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*wispy (i=9f5b894f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-da749040b03998b9) has joined #boycottnovellDec 02 00:35
wispyhello roy!Dec 02 00:36
schestowitzHey!Dec 02 00:36
wispyhow was your day? :)Dec 02 00:36
wispyit was warm for meDec 02 00:37
schestowitzSnow here.Dec 02 00:37
wispyit snows every year on my birthdayDec 02 00:37
wispynice giftDec 02 00:37
schestowitzDigg has been slow for UNIX/Linux.Dec 02 00:37
wispyi just came back todayDec 02 00:37
schestowitzOnly about 2 stories promoted/dayDec 02 00:37
wispyyes it isDec 02 00:37
wispydarnDec 02 00:38
schestowitzIt used to be 5-7 per dayDec 02 00:38
schestowitzIt has 'moods'Dec 02 00:38
wispyback in 2006?Dec 02 00:38
schestowitzThe shills ruin it tooDec 02 00:38
wispy:(Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz2006 was very different.Dec 02 00:38
schestowitz2007 was not /too/bad.Dec 02 00:38
wispyi remember 2007, it was much betterDec 02 00:38
schestowitzIn 2006 I could make 5 front pages per day. Then Netscape nabbed me.Dec 02 00:38
wispypropellerDec 02 00:39
schestowitzNow it's called PropellerDec 02 00:39
wispyshould i join/Dec 02 00:39
wispyi thought soDec 02 00:39
schestowitzI don't know... shills don't exist thereDec 02 00:39
wispyis there some kind of firewall? ;)Dec 02 00:39
wispyjkDec 02 00:39
schestowitzOne of my stalkers came there and they banned his promptoDec 02 00:39
schestowitz*himDec 02 00:39
schestowitzThe trolls come wherever they can do harmDec 02 00:40
wispyyou are a celebrity, roy heheDec 02 00:40
schestowitzSlashdot,. Digg... it's like locust..Dec 02 00:40
wispyhaving all these stalkersDec 02 00:40
schestowitzFind a good pro-Linux sites, embrace, extend and ruin...Dec 02 00:40
wispyawwDec 02 00:40
schestowitzbrbDec 02 00:40
wispyok :)Dec 02 00:40
*schestowitz backDec 02 00:43
wispyhey :DDec 02 00:43
schestowitzSo anyway, I have these posts coming.Dec 02 00:43
wispyfor bn?Dec 02 00:43
schestowitzOne of them is about Novell, but I need other people to approach this too.Dec 02 00:44
schestowitzYes, I hardly write elsewhere.Dec 02 00:44
wispycoolDec 02 00:44
schestowitzI upgraded two blogs yesterday.. for security reasons.Dec 02 00:44
wispyi saw your articles for an IT siteDec 02 00:44
wispygood ideaDec 02 00:44
schestowitzWhich site?Dec 02 00:44
wispyearthweb, something like thatDec 02 00:44
schestowitzI no longer write for them... I don't want to.Dec 02 00:45
schestowitzI don't like editorshipDec 02 00:45
wispyoh ok, didn't know thatDec 02 00:45
schestowitzThey water down my allegationsDec 02 00:45
schestowitzThings can can say:Dec 02 00:45
wispycensorship!Dec 02 00:45
schestowitz*UNIX is dyingDec 02 00:45
schestowitz*Wintel=goodDec 02 00:45
wispyugh lolDec 02 00:45
wispyi liked your RMS interviewDec 02 00:45
schestowitz*"Linux" is having challengesDec 02 00:45
schestowitzThings not to say:Dec 02 00:46
schestowitz*Microsoft has connections with SCODec 02 00:46
schestowitz*Novell is a vassal of MicrosoftDec 02 00:46
schestowitz*Microsoft is run by vicious peopleDec 02 00:46
wispybasically you can't say the truth, huhDec 02 00:46
schestowitz*Microsoft is only faking being niceDec 02 00:46
schestowitzwispy: truth is relativeDec 02 00:47
wispyokDec 02 00:47
schestowitzIt's manufacturedDec 02 00:47
schestowitzSame in politics.Dec 02 00:47
wispythe ministry of truthDec 02 00:47
MinceRyou could try to write a negative articleDec 02 00:47
wispybut there is objective infoDec 02 00:47
schestowitzIf I say Khadaffi (spelling?) is a terrorist, that's OKDec 02 00:47
schestowitzIf I say that George Bush commits war crimes, I must provide lots of evidence.Dec 02 00:47
MinceR"In our world where water is dry and the sky is green, it's important to know that Microsoft isn't a vicious company trying to take over the IT industry again, no Sir!"Dec 02 00:47
wispytrue schestowitzDec 02 00:48
MinceRtechnically, it does fit the above listDec 02 00:48
schestowitzIt's taken for granted that certain truths have already been manufacturedDec 02 00:48
wispyhi minceDec 02 00:48
MinceR(though somehow i feel they wouldn't like it anyway)Dec 02 00:48
schestowitzTo say "Windows is declining" is hardDec 02 00:48
MinceRhay wispyDec 02 00:48
schestowitzBecause Wintel press sets 'standards' i n truthsDec 02 00:48
schestowitzstandard: "Microsoft is rich"Dec 02 00:48
schestowitzReality: "Microsoft is entering debt"Dec 02 00:48
wispyis their stock going down?Dec 02 00:48
