●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 ●● ● Dec 15 [00:39] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 15 [02:04] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/#comments [02:04] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | ViCo for Oral Proceedings at the EPO CIPAs view - Kluwer Patent Blog [02:04] schestowitz " [02:04] schestowitz Dear Mr Gillespie, [02:04] schestowitz If it was really a worry for CIPA to attempt avoiding problems relating to visa and/or work permit arrangements for travelling from the UK to the Schengen Area, it could have said so. [02:04] schestowitz If there would have been a worry of this kind, this worry is whatsoever not justified. Just have a look at Art 134, especially Art 134(6 and 8). According to Art 134(6) members of the epi are even entitled to establish a place of business in any Contracting State in which proceedings established by this Convention may be conducted! That is in The Netherlands and in Germany. I know of one London firm of patent attorneys which established [02:04] schestowitz a branch in Munich as early as in 1980! [02:04] schestowitz Qualified representatives from non-EU contracting states are or have been regularly present at OP in person before the pandemic, and I have never heard that travel restrictions were imposed upon them. The possible necessity of obtaining a visa cannot justify that OP in form of ViCo have to become mandatory. [02:04] schestowitz I therefore have to maintain that the reasons brought forward by CIPA have more to do with business reasons than with possible travel restrictions! [02:04] schestowitz " [02:05] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/#comments [02:05] schestowitz " [02:05] schestowitz Dear Richard, [02:05] schestowitz I wonder why anyone would need a visa when working on EPO premises, as those are exempt from any national rules, regulations, and and and, as the EPO management continues to point out. Hence the office management sees no need to sign any agreement under Article 20(2) EPO-PPI. [02:05] schestowitz Article 15 of the EPO-PPI could apply, as the representatives are experts performing tasks for the organisation (representing the applicants, in many cases the applicants even need compulsory representation, they are part of the adminsitration of justice). This might need a decision by the Administrative Council (Article 17 EPO-PPI) (I dont know if such a decision already exists, the list of names exists anyway). [02:05] schestowitz Maybe CIPA should lobby for such a quick fix for the Brexshit desaster. [02:05] schestowitz It wouldnt require a doubtful, flexible interpretation of a fixed Convention. [02:05] schestowitz " [02:05] schestowitz " [02:05] schestowitz Max Drei and Attentive Observer, my comment was half-joking half-serious. As noted by Attentive Observer the single-examiner division has been a fact for a long time, as professionals are well aware. The generalization of home working and VICO meetings, shown to allow continuation of day-to-day work during Covid, would bring arguments toward a revision of the EPC, assuming the three-member division cannot be made optional even by a [02:05] schestowitz dynamic interpretation of Article 18. And this format is unique to the EPO. [02:05] schestowitz That being said, NTIC technologies have already revolutionized the patent profession toward commoditizing many components of patent work in order to cut costs and speed up procedures. See e.g. an interesting presentation at FICPI 2019 Australia (https://ficpi.org.au/members-only/articles/How%20Will%20We%20Survive%20-%20Mutant%20Ninja%20IP%20Attorneys.pdf). This trend is bound to broaden and increase. [02:05] schestowitz A relevant factor in my view is the potential value of an application as perceived by the players and the strategic/commercial stakes involved. For some applicants, it is of prime importance to build patent arsenals and quantity tends to prevail over quality, with exceptions when stakes are high. In such cases, costs are significant and reforms allowing cost reduction will be welcome. On the other hand, oppositions and appeals imply [02:05] schestowitz high stakes, and cost-cutting is no longer the name of the game. The parties and the offices or courts find it justified to devote adequate resources for quality proceedings, including three-judge panels and face-to-face oral proceedings. [02:05] schestowitz In national court systems, you can have this divide. Small-stake cases are handled by single judges and proceedings are simplified, while high-stakes are handled by three-member panels. [02:05] schestowitz " [02:22] *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:23] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [02:26] *oiaohm has quit (Excess Flood) [02:26] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [02:28] *oiaohm has quit (Excess Flood) [02:29] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [02:49] schestowitz Re: Do you know anything about this: "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" [02:49] schestowitz > Where can I get in touch with figos? [02:49] schestowitz Very weird. I will look into it. [02:53] schestowitz MinceR: [02:53] schestowitz > Maybe I've imagined things, but I was under the impression that the [02:53] schestowitz > "real" Mincer didn't waste time twisting everything into bullshit [02:53] schestowitz > non-sequiturs. [02:53] schestowitz > [02:53] schestowitz >> lactose intolerance doesn't turn lactose into a drug [02:53] MinceR lol [02:53] schestowitz > [02:53] schestowitz > Right, because that was my argument. Look, both you guys can be idiots [02:53] schestowitz > if you want to be. I've definitely tried to make a point here, obviously [02:53] schestowitz > nobody is interested in one. But the responses are ignorant. Authority [02:53] schestowitz > and logic (albeit with superficial data and questionable motive) are on [02:53] schestowitz > your sides, if that's good enough for you then be my guest. And if [02:53] schestowitz > you're actually wrong, who gives a fuck? [02:53] schestowitz (I did not even express an opinion on it!) [02:54] MinceR sounded like way overstating the point to me [02:54] schestowitz > Again-- personal *first-hand*, repeated