●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, June 03, 2023 ●● ● Jun 03 [00:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [00:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [02:23] schestowitz[TR] -------- Forwarded Message -------- [02:23] schestowitz[TR] Subject: Github Copilot lawsuit [02:23] schestowitz[TR] Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:08:20 +0900 (JST) [02:23] schestowitz[TR] From: Akira Urushibata [02:23] schestowitz[TR] To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [02:23] schestowitz[TR] References; <2023.02.16.06.17.13.131492001@afu.wta.att.ne.jp>, [02:23] schestowitz[TR] , [02:23] schestowitz[TR] , [02:23] schestowitz[TR] <2023.02.19.09.06.07.127534277@afu.wta.att.ne.jp> [02:23] schestowitz[TR] In February I posted a message to this list concerning generative AI [02:23] schestowitz[TR] systems known to be trained with commonly available free software [02:23] schestowitz[TR] source providing computer code. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] libreplanet-discuss (thread) Feb 2023 [02:23] schestowitz[TR] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2023-02/threads.html [02:23] schestowitz[TR] I was not aware that a few months before, in November 2022, a group of [02:23] schestowitz[TR] programmers had filed a suit against Github, Microsoft and OpenAI, [02:23] schestowitz[TR] claiming that Github was violating their stated terms of service and [02:23] schestowitz[TR] the generative AI system was illegally removing copyright license [02:23] schestowitz[TR] notices. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] The defendants desired to have the case dismissed. They argued that [02:23] schestowitz[TR] the source code remains available; their current practice does not [02:23] schestowitz[TR] forfeit anything from the plaintiffs. The presiding judge has decided [02:23] schestowitz[TR] that the plaintiffs have sufficient ground for the case to be accepted. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] Key points brought forth by them will at least be heard. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] The defendants are aware that their system produces output with [02:23] schestowitz[TR] copyright license notices removed. Those who don't see the license [02:23] schestowitz[TR] notice are not going to respect the terms. This will provide [02:23] schestowitz[TR] opportunities to exploit free software in ways that the original [02:23] schestowitz[TR] authors would have never anticipated. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] This is a case free software authors and users should pay attention to. [02:23] schestowitz[TR] I believe the FSF should make an official statement now or at some point [02:23] schestowitz[TR] in the near future. [02:23] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.gnu.org | libreplanet-discuss (thread) ● Jun 03 [03:29] schestowitz[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/11/survey-have-you-been-able-to-access.html?showComment=1685633770529#c5665350780952111267 "The system is up and tested in a Gamma - Version by German users. It changes permanently and does not work with all browsers said to be working. i have been lucky to get a good help by d-trust, who helped me through the not self explainatory procedure to become an authenticated user and then to open CMS with [03:29] schestowitz[TR] Edge. No other browser worked. Today it is only Chrome that works satisfactorily. And I still get errors when trying to lodge documents ( I am working with a Mandate). I think it would be nice to send UPC an invoice for the work we have to make it work. We need a stable system and not a developing program. I checked this with other German European Patent ATtorneys - they are all very disappointed." [03:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Survey] Have you been able to access the UPC's Case Management System via strong authentication? - The IPKat [03:30] schestowitz[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/05/us-supreme-court-decision-in-amgen-v.html?showComment=1685608171885#c154316961890392309 [03:30] schestowitz[TR] "We're now going through an era where patent offices and patent courts are no longer blinded by the science in biotech case, so we're going to get much more considered decisions such as this resetting the boundaries on what is patentable in key biotech fields. We've already seen how much more difficult it is to refer to homologues defined by percentage identity for DNA and protein cases, and now it's time for the antibody field to a [03:30] schestowitz[TR] lso be brought into line in terms of what is fair in the field. Where different parties are targetting the same protein with antibodies it's only fair everyone only gets claims to their own antibodies and not go beyond that. That reflects the R&D reality, and this is a very good decision from the Supreme Court which will help the field immensely" [03:30] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | US Supreme Court decision in Amgen v Sanofi: The European Perspective - The IPKat [03:31] schestowitz[TR] http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/05/inauguration-of-unified-patent-court.html?showComment=1685542404866#c4436180352813160845 [03:31] schestowitz[TR] EPO has a good overview: https://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponot.nsf/0/FCE7ECF7D75918FDC125836800583391/$File/the_jurisdiction_of_european_courts_in_patent_disputes_en.pdf [03:31] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Inauguration of Unified Patent Court held today in Luxembourg - The IPKat [03:31] schestowitz[TR] "Solely the national tribunals are competent to decide infringement." That's since Brussels/Lugano Convention/Brussels I regulation not the case anymore...." ● Jun 03 [08:19] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@qy2y59ha8m3v6.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Jun 03 [09:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [10:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:24] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ygb5772n598y6.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [12:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [12:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [12:33] schestowitz[TR] Re: OpenSource.com shut down [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > Hi Dr Schestowitz, [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > Thank you for your articles at TechRights.org. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] You're welcome. We try to cover "difficult" topics others do not. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > To confirm what you already know about the suspension of OpenSource.com, [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > for the past several years I've contributed a few articles to them each [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > year. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > When I submitted my most recent article, I received a message saying in [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > part -- [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > /"...The [Red Hat] Digital Communities sites are rich repositories read [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > by hundreds of/ [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > /thousands of people, which is why we are keeping the sites (and content)/ [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > /online, but will not be publishing new articles on them. If you've [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > drafted/ [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > /something for publication on one of our community sites, we encourage you/ [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > /to publish that content elsewhere."/ [12:33] schestowitz[TR] So it sounds like they at least plan to keep the current "catalogue" online, but how long for? With sites that lack activity the incentive is reduced as a function of time, due to various factors. Age deranks pages, sometimes delists them. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > I responded to them that OpenSource.com is a very valuable piece of [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > internet real estate, but that this value would decline drastically if [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > new articles did not occasionally appear. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] Similar problem with OpenSource.org and Linux.com. They were taken over by (covertly) hostile voices. Linux.org is barely active, but not covertly hostile. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > Not surprisingly, I received no reply to this "sage advice." [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > If you know any widely read tech websites that would appreciate the [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > occasional linux techie article, please let me know. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] TechRights and TuxMachines probably have lower reach than OpenSource.com, but they're still big and eager to publish for you. [12:33] schestowitz[TR] > Cheers and thank you, [12:33] schestowitz[TR] You too. ● Jun 03 [14:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [14:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [14:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [14:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 03 [15:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [15:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes