●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 05, 2022 ●● ● Dec 05 [04:04] schestowitz-TR the current pace, how we can process the protein, it'll last maybe 6 months ;-) [04:37] Techrightssec "Tweet not found" [04:38] schestowitz-TR Perhaps the 'gallery' would be the easiest to move next. [04:38] schestowitz-TR back in a few hours [04:38] schestowitz-TR back [04:39] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m [04:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m ) [04:39] schestowitz-TR I have just checked [04:39] schestowitz-TR seems like an issue in nitter [04:40] schestowitz-TR yes it is still there in twitter [04:41] Techrightssec perhaps nitter is being blocked ● Dec 05 [05:21] Techrightssec ack [05:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:39] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:39] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@3f4eq2qd8h8ka.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [07:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:27] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Dec 05 [09:46] schestowitz-TR new topics welcomed [09:46] schestowitz-TR as I set steady pace with everything else [09:52] Techrightssec ack [09:57] schestowitz-TR I liked or like SN [09:57] schestowitz-TR this is morale issue combined with tech dent, which is connected [09:57] schestowitz-TR also, hostile comments and moderation [09:57] schestowitz-TR I saw that killing pleroma and mastodon instance [09:57] schestowitz-TR even joindiaspora [09:57] schestowitz-TR managing a community so t speak (Canonical term, jono microsoft) is though [09:57] schestowitz-TR even the supposed allies sometimes attack you [09:57] schestowitz-TR for no good reason [09:57] schestowitz-TR in the old days, it was your blog, maybe some comments, and pingbacks [09:57] schestowitz-TR social control media can be a warzone [09:58] schestowitz-TR i meant tech debt and "tough", not "though" [09:58] schestowitz-TR sometimes I think jono is not evil, but has several people to feed, so he was pressured to sell out [09:58] schestowitz-TR he hadn't been a sellout all along ● Dec 05 [10:00] Techrightssec I'm not so sure about jono, he was never good for the community not even at [10:00] Techrightssec the beginning. Rather than being a liaison with the community he yelled at it [10:00] Techrightssec from on high about how it was going to be and that people should like that or [10:00] Techrightssec leave [10:01] schestowitz-TR if you can find a passage connection the french hospital to dll or some ransom name of windows or... [10:01] schestowitz-TR let me know [10:01] schestowitz-TR then I can do a video, highlighting our 2020 series on windows at hospitals [10:02] schestowitz-TR in 2020 we used a whistleblower [10:06] schestowitz-TR it is even riskier in this profession as you might lose the right to operate, or have a licnce revoked [10:06] Techrightssec https://www.france24.com/en/france/20221205-french-hospital-suspends-operations-after-cyber-attacks [10:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | French hospital suspends operations after cyber attacks [10:09] schestowitz-TR any direct allusion to windows/msft? [10:09] schestowitz-TR of course jim zemlinw on't use this to promote linux [10:09] schestowitz-TR he will say that's like kicking a puppey and linus has sexuricty issues x, y, and z [10:09] schestowitz-TR based on microsoft, snyk etc. [10:09] schestowitz-TR they now keep saying "supply chain" [10:09] schestowitz-TR which is new FUD [10:10] schestowitz-TR it basically says, [10:10] schestowitz-TR some idiot in russia can craft malicious new version [10:10] schestowitz-TR hence FOSS bad [10:10] schestowitz-TR of course a mirosoft programmer could do the same [10:10] schestowitz-TR so they just change the story [10:10] schestowitz-TR and still no discussion about state-mandated back doors [10:10] schestowitz-TR is THAT not a "spply chain" issue? [10:10] Techrightssec only the ransom part, given that there are not in practice ransomware incidents [10:10] Techrightssec affecting non-Windows systems. [10:10] Techrightssec Of course. [10:10] Techrightssec And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too. [10:11] Techrightssec The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago? [10:12] schestowitz-TR iirc, the italian army also... turkey... not sure about germany's [10:12] Techrightssec https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm [10:12] Techrightssec https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber-incident-a-20591 [10:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.insurancejournal.com | Cyber Attackers Cripple IT Systems of Prominent Indian Hospital [10:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Brooklyn Hospitals Decried for Silence on Cyber Incident [10:15] schestowitz And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too. [10:15] schestowitz old: https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe [10:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe ) [10:15] schestowitz r-attack-as-hackers-lower-ransom-demand [10:15] schestowitz The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago? [10:15] schestowitz https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm [10:15] schestowitz https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber [10:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber ) [10:15] schestowitz -incident-a-20591 [10:15] schestowitz microsofters have been covering up and denying the existence of their [10:15] schestowitz catastrophic breaches [10:15] schestowitz for decades already. [10:20] schestowitz they cover up the full extend of the issue [10:20] schestowitz i volunteered for mri scan ages ago in a local hospital [10:20] schestowitz for a korean colleague's research [10:20] schestowitz had to come again another day as windows or something had severe issues [10:20] schestowitz and there was something else I forgot to say [10:20] schestowitz it was something about covering up [10:20] schestowitz but my machine froze [10:26] schestowitz ah, ok, I REMEMBER NOW :-) [10:26] schestowitz I was gonng ask, did you watch the latest video from John? [10:26] schestowitz I pasttd a link [10:26] schestowitz there is new research in germany that can help explain those excess deaths [10:26] schestowitz but seems like there's a "hea;lth" cover-up of sorts [10:26] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:26] schestowitz no questions allowed [10:28] *acer-box__ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [10:30] schestowitz brb, say nothing [10:30] schestowitz must reboot [10:31] schestowitz " [10:31] schestowitz https://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/ransomware-victims-avoid-calling-ransomware-i-5191 [10:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.govinfosecurity.com | Why Ransomware Victims Avoid Calling It 'Ransomware' [10:31] schestowitz no, I generally don't watch his videos [10:31] schestowitz I tend to focus on finding a narrow range of tech oriented ones as it's just [10:31] schestowitz too slow a means of information transfer. Younger people might go for that [10:31] schestowitz since they can't read easily. [10:31] schestowitz (generally) [10:31] schestowitz https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hackers-cripple-prestigious-indian-hospital-105917138.html [10:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | Hackers Cripple Prestigious Indian Hospitals IT Systems [10:31] schestowitz " [10:33] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *208BKB8GZ (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:34] *Techrightssec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:34] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:34] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] *libertybox_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:35] *Roy-Techrights5 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:35] *ts2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:35] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:35] *libertybox__ (~schestowitz_log@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)) [10:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-sc8chl.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (Z-lined) [10:35] *208BKB8GZ has quit (Z-lined) [10:35] *Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [10:35] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:51] schestowitz-TR mchine needed a reboot [10:51] schestowitz-TR not the main box [10:51] schestowitz-TR it's "cecil" [10:51] libertybox__ ? [10:52] *libertybox__ is now known as techrightssec2 [10:52] techrightssec2 ack ● Dec 05 [11:03] schestowitz-TR that works with techrighs [11:03] schestowitz-TR but its reach/audience isn't the same as "mainstream" [11:04] techrightssec2 Look at the mainstream articles from 20+ years ago. Newyork Times, Wired, PCMagazine, and so on would all be ban [11:04] techrightssec2 ned from "Reddddit" for "bashing" poor widdle [11:04] techrightssec2 microsoft [11:04] techrightssec2 if those same articles were