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02.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 24th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 11:15 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/13/soviet-… Feb 24 00:08
Balrog_ yeah I read that blog. The author tends to be rather biased in favor of apple, but what he says makes sense Feb 24 00:15
Balrog_ apple certainly is better than microsoft in many regards. they’re no saints though Feb 24 00:16
Balrog_ (read in the present case) Feb 24 00:17
Balrog_ tense ** Feb 24 00:17
MinceR and they’re worse than microsoft in other regards Feb 24 00:18
schestowitz Yes Feb 24 00:18
schestowitz Roughly Drafted vilifies the other evil Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz Like two foorball tema Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz One company against another Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz Nothing to do with frredo Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz Just ego battles Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz Like “penis envy”, to use the Freudian term Feb 24 00:19
schestowitz Mac vs PC Feb 24 00:19
Balrog_ though stuff like DRM and blocking debuggers ….. well that’s probably a term of the license they signed with the media providers ….. and the DVD licensing groups Feb 24 00:20
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Balrog_ (Vista blocks access to kernel memory in the name of DRM, I believe) Feb 24 00:21
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schestowitz wb, twitter Feb 24 00:22
schestowitz Balrog: Many people mis-perceived the Linux vs Windows situation Feb 24 00:22
schestowitz They also think of it as “Linux”, the ‘cheap’ operating system Feb 24 00:23
Balrog_ Yes. They think it’s mac vs. PC Feb 24 00:23
twitter been away for a while, anything really interesting happen over the last two days? Feb 24 00:23
Balrog_ when it’s not really that way Feb 24 00:23
schestowitz This is disregard from the raison detre of the system Feb 24 00:23
schestowitz It’s not brand competing (like Mac and PC) Feb 24 00:23
Balrog_ and Linux isn’t a “cheap” OS exactly Feb 24 00:23
schestowitz It’s philosophies or ways of life Feb 24 00:23
twitter the only thing more expensive than freedom is slavery. Feb 24 00:24
Balrog_ yes. Feb 24 00:24
twitter GNU/Linux is about as cheap as software gets. Feb 24 00:24
MinceR War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery. ;) Feb 24 00:24
twitter Unlimited potential Feb 24 00:24
Balrog_ the word cheap gives the impression of low quality Feb 24 00:24
schestowitz One side encourages sharing of our ideas. The other one encourages marginalising the poor. Feb 24 00:25
twitter that’s why it’s good to use the word “free” Feb 24 00:25
schestowitz Basically, one promotes helping neighbours (cooperation) Feb 24 00:25
schestowitz The other is dog-eat-dog, which extreme capitalism glamorises anyway Feb 24 00:25
schestowitz “it’s my IP” Feb 24 00:25
Balrog_ well we’ll see what happens with this iphone business. I think it’s a little early to draw into conclusions… Feb 24 00:26
Balrog_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protec… Feb 24 00:26
schestowitz MinceR: “you’re eat your worms and you *will* like them” Feb 24 00:26
Balrog_ about vista’s kernel Feb 24 00:26
schestowitz *you’ll Feb 24 00:26
twitter Vista is dead. Feb 24 00:27
schestowitz twitter: unlimited potential [to  harm children] Feb 24 00:27
Balrog_ but windows 7? same story Feb 24 00:27
schestowitz Not in the minds of people Feb 24 00:27
schestowitz Lots of money in the hype mill Feb 24 00:27
twitter the phrase sounded like something Eric Blair would have liked. Feb 24 00:28
schestowitz PR people orchestrating it Feb 24 00:28
Balrog_ well the media can say whatever they want, but when it hits the market, if it sucks, people will hate it Feb 24 00:28
twitter They have been singing for years.  More than two since launch…. fail. Feb 24 00:28
schestowitz Vocabularies run thin Feb 24 00:28
schestowitz People’s associations too Feb 24 00:29
schestowitz People are indoctrinated until they really believe that “free” means bad.. Feb 24 00:29
schestowitz Unless you’re a “beggar” Feb 24 00:29
twitter Or that free means, “came with the computer” Feb 24 00:29
schestowitz “Community” is sometimes a bad word too Feb 24 00:29
schestowitz It’s similar to “communism” (=Russia, USSR = bad in people’s minds) Feb 24 00:30
Balrog_ that’s one place where Apple doesn’t seem to be causing problems… Feb 24 00:30
schestowitz Sharing means “piracy” Feb 24 00:30
twitter yes, there’s lots of hate built into the word “community” now. Feb 24 00:30
schestowitz Means raping and stuff.. Feb 24 00:30
Balrog_ russian-style communism is really totalitarianism Feb 24 00:30
schestowitz “Community” is now perceived like “protest” Feb 24 00:30
schestowitz As in “The community is burning effigies new your neighbourhood” Feb 24 00:31
schestowitz *near Feb 24 00:31
schestowitz Balrog: or socialism… Marxism just being a part of it Feb 24 00:31
Balrog_ well I haven’t heard that terminology yet. Feb 24 00:31
twitter Black activists used the term “community” a lot before the internet.  Broadcasters cut and pasted things together to make them look like idiots and made fun of the word. Feb 24 00:31
schestowitz The meaning of Libertarian was invested too Feb 24 00:31
schestowitz So that people cannot describe themselves in this way Feb 24 00:31
schestowitz Diluting vocabularies. Feb 24 00:31
Balrog_ yeah :/ Feb 24 00:31
twitter tainting vocabulary Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz Films intill images Feb 24 00:32
Balrog_ the thing with free software is that if you don’t want to participate, you don’t have to Feb 24 00:32
Balrog_ people don’t get that Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz They dig dowqn into people’s suppressed emotions. Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz Brainwashing the masses That’s what celebrities are partly about… Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz To an extent Feb 24 00:32
Balrog_ yeah. Feb 24 00:32
twitter they create fear Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz Set up role model Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz Then use them to call new rules Feb 24 00:32
schestowitz Demonstrations can be shown as “Secary” Feb 24 00:33
schestowitz Which daemonises unions Feb 24 00:33
schestowitz And suppressed democratising forces like labour unions. Feb 24 00:33
schestowitz Without democratising forces, it’s somehing else altogether Feb 24 00:33
schestowitz No referendums… just elections once in 4 years.. pseudo-elections run by the business community that funds them. Feb 24 00:33
schestowitz Once in 4 years, they put on ‘the show of democracy”… like the Olympic games :-) Feb 24 00:34
twitter shock and awe Feb 24 00:35
MinceR funny thing, the ussr never even got close to implementing communism Feb 24 00:37
MinceR all they’ve managed to do was a socialist dictatorship Feb 24 00:37
twitter byzantine managed economy Feb 24 00:38
schestowitz What about Cuba? Feb 24 00:38
Balrog_ read Animal Farm by orwell? Feb 24 00:39
