372 per cent above what Ellison’s peers in other chief executive positions receive. Successive stock allocations, meanwhile, have transformed Ellison into possibly Oracle’s single biggest individual stockholder – he holds 22.6 per cent of common Oracle stock.”	Feb 25 13:37
oiaohm	Yahoo needed advertisement when they first did it.	Feb 25 13:45
oiaohm	So yes 1 dollar wages if you can afford to do it is good marketing tool.	Feb 25 13:45
schestowitz	Google too	Feb 25 13:51
schestowitz	Apple I think also….	Feb 25 13:51
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twitter	bwa, ha ha. M$FT hit a new 52 week low yesterday.	Feb 25 14:28
twitter	$16.36, now trading at 16.91	Feb 25 14:29
twitter	I got to play with an iTouch yesterday.	Feb 25 14:32
twitter	It looks like a nice PDA and needs to be liberated with free software.	Feb 25 14:32
schestowitz	‘Liberated’ with DRM…..	Feb 25 14:33
twitter	eliminating DRM would be the best thing about putting free software on the device.	Feb 25 14:34
twitter	how difficult has Apple made liberation?	Feb 25 14:35
twitter	gotta go, will be back soon.	Feb 25 14:36
schestowitz	They are in for profit only. “Screw everything else”	Feb 25 14:37
oiaohm	Funny thing is DRM is not the most effective deterent.	Feb 25 14:37
oiaohm	Watermarking with personal information is.	Feb 25 14:37
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oiaohm	Ie the person who aquired it personal information.	Feb 25 14:38
schestowitz	This does not expire content	Feb 25 14:39
schestowitz	Several years back there was an admission that content expiry is a revenue boosting tool.	Feb 25 14:40
schestowitz	E.g. user buys a new music player or PVR and then needs to repurchase content or buy more	Feb 25 14:40
schestowitz	This notion that one European psychologist (IIRC) named “planned obsolescence is at the heart of this endless ‘consumption’ (as in “consumer”) cycle	Feb 25 14:41
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mib_a1xa87	hi. fellas. i wonder if someone has been able to get express gate into a mobo/system without windows	Feb 25 15:06
schestowitz	It’s hard	Feb 25 15:08
schestowitz	If not impossible	Feb 25 15:08
schestowitz	Did you see the post about it?	Feb 25 15:08
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Omar87	Hi all	Feb 25 15:16
Omar87	So, what do ya’ll think of the agreement Red Hat signed with MS a couple of days ago?	Feb 25 15:16
schestowitz	It’s not yet known what it involves	Feb 25 15:18
MinceR	i think it’s a mistake, but it isn’t an overly big one	Feb 25 15:22
Omar87	Let ua	Feb 25 15:35
Omar87	I meant: Let us all hope so..	Feb 25 15:36
Omar87	It’s funny how sometimes when I talk to people about Linux, that they start calling me a fan boy.	Feb 25 15:37
schestowitz	If you talked about Windows, then..?	Feb 25 15:42
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schestowitz	Heh. “Freedom fanboys”. I thought people can only be fans of celerities or brands (corporations). “Hey, YOU! You vegetables fanboy (vegetarian) [...] and YOU, you females fangirls (women rights activists) ..”	Feb 25 15:44
schestowitz	Canadian prof: Green IT is a waste of time < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02… >	Feb 25 15:47
MinceR	you damn life fanboys	Feb 25 15:50
MinceR	and oxygen fanboys	Feb 25 15:51
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schestowitz	Giorgio Armani Realizes That Fashion Copying Isn’t A Bad Thing < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009021… >	Feb 25 16:01
schestowitz	There is one OS brand people are /expected/ to cherish (i.e. be a fan of). So keeping out of it is now “fanboyism”? GNU/Linux is commodity,not a company. It’s like air.. it’s shared.	Feb 25 16:02
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MinceR	some people don’t want to share.	Feb 25 16:06
MinceR	they call sharing “communism”.	Feb 25 16:07
Goblin	Roy just a quick one….Ive got to go off soon….youve had a mention on another site:	Feb 25 16:07
Goblin	http://www.infoworld.com/article/09…	Feb 25 16:07
Goblin	seems like youre the word on Linux!! Welldone!	Feb 25 16:07
Goblin	cya later.	Feb 25 16:08
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schestowitz	MinceR: you don’t know? “Communists” are people who envy Americans (because they have McDonalds) and “Communists” have 40,000 nuclear weapons. They are the “bewildered herd”.	Feb 25 16:11
MinceR		Feb 25 16:12
schestowitz	http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19900907.htm “Remember, after all, that this is basic liberal democratic theory — I’m not making it up. If you read, say, Walter Lippmann, the dean of American journalism, who is also considered a leading progressive, democratic theorist, his argument is that, for a democracy to function properly, there are two different roles that have to be played: one is the role of what he called the speciali	Feb 25 16:13
schestowitz	zed class — the responsible men, a small minority — and the other is the role of the public, who he described as a “bewildered herd.””	Feb 25 16:13
schestowitz	“The role of the public, then, is to be spectators, not participants; their role is just to watch and occasionally to ratify. The decision making has to be in the hands of the elite. That’s democracy. “	Feb 25 16:13
