| _Hicham_ | how big is the website? | May 17 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | 4gb files+130mb dbs | May 17 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V942vI6b4JY&feature=related | May 17 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | _Hitcham_ You may like this one better | May 17 00:02 |
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| ziggyfish | listening to the Linux Action Show, | May 17 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There are various HTML "optimizers" you can run your pages through | May 17 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | to get the size down | May 17 00:13 |
| ziggyfish | This is last time I will be listening to it though | May 17 00:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's not the main concern ATM | May 17 00:13 |
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| gartner idiots in the news again http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/16/2055258 | May 17 00:20 | |
| schestowitz | Sp they advertise Vista7. | May 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Not bad for Microsoft | May 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.crn.com/software/217201463;jsessionid=J2MX5WJLUPBSQQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN | May 17 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 boosting from Gah-rtner | May 17 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7537/donotwantabh.jpg | May 17 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting tired | May 17 00:25 |
| schestowitz | tessier not back yet | May 17 00:25 |
| Call Laughing Squid. | May 17 00:25 | |
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| The Gartner story is funny because they just got busted for bullshitting hugely to the EU about GNU/Linux migration. Michael Silver in particular was disgraced when the "secret" report was made public. | May 17 00:26 | |
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| Now they parrot M$ telling the one or two companies that dumb enough to have planned a Vista migration that they should skip Vista for vaporware. | May 17 00:27 | |
| DaemonFC | http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1041/29425593.png | May 17 00:27 |
| M$ themselves said the same thing. Vista is Officially DEAD. | May 17 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: silver is well know for his MS shilling | May 17 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna write about it | May 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | If only I could.. | May 17 00:30 |
| cool, I think. | May 17 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | I planned to on Thursday before /., | May 17 00:30 |
| relax, this will pass and the site will be back up and people will read it. | May 17 00:30 | |
| Just look at GL. They were silent for a month or two. | May 17 00:31 | |
| A little rest might do you some good. | May 17 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | There's lot of important stuff I want to put out there. | May 17 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I mean, important in the sense that it's not covered | May 17 00:37 |
| schestowitz | And people miss important facts | May 17 00:37 |
| Yes, you have done very good work. | May 17 00:38 | |
| schestowitz | With Groklaw it was voluntary | May 17 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Here I have been doing the best I could so far | May 17 00:40 |
| schestowitz | But there are annoying barriers | May 17 00:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4038/63690502.png | May 17 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | I missed Winamp | May 17 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | surely that's it :P | May 17 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that some firefox plugin must have caused godaddy trouble | May 17 00:54 |
| schestowitz | One of those plugin nightmares | May 17 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They are not very helpful. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | ======= | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Discussion Notes | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Support Staff Response | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Roy, | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for contacting online support. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | We would like to be of assistance. However, the nature of your inquiry is unclear and additional information is necessary in order to properly investigate and address your inquiry. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Please reply to this email with a detailed description of what is happening. Be sure to include the full text of any error messages you may be encountering as well as any account information that you have, including the domain name and customer number in question. In addition, it may be necessary to release account specific information in our response. For security reasons, we cannot release customer specific account information wi | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | thout first verifying the account. If you have not done so already, include the last four digits of a payment method on file or your four-digit Call-in PIN with your reply. Once you have provided this information, we can investigate the matter further. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | If immediate assistance is required, our telephone support staff is available 24/7 at 480-505-8877. We look forward to hearing from you. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Nancie D. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Customer Care | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | They need to sort it out.. | May 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | No Opera support, either | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Cause they want fancy GUIs, probably tested using just 2 browsers.. | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | ====== | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I append your message below for context. Here are the instructions I was given: | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | ========================= | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | The registrant of the following domain name(s): | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | [...] | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | 2. In the My Account section, click "Pending Account Changes." | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | 3. Click on "Incoming Account Changes." | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | 4. Check the domains that you agree to change and then click "Quick Accept." | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | 5. Accept the agreements and click "OK." The domains will | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | be processed and should appear in your account shortly. | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | If the Change of Account is not complete within 10 days, the | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | transaction or Change of Account will expire. | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | ========================= | May 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | When I click "Quick Accept" I get nothing that happens. No agreement shows up. Both in Opera and Firefox. Godaddy: fail | May 17 00:58 |
| ziggyfish | Your domain trouble got me thinking about linuxmadeeasy.org, Don't know what to do with it. It's been sitting their for a while | May 17 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The whole Web is a mess | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | More people may be using it (well, especially in China), but sites are dying | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Newspapers don't succeed in moving to the Web and finding sustainability | May 17 01:01 |