Balrog_ he was a socialist by the way Feb 24 00:39
schestowitz I should, but haven’t Feb 24 00:39
schestowitz Cuba faces economic strangulations from just one country in the entire world. Feb 24 00:39
schestowitz BuShA Feb 24 00:39
schestowitz Obama will hopefully mend this Feb 24 00:39
schestowitz As well as get rid of the torture ‘states’. Feb 24 00:40
Balrog_ don’t have high hopes in obama though Feb 24 00:40
MinceR cuba is the same as ussr, it only lasts longer. Feb 24 00:40
MinceR i don’t trust obama either Feb 24 00:41
Balrog_ cuba is smaller, and doesn’t kill millions of people Feb 24 00:41
MinceR he’s a corporate puppet, he does whatever money tells him to. Feb 24 00:41
MinceR cuba doesn’t kill millions of people because they can’t afford it Feb 24 00:42
MinceR they’ve successfully bombed their economy to shreds with their planned economy Feb 24 00:42
schestowitz me neither Feb 24 00:42
MinceR and they didn’t have the natural resources the ussr did Feb 24 00:42
schestowitz when he hired with MAFIAA type at Biden’s request, then it deserves to be called OBAMAA Feb 24 00:42
Balrog_ yes Feb 24 00:43
MinceR :) Feb 24 00:43
schestowitz But some people love him Feb 24 00:43
schestowitz McBush would have been worse Feb 24 00:43
Balrog_ Cuba isn’t any better than the USSR Feb 24 00:43
MinceR some people love ballmer, some people love gates, some people love jobs Feb 24 00:43
Balrog_ heh. I didn’t like him Feb 24 00:43
MinceR people are stupid. Feb 24 00:43
Balrog_ I think all these people have flaws Feb 24 00:43
schestowitz    > Balrog_> Cuba isn’t any better than the USSR Feb 24 00:44
Balrog_ though ballmer is pretty obvious Feb 24 00:44
schestowitz Just how bad is USSR? Feb 24 00:44
schestowitz Compared to others… Feb 24 00:44
schestowitz I mean, USA and UK have colonialised for ages Feb 24 00:44
schestowitz But the countries tell the stories differently in the English language Feb 24 00:44
Balrog_ killing 10s of millions of people for no reason …. Feb 24 00:44
schestowitz That’s Stalin. Feb 24 00:45
Balrog_ USA and UK treated slaves badly too Feb 24 00:45
Balrog_ yeah. Stalin was behind the USSR Feb 24 00:45
schestowitz China built the US to a degree. Railroads and all (I exaggerate here) Feb 24 00:45
schestowitz The whole country was hijacked from natives too Feb 24 00:45
Balrog_ or rather Chinese immigrants Feb 24 00:45
schestowitz Yes Feb 24 00:45
schestowitz Indians too have origins there Feb 24 00:46
schestowitz ‘Indians’ rather Feb 24 00:46
Balrog_ the US (as it is now) was built by immigrants Feb 24 00:46
schestowitz They didn’t have gunpowder on time. Feb 24 00:46
MinceR gn Feb 24 00:54
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mib_pj87jn hi all Feb 24 02:04
schestowitz Hey there. Feb 24 02:04
schestowitz What’s up? Feb 24 02:04
mib_pj87jn just finished my homework Feb 24 02:05
mib_pj87jn got a book to learn c programming Feb 24 02:05
mib_pj87jn so I can help linux Feb 24 02:05
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schestowitz The kernel? Feb 24 02:05
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mib_pj87jn yea Feb 24 02:06
schestowitz it’s among the best known examples of C projects Feb 24 02:06
schestowitz http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp… Feb 24 02:06
mib_pj87jn oh Feb 24 02:07
mib_pj87jn the book i got is actually c++ I think Feb 24 02:08
mib_pj87jn lemme check Feb 24 02:08
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mib_pj87jn crap, left it at school I think Feb 24 02:09
Balrog_ linux is a lot of C++ too Feb 24 02:09
schestowitz Digital books are handy. You can copy and paste to run and hack. Feb 24 02:09
schestowitz Balrog: it does? Feb 24 02:10
schestowitz Maybe in some modules, not the core..? Feb 24 02:10
mib_pj87jn so is c++ ok then? Feb 24 02:11
mib_pj87jn or should I return the book and get one for c? Feb 24 02:12
schestowitz Yes, it is. Feb 24 02:13
schestowitz There are many options, but it’s not syntax that count Feb 24 02:13
schestowitz *counts Feb 24 02:13
schestowitz It’s about understanding methods and programming patterns. Feb 24 02:14
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mib_pj87jn no idea what those are but ok Feb 24 02:16
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schestowitz mib_pj87jn: http://www.amazon.com/Design-Patterns-Object-… Feb 24 02:19
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mib_pj87jn thanks Feb 24 02:22
mib_pj87jn hopefully the library has that one Feb 24 02:22
schestowitz It’s very commons one.. many libraries might have it in stock. Feb 24 02:26
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mib_pj87jn have you heard of stackoverflow.com? Feb 24 02:37
mib_pj87jn friend told me it’s good Feb 24 02:37
mib_pj87jn for programming questions Feb 24 02:37
schestowitz I haven’t heard of it, sorry. Feb 24 02:42
schestowitz It’s useful to learn from experience Feb 24 02:42
schestowitz Hacking on existing code, like RMS would suggest too. Download some KDE code and look through it… Feb 24 02:42
mib_pj87jn yea, I tried that but it’s too confusing Feb 24 02:45
schestowitz Class names not familiar? Feb 24 02:46
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qoW… on US propaganda Feb 24 02:47
mib_pj87jn just hard to understand what lines were doing Feb 24 02:48
twitter funny Feb 24 02:48
twitter “In the normal course of business, we may underpay or overpay in a bonus situation,” said Lisa Brummel, the senior vice president of human resources for Microsoft. Feb 24 02:48
twitter They must use their own software to calculate pay. Feb 24 02:48
twitter is there something you would like to have working better, mib? Feb 24 02:50
twitter making small changes to existing code is a good way to learn Feb 24 02:50
twitter I think you can get K and R C without charge now Feb 24 02:51
schestowitz I thought about taking the task of writing patches for bug report Feb 24 02:54
schestowitz Learning while helping millions of users Feb 24 02:54
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64P… skip to minute 3. Feb 24 03:00
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hackers_125 hai all Feb 24 04:12
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-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, In a few moment two of our ircd servers (denis and lindbohm) will be going down for scheduled maintenance, affected users are in the region of 1400. The downtime shouldn’t be particularly substantial. Apologies for the inconvenience, thank you for flying freenode and have a good day! Feb 24 08:56
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schestowitz “Jupitermedia is changing its name to “WebMediaBrands Inc.” The announcement comes along with the official sale of Jupiterimages to Getty Images for $96 million in cash.” http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/23/ju… Feb 24 09:52
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/23/fo… Feb 24 09:53
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schestowitz Ahhh! I found out what caused the tabbing issue… stupid theme was broken Feb 24 10:02
MinceR geekings Feb 24 10:05
oiaohm Hi all Feb 24 10:07
schestowitz Hey Feb 24 10:08