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dongking	lol novell	Feb 25 16:16
dongking	who the fuck use that shit anyway ?	Feb 25 16:16
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schestowitz	Yahoo To Lose Top Exec < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews… >	Feb 25 16:30
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schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/…	Feb 25 17:11
schestowitz	Head of OSI just mailed me	Feb 25 17:20
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Balrog	what did he say?	Feb 25 18:05
Balrog	(head of OSI)	Feb 25 18:05
schestowitz	probably private.	Feb 25 18:20
Balrog	OK then	Feb 25 18:20
schestowitz	Novell’s Microsoft components are seemingly being elevated at the expense of others: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/2…	Feb 25 18:20
schestowitz	I’m doing a post about OOXML FAIL.	Feb 25 18:20
Balrog	heh	Feb 25 18:20
Balrog	OOSXML is working (in Microsoft’s favor) because people who use office don’t care how they save files	Feb 25 18:21
Balrog	unfortunately, that’s not good for us (the end users)	Feb 25 18:22
schestowitz	It’s never about the users	Feb 25 18:24
schestowitz	Remember what Microsoft says about developers: “they are pawns in the battle”	Feb 25 18:24
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Balrog	yeah :/	Feb 25 18:25
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MinceR	http://abstrusegoose.com/122	Feb 25 18:39
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schestowitz	One of our regular readers appears to have set up a blog: http://myfraudsoft.wordpress…	Feb 25 18:56
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23460/1231/	Feb 25 19:01
schestowitz	India places billions of rupees for first manned space mission < http://www.itwire.com/content/… >	Feb 25 19:04
trmanco	Ballmer: Linux Bigger Competitor than Apple: http://osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_…	Feb 25 19:10
schestowitz	Shuttleowrth obviously didn’t get Stallman’s memo about “cloud” nonsense. “Ubuntu aims to keep free software at the forefront of cloud computing by embracing the API’s of Amazon EC2, and making it easy for anybody to setup their own cloud using entirely open tools. ” https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/u…	Feb 25 19:11
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, seen it and posted to COLA	Feb 25 19:11
schestowitz	This is not new by the way	Feb 25 19:11
trmanco	I missed it	Feb 25 19:11
schestowitz	He has been implying and saying this for eyars	Feb 25 19:11
trmanco	brb	Feb 25 19:12
schestowitz	Linux enables many rivals like Oracle, IBM, Red Hat, Google..	Feb 25 19:12
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balzac	Why does Mark Shuttleworth feel the need to say “cloud” when he could say “cluster” instead?	Feb 25 19:29
balzac	could sounds like a buzz-word, cluster is old terminology that everyone is comfortable with	Feb 25 19:29
balzac	cloud, not could	Feb 25 19:29
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balzac	Stallman’s rant was definitely against SaaS, commonly presented as ‘cloud’-based services. He’s obviously not against clustering, but he’s against giving your data and control to someone else.	Feb 25 19:31
balzac	Sounds like good features to add into Ubuntu, as long as the distro doesn’t become beholden to Amazon, following their technological leadership into the weeds.	Feb 25 19:32
schestowitz	http://www.prdomain.com/companies/A… “He holds 10 United States patents and is a regular contributor to prestigious academic journals and conferences.”	Feb 25 19:33
schestowitz	balzac: did you see the headlines?	Feb 25 19:34
schestowitz	Ubuntu cloud this and that. It’s just buzz BS… marketing and all.	Feb 25 19:34
balzac	yeah	Feb 25 19:35
avuton	fad was more what I was thinking. It’s one of those things that looks really cool to some people until they sit down and view the disadvantages.	Feb 25 19:36
balzac	Maybe Mark Shuttleworth should get together with Tim O’Reilly and the could ride pagasus/unicorns across a web 2.0 rainbow-bridge into cloud-computing heaven.	Feb 25 19:36
schestowitz	The major news today is the UK moving to open source, sorta	Feb 25 19:37
balzac	RMS is always critical of people giving away their control and rights. SaaS is not optimal for maintaining autonomy and privacy.	Feb 25 19:38
schestowitz	avuton: yes, but it also sounds good because of association with heaven.	Feb 25 19:38
schestowitz	I want HELL computing. Bring the pain, you fool !!	Feb 25 19:39
schestowitz	BTW, ORLY and Shuttleowrth are quite close. The former organised the latter’s conference (Ubuntu Live)..	Feb 25 19:40
schestowitz	Just in: Desktops Will Move to the Cloud, VMware Exec Says < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160184/desk… >	Feb 25 19:41
schestowitz	Is this physically possible? Until they pry people’s _desk_top to be put in server rooms, this is just willy-nilly stuff.	Feb 25 19:42
balzac	fluff-head marketing drivel	Feb 25 19:42
balzac	nobody is doing to take away my work station and “put it into their cloud”.	Feb 25 19:43