schestowitzstandard: "Linux is nowhere near 1%"Dec 02 00:48
schestowitzReality: "Linux quietly dominated servers and grows quickly on desktops in developing countries"Dec 02 00:49
schestowitzStandard: "Linux is hard"Dec 02 00:49
wispylinux is not hard to use; i didn't need anyone holding my hand..Dec 02 00:49
schestowitzReality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?"Dec 02 00:49
wispyyou need all these crazy driversDec 02 00:49
schestowitzYes, MSFT is down todayDec 02 00:50
schestowitzAnd they buy back sharesDec 02 00:50
wispyso should people sell?Dec 02 00:50
schestowitzSell..?Dec 02 00:50
schestowitzYes.Dec 02 00:50
wispysome stockholders are cluelessDec 02 00:50
schestowitzIf only I could convince people.Dec 02 00:50
wispythey don't have access to this infoDec 02 00:50
schestowitzSome of them go down with the ship that's wall street.Dec 02 00:50
schestowitzSheep down with the shipDec 02 00:50
*kapipi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))Dec 02 00:50
schestowitzWell, they have CNBC and BloombergDec 02 00:51
MinceR015843 <@schestowitz> Reality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?"Dec 02 00:51
MinceRi've triedDec 02 00:51
schestowitzSo they think they are well equiped.Dec 02 00:51
wispyi got some internship offers even though finance is looking badDec 02 00:51
MinceRit was a 5 day tortureDec 02 00:51
schestowitzUber analysts and Kramer-type personasDec 02 00:51
MinceRas the installer CD crashed as long as it saw my partition tableDec 02 00:51
wispyoh dear lolDec 02 00:51
MinceRwithout any error messageDec 02 00:51
schestowitz"Buy! Sell! You're smart! I'm rich! Let's make $$$!!"Dec 02 00:51
MinceRjust a black screen and the hdd led left onDec 02 00:51
MinceR(that's xp)Dec 02 00:52
wispythats crazy, roy haahDec 02 00:52
schestowitzBest of WindowsDec 02 00:52
wispyyikes, minceDec 02 00:52
schestowitzVista is for ricersDec 02 00:52
MinceRs/as long/as soon/Dec 02 00:52
wispylolDec 02 00:52
MinceRthe solution was to back up the partition table, delete all partitions except the ntfs one, install, then restore the backupDec 02 00:52
schestowitzHow'd ya like your Vista, PUNK!?Dec 02 00:52
wispyi got vista with my lappy, i switched to ubuntu soon afterDec 02 00:53
schestowitzSeriously now, they f* it up every month or so with bad patches.Dec 02 00:53
wispymy friend installed SP1, and it froze her computerDec 02 00:53
schestowitzLots of people gave up when patches that are critical rendered it unbootable.Dec 02 00:53
schestowitzTypicalDec 02 00:53
schestowitzI heard of 2/3 failure rateDec 02 00:53
wispyyes, she had to reformatDec 02 00:54
MinceRoh, and i had to get an install image with a hacked-in sata driverDec 02 00:54
schestowitzThey nuke it off people's PCsDec 02 00:54
wispyhahDec 02 00:54
MinceRbecause in microsoft world, hardware support is something that happens to other people.Dec 02 00:54
schestowitzThey lost the Windows programmers... now it's just temployeesDec 02 00:54
wispytoughDec 02 00:54
wispylinux has good hardware supportDec 02 00:54
wispyi never had any connectivity problemsDec 02 00:55
MinceRlinux has the best hw support of all OS-esDec 02 00:55
wispyye;Dec 02 00:55
wispyyep*Dec 02 00:55
MinceRalso, it works out of the boxDec 02 00:55
MinceRon windows, prepare to spend another day on installing driversDec 02 00:55
wispyvery convenientDec 02 00:55
MinceRyeahDec 02 00:55
wispy:)Dec 02 00:55
MinceRespecially while some wizard keeps popping up and offering to find a driver for meDec 02 00:55
MinceReven though i know it won'tDec 02 00:55
wispyclippy!  :PDec 02 00:55
wispyhe pops up a lotDec 02 00:55
wispyi kinda liked him when i was littleDec 02 00:56
schestowitzI tried several distributions on 3 PCs that I ahve.Dec 02 00:56
schestowitzIn all cases, without exception*, everything worked automagicallyDec 02 00:56
wispyooooohDec 02 00:57
wispyhave you used debian lately, roy?Dec 02 00:57
schestowitz*In one case, Ubuntu 5.0x failed to pick up the sound card volume controller properly, but that was minor... on one PC only.Dec 02 00:57
schestowitzNo Debian, no... I was going to.Dec 02 00:57
wispyawwww i feel left out lolDec 02 00:58
wispyjkDec 02 00:58
schestowitzYou have Woody and SidDec 02 00:58
wispyetch is my friendDec 02 00:58
schestowitzSoon Lenny will come.Dec 02 00:58
wispyi'd like to meet himDec 02 00:58
wispyheheDec 02 00:58
schestowitzHe should be stableDec 02 00:58
schestowitzHe has no viruses.Dec 02 00:59
wispyi hope he's a stable guyDec 02 00:59
wispygood :)Dec 02 00:59