to be posted in 2022. [11:05] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [11:05] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [11:05] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [11:06] schestowitz-TR you know what? [11:06] schestowitz-TR if you come to think about it, [11:06] schestowitz-TR when did you last wake up expecting that CNN or NYTime or... ANYTHING [11:07] schestowitz-TR would cover some gnu/linux story? [11:07] schestowitz-TR now the BS they push is clickbait and trump saying something "constitution" [11:07] schestowitz-TR they narrowed down the scope to ways to divide the populace [11:07] schestowitz-TR which I guess is very much needed by the ruling class atm [11:11] techrightssec2 [11:11] techrightssec2 Honestly? I would have to say just over 20 years ago. [11:11] techrightssec2 NPR used to have a technology policy magazine called the Todd Mundt show [11:11] techrightssec2 Wired used to cover technology policy as well. Bill passed a lot of money to [11:11] techrightssec2 NPR and PBS to ensure that stopped in general and all things tech-related [11:11] techrightssec2 are not given *any* scrutiny. [11:11] techrightssec2 On a tangent to that, you saw the recent EFF statement on patent trolls aka [11:11] techrightssec2 non-practicing entities. That at least one person at the EFF is returning [11:11] techrightssec2 to the topic even peripherally is a bit of hope for the otherwise defunct [11:11] techrightssec2 organization. Pieter had always advocated for abandoning and replacing [11:11] techrightssec2 such institutions but if the problem is not corruption then the EFF /might/ [11:11] techrightssec2 still be salvageable. [11:11] techrightssec2 Yes there are many ways to have the 99% fight each other, race is a main one [11:11] techrightssec2 and has been whipped up to a frenzied state in recent years. [11:13] *libertybox is now known as schestowitz-tr3 [11:15] mjg59_ An interesting question is what race the people talking about race being a whipped up topic in recent years are [11:19] schestowitz-TR i think you are missing the point [11:19] schestowitz-TR so I will bite [11:19] schestowitz-TR there are several struggles [11:19] schestowitz-TR most of them shares across races [11:20] schestowitz-TR but then there's the "colour" angle [11:20] schestowitz-TR the pro- and anti-police [11:20] schestowitz-TR but the mainstream media evades sufficient discussion about class [11:20] schestowitz-TR the last thing they want is people united in the streets marching to bevery hills [11:20] schestowitz-TR *ly [11:24] mjg59_ How many non-white people are making that argument? [11:25] mjg59_ I've heard the argument that discussion of race is a distraction from discussion of "class" a lot [11:25] mjg59_ But everyone I've heard that argument from is white [11:28] schestowitz-TR you prove my point [11:29] schestowitz-TR by dividing it based on race [11:29] schestowitz-TR many do the same [11:29] schestowitz-TR "only blacks..." [11:29] schestowitz-TR "only whites..." [11:29] schestowitz-TR "it's usually the irish" [11:29] schestowitz-TR "muslims are, arabs are, jew are." [11:30] mjg59_ If an argument is real, should it not be expressed by every race that's affected by it? [11:30] schestowitz-TR all are affetcted by it [11:30] schestowitz-TR myself included [11:30] mjg59_ So where are those arguments? [11:31] schestowitz-TR links I post [11:31] schestowitz-TR lots of class issues [11:31] mjg59_ Where are the Black people talking about how the problem is classism, not racism? [11:32] schestowitz-TR both are issues [11:33] mjg59_ I agree that both are issues [11:33] mjg59_ But which is more important? [11:33] mjg59_ Which contributes more to the problems we have? [11:35] schestowitz-TR look at why daemonfc dislikes you [11:35] mjg59_ That's not really an answer [11:35] schestowitz-TR he sees you as someone who talks down issues like his [11:36] schestowitz-TR and instead work for corporations that contribute to the problem [11:36] mjg59_ You're not answering the question here [11:36] schestowitz-TR the number one issue is deatha nd hunnger [11:36] schestowitz-TR those are connected to climate and other aspects [11:36] schestowitz-TR equality would increase access to food and health [11:37] schestowitz-TR and the aspect of it that is racism is not big [11:37] schestowitz-TR tribalism etc. [11:37] schestowitz-TR natural resources get hoarded [11:37] schestowitz-TR that's a class issue [11:37] mjg59_ What's your evidence for the aspect of it that is racism not being big? [11:38] schestowitz-TR