balzac	any company which aspires to consolidate control over its IT staff in that manner would not work for me.	Feb 25 19:43
balzac	I will accept no administrator.	Feb 25 19:44
balzac	for my personal machine.	Feb 25 19:44
schestowitz	http://ninelivesmediainc.wordpress.com/about/ “The seeds for this business were planted a decade ago, when Amy (sales) and Joe (editorial) rapidly climbed the ranks at Ziff Davis.”	Feb 25 19:45
schestowitz	CMP as well… it’s interesting to see where those writers (Joe Panettieri in this case) come from.	Feb 25 19:46
schestowitz	balzac: they probably intend to pull people’s data onto some datacentres so that it doesn’t reside on people’s HDD. The MI5 would /luv/ it.	Feb 25 19:46
schestowitz	Imagine a state where people just tap the ‘masterputer’ which is accessible to those who watch from above. This was essentially done when companies closed their code and become a de facto standard (e.g. Skype, Windows)	Feb 25 19:48
schestowitz	EXTRA EXTRA… more signs that the news is running out of news: Steve Jobs Turns 54 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16019… >	Feb 25 19:49
schestowitz	http://www.nndb.com/lists/573/000106255/	Feb 25 19:49
balzac	when people without an IT background attempt to be pundits in the IT industry, they write stories from a “human-interest” angle. The debate about proprietary vs free software has no meaning to them, but they know who pays their salaries.	Feb 25 19:50
schestowitz	Nancy Gohring is again doing one of those MS-cuddling ‘articles’: Microsoft Demos INNOVA~1 at Annual TechFest < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160197/m… >. DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1.	Feb 25 19:52
balzac	I guess that’s a bit of a generalization. Some people, not all.	Feb 25 19:52
schestowitz	You have to ask what makes news	Feb 25 19:52
schestowitz	Is it business?	Feb 25 19:52
schestowitz	Entertainment?	Feb 25 19:52
schestowitz	PR[opaganda]?	Feb 25 19:52
schestowitz	Microsoft roots the Mac: “According to Microsoft, once successfully executed the attacker could gain the same user permissions as the local user.” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160205/mi… >	Feb 25 19:53
balzac	Micro-seef	Feb 25 19:56
balzac	seefing off of everyone else’s innovations	Feb 25 19:56
balzac	http://www.urbandictionary.com/def…	Feb 25 19:57
balzac	I guess my use of that word is not with the meaning in the urban dictionary	Feb 25 19:58
balzac	http://www.urbandictionary.co…	Feb 25 19:58
balzac	microsarf	Feb 25 19:58
balzac	A freeloader, someone that mooches your stuff.	Feb 25 19:59
schestowitz	No way.	Feb 25 20:05
schestowitz	They stole the idea of dumpster diving from someone else?	Feb 25 20:05
schestowitz	Or… was it the dumpster diving that /was/ the mooching of someone else’s personal code?	Feb 25 20:06
schestowitz	BillG’s first patent: “A novel method of diving into disposal apparatus in order to obtain novel methods from other persons”	Feb 25 20:07
schestowitz	Cool! : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/stupid-gee…	Feb 25 20:08
schestowitz	Update on today’s Gmail outage < http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/updat… >	Feb 25 20:13
schestowitz	“Microsoft is in deep trouble. With browser-based delivery of applications, their entire cost model is gutted. With costs of distribution, sales, inventory, etc gone or sharply reduced, prices can drop to grab market share, but top-line revenues will also drop.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_…	Feb 25 20:19
schestowitz	Dana Micronhorn is once again feeling the urge to slam a migration to open source, dismissing it as a stunt.. at least his readers knock him down aggressively. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3586	Feb 25 20:22
balzac	Roy, I like that video-to-ascii technology for its efficiency. There’s software to use it for video-conferencing.	Feb 25 20:29
balzac	Matrix-style, and it has a purpose for low-bandwidth video.	Feb 25 20:30
balzac	I need to figure it out so I can blow people’s minds.	Feb 25 20:30
balzac	everyone will be jealous when they see it. Especially Windows and Apple users.	Feb 25 20:31
schestowitz	Dana Micronhorn has become an uber-troll	Feb 25 20:31
balzac	the video-conferencing application	Feb 25 20:31
schestowitz	Post by post he’s attacking good news, spinning them as something negative. Shane on him. ZDNet is FUD Factory	Feb 25 20:31
schestowitz	Yesterday:” Will telcos ever embrace open source?” “Could the Linux Foundation get too big? “	Feb 25 20:32
schestowitz	Better headlines: “Telcos ALREADY use open source massively” Linun Foundation is growing big (which is good)”	Feb 25 20:32
schestowitz	That’s what you get from a supposedly “open source” blog	Feb 25 20:32
schestowitz	I think he’s trying to provoke, but people should just not respond to him. This way, as he warned before, he might need to find another job where he does less harm to something that he does not even use (open source)	Feb 25 20:33
schestowitz	I notice that CNET mentions Shane O’Neill (rants vs Apple). People ought to be aware that all he ever writes is pro-Microsoft pieces and he recently met Ballmer face to face. He seems to have been picked by IDG (‘CIO’) more recently for some kind of MS ‘roadshow’.	Feb 25 20:36