oiaohm My normal machine is now felling like normal that it does not have 8 harddrives connected. Feb 24 10:08
schestowitz Good news to Linux this week Feb 24 10:08
schestowitz :-) 8? Feb 24 10:08
schestowitz SupeRAID Feb 24 10:08
oiaohm Data recovery. Feb 24 10:10
oiaohm Main OS takes 2 on raid mirror raid so its stable. Feb 24 10:10
oiaohm 2 disks from a raid I imaged from onto another 2 drives. Feb 24 10:11
oiaohm and 2 drives for testing rebuilds on. Feb 24 10:11
oiaohm Yep does not take long to being in harddrive hell doing recoveries. Feb 24 10:11
schestowitz Sounds like fun Feb 24 10:13
schestowitz brb Feb 24 10:13
schestowitz Tobaco Company Offers Perks to British Parliamentary Aides  < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8229 > Feb 24 10:26
oiaohm Exacty what do you call the best news this week schestowitz Feb 24 10:28
schestowitz Not sure about “best”, but whilst Microsoft and Apple are in a standstill, Linux made many big announcements and releases. Feb 24 10:31
oiaohm X11 1.6.0 in final shake down. Feb 24 10:32
oiaohm I the best of me. Feb 24 10:32
oiaohm I/IS Feb 24 10:32
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schestowitz Hey, cyad Feb 24 10:42
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schestowitz I’ve asked the 451 Group who sponsors them. 3 people, no answer… so they would rather not say who buys influence from them. And they visited Redmond last year, which is why this seemed necessary. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/09/rav… Feb 24 10:53
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oiaohm http://officeshots.org/  Interesting idea. Feb 24 11:18
schestowitz http://browsershots.org/ Feb 24 11:22
oiaohm before browser shots there aways had been browser compare sites. Feb 24 11:23
oiaohm I cannot think of a site that compared Office programs format compadiblity before. Feb 24 11:23
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schestowitz And Now It’s Twitter That’s Evil < http://techdirt.com/articles/20… > Feb 24 11:50
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schestowitz Jobs to skip Apple shareholders meeting < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/24/jobs… >. Apple has been eerily quiet recently… no news, nothing of substance, slowing business. Feb 24 11:56
trmanco meh, know what… Gmail is down Feb 24 11:56
trmanco http://mashable.com/2009/02/24/gma… Feb 24 11:57
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schestowitz Soon will come the Microsoft talking points with FUD like “that’s why ‘clouds’ are no good” Feb 24 12:00
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trmanco schestowitz, it is working fine Feb 24 12:00
trmanco if you access it via IMAP it works, people are just to dependent on the web interface Feb 24 12:01
trmanco http://mashable.com/2009/02/24/gma… Feb 24 12:01
trmanco oh crap Feb 24 12:01
trmanco sorry for the dupe link Feb 24 12:01
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schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/old/conte… “Perspective: Hollywood is talking off the record about its real reason for wanting DRM?opportunities to sell you back your rights.” Feb 24 12:36
oiaohm http://globalscaletechnologies.com/t-she…  Wonder how long before they embed networking over power into this. Feb 24 12:52
schestowitz Interesting chart: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/02/how-… Feb 24 12:55
schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/us/politi… “An article last Sunday about Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, misspelled the surname of the then-governor of Illinois who talked with Mr. Emanuel about the vacant Senate seat in his state. He is Rod R. Blagojevich, not Blogojevich.” Feb 24 13:02
schestowitz We got cited in Beta News: “One developer contended in the Boycott Novell blog that, “as time goes by, Novell becomes more and more like a reflection of Microsoft, especially in the technical sense.”” Feb 24 13:08
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schestowitz trmanco: I told you. Microsoft folks (Kelly Fiveash ) uses Google downtime to slam ‘the cloud’: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… Feb 24 13:38
schestowitz “UK network operator Vodafone has confirmed it is laying off 500 staff in its continuing effort to cut costs in the face of falling profits.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/… Feb 24 13:39
trmanco schestowitz, you talking about this-> “Updated Google’s Gmail has once again plummeted out of the cloud and the company is scurrying to fix the problem nearly an hour after it went titsup.” Feb 24 13:39
trmanco right? Feb 24 13:39
schestowitz Yeah, whatever they say to reduce confidence in Google. it’s always the MSFTers who use this as slime opportunity. But not when ms.com and live/msn are down… Feb 24 13:40
trmanco schestowitz, It never been down Feb 24 13:40
trmanco IMAP is working, and I’m sure pop was working too Feb 24 13:41
schestowitz Nokia takes $.6 bn.. < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > probably shows they bet the farm on Symbian Feb 24 13:41
trmanco the SMTP server was also working at well, people have to shut up and search for alternatives to access Gmail when this happens Feb 24 13:41
schestowitz To a lot of people, E-mail is Blue E Feb 24 13:41
trmanco and some people should also stop being web-o-dependent Feb 24 13:42
trmanco Blue E for what? Exchange? Feb 24 13:42
schestowitz “Flash memory maker Spansion is cutting approximately 3,000 jobs, or 35 per cent of its workforce.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02… Feb 24 13:42
schestowitz trmanco: Explorer. They use Web mail. Feb 24 13:42
trmanco the 502 error is related to load issues Feb 24 13:43
trmanco maybe Google forgot to do some maintenance Feb 24 13:43
schestowitz MS PR blunder: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1… Feb 24 13:44
schestowitz Gmail down and out  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > Feb 24 13:45
schestowitz Webmail down, not Gmail Feb 24 13:45
schestowitz ” pop3 & smtp works “ Feb 24 13:45
schestowitz (from the comments) Feb 24 13:45
trmanco and IMAP too Feb 24 13:45
schestowitz “Yeah, Gmail stopped working for 2 hours. Bit of a storm in a tea cup. Who cares if I can’t access my mail for an hour or two. Considering the fact that the global economy has collapsed it’s a small relief to be email free for a morning. Cup of tea anyone? “ Feb 24 13:46
schestowitz Microsofters catch every moment of Google downtime, to capture and dramatise Feb 24 13:46
schestowitz Doug has been posting in USENET about several Microsoft downtimes in the past week. I was also to reproduce… it was down badly. Feb 24 13:47
oiaohm Hot mail was off line for a week once Feb 24 13:47
oiaohm So I really don’t see where MS guys can speek. Feb 24 13:47
schestowitz OMG. Look at this picture: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/129/10511… Feb 24 13:47
schestowitz Isn’t face-twisting a little over the line? It’s like Elephant Man.. Feb 24 13:48
schestowitz oiaohm: what year? I didn’t know that Feb 24 13:48
trmanco I was to late to confirm if there was MS downtimes or not Feb 24 13:48