relatively smaller [11:38] mjg59_ Evidence [11:38] schestowitz-TR that's like saying transphobia is the main issue [11:38] schestowitz-TR when very few trans people exist [11:38] mjg59_ Where's the evidence [11:38] schestowitz-TR but almost all suffer from poverty [11:38] schestowitz-TR on a global scale [11:38] schestowitz-TR not local [11:38] mjg59_ You say that racism is not big, but you provide no evidence [11:38] schestowitz-TR by our standards, maybe 3 quarters of the world are poor [11:39] mjg59_ Roy please provide the evidence for your claim [11:39] schestowitz-TR racism is about genetics [11:39] schestowitz-TR you hav a phd in the area [11:39] schestowitz-TR all people vary genetically [11:39] schestowitz-TR it's a distraction [11:39] schestowitz-TR in africa people area racist\ [11:39] mjg59_ Yeah I'm aware that racism is a social construct rather than a genetic one [11:39] schestowitz-TR in india people area racist\ [11:39] schestowitz-TR in chinapeople area racist\ [11:39] mjg59_ So please provide the evidence that racism is not an issue here [11:39] schestowitz-TR china had to pass laws to curb that [11:39] schestowitz-TR racism is often poor people making excuses [11:40] mjg59_ You seem to be saying that racism matters despite previously saying it wasn't important [11:40] schestowitz-TR to get back resources they need [11:40] schestowitz-TR because they cannot co-exist when they cannot get hear and eat [11:40] schestowitz-TR so they compete [11:40] schestowitz-TR and join people who loom alike [11:40] schestowitz-TR kinship [11:40] schestowitz-TR *look [11:40] mjg59_ Still not seeing evidence [11:40] schestowitz-TR if people get better live, they don't get as racist [11:40] schestowitz-TR *lives [11:41] mjg59_ Provide the evidence for that [11:41] schestowitz-TR poorer societies resort to ethnic clashes [11:41] schestowitz-TR like in rwanda [11:41] mjg59_ The US is not poor, and yet racism happens [11:41] schestowitz-TR it's common knowledge [11:41] schestowitz-TR but anyway, I have other things to do [11:41] mjg59_ So point at the evidence [11:41] schestowitz-TR US has a lot of poverty [11:41] mjg59_ It does! So does everywhere! [11:41] schestowitz-TR many rich people, many very rich people [11:42] mjg59_ Singapore is very rich on average, but has a lot of racism [11:42] schestowitz-TR singapore is pore (poor) [11:42] schestowitz-TR many rich people [11:42] mjg59_ If the imporant thing were economic disparity, we should see that countries with less economic disparity had less racism [11:42] schestowitz-TR banksters [11:42] schestowitz-TR and many living in terrible condition [11:43] schestowitz-TR like paying rnt for a mere room [11:43] mjg59_ So which countries with less economic disparity have less racism? [11:43] mjg59_ Easy question [11:43] mjg59_ What is the least racist country [11:43] schestowitz-TR denmark [11:43] mjg59_ Ha ha no [11:43] schestowitz-TR not answering the second [11:43] schestowitz-TR but the earlir line in IRC [11:43] schestowitz-TR denmark is having issues with islam [11:43] schestowitz-TR but that's a relatively new one [11:43] schestowitz-TR sweden also [11:44] schestowitz-TR historically they were welcoming [11:44] mjg59_ What does Islam have to do with economics? [11:45] schestowitz-TR you mentioned racism [11:45] schestowitz-TR denmark = rich country [11:45] mjg59_ Racist rich country [11:46] mjg59_ To the extent that the Council of Europe issued a report criticising their racism [11:47] mjg59_ So how is that an economic problem [11:47] mjg59_ Rather than a racist one [11:47] schestowitz-TR islam is not a race [11:47] mjg59_ Hey [11:47] mjg59_ Look [11:47] schestowitz-TR it is perceived to be a problem there for other reasons [11:47] schestowitz-TR like lack of integration [11:47] mjg59_ Islamophobia is a proxy for anti-Arab racism [11:47] schestowitz-TR if poles come over to denmark and contribute to the "norms", danes would be cool with it [11:48] schestowitz-TR Brits maybe not as much [11:48] mjg59_ In the same way that the Northern Irish conflict isn't about religion [11:48] schestowitz-TR esp. as now there is more competition with Pole [11:48] schestowitz-TR *Poles [11:48] mjg59_ Danish Islamophobia isn't about religion [11:48] schestowitz-TR and people rushed to blame "EU" [11:48] schestowitz-TR then voted brexit [11:49] schestowitz-TR Arab Christians have historically integrated better [11:49] schestowitz-TR no matter the race [11:49] schestowitz-TR the religion does not make it taboo for them to assimilate or integrate [11:49] schestowitz-TR techrightssec2: [11:49] schestowitz-TR truthout is still iging blank titles [11:49] schestowitz-TR for now I grab them manually and add them in [11:49] schestowitz-TR but maybe a little perl tweak can cope with their latest change [11:50] mjg59_ What prevents Denmark from assimilating Muslim immigrants? [11:50] techrightssec2 yuomypo [11:50] techrightssec2 can you show a URL from Truthout which is not reading the title correctly? [11:50] techrightssec2 The feed I have and the script I have seem to be getting the titles here. [11:50] techrightssec2 I see the problme over on tr-new. Checking [11:50] techrightssec2 Fixed [11:50] techrightssec2 Should be ok in tomorrow's batch [11:50] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: not justifying them or anything... but [11:51] schestowitz-TR from what I can gather, they do try [11:51] schestowitz-TR but are met with reluctance [11:51] schestowitz-TR indians have historically assimilated better [11:51] schestowitz-TR hindus [11:52] schestowitz-TR their religion does not embolden them to keep the others at bay [11:52] schestowitz-TR so you can envision indians speaking danish and acting like the local [11:53] mjg59_ Framing Indians as Hindus is already pretty fucked up [11:53] schestowitz-TR check their % [11:53] schestowitz-TR wikipedia says 80% [11:53] mjg59_ It's a meaningful percentage but describing a population that way is incorrect [11:54] schestowitz-TR 0.2% unaffiliated [11:54] schestowitz-TR as in nonreligious [11:54] mjg59_ It's like saying Irish people are Catholic [11:54] schestowitz-TR my image of Danes is not positive [11:54] schestowitz-TR based on ones I met [11:54] schestowitz-TR or dated [11:55] schestowitz-TR they can be quite conceited [11:55] mjg59_ There's a large Muslim population in India and they've been subject to a lot of violence [11:55] schestowitz-TR but that's not the same as racism [11:56] mjg59_ That's conextual ● Dec 05 [12:26] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-05n.tsu.cidvn4.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [13:32] schestowitz-TR GREAT NEWS [13:32] schestowitz-TR UPC DELAYED [13:32] schestowitz-TR AGAIN! [13:32] schestowitz-TR \ [13:33] techrightssec2 Is there a formal statement? Ideally the announcement should be accompmanied [13:33] techrightssec2 by the acknowledgement that the UPC is and will remain quite dead and [13:33] techrightssec2 revibval should not be attempted yet again. [13:33] schestowitz-TR \ [13:33] schestowitz-TR it's like the US bills [13:33] schestowitz-TR they keep coming back [13:33] schestowitz-TR never "officially" dying [13:35] schestowitz-TR remember STRONGER Patent Act? [13:35] schestowitz-TR been attempted for 5 years [13:35] schestowitz-TR afaik, no headway [13:35] schestowitz-TR tons spet on "lobbying' [13:35] techrightssec2 ack [13:37] schestowitz-TR regarding latest upc scandal [13:37] schestowitz-TR in gemini stats I noticed many people still access these month-old posts [13:37] schestowitz-TR I hope that played a role [13:37] schestowitz-TR but don't know the details yet [13:37] schestowitz-TR it's verbal [13:37] schestowitz-TR also, the journalists I spoke to write stuff [13:37] schestowitz-TR that I've not seen [13:39] techrightssec2 I hope that the Gemini material has been useful and influential. [13:39] techrightssec2 Will the journalists forward their drafts prior to publishing or at least [13:39] techrightssec2 after publishing? [13:39] schestowitz-TR i did not ask for that [13:47] techrightssec2 With newspapers at least it is common, especially if being quoted, for one [13:47] techrightssec2 to ask to review the draft for accuracy prior to publishing. [13:48] schestowitz-TR you are thinking of the golden era of journalism [13:48] schestowitz-TR without very tight deadline and budget [13:52] schestowitz-TR i am writing about upc atm [13:53] techrightssec2 No, they had very tight deadlines but it was still customary to ask for that [13:53] techrightssec2 but they won't do it unless you do ask. Though I have to say that if one [13:53] techrightssec2 is publishing an article one was asked to write it would be a dick move to [13:53] techrightssec2 not even show a galley proof first. But that's not the case here. [13:53] techrightssec2 The deadlines in the old days may have even been shorter, it's just that there [13:53] techrightssec2 was a delay. [13:53] techrightssec2 ack [13:56] schestowitz > We should find one member state (my exprience is that it is way easier [13:56] schestowitz > to lobby politiciens/governments at home, for ex