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Balrog	schestowitz: moonlight is in the gentoo port tree. I’m not surprised because there is a lot of proprietary stuff there too	Feb 25 20:40
Balrog	only it’s not forced on us	Feb 25 20:40
schestowitz	I think I heard about it	Feb 25 20:43
schestowitz	It didn’t work well.	Feb 25 20:43
schestowitz	Missing stuff and maybe not just codecs	Feb 25 20:43
*schestowitz really ought to do a quick post about the splendid news about UK +FOSS+ODF		Feb 25 20:47
Balrog	heh	Feb 25 21:03
Balrog	it does make you use ffmpeg	Feb 25 21:03
Balrog	(there’s no option for those proprietary codecs)	Feb 25 21:03
schestowitz	Let’s hope.	Feb 25 21:06
schestowitz	Shane O’Neil is like Microsoft PR in IDG (CIO)… worse than Ina Fried even.	Feb 25 21:09
schestowitz	By the way, Schiendler and others were laid off from IDG… it’s all happening quietly. Some of the CNET writers landed there too. The media goes bonkers.	Feb 25 21:10
schestowitz	On Catalunya MS-EDGI scam: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3…	Feb 25 21:15
schestowitz	WTF is this? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10…	Feb 25 21:17
trmanco	why do people like Ruby so much?	Feb 25 21:19
trmanco	http://github.com/languages	Feb 25 21:19
MinceR	because they don’t know python	Feb 25 21:23
schestowitz	I’ve received mail from Major Microsoft Shill.	Feb 25 21:25
trmanco	MinceR, do you know Python	Feb 25 21:25
MinceR	i do	Feb 25 21:25
schestowitz	He writes..	Feb 25 21:26
schestowitz	“Unfortunately, given your tendancy towards sensationalist ad hominem attacks	Feb 25 21:26
schestowitz		Feb 25 21:26
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/08/asso… <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/08/as…	Feb 25 21:26
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2… <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07…	Feb 25 21:26
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10… “	Feb 25 21:26
trmanco	no matter how much lipstick you put in the code it always looks confusing to me	Feb 25 21:26
balzac	what code?	Feb 25 21:28
trmanco	python	Feb 25 21:28
schestowitz	Python	Feb 25 21:28
balzac	ah	Feb 25 21:28
trmanco	do yo hear the snake?	Feb 25 21:28
balzac	I haven’t done anything in python	Feb 25 21:28
schestowitz	That’s viper	Feb 25 21:29
balzac	but I plan to learn because two great apps I use have python as their scripting language for extensions: GIMP and Blender	Feb 25 21:29
trmanco	I have read, that people who get tired of PHP make their next move to Python	Feb 25 21:29
trmanco	can’t find any php project to contribute to	Feb 25 21:32
schestowitz	WordPress..?	Feb 25 21:33
trmanco	Too hard for now	Feb 25 21:33
trmanco	I don’t have that kind of knowledge to contribute to that	Feb 25 21:34
trmanco	codding ,that is	Feb 25 21:34
trmanco	coding*	Feb 25 21:34
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schestowitz	Watch how Microsoft cripples computers: “Microsoft and Intel have indicated that they plan to take control of how netbooks are sold and configured: killing off Windows XP once and for all is top of the former’s todo list.” http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/02/23/d…	Feb 25 21:41
schestowitz	trmanco: take a plugin and extend it	Feb 25 21:41
balzac	fugg that	Feb 25 21:42
schestowitz	http://www.sciencedaily.com/release…	Feb 25 21:42
balzac	Maybe I’ll buy a $100 netbook with the chinese Longsoon processor	Feb 25 21:42
schestowitz	In the US?	Feb 25 21:42
balzac	not yet	Feb 25 21:42
balzac	it was only vaporware	Feb 25 21:42
schestowitz	The bullies from Intel would bite tooth and nail to keep competition out	Feb 25 21:42
balzac	but it will happen	Feb 25 21:42
schestowitz	Yes, it will.	Feb 25 21:42
trmanco	schestowitz, that is a good idea, now I’ll just have to find a plugin worth forking	Feb 25 21:43
balzac	I want the google gphone	Feb 25 21:43
trmanco	but it won’t be today	Feb 25 21:43
schestowitz	But the criminals (bribes, collusion, etc) from Intel are bullying the Chinese companies.	Feb 25 21:43
balzac	I want to have an internet terminal in my pocket	Feb 25 21:43
balzac	i’m going to buy that little sucker – developer version	Feb 25 21:43
schestowitz	No openmoko?	Feb 25 21:43
balzac	i checked out the keyboard layout and it has most of the keys a programmer would want on a phone	Feb 25 21:44
schestowitz	New: http://opensourcepbx.tmcnet.com/topics/deve… “The reference implementation uses Openmoko’s NeoFreerunner and features advanced touch screen and customizable graphical user interface (GUI). The Ample also offers versatile applications such as a multimedia player and communications tools.”	Feb 25 21:44
balzac	well, I want one of those too, but the gphone has this keyboard	Feb 25 21:44
balzac	the openmoko needs to copy the gphone’s hardware	Feb 25 21:44
balzac	the terminal…	Feb 25 21:44
schestowitz	balzac: you’re gonna love this headline: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4214	Feb 25 21:45
schestowitz	gphone has no hardware	Feb 25 21:45
schestowitz	Android is a set of software	Feb 25 21:45