trmanco hotmail is a real piece of shit compared to Gmail Feb 24 13:49
trmanco hotmail«s spam filter sucks, it doesn’t know the difference between real spam and legit email 90% of the times Feb 24 13:50
trmanco no imap access, they have pop access I think, but are we still living in the computer ice age? Feb 24 13:50
schestowitz They blocked Pop3 after a while I think… or was it Yahoo? Feb 24 13:51
schestowitz I had a Yahoo mail account around 1999-2001, I think Feb 24 13:52
schestowitz Then they stopped Pop3. Feb 24 13:52
trmanco I don’t recall Yahoo having pop3 access at all, maybe I’m living under e rock? :-P Feb 24 13:52
schestowitz They could still offer POP3 to high-paying customers Feb 24 13:52
schestowitz trmanco: no, they stopped it when you were like 11 :-D Feb 24 13:52
trmanco yeah, I opened up a yahoo account 4 years after that Feb 24 13:52
trmanco of yeah Feb 24 13:53
trmanco :-P Feb 24 13:53
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trmanco oh* Feb 24 13:53
schestowitz So I used my CS account for a while, then registered schestowitz.com after someone advised me to Feb 24 13:53
schestowitz With your own domain you can set up different accounts (say.. 22 in my case) and manage the routing based on addresses) Feb 24 13:54
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… Feb 24 13:55
trmanco wow Feb 24 13:56
trmanco 2.5 years Feb 24 13:56
trmanco outlook is bloated Feb 24 13:57
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/… Feb 24 13:58
schestowitz I really forgot just how much I sued to write in a personal blog many years back.. the same still holds true.. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archive… Feb 24 13:59
schestowitz MSBBC also with the FUD:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech… Feb 24 14:00
schestowitz “MPs are getting more adept at using the internet – but they tend to see it as way of talking to rather than hearing from voters, new research suggests.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi… Feb 24 14:00
trmanco ah Horde Feb 24 14:01
trmanco this is what my ISP contributes Feb 24 14:01
trmanco and uses on there Email service Feb 24 14:01
schestowitz Horde is not fast, but i spent hundreds of hours on it.. it’s decent if you move a lot Feb 24 14:03
schestowitz Also, bear in mind that was in 2004ish (until 2007), so the options available at the time were different. I was working from 3 different locations back then… home, work, university. Feb 24 14:03
trmanco I like roundcube Feb 24 14:04
trmanco http://roundcube.net/ Feb 24 14:04
oiaohm When Microsoft took over hotmail schestowitz Feb 24 14:05
oiaohm There was a nice big server screwup. Feb 24 14:05
oiaohm They tried raidly coverent a freebsd system ie hotmail to windows servers. Feb 24 14:06
trmanco yeah I was told this some time ago Feb 24 14:07
schestowitz Can A Link, By Itself, Be Copyright Infringement? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090223/0214513863.shtml > Feb 24 14:08
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schestowitz tanderson: doyou know Tiago Manco < http://digg.com/users/tyagv >? He just added me as a friend. Feb 24 14:20
trmanco schestowitz, that is my a family relative of mine Feb 24 14:21
trmanco I share your BN posts with him Feb 24 14:22
trmanco he likes what you write too Feb 24 14:22
trmanco remove my* Feb 24 14:22
schestowitz Cool, thanks. Feb 24 14:22
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schestowitz Firefox 3.1 Won’t Ship This Quarter < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160045/firef… > Feb 24 14:25
trmanco ahh crap Feb 24 14:26
schestowitz Micron to Lay off as Many as 2,000 in Boise < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160067/micro… > Feb 24 14:26
trmanco it probably won’t make it into Jaunty (Stable build) Feb 24 14:27
schestowitz I want Ogg support in the browser already ) Feb 24 14:27
trmanco so do I Feb 24 14:27
trmanco and faster javascript Feb 24 14:27
schestowitz Mandriva only moved in FF3 last week (well, at repo level) Feb 24 14:27
schestowitz JavaScript? You run that thing. :-) Feb 24 14:28
trmanco There are PPA’s out there with FF 3.1, but I don’t feel comfortable installing it just yet Feb 24 14:28
trmanco Of course I run Javascript :-P Feb 24 14:28
schestowitz This speeds JS up  a lot: http://noscript.net/ Feb 24 14:29
trmanco Worker threads sound promising Feb 24 14:29
trmanco yeah, adblock also increases page load time Feb 24 14:29
schestowitz Increases? Feb 24 14:32
trmanco sorry, decreases Feb 24 14:33
trmanco I was still thinking about javascript Feb 24 14:34
trmanco LOL Feb 24 15:24
trmanco Safari 4 is out Feb 24 15:24
trmanco it is worth mentioning because of it’s rendering engine Feb 24 15:24
MinceR yay, new version of the malware masquerading as a browser :> Feb 24 15:25
schestowitz The fanboits in Digg must be going wild… http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi… Feb 24 15:26
schestowitz *sunny typo there.. boi.. fanbot … Feb 24 15:26
MinceR :) Feb 24 15:27
schestowitz U.S. Stocks Close At 12-year Lows As Financial Worries Mount < http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/stocks-close–… > Feb 24 15:28
schestowitz Obama said there would be Change Feb 24 15:28
trmanco http://video.golem.de/desktop-applikationen/… Feb 24 15:28
MinceR where once was Banknote, now is Change Feb 24 15:29
*schestowitz thinks Shuttleworth must be busy because he’s never shaved in recent interviews Feb 24 15:30
trmanco LOL Feb 24 15:30
trmanco it’s his style Feb 24 15:30
schestowitz MinceR: “Change please” http://k43.pbase.com/u39/britishbe… Feb 24 15:32
MinceR indeed Feb 24 15:33
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa… Feb 24 15:33
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64Pgm-YJ4s&… skip to minute 3. Turns out that in  the great depression corporations were blamed as well, so propaganda from Bernays and other scum was invoked Feb 24 15:34
schestowitz It’s also interesting to see Goebbels and the US president there like a couple of chums exchanging ideas.. Feb 24 15:35
trmanco http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/… Feb 24 15:42
trmanco qq.com Feb 24 15:42
trmanco weird, it uses apache though Feb 24 15:42
trmanco IE 8 still does not resize text sized in pixels: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200902/ie_… Feb 24 15:44
trmanco say hello to figlet and toilet http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/create-large-c… Feb 24 15:55
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schestowitz *LOL* “echo ‘toilet -f mono12 -F metal nixCraft’ >> ~/.bashrc” Feb 24 15:59
schestowitz “toilet .. mono” Feb 24 15:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2… Feb 24 15:59
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trmanco oops Feb 24 16:01
trmanco :-P Feb 24 16:01
jose schestowitz, can you search for the conversation here several days back about the mono bug report to arch linux? Feb 24 16:01
balzac lart Feb 24 16:01
schestowitz yes Feb 24 16:01
jose i don’t have note of it because it was irc.. Feb 24 16:01
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/index.php?… Feb 24 16:02