Belgium is a small [13:56] schestowitz > country) to file a complaint based on tfeu259 andviolation of teu19.1 [13:56] schestowitz > (national courts are guardians of EU Law) and tfeu267 (deprive national [13:56] schestowitz > courts from interprtent EU Law). [13:56] schestowitz > [13:56] schestowitz > Poland and Hungary are the obvious candidates on the list, as Czech [13:56] schestowitz > Republic (pirates in gov). [13:56] schestowitz > [13:56] schestowitz > Now our famous polish hacker Jan Macek moved to Philippines... [13:56] schestowitz > [13:56] schestowitz > It is just a matter of informing them i believe, especually if you [13:56] schestowitz > expose the German Const Court denial of escalating EU Law problems to [13:56] schestowitz > the CJEU. [13:58] schestowitz Just for IRC for now... don't want to give the legal strategy ahead of time. "Thanks, I plan to follow up the above. Do anything you can on your side." [13:58] schestowitz There is a lot of coordination behind the scenes, but we live far apart. ● Dec 05 [14:01] schestowitz It would help to point to some official EU documentation to that effect. Have you a URL showing the details from the earlier mail? [14:01] schestowitz 1a) it strictly requires the UK signing (but it cannot because it left the EU) [14:01] schestowitz 1b) it causes various constitutional issues, some of which confirmed by courts already [14:01] schestowitz 1c) there was no legitimate economic analysis; it was fabricated a long time ago and those who perpetrated this fraud even said they refuse to allow [14:01] schestowitz >>> Which one or two constitutional issues are more problematic? The [14:01] schestowitz >>> European Parliament has a committee dedicated specifically to [14:01] schestowitz >>> constitutional matters so this might be relevant to bring to them. [14:01] schestowitz >> [14:01] schestowitz >> Hungary took this to court. It was ruled unconstitutional. [14:01] schestowitz > Can you forward the link, in English, to that court decision? [14:01] schestowitz I am going to research all the original links (maybe not English) fro the next part. [14:01] schestowitz Patrick might even ask for some links of that kind (I'm waiting). [14:01] schestowitz to make a quick response to Patrick later will help a lot. [14:04] schestowitz [09:47] (you should contact your mep, I will contact breyer as a german) [14:04] schestowitz "I am writing to you as a longtime observer of the UPC and also as a German citizen (albeit residing in the UK)." [14:07] schestowitz ------------ [14:07] schestowitz > Hi Roy, [14:07] schestowitz > thanks for your trust. Since I am short on time, is there something you think I can do to follow up? [14:07] schestowitz > Best regards [14:07] schestowitz Hi, [14:07] schestowitz Thanks for getting back to me. [14:07] schestowitz There is no urgency, but estimates say Germany might officially ratify in December or even November. [14:07] schestowitz Do you want me to share some links on this matter? I understand you're short on time. [14:07] schestowitz Regards, [14:07] schestowitz > Hi Roy, [14:07] schestowitz > as I said I would need a suggestion on how to proceed. [14:07] schestowitz > Best regards [14:07] schestowitz > xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [14:07] schestowitz I suggest submitting another question to the Commission. This one about: [14:07] schestowitz "how come you allow the announcement of an EU court staff for a court that neither exists nor can legally and constitutionally exist?" [14:07] schestowitz He (probably Breton, Battistelli's close friend) will run away from your question like he did the last time. [14:07] schestowitz (There are other questions, but I don't want to over-encumber anyone) [14:07] schestowitz Regards, [14:07] schestowitz > Hi Roy, [14:08] schestowitz > I'm also afraid the reply would be useless, so I'll spare myself the bother. Hope you understand. [14:08] schestowitz > Best regards [14:08] schestowitz Yes, I understand entirely. [14:08] schestowitz Thanks for what you've done so far. [14:08] schestowitz Potentially of interest, last night: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/ [14:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog [14:08] schestowitz Regards, [14:09] schestowitz Old: [14:09] schestowitz I found a gem, in 2011 someone predicted the CJEU 2018 removal of intra-EU investment courts (ISDS) after opinion 1/09. [14:09] schestowitz If you follow UPC news, they just adopted the RoP in their little secret meetings. [14:09] schestowitz Germany should ratify in