schestowitz	G1 is one phone among many (h/w+android+tweaks)	Feb 25 21:46
balzac	ok, the G1	Feb 25 21:47
balzac	I like that hardware. I’ve got to have that keyboard. That’s why I’d never buy an iphone.	Feb 25 21:47
balzac	that headline is what the press release should have said on Redhat.com	Feb 25 21:48
MinceR	http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?s…	Feb 25 21:48
MinceR	^ regarding the Big Lie	Feb 25 21:48
schestowitz	Unemployment goes up, traffic congestion goes down < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Seattle_ra… >	Feb 25 21:48
schestowitz	balzac: LOL	Feb 25 21:48
balzac	But I guess CEOs are now afraid to talk trash about M$ because Steve Ballmer will make a point of crushing them.	Feb 25 21:48
MinceR	hm, you could use viper to edit python code :>	Feb 25 21:49
schestowitz	MinceR: kudos to /. for posting something decent for a change	Feb 25 21:50
MinceR	indeed	Feb 25 21:50
schestowitz	“It seems Microsoft doesn’t believe the data from Net Applications ” LOL Microsoft !!PAYS!! Net Applications	Feb 25 21:50
schestowitz	The funny thing is that once a year (at least) Ballmer calls Linux the #1 threat	Feb 25 21:50
schestowitz	Then come the Astrofluffers with links to the MS-sponsored Net FUDlication	Feb 25 21:50
balzac	Don’t be drinking a beverage when you see this cartoon of Steve Ballmer or it might come out your nose: http://dr-ian.livejournal.com/26874.html	Feb 25 21:52
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balzac	http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content… <– Ballmer ducking the eggs in Hungary	Feb 25 21:54
MinceR	i doubt monkey boy is that ripped	Feb 25 21:55
balzac	http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadge…	Feb 25 21:55
balzac	He’s such a funny m__________r	Feb 25 21:55
balzac	MinceR: I doubt it too, which is partly why it’s funny to me.	Feb 25 22:00
schestowitz	MinceR: Asay told me he wants to meet him	Feb 25 22:09
schestowitz	But sheesh… don’t say him name.. we don’t want the malicious entrance..	Feb 25 22:10
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schestowitz	Asay [one hour ago]: “As to meeting Ballmer, I wish I could. Why is that a strike against him?”	Feb 25 22:10
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schestowitz	But it needs context	Feb 25 22:11
schestowitz	I warned him about a mole that’s meeting Ballmer	Feb 25 22:11
MinceR	i’d like to meet him if there was no danger of retribution for killing him.	Feb 25 22:11
MinceR	(ballmer, that is)	Feb 25 22:11
schestowitz	eggs?	Feb 25 22:11
schestowitz	What’s for breakfast?	Feb 25 22:11
schestowitz	Cake! http://geekgaucho.blogspot.com/…	Feb 25 22:13
schestowitz	“the only moment where I smiled after seeing Gates on TV!:”	Feb 25 22:13
schestowitz	“What the [user] is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is DR-DOS and then go out to buy MS-DOS” -Brad Silverberg	Feb 25 22:14
MinceR	it was just a cake :/	Feb 25 22:19
MinceR	it should have been a hand grenade	Feb 25 22:19
MinceR	or it should have had a nice acid flavor	Feb 25 22:20
MinceR	or lye	Feb 25 22:20
Balrog	so now the university wants to use this: http://www.panopto.com/ but it also depends on silverlight and doesn’t work with moonlight (says “please install silverlight”)	Feb 25 22:20
balzac	come on now…	Feb 25 22:20
MinceR	my university sucks too	Feb 25 22:20
balzac	Myself, I wouldn’t even bother to pie Bill Gates.	Feb 25 22:21
Balrog	tjey used WMV before.	Feb 25 22:21
Balrog	http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/…	Feb 25 22:21
balzac	But I’m glad someone did.	Feb 25 22:21
Balrog	thing is, they’re open to FOSS	Feb 25 22:21
Balrog	but it needs to be workable	Feb 25 22:21
balzac	Gates is the arch-villain in the software world, but compared to most politicians, Bill Gates seems like a saint.	Feb 25 22:22
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0…	Feb 25 22:22
MinceR	most politicians deserve death too	Feb 25 22:22
balzac	Compare George Bush and Bill Gates	Feb 25 22:22
MinceR	still, i hate gates more than bush	Feb 25 22:22
MinceR	the damage bush did was mostly localized to the usa	Feb 25 22:23
MinceR	the damage gates did is worldwide	Feb 25 22:23
MinceR	even without people like those we’d still have way too many people on this planet	Feb 25 22:23
balzac	You can make the case for putting Bush on trial for treason, war-crimes, etc. This is a case we should be making, even if that raises the question of whether or not capital punishment should be considered. But this is all about a legal process.	Feb 25 22:23
schestowitz	Bush caused damage in the east as well.	Feb 25 22:23
schestowitz	Damage that’s mortal too	Feb 25 22:24
MinceR	i don’t care much about legal issues, i care about moral issues.	Feb 25 22:24
schestowitz	Or tossing Iraq back from the verge of modern country back ti 3rd world.	Feb 25 22:24
balzac	Gates? He deserves to have his company lose its market-share, to lose a lot of his wealth to fines and settlements, and to have his ego deflated.	Feb 25 22:24
schestowitz	balzac: Bush was already punished for his crime. He had a coupla sandals thrown at him. Very humiliating.,..	Feb 25 22:25