experience... but if by now that [02:54] schestowitz > counts for *nothing at all* but a bunch of sarcastic half-wittery, then [02:54] schestowitz > really why the hell do I even talk to either of you? [02:54] schestowitz maybe temper [02:54] schestowitz I didn't even express an opinion on this subject... at all [02:54] schestowitz so surely a misunderstanding or something [02:55] schestowitz Re: Hey don't worry about it [02:55] schestowitz > I don't know a better way to make my point than to take this fork in the [02:55] schestowitz > road. Nobody had to agree, I just didn't know that the response to [02:55] schestowitz > first-hand experience was going to be so condescending. [02:55] schestowitz > [02:55] schestowitz > It's not a joke to me, just to you, so enjoy it. [02:55] schestowitz > [02:55] schestowitz > When years of fucking personal suffering aren't enough to get a [02:55] schestowitz > datapoint considered against the backdrop of corporate lobbying, then I [02:55] schestowitz > think things have gotten too elitist for my taste anyway. I'm of no use [02:55] schestowitz > here, and you boys take care of yourselves. Don't bother telling me it's [02:55] schestowitz > a misunderstanding, either-- only so many of those things actually are. [02:55] schestowitz > Hmm. Ciao. [02:55] schestowitz wow, regarding something I expressed no opinion on [02:59] MinceR afaict most people don't suffer from it [02:59] MinceR i'm pretty sure i don't ● Dec 15 [03:01] schestowitz can't believe it annoyed him >that< much [03:01] schestowitz I myself don't even have an opinion on it... [03:04] schestowitz https://twitter.com/AAnon974/status/1338522732955365377 [03:04] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AAnon974: @DC_Draino And some would suggest that his wealth and success was earned through thievery rather than intelligence. https://t.co/z0WDGKoVh8 [03:04] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2010/01/18/grooming-of-bill-gates/ ) ● Dec 15 [04:09] *Techrights-sec has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:10] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [04:54] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:55] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 15 [06:46] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:51] *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:51] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [06:59] *oiaohm has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Dec 15 [07:00] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:03] *oiaohm_ (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:04] *oiaohm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:06] *oiaohm_ has quit (Excess Flood) [07:07] *oiaohm_ (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:09] *oiaohm_ has quit (Excess Flood) [07:11] *oiaohm_ (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:14] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:16] *mhoaio (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [07:17] *oiaohm_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [07:18] *oiaohm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:20] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [07:20] *mhoaio is now known as oiaohm [07:20] *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:21] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 15 [08:51] Techrights-sec -> water, light exercise, nap [08:51] Techrights-sec in that order ● Dec 15 [09:06] schestowitz rering was on by default again, so I may have missed text before ">water" if there was any such text above buffer threshold ● Dec 15 [10:09] Techrights-sec Yes, just a link to the mention of migraines [10:34] schestowitz was the first video OK and also worked at your end? I did not check with more than 2 web browsers [10:51] Techrights-sec I will check. [10:51] Techrights-sec There are two scripts, one to TR one to kiwiirc.com, I'm not going to unblock either. [10:51] Techrights-sec However, in chromium with the scripts blocked, there is no link to the video. [10:51] Techrights-sec In Firefox, there is a link to the video even if the sripts are blocked. [10:51] Techrights-sec So via FF, but not Chromium, I can save the Ogg file and open it in VLC> [10:51] Techrights-sec Except there is an errror [10:51] Techrights-sec Got it with wget. [10:52] Techrights-sec Probably best to modify the post to have a plain text, as in works in lynx, link to the Ogg file [10:52] Techrights-sec . [10:52] Techrights-sec Currently it is embedded and that is proiblematic. [10:52] Techrights-sec The wget + vlc combination works well. You might start the video with a title slide indicating [10:52] Techrights-sec the topic and the date before moving to the photos. [10:52] Techrights-sec That way people can realie that it is a slide show and not a movie. [10:52] Techrights-sec ^realize [10:52] schestowitz Thanks, I will make technical improvements. Those take a very short time to produce, uploading takes a lot longer but is hassle-free (waiting). [10:55] Techrights-sec The video takes about 4 minutes to get into the flow. Many podcasts usually start talking with [10:55] Techrights-sec their guests a few minutes while setting up for warm up before starting to record. [10:55] Techrights-sec I'm not sure how that would go with a monologue. [10:55] Techrights-sec But it might be possible. [10:55] schestowitz I can practice, both on the talking side and technical side of things. My goal is to waste no time scripting of doing multiple takes, editing... [10:59] schestowitz second video: http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/epo-lack-of-oversight/ [10:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Video: Quick Remarks About the Lack of Oversight at the European Patent Office | Techrights ● Dec 15 [11:06] schestowitz it seems to choke up the server, I see 8MB/sec or worse [11:20] Techrights-sec Well, the video is 66MB [11:20] Techrights-sec When you get to the end of the talking in the video, it would be useful to say a word or two wra [11:20] Techrights-sec pping up rather than cutting to blank. [11:20] schestowitz Will need to memorise those suggestions as it's totally unscripted. 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