October. [14:09] schestowitz I am checking whether we could file a second complaint before the deadline of 1y after publication, which is 12 August. [14:09] schestowitz And sue Germany to CJEU if they don't want to deal with the issue, which they already said they only do if there are problems with fundamental rights and EU Law. [14:14] schestowitz >> Someone suggested to find a country to file a complaint other [14:14] schestowitz > countries [14:14] schestowitz >> based on the violation of the treaties. [14:14] schestowitz >> [14:14] schestowitz >> The problem is that we saw the 'common court' lie only now, there [14:14] schestowitz > was a [14:14] schestowitz >> window of 2 months to attack it in 2015. [14:14] schestowitz >> [14:14] schestowitz >> I am not sure a country can still challenge it outsider of that [14:14] schestowitz > window. [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > Seems like that gives us more time to come up with something? [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > All the countries that did not ratify are an obvious candidate. [14:14] schestowitz > Poland does not like Germany, which is driving this project. [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > The problem is that a country could not easily accuse the others of [14:14] schestowitz > violating EU law, since EU law (Brussels1 regulation falsely saying [14:14] schestowitz > it is a common court) is in force since 2015. [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > At least we have to try and ask and have a debate (even here in [14:14] schestowitz > Belgium which used many times the 218tfeu to ask the CJEU on [14:14] schestowitz > compatibility of international treaties with the EU treaties, such as [14:14] schestowitz > CETA or EnergyCharter). [14:14] schestowitz > [14:14] schestowitz > At the end of the day, we need to convince one gov, and Poland is an [14:14] schestowitz > obvious one, since Karlsruhe blocked a question about TEU19, which [14:15] schestowitz > is the article Poland is being sued on. [14:15] schestowitz Let us know how Techrights can help such an outcome. [14:15] schestowitz I've not been keeping track of UPC lately, we focus a lot on other important topic and do development work. [14:15] schestowitz Keep fighting, even if it's tiring. [14:15] schestowitz > One way is to try to cancel the Brussels1 regulation, which wrongly says the UPC is a common court. [14:15] schestowitz > The question is whether we could go to a national court, and ask them to escalate to CJEU, or do we have to wait that UPC is running. [14:15] schestowitz-TR using irc logs to share some more ingo [14:15] schestowitz-TR *info [14:15] schestowitz-TR not secret [14:15] schestowitz-TR but not to be shows to team upc at this point [14:15] schestowitz-TR as it can help them against the strategy [14:19] schestowitz [06:48] > If you have time, i asked David Martin (who predicted the 2008 crash at [14:19] schestowitz [06:48] > eupaco in 2007) where he said that Germany is Always protecting the EPO, [14:19] schestowitz [06:48] > he said there is a record in 2003 with the danish prsidency. I asked [14:19] schestowitz [06:48] > him for a link, still no reply. [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > I suspect Karlsruhe to also protect the patent system, that's why their [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > decisions are 'political'. [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > Now it's pretty clear Karlsruhe found an excuse not to escalate to CJEU, [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > because the lobby behind controls the ministry of justice and want the [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > UPC desperately into force. [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > We have received other troubling news, that i cannot share for the [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] > moment with you, but December is gonna be critical. [14:20] schestowitz [06:48] OK, so the help you need is more coverage of UPC? [14:23] techrightssec2 Then why is it in IRC :/ [14:24] schestowitz-TR inner circle [14:24] schestowitz-TR but not broad daylight [14:24] schestowitz-TR added a draft just now [14:24] schestowitz-TR re upc [14:24] schestowitz-TR does not give away strategy ● Dec 05 [18:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zjrgyqg64hzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 05 [23:54] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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