balzac	And perhaps he deserves a light sentence to be spent in a half-way house if investigation reveals law breaking as President of MS.	Feb 25 22:25
MinceR	i doubt that would undo the damage or punish him properly	Feb 25 22:25
schestowitz	And it’s the saint that goes to jail for 15 years.	Feb 25 22:25
balzac	?	Feb 25 22:25
balzac	I suppose it’s sarcasm.	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	balzac: that wouldn’t suffice	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	The Gates family has corruption spread wider	Feb 25 22:26
balzac	Bush could spend centuries, screaming like a tea-kettle in hell, and it probably wouldn’t be enough.	Feb 25 22:26
MinceR	why waste money on feeding gates in prison?	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	People like Abramoff (already in jail), the Ballmers, Kepin, Silverberg, etc.	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	*Kempin	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	There are many criminals there.	Feb 25 22:26
MinceR	he has shown no remorse nor any respect for the freedom of others.	Feb 25 22:26
schestowitz	They are tyrants at hears, but then again, corporations are permitted to do some of these crimes.	Feb 25 22:27
schestowitz	http://opensource.org/node/396 “It turns out that people had been trying to blow the whistle on Bernie Madoff for 10 years, but such whistle-blowing fell on deaf ears, perhaps because the regulators were simply too impressed with Madoff’s self-described success to do their jobs effectively.”	Feb 25 22:27
schestowitz	IOW, all those people who say MS is a fraud are liekly right	Feb 25 22:27
schestowitz	But Microsoft is too busy telling the world that it’s rich	Feb 25 22:27
balzac	Neither Madoff or Gates should go to jail before Bush.	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	It’s said to be another scheme	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	balzac: agreed.	Feb 25 22:28
MinceR	indeed, they should be executed	Feb 25 22:28
balzac	Not one more person should go to prison until Bush goes.	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	Hehe. No.	Feb 25 22:28
balzac	MinceR: that’s too extreme, by a long shot.	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	Jail can be more humiliating.	Feb 25 22:28
MinceR	balzac: what they did wasn’t too extreme?	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	You can also used them to help recording the crimes they committed	Feb 25 22:28
MinceR	can we ever expect them to be non-harmful members of our society?	Feb 25 22:28
balzac	MinceR: your rhetoric isn’t even in the ballpark.	Feb 25 22:28
schestowitz	Make a museum to study how the economy collapsed due to white-collar crime.	Feb 25 22:29
schestowitz	Infinite greed…	Feb 25 22:29
schestowitz	BTW, the economy hasn’t collapsed yet.	Feb 25 22:29
MinceR	normally i oppose death penalty because our justice system isn’t reliable	Feb 25 22:29
schestowitz	You’ll know it happens when the chain reaction of banks collapsing has begun.	Feb 25 22:29
balzac	Mincer, if you think Gates is worse than Bush, I think you ought to recalibrate your moral scale.	Feb 25 22:29
MinceR	but i think gates and his little gang has made an overwhelmingly strong case for themselves.	Feb 25 22:29
MinceR	balzac: why is the chronological order so important to you?	Feb 25 22:30
balzac	Bush is so much more malevolent than Gates. By an order of magnitude.	Feb 25 22:30
schestowitz	balzac: I happen to agree that people like Madoff should get the chair	Feb 25 22:30
balzac	schestowitz: that’s extreme	Feb 25 22:30
schestowitz	I’m amazed at the fact that these huge criminals get house arrest	Feb 25 22:30
MinceR	i’m not that well informed about what bush did	Feb 25 22:30
schestowitz	What kind of a sick society is this?	Feb 25 22:30
MinceR	thankfully i don’t live in the usa	Feb 25 22:30
balzac	Roy, don’t hate the player, hate the game.	Feb 25 22:30
schestowitz	Where people smoke plants and get sent to jail	Feb 25 22:30
schestowitz	While huge FR*ing criminals are treated so gently?	Feb 25 22:31
balzac	Madoff didn’t invent un-regulated capitalism, although he was a pioneer in furthering it.	Feb 25 22:31
schestowitz	That’s because elites respect eleites	Feb 25 22:31
MinceR	schestowitz: the world is run by criminals	Feb 25 22:31
schestowitz	And they treat those at the botom like rubbish	Feb 25 22:31
MinceR	also, it’s human nature	Feb 25 22:31
MinceR	or perhaps indoctrination	Feb 25 22:31
MinceR	people might be simply taught to be evil at an early age	Feb 25 22:31
schestowitz	I bet you so many of the judges are uterly corupt, so they feel guilty sentencing the other big criminals for their deeds.	Feb 25 22:31
schestowitz	*utterly corrupt	Feb 25 22:31
MinceR	they feel guilt?	Feb 25 22:32
MinceR	that’s new	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	Balrog: the game is made by players	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	It’s like saying, don’t like the people, hate the company	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	Companies ARE people	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	The game is RUN by people.	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	People RUN the world	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	Find those who ruin it	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	It’ll make things easier	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	By that logic, why blame Bush?	Feb 25 22:32