*schestowitz BTW I should point out wispy is a femaleDec 02 00:59
wispyyes i amDec 02 00:59
schestowitzIt's probably not obvious.Dec 02 00:59
wispyyeah most people when i chat with them can't tellDec 02 01:00
schestowitzNot 'bot female'Dec 02 01:00
wispyoh noDec 02 01:00
schestowitzLike the joke goes in social networks.Dec 02 01:00
schestowitzIf female, then must be SEO spammerDec 02 01:00
wispythey friend so many people then spam themDec 02 01:00
wispythat's why i never friend chicksDec 02 01:01
wispyi have to know them personallyDec 02 01:01
wispyi check to see if they have good commentsDec 02 01:01
wispythen i friend themDec 02 01:02
schestowitzGood comments?Dec 02 01:02
schestowitzLike what?Dec 02 01:02
wispynot random comments like " good blog!"Dec 02 01:02
schestowitz"Hi, I am looking for new friends"Dec 02 01:02
wispysomething worthwhileDec 02 01:02
wispylol royDec 02 01:02
schestowitzOr "Hi, I'm bored"Dec 02 01:02
wispyheheDec 02 01:02
schestowitzOr "My father has inherited $10,000,000 and I am stranded in Ghana..."Dec 02 01:02
wispyewwDec 02 01:02
wispyhaha silly scammersDec 02 01:03
MinceRgnDec 02 01:03
schestowitzgnDec 02 01:03
wispyi did get a nigerian email, but it was obvious that it was fakeDec 02 01:03
wispygoing to bed?Dec 02 01:04
schestowitzMe? No.Dec 02 01:04
schestowitzI post to USENETDec 02 01:04
schestowitzMulti-tasking.Dec 02 01:04
wispysee ya minceDec 02 01:04
wispyoops i dodnt see mince type gnDec 02 01:04
wispyi multitask tooDec 02 01:04
schestowitzWhat with?Dec 02 01:05
schestowitzWhen I write I must do this.Dec 02 01:05
schestowitzTo proofread you must blank the mind.Dec 02 01:05
wispyi don't use anything special, but i mt with my homeworkDec 02 01:05
wispysounds like a zen saying, royDec 02 01:05
wispyhahaDec 02 01:05
wispy"To proofread you must blank the mind."Dec 02 01:05
schestowitzWell...Dec 02 01:06
schestowitzI wrote that hastily.Dec 02 01:06
schestowitzI still love writing when it's a flow of thoughts..Dec 02 01:06
schestowitzAs in here.Dec 02 01:06
schestowitzGoing through text and improving it is often wasteful.Dec 02 01:06
wispylike a stream of consciousnessDec 02 01:06
PetoKrausyeah, i do that as wellDec 02 01:06
schestowitzAnd yet, a necessity if you treat the reader well.Dec 02 01:07
wispyyeah i hate proofreadingDec 02 01:07
wispysup petrokrausDec 02 01:07
schestowitzIt also need concentration.Dec 02 01:07
schestowitz*needsDec 02 01:07
PetoKrausthough i tend to write stuff on the first time and then just correct the grammzorDec 02 01:07
wispyyou have great posts with good grammer, royDec 02 01:07
schestowitzWhere?Dec 02 01:07
PetoKrausi guess i feel when I'm being lengthyDec 02 01:07
wispyhere, silly :DDec 02 01:07
wispythats cool petoDec 02 01:08
PetoKrausanyway, good nightDec 02 01:08
PetoKrausi need to get myself in shapeDec 02 01:08
wispysee ya!Dec 02 01:08
PetoKrausthursday i went to sleep at 5, friday at 4:30, saturday at 2:00, sunday at midnight and today at 1:15Dec 02 01:09
PetoKrauswaking up at 8 every dayDec 02 01:09
wispyi have a wacky sleep schedule too, i blame collegeDec 02 01:09
PetoKrauswhich is roy's normal schedule, but i tend to sleep healthy 8 hours a day ;)Dec 02 01:09
wispyi have to get up at 7:30 tomorrowDec 02 01:09
schestowitzHehe.Dec 02 01:09
wispynice, petoDec 02 01:09
schestowitzI used to have weird sleeping patterns.Dec 02 01:09
schestowitzIn 2004 I was waking up at about 4 AMDec 02 01:10
PetoKrausman, work at saturday was painDec 02 01:10
schestowitz2005 it was like 2 AM, I thinkDec 02 01:10
wispywow!Dec 02 01:10
PetoKrausi was falling asleep while typing new jobs in the database xDDec 02 01:10
schestowitzIn 2007 waking up at 10 PM was common... sometimes 7PMDec 02 01:10
wispydo you use SQL, peto?Dec 02 01:10
schestowitzNow I'm back to 'normal'Dec 02 01:10
PetoKrauswispy: it was sageDec 02 01:10
wispyomg really roy?Dec 02 01:10
schestowitzWhere normal means other people's normDec 02 01:10
PetoKrauswispy: at work we use bollocks softwareDec 02 01:10
wispycool, petoDec 02 01:10
wispyhahDec 02 01:10
PetoKrausthough I'm using MySQL on my pageDec 02 01:10
PetoKrausi don't like itDec 02 01:11
schestowitzNo?Dec 02 01:11
schestowitzWhy not?Dec 02 01:11
PetoKrausi don't like the idea of "something managing your data"Dec 02 01:11
schestowitzIt hardly fails.Dec 02 01:11
wispyi'm trying to learn MySQLDec 02 01:11
wispyfor business majors, it's a plus if you know itDec 02 01:11
PetoKrausthere's the hassle of ... you need to be cautious about encodingDec 02 01:11
PetoKrausyou need to be cautious about injectionsDec 02 01:11
schestowitzPetoKraus: so get the data file uncompressed, flatten it.Dec 02 01:11
wispyif you're really anal, i guess mysql is okayDec 02 01:11
wispyor a perfectionistDec 02 01:12
PetoKraus:)Dec 02 01:12
PetoKrausi just don't like to bother with settingsDec 02 01:12
PetoKrausi use plain files for both click counter AND comment systemsDec 02 01:12
wispydo you like the gui while working with databases?Dec 02 01:12
PetoKrausjust because I don't like the idea of sanitizing of the inputDec 02 01:12
PetoKrauswispy: yes, phpmyadmin xDDec 02 01:13
wispycool heheDec 02 01:13
wispyi want to use python with MySQL; do they work well together?Dec 02 01:13
PetoKrausi feel it's safer to pipe the output of a form into a file, which will be displayed in HTML, than to pipe it trough mysql, which needs "addslashes" protectionDec 02 01:13
PetoKrauswispy: python is easy to use, i'd say yesDec 02 01:14
wispyyipee :)Dec 02 01:14
PetoKrausthough I did quite a bit of PHP + MysqlDec 02 01:14
PetoKrauslatelyDec 02 01:14
wispyyeah i almost started learning php, then i started with pythonDec 02 01:14
PetoKrausand my friend wants me to help him on a code in c++Dec 02 01:14
schestowitzGoogle uses a lot of python.Dec 02 01:14
wispyand YT!Dec 02 01:14
schestowitzSo ti's a good skill to have,.Dec 02 01:14
wispyyoutubeDec 02 01:14
schestowitzPerl tooDec 02 01:14
schestowitzand bashDec 02 01:15
wispycan python replace bash?Dec 02 01:15
schestowitzI did some interviews with them (beyond a first)Dec 02 01:15
schestowitzYesDec 02 01:15
PetoKrausit can, it's a bit cumbersome thoughDec 02 01:15
wispyhmm python is really multipurposeDec 02 01:15
schestowitzFor system calls it's differentDec 02 01:15
wispyoh ok petoDec 02 01:15
wispycool royDec 02 01:15
PetoKrausperl is really better to do scripts than pythonDec 02 01:15
PetoKrauspython is more for "wee widgets"Dec 02 01:16
wispyok i'll try learning that tooDec 02 01:16
PetoKrauspygtk is amazingly easy to doDec 02 01:16
PetoKrausjava's GUI design using swing can just dieDec 02 01:16
wispylol :DDec 02 01:16
PetoKrausi wouldn't be able to do a thing without netbeansDec 02 01:17
PetoKrausin JavaDec 02 01:17
PetoKrauswith python... it's easy. And if it isn't you can still use glade...Dec 02 01:17
wispyin Advanced placement calculus (back in high school), i knew a boy who loved java.  he was really smartDec 02 01:17
PetoKrausour class collectively hates javaDec 02 01:17
wispythx for the info petoDec 02 01:17
wispyon java & pythonDec 02 01:18
PetoKrausjust because we were running it on PIII machines with BlueJ IDEDec 02 01:18
wispywhat are the criticisms of java?Dec 02 01:18
wispyi heard the financial indutry uses it a lotDec 02 01:18
wispyso i was considering learning itDec 02 01:18
PetoKrauswell, if you can get a T2 Ultrasparc....Dec 02 01:18
PetoKrausit's pretty fast on that.Dec 02 01:18
wispycoolDec 02 01:19
PetoKrausit's industry standardDec 02 01:19
wispyc++ is loved with financial programmers, tooDec 02 01:19
schestowitzJava is the #1 p/lDec 02 01:19
schestowitzby a big gapDec 02 01:19
wispybut java is loved more :)Dec 02 01:19
wispyroy, do you know java and c++?Dec 02 01:19
schestowitzStudy: Java still top programming language: http://news.cnet.com/8301-...Dec 02 01:19
schestowitzI hardly used c++. I hacked in it. I did Java though.Dec 02 01:20
schestowitzC was my main thing.Dec 02 01:20
PetoKrausschestowitz: got any good tutorials on C++?Dec 02 01:20
wispycool, just looked at the link royDec 02 01:20
wispyc is good with hardware, right?Dec 02 01:20
schestowitzPetoKraus: why C++? Java is better managed.Dec 02 01:20
PetoKrausi didn't touch it for few yearsDec 02 01:20
wispyroy, you were a hacker? :ODec 02 01:20
schestowitzOnly Linus still does CDec 02 01:21
PetoKrausschestowitz: it's for a sound appDec 02 01:21
schestowitzHe's God in his own mind, so he won't listen to anyone.Dec 02 01:21
PetoKrausyou don't want to do that in high levelDec 02 01:21
wispylinus hates c++ i thinkDec 02 01:21
schestowitzI can't recall that quote about this..Dec 02 01:21
PetoKrausright, GNDec 02 01:22
wispyi agree with him about how KDE is better than gnome heheDec 02 01:22
wispysry, what does gn stand for?Dec 02 01:22
schestowitzgood night.Dec 02 01:23
schestowitzNot that I'll be sleeping much.Dec 02 01:23
wispyah ok, thxDec 02 01:23
schestowitzThe days are so short.Dec 02 01:23
wispyi hate sleeping, but i have to do it :(Dec 02 01:24