schestowitz I’m not sure what to search for exactly. Feb 24 16:02
jose ok, i forgot.. search pulls things out of irc logs Feb 24 16:04
jose i’ll do it Feb 24 16:04
jose i found that search doesn’t pull things out of comments to blog postings Feb 24 16:04
jose will look for it now, but seems it was on the 13th Feb 24 16:06
schestowitz You can use Google search on the site (right hand side menu) Feb 24 16:09
jose http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/14/irc… Feb 24 16:10
jose i typed in freenode and searched a few pages or irc logs backwards Feb 24 16:11
jose yes, i do usually use google with site:www.boyc…. Feb 24 16:11
jose “usually” for a short time actually since i only started using the site tag recently seeing some examples of what you posted here Feb 24 16:12
jose ok, i did use google before.. just not without the site tag but i might add boycottnovell.com to the search Feb 24 16:13
balzac I’m going to watch that video series about mass persuasion Feb 24 16:14
schestowitz There are many like that. Truly disturbing. Feb 24 16:14
balzac well, there’s going to be group psychology in any context Feb 24 16:15
balzac the problem is when people have bad taste, or worse, no taste and no sense of humor Feb 24 16:15
balzac fascism and totalitarianism arise from life without style Feb 24 16:16
MinceR i think they arise for blatant disregard for freedom Feb 24 16:16
schestowitz Death by Poking? < http://www.linuxjournal.com/conte… > Feb 24 16:16
MinceR mostly on the part of the population Feb 24 16:16
balzac MinceR: they always claim to be liberators Feb 24 16:17
schestowitz Of course Feb 24 16:17
balzac they think freedom comes from destroying “degeneracy” Feb 24 16:17
schestowitz Even the propaganda is “to save democratic values” Feb 24 16:17
balzac which is how they view art and lifestyle Feb 24 16:17
schestowitz Which is funny because propaganda eliminates democracy Feb 24 16:17
schestowitz It tells people what to think and how to feel Feb 24 16:17
schestowitz “be scared… feel hateful of <them>… support our troops” Feb 24 16:18
MinceR balzac: then it might also come from not understanding what freedom is Feb 24 16:19
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trmanco why does Microsoft insist in knowing what security is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us… Feb 24 16:29
trmanco look how confusing it is to rewrite urls in .NET Feb 24 16:29
trmanco yet another hole in Excel http://www.h-online.com/security/Critica… Feb 24 16:31
schestowitz Yes, seen it :-) Feb 24 16:31
trmanco maybe this was the cause for microsoft to start asking for refunds to its ex-employees Feb 24 16:31
schestowitz I’ll add another to URL list: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160082/atta… Feb 24 16:31
trmanco “An unknown hacker, breeched there systems and changed some cells in excel” Feb 24 16:32
schestowitz trmanco: maybe they tried xlsx (or whatever extension happily accepts bugs as standards) Feb 24 16:32
schestowitz OOXML is a standretrard. Feb 24 16:33
schestowitz Look ma! No brown. http://www.junauza.com/2009/02/ubuntu-… Feb 24 16:33
trmanco “Impact:  A remote user can create an Excel file that, when loaded by the target user, will execute arbitrary code on the target user’s system.” Feb 24 16:34
trmanco Brown served Ubuntu for long Feb 24 16:34
MinceR finally the Age of Brown is over :> Feb 24 16:35
MinceR but what’s the new color? Feb 24 16:35
balzac I don’t like the beige skin-color Feb 24 16:35
MinceR my guess is green, but i haven’t seen any info on it Feb 24 16:35
balzac I don’t want my computer to look like various human skin-tones Feb 24 16:36
balzac Also, I find myself dropping gnome applications Feb 24 16:36
balzac I don’t want anti-aliasing on my terminal fonts, so I use xterm instead of gnome terminal Feb 24 16:36
trmanco I like brown, dark brown from the dark room theme Feb 24 16:37
balzac I don’t want the complicated, mouse-driven UI of xchat, so I use irssi Feb 24 16:37
trmanco irssi doesn’t fulfill my needs Feb 24 16:37
trmanco I’m in 18 channels spread across 3 networks Feb 24 16:38
trmanco I would prefer to use emacs+irc extension Feb 24 16:38
balzac irssi can handle 19 channels and multiple networks Feb 24 16:38
balzac I’ll have to check out erc more closely Feb 24 16:38
trmanco balzac, I know, but it is a little confusing Feb 24 16:39
balzac I use emacs every day, but it is deep Feb 24 16:39
balzac the shortcut key-bindings Feb 24 16:39
balzac ? Feb 24 16:39
MinceR i do want antialiasing :) Feb 24 16:39
MinceR irssi can handle hundreds of channels Feb 24 16:40
balzac yeah Feb 24 16:40
balzac but then you go beyond the key-board shortcuts which is a trivial matter Feb 24 16:40
MinceR you can make more shortcuts Feb 24 16:40
balzac you have to use special short-cuts to reach channels beyond 19 Feb 24 16:40
MinceR i have shortcuts up to window 52 (alt+shift+B) Feb 24 16:40
balzac i’m an irssi newb Feb 24 16:41
MinceR and /number aliases for even further Feb 24 16:41
balzac but I always pick great software and irssi is quite nice Feb 24 16:41
balzac I’m liking the colored fonts inside gnu screen Feb 24 16:42
trmanco yeah, shortcuts, I’m not very good at them (keyboard) Feb 24 16:42
balzac not sure why my bash sessions are lacking color in the gnu screen session… Feb 24 16:42
balzac irssi has colors inside screen Feb 24 16:43
balzac A new version of Bash has been released Feb 24 16:43
balzac it’s pretty exciting Feb 24 16:43
balzac I’m excited about emacs 23 as well Feb 24 16:45
balzac GNU POWER Feb 24 16:46
balzac HARD POWER Feb 24 16:46
trmanco yeah, aliased fonts Feb 24 16:48
trmanco anti-aliased * Feb 24 16:49
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balzac you’ve got to have a high resolution monitor or the anti-aliasing actually degrades readability Feb 24 16:52
MinceR there’s more to it than that, like correct hinting configuration Feb 24 16:54
MinceR but my laptop is 1920×1200 and most of my desktops are at 1680×1050 Feb 24 16:55
balzac well, I like xterm with the font-size set at the second from the largest Feb 24 16:56
balzac crisp, big, mono-space Feb 24 16:56
MinceR i like urxvt with “xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:size=14″ for irssi Feb 24 16:56
balzac dark bg, white or light-grey text Feb 24 16:56
MinceR and konsole with DejaVu Sans Mono at 11 for everything else Feb 24 16:57
trmanco meh, console g33ks :-P Feb 24 16:57
schestowitz n00bs :-) Feb 24 16:58
trmanco my console font is monospace Feb 24 16:58
trmanco at 12 px Feb 24 16:58
schestowitz L33t lxers user Word Feb 24 16:58
MinceR w3rd. Feb 24 16:58
trmanco anti-aliased I think Feb 24 16:58
schestowitz Word up! Feb 24 16:58
balzac any font which is not monospace is more for writers than programmers Feb 24 16:58
trmanco gr8 Feb 24 16:58
MinceR http://www.encyclopediadramatica… Feb 24 16:59
trmanco my text color is green and my background color is black Feb 24 16:59
MinceR i prefer most of my gui to be proportional Feb 24 16:59
MinceR but obviously it doesn’t make sense for a text terminal Feb 24 16:59
trmanco LOL Feb 24 16:59
trmanco nice image MinceR Feb 24 17:00