schestowitz	Blame the ‘government’	Feb 25 22:32
MinceR	hm, how long was bush in office for?	Feb 25 22:32
balzac	Hand Bush over to the Hague, after he’s convicted of treason.	Feb 25 22:33
schestowitz	Sentence the ‘government’ to jail.	Feb 25 22:33
schestowitz	Send the white house to Guantanamo Bay for torturing	Feb 25 22:33
MinceR	i’m pretty sure gates did his crimes for a longer time period.	Feb 25 22:33
MinceR	can we trust the Hague to convict him?	Feb 25 22:33
MinceR	(bush, that is)	Feb 25 22:33
schestowitz	Heck, sent that lady that’s the statue of liberty for some waterboarding.	Feb 25 22:33
balzac	After that, I wouldn’t object if Gates were found guilty of personally participating in conspiracies to break the law and spent time in prison, but I would want him to be safe, not in danger from violent criminals.	Feb 25 22:33
schestowitz	because, you know… she’s ‘America’	Feb 25 22:33
MinceR	schestowitz: lol	Feb 25 22:33
schestowitz	And it’s America’s fault	Feb 25 22:34
balzac	I don’t think non-violent criminals should be at risk of suffering violence from other inmates.	Feb 25 22:34
balzac	That’s one serious problem with American prisons.	Feb 25 22:34
MinceR	not other inmates, no	Feb 25 22:34
MinceR	gates should suffer violence from an industrial grinder.	Feb 25 22:34
schestowitz	balzac: ask yourself why some people areviolent	Feb 25 22:34
balzac	Actually, the state should be held liable for prisoner’s injuries and deaths and their next of kin should be compensated with millions of dollars whenever people die in state custody.	Feb 25 22:35
schestowitz	When people who are slaves to other can you blame them for protesting in the streets?	Feb 25 22:35
balzac	It shouldn’t ever be allowed to happen.	Feb 25 22:35
schestowitz	That makes little sense when you hear that the /white/ (as in white) collar criminals should get setenced to sofa, coffee, and TC.	Feb 25 22:35
balzac	nor should any type of violation of prisoners rights be acceptable, least of all, rape.	Feb 25 22:36
schestowitz	*TV	Feb 25 22:36
balzac	All prisoners should get sentenced only to what the court orders, but not to the risk of random acts of violence while in custody.	Feb 25 22:36
schestowitz	balzac: who talked about prison violence?	Feb 25 22:36
balzac	I did	Feb 25 22:36
schestowitz	You’re suggesting that ‘poor’ white-collar criminals are unfit to prison.	Feb 25 22:37
balzac	because American prisons are not safe.	Feb 25 22:37
schestowitz	Prisons are for punishment and confinement	Feb 25 22:37
balzac	I don’t see any reason to put violent criminals and white-collar criminals together.	Feb 25 22:37
schestowitz	You can make something like Guatanamo Bay	Feb 25 22:37
schestowitz	Maybe around Alaska where it’s cold	Feb 25 22:37
schestowitz	Or Siberia	Feb 25 22:37
balzac	Yeah, well I’m not a big fan of prisons. I’ll never see the inside of one.	Feb 25 22:38
MinceR	or in the Sun	Feb 25 22:38
schestowitz	Send there the lines of Gates, ballmer, Silverberg, Nathan Mhyrvold, Madoff, Carl Ichan and other criminals chums.	Feb 25 22:38
MinceR	or on the Moon	Feb 25 22:38
MinceR	(no life support though)	Feb 25 22:38
schestowitz	No, no..	Feb 25 22:38
schestowitz	That’s expensive	Feb 25 22:38
schestowitz	Rockets are also harmful to the atrosphere.	Feb 25 22:38
MinceR	at least we won’t have to guard and feed them then	Feb 25 22:38
schestowitz	Enough damage was /already/ done.	Feb 25 22:39
schestowitz	Then you need to ship oxygen for them.	Feb 25 22:39
MinceR	we’re going to need rockets eventually, anyway	Feb 25 22:39
schestowitz	Do you know how much that would cost?	Feb 25 22:39
MinceR	this planet will become uninhabitable in about 5 billion years, iirc	Feb 25 22:39
MinceR		Feb 25 22:39
schestowitz	The planet will be fine, I think	Feb 25 22:40
schestowitz	It’s animals and civilisations that are at risk	Feb 25 22:40
schestowitz	Not bacteria though	Feb 25 22:40
schestowitz	Because men can’t eat becteria so well.	Feb 25 22:40
MinceR	hence “uninhabitable”	Feb 25 22:40
MinceR	the sun will engulf the planet as it turns into a red giant	Feb 25 22:41
schestowitz	5 billion years is a lot of time	Feb 25 22:41
schestowitz	The ‘UNIX clock’ won’t last that long	Feb 25 22:41
MinceR	but not infinite	Feb 25 22:41
MinceR	not even the 64bit one?	Feb 25 22:41
schestowitz	Not even if it’s made 64-bit, AFAIK.	Feb 25 22:41
schestowitz	Beat me to it!	Feb 25 22:41
schestowitz	The Indians are coming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer… >	Feb 25 22:42
schestowitz	It cites the FOSS-hostile shills from Frosted Sullivans[sic]	Feb 25 22:43
schestowitz	Speaking of ‘analysts’…..	Feb 25 22:44
schestowitz	I’ve inquired to see who funds some… but they won’t tell. They are not allowed.	Feb 25 22:45
schestowitz	Shill O’Brian has just used BN to promote .NET	Feb 25 22:46
schestowitz	Yeah.. some ‘FOSS’ people, aren’t they…>?	Feb 25 22:46