wispyyes i love the sunDec 02 01:24
schestowitzIf I wake up before 8 it's dark.Dec 02 01:24
wispywhen i was in kindergarten (5 years old), i had to wake at 6 am everyday b/c my school was so far awayDec 02 01:24
wispyit was dark every morningDec 02 01:24
wispynow im in college, and i wake around 8 am on averageDec 02 01:25
wispyi hate waking up after 10 amDec 02 01:25
wispyi wish i was a morning person so i can catch more of the sun, but i'm a night personDec 02 01:26
wispyit's just the way my body is lolDec 02 01:26
wispyi can concentrate the best around 1 amDec 02 01:26
schestowitz6am?!?Dec 02 01:26
wispyyes i was a poor little girlDec 02 01:27
wispyi could *not* afford to miss the bus, school was 2 hours awayDec 02 01:27
wispythis was new jersey, not some 3rd world countryDec 02 01:27
wispy:SDec 02 01:27
schestowitzNJ is cool.Dec 02 01:28
schestowitzI know some people from there.Dec 02 01:28
wispyhave you been here? :)Dec 02 01:28
schestowitzThere are states that are a lot more challenged.Dec 02 01:29
wispyfrom where?  hope they aren't guidos!Dec 02 01:29
schestowitzNo, not been in NJDec 02 01:29
wispymississippiDec 02 01:29
schestowitzSheeshDec 02 01:29
wispyyou should definitely visit nyc and la somedayDec 02 01:29
wispyhehe royDec 02 01:29
schestowitztwitter is here.Dec 02 01:29
wispytwitter is in nj??Dec 02 01:29
zoobabhttp://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t...Dec 02 01:30
schestowitzI was in Florida and Washington 2 years ago... Virginia tooDec 02 01:30
schestowitzzoobab: yes, I know.Dec 02 01:30
schestowitzI was at his talk here.Dec 02 01:30
wispyi've been to virginia lots of timesDec 02 01:30
zoobabwhere here?Dec 02 01:30
schestowitzNot a very smart person, IMHO, but he's pro FOssDec 02 01:30
schestowitzManchesterDec 02 01:30
schestowitzhe gave a talkDec 02 01:30
zoobablet's send him an open letter thenDec 02 01:30
schestowitzHe mentioned Slashdot a lotDec 02 01:31
schestowitzI blogged about it back then..Dec 02 01:31
schestowitzzoobab: let's doDec 02 01:31
schestowitzI used to comment in his blogDec 02 01:31
schestowitzWhat abotu Sutor?Dec 02 01:31
wispydid he see your blog post, roy?Dec 02 01:31
schestowitzHe's in Aye-Bee-Aim now.Dec 02 01:31
schestowitzI think soDec 02 01:31
wispyibm?Dec 02 01:32
zoobabmany people read BNDec 02 01:32
wispylike i said before, roy is a celebDec 02 01:32
schestowitzI remember that back then (around 2006)... there werre seevral referrals with his full nameDec 02 01:32
schestowitzSo maybe he used Technorati to track it.Dec 02 01:32
schestowitzIBM=Big BloopDec 02 01:32
wispylmaoDec 02 01:32
wispyroy, you reminded me of how some parents spell out things in front of the kidsDec 02 01:33
wispyXDDec 02 01:33
wispyAye-Bee-AimDec 02 01:33
schestowitzNo, none of that. :-|Dec 02 01:33
schestowitzzoobab: letter about patents?Dec 02 01:34
schestowitzI think he's one of those INNOVA~1 INTELL~1 PROPER~1 people.Dec 02 01:34
schestowitzHe has those prose-like bloggings about buzzwords... makes you wanna snoozeDec 02 01:34
wispyi like scandal when i read blogsDec 02 01:35
wispyi think i came to the right place, right, roy?Dec 02 01:35
wispy;)Dec 02 01:35
schestowitzWhere?Dec 02 01:35
schestowitzBN?Dec 02 01:35
schestowitzNo scandal there.Dec 02 01:35
wispyoh yeahDec 02 01:36
wispysuuuuureDec 02 01:36
zoobabBeth Noveck of Peer to Patent (those who manages to find prior art in binaries) is also in the teamDec 02 01:36
schestowitzIt covers scandals.Dec 02 01:36
schestowitzIt has vandalsDec 02 01:36
zoobabI was trolling her at Eupaco2Dec 02 01:36
wispyyou are a poet and you don't know it, royDec 02 01:36
zoobabI still have to post the videos on Youtube and alDec 02 01:36
zoobabhttp://change.gov/learn/policy_...Dec 02 01:36
schestowitzwispy: no, I just hate white-collar crimeDec 02 01:37
schestowitzzoobab: good stuff.Dec 02 01:37
wispyit costs more than street crimeDec 02 01:37
schestowitzLots moreDec 02 01:37
wispyi learned that in my honors sociology classDec 02 01:37
wispybillionsDec 02 01:37
schestowitzPunishment is a petty thingDec 02 01:37
wispylets shame themDec 02 01:38
zoobabhttp://change.gov/learn/pol...Dec 02 01:38
zoobab"It is ironic that if software patents were disallowed altogether, it might cause legitimate software innovations to then be protected as trade secrets, and thus keep them away from open source projects."Dec 02 01:38
zoobabhttp://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/...Dec 02 01:38
wispyso roy, how's the ph.d? :)Dec 02 01:38