Balrog schestowitz: Supreme Court sides with Rambus Feb 24 17:00
balzac The column text operations are necessary Feb 24 17:01
Balrog http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… Feb 24 17:01
balzac now I’m trying to learn to use lynx or some other text-based browser Feb 24 17:02
trmanco balzac, use w3m Feb 24 17:02
trmanco :-P Feb 24 17:02
balzac for more efficient browsing sessions with time wasted on rendering pages Feb 24 17:02
MinceR links2 ftw Feb 24 17:02
Balrog what about elinks? Feb 24 17:02
balzac with *no* time wasted Feb 24 17:02
balzac MinceR: I’ll check it out Feb 24 17:03
Balrog (that’s what I use) Feb 24 17:03
balzac Also, I need to get handy with cURL for abusing web-services Feb 24 17:03
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trmanco balzac, preparing a DoS attack? Feb 24 17:04
trmanco :-p Feb 24 17:04
jose Balrog, that’s great news for Microsoft. Feb 24 17:04
balzac no, but I do want to automate my interactions with tedious web applications Feb 24 17:04
Balrog jose: about Rambus? Feb 24 17:04
jose yes Feb 24 17:05
Balrog so Rambus sneaking in patented standards is good? Feb 24 17:05
jose patented standards are heavenly for the sort of business they run Feb 24 17:05
jose not good at all.. for me and most everyone on the planet Feb 24 17:05
Balrog because the supreme court sided with Rambus Feb 24 17:06
jose it says something about standards orgs Feb 24 17:06
jose and trust Feb 24 17:06
jose now everyone will want to submarine their patents Feb 24 17:06
jose hope freedesktop.org remains relatively safe Feb 24 17:07
jose they adopt other’s standards though Feb 24 17:07
jose also lsb Feb 24 17:07
jose schestowitz, sjvn wrote about redhat coming back to the desktop scene in a formal and focused manner. Feb 24 17:09
jose to what extent is that exaggerated? Feb 24 17:09
jose i had heard they had backed out of that space Feb 24 17:10
jose cost-effectiveness Feb 24 17:10
jose the virtualization plays, advances in desktop, and various other things may have helped them re-evaluate Feb 24 17:11
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jose it’s strategic for them to have a formal desktop Feb 24 17:11
jose important to fight novell Feb 24 17:11
jose brandioch conner.. Feb 24 17:11
jose at the time wrote about how ubuntu would steal their lunch Feb 24 17:11
jose because they focused on desktops.. which got people to try it.. and then feel comfortable and move to the server. Feb 24 17:11
jose i know they have fedora, so not sure the significance despite being a good point Feb 24 17:12
jose anyway, rht apparently has always had a desktop offering Feb 24 17:12
jose they need to challenge microsoft+novell at the desktop Feb 24 17:12
jose the issue for them i guess is support Feb 24 17:13
trmanco https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyU… Feb 24 17:14
jose Balrog, not sure what you meant by your last comment, but i suppose instead of “planet” i should have said “those affected by this decision”.. it may help set a bad pattern like the software patents decision of decade or two ago. Feb 24 17:15
Balrog I get it now Feb 24 17:18
Balrog in any case, it’s not fully final Feb 24 17:19
schestowitz Balrog: yes, I write about Rambus right now. Feb 24 17:21
trmanco How long will guys think before Safari works in Wine? Feb 24 17:22
trmanco place your bets :-P Feb 24 17:23
schestowitz Send safari to the lions Feb 24 17:25
trmanco lions are in Africa Feb 24 17:26
MinceR why would anyone want to run safari in wine? Feb 24 17:31
trmanco to prove how good WINE is Feb 24 17:32
trmanco the more apps it runs, the better Feb 24 17:32
balzac why would anyone want to run safari? Feb 24 17:32
trmanco balzac, I dunno that one Feb 24 17:32
balzac well, wine will always be a couple steps behind the latest version Feb 24 17:32
balzac of windows Feb 24 17:32
balzac it provides the opportunity to legally run windows apps without a windows license Feb 24 17:33
trmanco oh yeah, but it always catches up at the end Feb 24 17:33
balzac which is nice as a method of under-cutting M$ revenue Feb 24 17:33
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MrMidland Hi Roy, Feb 24 17:39
MrMidland On my way to gym from work Feb 24 17:39
MrMidland in the meantime here is another link………. Feb 24 17:40
MrMidland http://itulip.com/forums/showthread… Feb 24 17:40
Balrog you can use Webkit – GTK Feb 24 17:40
Balrog :P Feb 24 17:40
MrMidland ? Feb 24 17:41
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schestowitz Oops. Missed Mike’s entrance. Feb 24 17:51
kentma as the actress said to the bishop… Feb 24 17:52
schestowitz bbl Feb 24 18:01
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trmanco look at this comment: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments… Feb 24 19:12
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trmanco http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl… Feb 24 20:14
schestowitz hehe… “if (65535==65535) { install trojan; } else { don’t install trojan; }” Feb 24 20:23
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… Feb 24 20:23
schestowitz “I still portion a large part of the blame at Alan Greenspan who jacked up US interest rates 15 times in a row.” Feb 24 20:24
schestowitz “Of course that doesn’t excuse poor financial regulation and boss’s still getting rewarded for failure.” Feb 24 20:25
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… Feb 24 20:25
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trmanco loool Feb 24 20:41
trmanco schestowitz, have you seen that comment on /. Feb 24 20:41
trmanco ? Feb 24 20:41
schestowitz I saw a few Feb 24 20:45
trmanco http://tech.slashdot.org/comments… this one in specific Feb 24 20:46
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trmanco schestowitz, http://code.google.com/p/qt4dotnet/ Feb 24 20:56
trmanco doesn’t KDE usa (cute)? Feb 24 20:56
trmanco use* Feb 24 20:56
trmanco so Safari 4 does install already -> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17516 Feb 24 21:00
trmanco it just crashes on start up Feb 24 21:01
schestowitz trmanco: yes, interesting Feb 24 21:07
schestowitz How old is this project? Feb 24 21:07
schestowitz trmanco: yes, wine has good security policy. It shoots down malware Feb 24 21:08
trmanco LOL Feb 24 21:08
trmanco I don’t know, I saw the link on a mono list Feb 24 21:09
trmanco it looks recent Feb 24 21:09
trmanco the introduction wiki page was written on the 3rd of February Feb 24 21:10
trmanco http://code.google.com/p/qt4dot… Feb 24 21:10
trmanco schestowitz, haha found it 2nd a February Feb 24 21:11
trmanco http://code.google.com/p/qt4dotnet… scroll to the end of the page Feb 24 21:12
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dav… Feb 24 21:12
schestowitz http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/340/60b Feb 24 21:12
schestowitz Provo, Utah Feb 24 21:12
schestowitz http://lists.opensuse.org/open… Feb 24 21:13
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=e… Feb 24 21:14
schestowitz he tries to being it to KDE maybe. See the KDE stuff there. Feb 24 21:14
trmanco I’m being attacked again Feb 24 21:14
trmanco lets see what I can do to really piss of somebody Feb 24 21:14