schestowitz	They do the same even in Ubuntu turf… criticise mono, be attacked. The threats are not censored as much as suppressed or marginalised. I gave examples with about 10 links in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/mon…	Feb 25 22:47
schestowitz	There are more examples just like this, in other Web sites too. Novell employees (posting from the novell.com domain) are among those posting comments in defense of Mono/Moonlight under boycottnovell. Some of the dissent comes from there, but they use nyms like “Baby in the Bath Water”.	Feb 25 22:47
schestowitz	Novell is making .NET more popular. Shame on Novell. It’s just another Microsoft department now… producing ‘Windows addons’ like netware and some Microsoft plugins for Linux (Mono, Moonlight)	Feb 25 22:48
schestowitz	For that task, they must be inside Linux, so they have SUSE, they have membership in places like Linux Foundation, etc. They gag critics that way.	Feb 25 22:48
balzac	I would like to associate mono (project) with mono (contagious disease) in people’s minds	Feb 25 22:49
schestowitz	I associated it with other things	Feb 25 22:49
MinceR	i’d like to have microsoft and novell closed down.	Feb 25 22:50
schestowitz	I alsol tried to associated Silver s*ite with toilet and vomit.	Feb 25 22:50
schestowitz	RMS was unimpressed	Feb 25 22:50
schestowitz	Gallium3D, EGL Now Buildable On FreeBSD < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… >	Feb 25 22:52
balzac	he’s a rather mellow guy	Feb 25 22:52
MinceR	it must be the week of excel vulnerabilities >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid…	Feb 25 22:56
schestowitz	“Products affected include Office 2000, Office 2002, Office 2003, Office 2007, Office 2004 for Mac, Office 2008 for Mac, and the Open XML File Format Converter for Mac.”	Feb 25 22:57
schestowitz	OOXML+Mac= owned	Feb 25 22:57
MinceR	hm, no, it’s a dupe	Feb 25 22:57
schestowitz	The mixture of binaries	Feb 25 22:57
schestowitz	Thank goodness Microsoft keeps Office away from the hands of unsuspecting users who come to Linux for its “cheapness”	Feb 25 22:58
MinceR	dupes for nerds, stuff that you’ve read already.	Feb 25 22:58
MinceR		Feb 25 22:58
schestowitz	That too.	Feb 25 22:58
schestowitz	I’m surprised many people still read it.	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	Hmm.. Alexa rank 10k	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	BN is 58k and we don’t even attract people with MS+IE+spyware (alexa)	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	BN Netcraft rank= 2300th	Feb 25 22:59
MinceR	well, it still has the occasional juvenile humor.	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	Groklaw is 1400th or so	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	Hehe.	Feb 25 22:59
schestowitz	BN’s Netcraft rank is better than Slashdot’s	Feb 25 23:00
schestowitz	Oh nwait..	Feb 25 23:00
schestowitz	it.slashdot…	Feb 25 23:00
schestowitz	slashdot.org is 484th	Feb 25 23:01
schestowitz	Duke NuK…………. X Server 1.6.0 Has Been Released < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page… >	Feb 25 23:05
*Casperin has quit (Remote closed the connection)		Feb 25 23:23
schestowitz	Adobe Flash gets patch for critical flaw < http://www.computerworlduk.com/manage… >	Feb 25 23:28
schestowitz	“The job vacancies related to Windows continue to fall at scaring speed since December 2008. Meanwhile Linux and Unix vacancies stay similar to past months.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?…	Feb 25 23:32
schestowitz	MS partner: Nortel to cut 3,200 workers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/2… >	Feb 25 23:35
balzac	good news for change in the world of software	Feb 25 23:36
MinceR	gn	Feb 25 23:41
schestowitz	Hehe.. see my comment here: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/24/how-to-win-c…	Feb 25 23:45
balzac	later MinceR	Feb 25 23:45
schestowitz	Getting Consumers to Pay Now for Nukes Later < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8234 >	Feb 25 23:54
schestowitz	“I sometimes wonder if anyone keeps track of how many PR people Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer drives into cardiac arrest.” http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corpor…	Feb 25 23:57

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martin said,

February 26, 2009 at 7:43 am

This TomTom thing is a big deal. You need to write about it!

In the beginning of 2008 TomTom traded at 70 euro per stock on the Dutch stockmarket. Now they are worth 3 euro per stock. Microsoft is hitting hard on a company that is already in the drain. How can TomTom afford to defend themselves after a disaster year like 2008 was for them? Microsoft has got money for sure, and with this economy everyone will be scared to step up against Microsoft. They are using the economic climate to bully the entire industry (remember TomTom is just one company, they used blackmail to extract license fee’s from many companies before this).

Soon MS will monopolize the patent trolling business. I hope people will react to this and create a new better faster light-weight FS sort of like what happened with the GIF -> PNG transition (and which is happening right now with the OGG revolution driven by Wikipedia and Mozilla).