wispyyou must be very smart to get that farDec 02 01:38
schestowitzWow.Dec 02 01:39
schestowitzzoobab: is that from Irving?Dec 02 01:39
schestowitzDefending swpats.Dec 02 01:39
zoobabyeahDec 02 01:39
schestowitzwispy: see http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008...Dec 02 01:40
wispyjust did, thanks!Dec 02 01:40
wispyyou're so close, you can do it!  :DDec 02 01:40
wispymy sister is getting a ph.d too, in medicine i thinkDec 02 01:41
wispyshe's a bio major nowDec 02 01:41
wispybut she's 18 nowDec 02 01:41
schestowitzI feel like I finished 3 years ago.Dec 02 01:41
schestowitzIt's an afterthought.Dec 02 01:41
wispystill, you are younger than a lot of ph.d candidatesDec 02 01:41
wispyin the us, ph.d candidates start out at around 28Dec 02 01:42
wispygraduate school is a long processDec 02 01:42
wispythen comes the ph.dDec 02 01:42
wispycan i call you dr. schestowitz soon?  ;)Dec 02 01:43
schestowitzYesDec 02 01:44
schestowitzBut that's not important.Dec 02 01:44
wispycuteDec 02 01:44
schestowitzIf it was, I'd have finished in 2006Dec 02 01:45
wispythat's a big accomplishmentDec 02 01:45
schestowitzThanks.Dec 02 01:45
wispyno prob ^.^Dec 02 01:45
schestowitzBut the Freedom fight is more important.Dec 02 01:45
schestowitzThat's why it's curtailedDec 02 01:45
schestowitzI also need the campusDec 02 01:45
wispywhat's up with the campus?Dec 02 01:46
wispyyou are a freedom figher, roy :)Dec 02 01:46
schestowitzNo.Dec 02 01:47
schestowitzRMS is.Dec 02 01:47
schestowitzCampus if good for protection and support.Dec 02 01:47
schestowitzit fosters thinking and peaceDec 02 01:47
wispyrms is da manDec 02 01:48
wispyah so you are a scholarDec 02 01:48
schestowitzI still have acces to heads of departments.Dec 02 01:48
wispyi support you, roy.  you have friends in cyberspace, tooDec 02 01:48
schestowitzNot scholar, hacker.;-)Dec 02 01:48
wispycoolDec 02 01:48
wispyhahahaDec 02 01:48
wispyi can't hack, i'm such a n00bDec 02 01:48
wispysince i'm a girl, i didn't get much support when i was younger.  *now* i'm learning how to programDec 02 01:49
wispyall the guys were at it since they were preteensDec 02 01:49
schestowitzIt's self learning that counts.Dec 02 01:49
schestowitzEducation is exaggerated.Dec 02 01:49
schestowitzBut people judge others by pieces of papers.Dec 02 01:49
schestowitz*paperDec 02 01:49
wispythe internet really showed me that tech is interestingDec 02 01:49
wispymy parents thought the Internet was a bad place, so i didn't go on too oftenDec 02 01:50
schestowitzTech is a subcultureDec 02 01:50
schestowitzEverything isDec 02 01:50
schestowitzThere are better causesDec 02 01:50
schestowitzPolitical, environmental..Dec 02 01:50
wispyyes, trueDec 02 01:50
schestowitzI don't subscribe into baking and lawyers as 'causes'Dec 02 01:50
schestowitzThey are middlemen.Dec 02 01:50
wispyi'm interested in so many thingsDec 02 01:50
wispylike the mafiaa?Dec 02 01:51
schestowitzThey are interfering, but they act as glue that's parasitic.Dec 02 01:51
wispyi agree that self learning is vital, royDec 02 01:51
schestowitzmafiia is anti-artDec 02 01:51
wispyhaha royDec 02 01:51
schestowitzDepreviation of self expressionDec 02 01:51
wispythat's sad :'(Dec 02 01:51
schestowitzIt is argued yet it can never be proven that's its an innate thing for a person to want to create things and also strive to escape authority for individualism... MAFIAA is against all that.Dec 02 01:52
schestowitzMAFIAA is abotu swallowing an ocean of creativity.Dec 02 01:52
schestowitzBlockbuster = one producer = 200,000,000 viewersDec 02 01:52
schestowitzYouTube's ratios are different.Dec 02 01:52
wispythat's profound, roy, the first part you wrote :)Dec 02 01:53
wispyYT is so awesome, the users win in the endDec 02 01:53
schestowitzYT?Dec 02 01:54
schestowitzOh, Youtube duhDec 02 01:54
wispyyoutube :)Dec 02 01:54
wispyhehe that's okDec 02 01:55
schestowitzGrolaw fights for YouTube too.Dec 02 01:55
schestowitzSee latest post here.Dec 02 01:55
wispypam?Dec 02 01:55
schestowitzPJ found the videos that I found a month ago and put in BNDec 02 01:55
zoobabwhich videos?Dec 02 01:55
wispyshe's digs deepDec 02 01:55
wispyshe*Dec 02 01:56
wispyhow does she find all that stuff?Dec 02 01:57
wispyshe's a super sleuthDec 02 01:57
schestowitzzoobab: see Grolaw news picks... hold onDec 02 01:57
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30/atta...Dec 02 01:58
wispythanks for the linkDec 02 01:59
schestowitzIt's a boring talk.Dec 02 02:01