schestowitz http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Li… Feb 24 21:15
schestowitz “>I liked what Ron said. Feb 24 21:15
schestowitz > Feb 24 21:15
schestowitz > David.” Feb 24 21:15
schestowitz :-) The Munchkins go desperate Feb 24 21:15
schestowitz He work for them: http://www.elikirk.com/ Feb 24 21:18
schestowitz Not much there… http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2c… Feb 24 21:19
trmanco they did go stupid overnight Feb 24 21:20
schestowitz To his credit, I cam’t find a connection of interests, just a geographical correlation. Feb 24 21:30
trmanco http://dustinwilson.com/articles/2009/02… Feb 24 21:36
trmanco http://blogs.computerworld.com/… Feb 24 21:41
MinceR or anything google :> Feb 24 21:42
trmanco I like Google Feb 24 21:44
MinceR i hate google Feb 24 21:45
trmanco people nowadays all use Linux, indirectly Feb 24 21:45
trmanco so everybody that hits Google, is using Linux :-P Feb 24 21:46
schestowitz Same with most sites Feb 24 21:49
schestowitz People wrongly use Google as ‘the’ example that everyone ‘uses’ Linux Feb 24 21:50
MinceR google blatantly violates privacy rights and freedoms while claiming not to do evil Feb 24 21:50
schestowitz You could also just speak about DNS, which often runs BSD and Linux Feb 24 21:50
MinceR they also released google earth for linux which only works as root and has no uninstaller Feb 24 21:50
schestowitz Peopke do a lot more DNS queries than Google queries Feb 24 21:50
schestowitz And everyone uses DNS Feb 24 21:51
schestowitz MinceR: they don’t do evil. They say so Feb 24 21:51
MinceR :) Feb 24 21:51
trmanco it’s different Feb 24 21:51
schestowitz http://investor.google.com/conduct.html Feb 24 21:51
MinceR yeah, dns is reliable Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz How vain of them… Feb 24 21:52
MinceR also, it doesn’t collaborate with the chinese government to help censor information Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz “Investor Relations Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz Google Code of Conduct Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz Preface Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz “Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably and treating each other with respect.” Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz What a way TO BEGIN their investors relations page Feb 24 21:52
schestowitz It does smack of “defend yourtself first” Feb 24 21:53
schestowitz It carries on: “The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put “Don’t be evil” into practice. It’s built around the recognition that everything we do in connection with our work at Google will be, and should be, measured against the highest possible standards of ethical business conduct. “ Feb 24 21:54
schestowitz “We set the bar that high for practical as well as aspirational reasons: We hire great people who work hard to build great products, and it’s essential that we build an environment of trust – among ourselves and with our users. That trust and mutual respect underlie our success, and we need to earn it every day. “ Feb 24 21:54
schestowitz I think they listened only to investor when deciding to censor in China Feb 24 21:54
schestowitz Sure was the case in Yahoo!… Feb 24 21:54
schestowitz So they don’t do evil …………………………….. [to their investors] Feb 24 21:55
schestowitz Hence the location of the statement Feb 24 21:55
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schestowitz Ouch! “As I learned recently, „discuss“ lists silently drop all mails from non-subscribers. Oh dear! The only subscriber was /me, and so all my test mails made it through, but none of the (certainly billions) mails you sent. How awkward …” http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry… Feb 24 22:02
MinceR http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?… Feb 24 22:09
schestowitz IDG says: cherish the criminals who are responsible for destruction: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160086/microsoft_hopes_… Feb 24 22:11
schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/sta… “Given that Gmail is down, thank goodness there’s still Twitter so I can waste time not working” Feb 24 22:13
schestowitz MinceR: seen first comment? Vandals. Feb 24 22:13
MinceR i read at 0, except when i have mod points. Feb 24 22:14
schestowitz Theory goes: site succeeds; site has positive influence; greedy F*s trash site; site goes on blacklist (filter or mental/perception/reputation) Feb 24 22:15
schestowitz That’s why people advise that trolling BN needs to end. We had some today Feb 24 22:15
schestowitz Red Hat can make a decent desktop. It has RHEL and Fedora took good shape in Cambridge. [H]omer in this IRC channel recently became BLAG developer (Fedora without blobs, FSF approved) Feb 24 22:16
MinceR world wide blag! ;) Feb 24 22:17
schestowitz Journalists have run out of news: Google’s Atlantis Discovery Explained < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160088/googles_… > Feb 24 22:18
trmanco schestowitz, just moderate the comments Feb 24 22:18
schestowitz FOSS still gets news. It’s now company dependent :-D :-D Feb 24 22:18
schestowitz trmanco: define “moderate”. Hide? assign number? Red text? Feb 24 22:19
MinceR everyone knows Atlantis is in the Pegasus galaxy Feb 24 22:19
trmanco schestowitz, read the comments and approve the ones that are not trolling or not offensive Feb 24 22:19
schestowitz What do you make of this? http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic… Midori under another name? Feb 24 22:21
schestowitz trmanco: that’s comment deletion. It would be used against us. Feb 24 22:21
trmanco not really Feb 24 22:22
schestowitz Why not? Feb 24 22:22
trmanco when somebody becomes offensive, his freedom ends and his comment should not be approved Feb 24 22:23
schestowitz They’ll say that I delete stuff I disagree with. Feb 24 22:23
schestowitz There’s a difference between saying “you’re an ass” or “this is a conspiracy theory” Feb 24 22:23
trmanco so delete the ones that say that too Feb 24 22:23
trmanco I’m referring to the “you’re an ass” :-P Feb 24 22:24
schestowitz I thought about just using IRC instead of comments. People can enter it quickly Feb 24 22:24
schestowitz trmanco: most comments are not offensive, but they are mus-slingings Feb 24 22:24
schestowitz *mud Feb 24 22:24
trmanco what about trolling? Feb 24 22:24
trmanco the same thing applies Feb 24 22:25
trmanco imo Feb 24 22:25
trmanco or, create a comment policy Feb 24 22:26
trmanco :-P Feb 24 22:26
trmanco and use a “report offensive comment” link Feb 24 22:26
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trmanco ouch Feb 24 22:27
MinceR 232848 < MinceR> what i usually make of “brand new” microsoft os-es Feb 24 22:27
MinceR if it’s compatible with windows, it’s just as crap as windows, therefore dead Feb 24 22:28
trmanco LOL Feb 24 22:28
trmanco nice approach Feb 24 22:28
MinceR if it’s really new then it has to compete on nearly the same grounds as other non-windows os-es, therefore it’s dead Feb 24 22:28
MinceR since microsoft bases its os dominance on compatibility, they’re doomed Feb 24 22:29