wispykinda like some of the lectures at my schoolDec 02 02:02
wispylectures don't help me learn, i learn best by readingDec 02 02:02
schestowitzLectures justify payment to profsDec 02 02:03
schestowitzIt also makes them feel good about themselvesDec 02 02:03
wispyyea hahaDec 02 02:04
wispysome of my classes are really short, i guess the profs get bored tooDec 02 02:04
wispyXDDec 02 02:04
schestowitzOK, i'm being too cynical here, but let's face it: many things that are traditionally done in academia are a Jurassic age. They could use the Web. People don't require books, data is better indexed electronically and we don't need conferences overseas ans libraries to store volumes.Dec 02 02:04
wispylibraries have a charm to them, that's one thing good about them :)Dec 02 02:05
wispybut i agree royDec 02 02:05
wispythe kindle is a good ideaDec 02 02:06
schestowitzYoung generations haven't the nostalgia of libsDec 02 02:06
schestowitzI don't even use pen and paper anymor.eDec 02 02:06
wispytextbooks are priced harshly, electronic versions should push prices downDec 02 02:06
zoobabsomeone should create online university coursesDec 02 02:06
schestowitzPeople who grow up without it won't yearn for it.Dec 02 02:06
wispyi do hehe royDec 02 02:06
zoobabbecause university teachers are so badDec 02 02:06
schestowitzzoobab: yes, that's already been done, no?Dec 02 02:06
zoobabat teachingDec 02 02:06
wispyso true zoobabDec 02 02:07
schestowitztextbooks are a scheme like a pyramidDec 02 02:07
zoobabyes, but not free onesDec 02 02:07
schestowitzI can't recall the classic explanation.Dec 02 02:07
schestowitzBut it's like a cycle of money where unis pass lots of money in a closed system.Dec 02 02:07
schestowitzTuition fees too are like price0gouging.Dec 02 02:07
wispyugh tell me about it!  :(Dec 02 02:07
schestowitzSusbription to journals... IEEE at like 13k per yearDec 02 02:08
wispyi had this one economics book that was only one year old, and a new edition came outDec 02 02:08
schestowitzConference fees are high.Dec 02 02:08
wispyinsaneDec 02 02:08
schestowitzTuition is inflatedDec 02 02:08
wispyso i sold that book for $35 and i bought it for $110!Dec 02 02:08
wispywhat a lossDec 02 02:08
schestowitzAnd people must stock books to fund the same publications that publish their rubbishDec 02 02:09
wispyyep, in nj colleges are getting less support from the stateDec 02 02:09
wispythat hurts studentsDec 02 02:09
wispyso many textbooks i bought are written by profs that teach hereDec 02 02:10
wispyripoffDec 02 02:10
schestowitzNo, creating jobs.Dec 02 02:11
schestowitzBut this circulation fail to workDec 02 02:11
schestowitzLong-term..Dec 02 02:11
schestowitzWatch how the ecnomy collapsesDec 02 02:11
schestowitzPoor students suffer a lotDec 02 02:11
schestowitzI can't imagine that it's good for research grants (low priority)Dec 02 02:11
wispyyes it's sadDec 02 02:12
schestowitzA friend of mine is a furious professor who saw this coming.Dec 02 02:12
wispymy family is quite well off, but i hate money being spent needlessly on tuition and booksDec 02 02:12
schestowitzHe's actually the one who encouraged me to apply for a PhD in Cambridge back in 2002Dec 02 02:12
schestowitzHe is one among many who will suffer from this economic blastDec 02 02:13
wispyawwwwDec 02 02:13
wispyso is he your mentor?Dec 02 02:13
schestowitzSoup kitchens come before "I'd like to toy around with some tubes and chemicals"Dec 02 02:13
schestowitzNo, he's not.Dec 02 02:13
schestowitzHe's in infectious disease (pure medicine)Dec 02 02:13
wispyah i seeDec 02 02:14
wispytubes and chemicals lead to ground breaking advances, so there should be *some* fundingDec 02 02:14
wispybut the govt does not realize thisDec 02 02:14
schestowitzIt's not a priorityDec 02 02:15
schestowitzThe world needs water, food, deflation in birth (through control)Dec 02 02:15
schestowitzOr rlse it's heading towards massive disasterDec 02 02:16
schestowitzCure for disease is peanuts compared to deaths from starvation and warDec 02 02:16
wispyuh ohDec 02 02:16
wispystarvation is a big problem for young childrenDec 02 02:17
wispythey are so weak and need to grow but they can'tDec 02 02:17
schestowitzIt leads to warDec 02 02:18
schestowitzLack or water -> warDec 02 02:18
wispythroughout history, people fought many wars because of resourcesDec 02 02:19
wispyi learned that in my environmental history classDec 02 02:19
schestowitzOil anyone?Dec 02 02:20
wispyheheDec 02 02:21
wispyso roy, do you live in an apartment or a house?  i still live in a dormDec 02 02:22
schestowitzApartmentDec 02 02:24
twitterHeh, Universities are still good for research and conferences are still interesting.Dec 02 02:24
schestowitzIt's like islands.Dec 02 02:24
schestowitzIn a world of crime and dogs (that eat dogs ;-) )Dec 02 02:24
wispyhaha coolDec 02 02:25
twitterI have yet to find a good substitute for a chalk board to get work done with a few clued people.Dec 02 02:25
wispyhey twitterDec 02 02:25
twitterhelloDec 02 02:25
twitterIt's also helpful to have all sorts of specialists in walking distance.Dec 02 02:26
wispyi have a small chalkboard at home, but i got it when i was 9Dec 02 02:26
wispymy little sister drew on a part of it with markerDec 02 02:26
wispyso she sort of damaged itDec 02 02:26
twitterMasonite + Chalkboard paint = 8x4' chalk board.  If you do it with white board on the other side, you have a dual purpose board.Dec 02 02:26
twitterit works well if you get good paint.Dec 02 02:27
wispyyeah there was a whiteboard on the other sideDec 02 02:27
wispynot sure why she didnt use thatDec 02 02:27
wispy:SDec 02 02:27
twitterink stinksDec 02 02:27
wispycool twitterDec 02 02:27
wispythat rhymesDec 02 02:27
wispylolDec 02 02:27
twitterThe physics department here used to have a huge bunch of sliding blackboards.  That was good for problem solving.Dec 02 02:28
twitterTwo boards wide, three deep.Dec 02 02:28
wispywhen i took honors physics in high school 3 years ago, we had sliding white boardsDec 02 02:28
wispysame here twitterDec 02 02:29
wispyactually two deepDec 02 02:29
wispyfor meDec 02 02:29
twitterHere's bad news.  France seems to have it's 3 strikes law back.  http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...Dec 02 02:32
twitterThis Nicolas Sarkozy is really a disaster.  He's the same guy who's undoing the 35 hour a week laws and other cool stuff.  I hope he tries to mess with food purity, so that people will kick him out.Dec 02 02:33
twittermy kids are calling me.  good night.Dec 02 02:34
wispysee ya!Dec 02 02:34
wispythanks for the link, twitterDec 02 02:34
wispyRoy, it was great talking to you.  I have to go, too.  I'll be back for another nice chat session.  Bye!Dec 02 02:36
schestowitzSarkozy is corruptionDec 02 02:36
schestowitzThe guy is troubleDec 02 02:36
schestowitzWhite collar crime with a crown on his head.Dec 02 02:36
wispyHe's mean.Dec 02 02:36
wispyoh i thought you left, so i was going to leave tooDec 02 02:37
wispyI forgot to say "hi" to logger_bot.Dec 02 02:38
wispyHi, logger_bot!Dec 02 02:38
schestowitzHehDec 02 02:40
schestowitzHe's deafDec 02 02:40
schestowitzI'm always here.Dec 02 02:40
wispythat's good that you're here for us :)Dec 02 02:41
wispyso committedDec 02 02:41
wispylogger_bot is still cool to meDec 02 02:41
schestowitzThere's this nnoying stalker in BNDec 02 02:43
schestowitzHe stalks twitter mostly.Dec 02 02:43
schestowitzNow he's flooding the site with abuse.Dec 02 02:43
schestowitzI'm waiting for that thing to go awayDec 02 02:43
schestowitzSince we don't censor and I can't be botherDec 02 02:43
schestowitzAs I said before, f* vandalsDec 02 02:44
wispyhear, hear!Dec 02 02:44
schestowitzBunch of people's whose life goal is to ruin sites.Dec 02 02:44
wispydid he just come?Dec 02 02:44
schestowitzYesDec 02 02:44
wispythat's a sad lifeDec 02 02:44
wispydarnDec 02 02:44
schestowitzThey ruin Slashdot tooDec 02 02:44
schestowitzWhich is why the site dives.Dec 02 02:44
wispyleave us alone!Dec 02 02:44
wispyargghhhDec 02 02:44
wispyhey roy, what is that blue fish for?Dec 02 02:45
wispythat iconDec 02 02:45
schestowitzI thought about changing itDec 02 02:47
schestowitzIt's standard GNOME icon.Dec 02 02:47
wispyit's cuteDec 02 02:47
wispykeep it :)Dec 02 02:47
schestowitzIt became symbolic for the links.Dec 02 02:47
schestowitzI can't change this footprint now.Dec 02 02:47
wispyif that's the case, i suggest not changing itDec 02 02:48
wispyi am a fish owner, and my koi are over a foot longDec 02 02:48
wispythey have lovely demeanors, and they come up to me when they are hungryDec 02 02:48
wispykoi are friendly fishDec 02 02:49
wispybrbDec 02 02:51
schestowitzCot fish.Dec 02 02:52
schestowitz*CoyDec 02 02:52
wispyhi againDec 02 02:53
wispyyou have some?Dec 02 02:53
wispyyea they are coy ;)Dec 02 02:53
wispyi'm off, Roy.  See you soon!Dec 02 02:57
schestowitzOkay, I'm done soon tooDec 02 02:57
wispytake care!  ^__^Dec 02 02:59
wispyxxDec 02 02:59
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