MinceR if anyone believes they can finally come up with something new and great, they should think about vista, longhorn and winfs. Feb 24 22:30
schestowitz Hehe. Longhorn. Feb 24 22:32
schestowitz It become bullsh*t (as in Bull). Feb 24 22:32
MinceR they keep claiming “this time we’ve really come up with brand new, great tech!” and it always turns out to be hot air. Feb 24 22:32
schestowitz Bullshot emits hot air. Feb 24 22:34
schestowitz Microsoft should but Steam Feb 24 22:34
Balrog_ ? Feb 24 22:35
Balrog_ “Across the XP-Vista-Windows 7 landscape, Microsoft has fostered an ecosystem that now holds out the prospect of a mind-numbing number of incompatible drivers, unsupported devices, unsupported applications, unsupported data, patches, updates, upgrades, ‘known issues’ and unknown issues. Sound familiar? That’s what people used to say about Linux.’” Feb 24 22:36
Balrog_ http://tech.slashdot.org/articl… Feb 24 22:36
MinceR when, in 1990? Feb 24 22:36
Balrog_ that’s what people used to *say* Feb 24 22:36
Balrog_ and I do remember hearing it not many moons ago :p Feb 24 22:37
MinceR yeah, microsoft cultists still keep regurgitating this Feb 24 22:37
Balrog_ well, now it hits *windows* Feb 24 22:37
Balrog_ :D Feb 24 22:37
schestowitz Just now? Feb 24 22:39
Balrog_ I’ve seen it for ages Feb 24 22:40
trmanco maybe since the dos days Feb 24 22:41
Balrog_ since VxD / real mode / protected mode Feb 24 22:41
Balrog_ in Win95 Feb 24 22:41
schestowitz azerthoth hates freedom;.. attacking not just me but RMS too in a way: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view… Feb 24 22:43
schestowitz Pj doesn’t like LXer either because of such people who gave her grief. Feb 24 22:43
schestowitz Here come the responses to Microsoft FUD opportunism: Let’s Not Trash Cloud Computing Over Gmail Outage < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/e… > Feb 24 22:44
schestowitz MS Office already delayed: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2116 “However, last year, more than a few times execs slipped up and indicated Office 14 would ship in 2009.” Feb 24 22:44
trmanco zero day exploit did this Feb 24 22:44
schestowitz Na…… Feb 24 22:46
schestowitz Office= crime (OOXML corruptions) Feb 24 22:46
MinceR crime isn’t delayed :> Feb 24 22:46
schestowitz They should release Blood Edition (or Red Edition) to celebrate the damage they did to world’s trust for OOXML Feb 24 22:46
MinceR they should die Feb 24 22:47
schestowitz http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?r… “Apple is expected to lay off 400 to 500 workers this week…” Feb 24 22:49
schestowitz Just Apple. Feb 24 22:49
schestowitz Maybe they’ll find something useful to do.. not DRM and intellectual monopolies. Feb 24 22:49
*schestowitz high-fives MinceR? Feb 24 22:49
MinceR indeed. Feb 24 22:49
MinceR well, there are plenty of fields to till. Feb 24 22:50
schestowitz Novell might fire more. Feb 24 22:50
schestowitz This week even. Feb 24 22:50
schestowitz The world needs more oxygen Feb 24 22:50
schestowitz We need gardening. Feb 24 22:50
schestowitz That would be ” fields to till”… literally.. fields. Feb 24 22:50
MinceR and less people. Feb 24 22:50
MinceR at least until we can expand beyond Earth. Feb 24 22:51
schestowitz Religions encourage more peole Feb 24 22:51
schestowitz The more religious/extreme, the more important it becomes to have more kids Feb 24 22:51
MinceR and yes, i meant agriculture literally Feb 24 22:52
schestowitz Like its an expansion not of gene but of belief Feb 24 22:52
MinceR even if they’re clueless about IT, they might be able to learn how to use a hoe. Feb 24 22:52
schestowitz Oh,. Feb 24 22:52
schestowitz Fields to fill literally… makes ense. Feb 24 22:52
schestowitz Less driving. Feb 24 22:52
schestowitz There’s room for running machines to do a lot of the mechanical work anyway. Feb 24 22:53
*trmanco leg hurts Feb 24 22:53
*trmanco ‘s leg hurts Feb 24 22:53
trmanco ah Feb 24 22:53
schestowitz Buy a new one Feb 24 22:54
*trmanco can’t, it is not disposable like Windows Feb 24 22:54
*trmanco check COLA Feb 24 22:55
schestowitz What’s in COLA? Feb 24 22:57
schestowitz trmanco: http://openprosthetics.org/ Feb 24 22:58
trmanco you, some trolls, me, and a lot of advocates Feb 24 22:58
trmanco schestowitz, that’s sure going to be useful, I’ll get my leg replaced now ASAP :-P Feb 24 23:00
trmanco weird Feb 24 23:00
trmanco what kind of protocol is hrrp? Feb 24 23:01
trmanco Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because the protocol (hrrp) isn’t associated with any program. Feb 24 23:01
Balrog_ hrrp is probably like hxxp Feb 24 23:02
trmanco yeah, but why would they do this on their own page Feb 24 23:03
Balrog_ trmanco: who? Feb 24 23:06
trmanco http://openprosthetics.org/ Feb 24 23:06
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MinceR hrrp is the aggressive version of http Feb 24 23:13
MinceR Hrr!p Feb 24 23:14
MinceR GET is replaced by GIMME Feb 24 23:14
schestowitz “The Obama administration promises transparency and accountability in Washington, but it’s siding with George W. Bush’s view of executive privilege in an attempt quash recovery of what could be millions of missing White House emails.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/… Feb 24 23:17
schestowitz MIT boffins fashion working plasma rocket from Coke can < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/24… > (VIDEO) Feb 24 23:21
balzac that’s tragic Feb 24 23:23
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schestowitz IDG attacks Google over short downtime: http://www.pcworld.com/arti… http://www.pcworld.com/article/160150/googl… Feb 24 23:24
balzac Obama better not keep obstructing justice on behalf of Bush Feb 24 23:24
schestowitz Bushama Feb 24 23:24
balzac that is one thing that people do not take lightly Feb 24 23:24
schestowitz Change. http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Sou… Feb 24 23:25
schestowitz People begged for change. They might get change… while the Rich People get STI-MOO-LOOS! Feb 24 23:26
MinceR he obstructs justice on behalf of the megacorps instead Feb 24 23:26
schestowitz Balrog: what do dailykossers say about this? Do they want justice and accomplices? Feb 24 23:28
schestowitz Guy drops promotional garbage he plants in a blog… then complains.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… Feb 24 23:32
schestowitz Google turns FOSS to $aa$: Google sets billing rates for App Engine < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/277857/… > Feb 24 23:37
MinceR when was app engine foss? Feb 24 23:38
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schestowitz never Feb 24 23:43
schestowitz Open POS software… Feb 24 23:46
schestowitz Polluting the polls… “After lifting off at 1:55 a.m. Pacific Standard Time (PST) on Tuesday, February, 24, 2009, NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory did not reach its intended orbit. Its mission was declared ‘lost’ when it crashed into the Antarctic Ocean.” http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23438/1075/ Feb 24 23:53
MinceR gn Feb 24 23:59
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