| ziggyfish | yeah | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Other sites just retire or slow down | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Including some very big ones. | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | SO finding news becomes hard | May 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Not just Mirosoft or Linux news | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | ANY news | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like this | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Think about Web hype and bubble | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | More news, more sites, etc. | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Then, especially now amid depression, lots of sites get buried | May 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | The big mistake it to assume that FOSS and Linux have slown down when in fact it's part ofg a universal, global trend. | May 17 01:03 |
| schestowitz | TuxMachines was down for a week in December. DNS issues | May 17 01:04 |
| Do not blame the Web because the Web is still growing and not is not yet free. | May 17 01:04 | |
| People should not have to go to a "host" or go through all the problems BN is having just to run a blog. | May 17 01:05 | |
| They should be able to run such things from their own computer at home. | May 17 01:05 | |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, I think Linux has grown faster | May 17 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Well, MS is imploding | May 17 01:06 |
| This will happen in the future and it will provide a tremendous quantity of real news. | May 17 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | it's just too busy trying to sink Linux WITH it | May 17 01:06 |
| Reporting will just be a matter of researching other blogs and asking the right people the right question. | May 17 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: you're optimistic | May 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | 1) decentralised sites scare people | May 17 01:07 |
| I see a free future. | May 17 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | 2) I don't know much about "future" | May 17 01:07 |
| I demand it. | May 17 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | It seems like tech steps back | May 17 01:07 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, it's impossible to sink Linux, Linux is owned by everyone, if the big companies die, we will take their place | May 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Not forwards | May 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | *ward | May 17 01:07 |
| I demand freedom. | May 17 01:07 | |
| From freedom will come truth. | May 17 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | This includes a prediction of a drop in developers... 35% is what I saw recently | May 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | twitter: freedom is not free | May 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | People buy suppression | May 17 01:08 |
| Slavery is more expensive. | May 17 01:08 | |
| schestowitz | They make money taking people's freedom away | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | As in, making others work for them | May 17 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you see the latest stufy Microsoft paid for? | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: they can still slow some things down | May 17 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | where did I put that? :P | May 17 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | it praises IE 8 as the best browser | May 17 01:08 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, but not stop | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's that? | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Study | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I seee... | May 17 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | and says that Firefox and Chrome and Opera are useless | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Haha | May 17 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Link? | May 17 01:08 |
| The pinch points, is where free software can be slowed down. This is where they attack. | May 17 01:09 | |
| *Balrog__ has quit () | May 17 01:09 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chrome-a-Non-Event-Firefox-Defective-IE-Going-Nowhere-111573.shtml | May 17 01:09 |
| FC linked to a nice study of browsers on Winblows earlier. | May 17 01:09 | |
| DaemonFC | "In addition, IE 8 is feature rich and a step ahead of the other browsers. Both Firefox and Chrome have major defects which limit their usefulness on all sites." | May 17 01:09 |
| Why bother with bullshit when anyone can run the benchmarks themselves? | May 17 01:10 | |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, what I am worried about is software patients | May 17 01:10 |
| another pinch point but one that has exploded. | May 17 01:11 | |
| software patents are bad for everyone, big dumb companies included. | May 17 01:11 | |
| here's FC's earlier link http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 17 01:12 | |
| very good. | May 17 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: yes, anti-FOSS law | May 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | They would love that | May 17 01:12 |
| If you are into performance on a second rate platform. | May 17 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: does it say MS funded this 'study'? | May 17 01:12 |
| what a god awful page | May 17 01:13 | |
| ziggyfish | I like how everyone uses Net Applications for OS market share, when their are plenty of others around | May 17 01:13 |
| Marius Oiaga | May 17 01:13 | |
| what are the other OS market share indicators? | May 17 01:14 | |
| I'd love to know about them. | May 17 01:14 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm blogging it now | May 17 01:14 |
| I'm not really interested in what kind of OS is used to access Fox News, Forbes and the Wall Street Journal. | May 17 01:14 | |
| schestowitz | Marius Oiaga boosts Microsoft | May 17 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Nothing new here | May 17 01:15 |
| schestowitz | and ziggyfish is right | May 17 01:15 |
| schestowitz | It's MS parrterns like IDG/IDC who point people to Net Apps | May 17 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Which has been around for ages | May 17 01:15 |
| I'm sure he's right, I just don't know of other measures. | May 17 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | But that one is the most UsefulLiar | May 17 01:15 |
| Widely quoted lie. | May 17 01:16 | |
| ziggyfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems | May 17 01:16 |
| very nice! | May 17 01:16 | |
| not | May 17 01:16 | |
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| I see enough GNU/Linux to think 2% is a significant under report. | May 17 01:18 | |
| Where are Wiki's own reports? | May 17 01:19 | |
| ziggyfish | it would be interesting to see Googles report on market share | May 17 01:20 |
| ziggyfish | maybe that would be a good website to make, a website that produces market share reports | May 17 01:21 |
| ISPs hold the real stats, but they are firmly in M$ and Entertainment pockets. | May 17 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | Most ISP's don't check what there clients are running twitter. | May 17 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Thinking there clients are sitting more often than not behind Linux routers these days. | May 17 01:23 |
| ziggyfish | The only thing is I don't know if the domain name "linuxmadeeasy.org" would be a good name for this type of thing | May 17 01:23 |
| How do you know, Ohm? | May 17 01:23 | |
| If ISPs did not have statistics, they would not offer M$ only support now would they? | May 17 01:24 | |
| oiaohm | The ISP's I deal with don't care what OS you are running. Only that there router is configured correctly. The provide novice tools for windows and manual instructions for everyone else. | May 17 01:26 |
| oiaohm | There site support generic firefox so all platfroms. I have a few were there web site tells user to install firefox becuase they dont' bother building there site for IE. | May 17 01:27 |
| Big US ISPs include M$ only software and start most conversations with "Open IE" | May 17 01:28 | |
| They don't provide real information, such as server names, and they are forced to read moronic scripts. | May 17 01:29 | |
| oiaohm | So primus over there is the same. There australian releation iprimus started with open webbrowser never open IE. | May 17 01:29 |
| I have pretended to do as they say to try to get real information out of them. It's a real pain. | May 17 01:29 | |
| They assume you are going to the Windows control panel. I wonder if they know how to do anything else. | May 17 01:30 | |
| A+ cert, and works for sure | May 17 01:30 | |
| yeah. | May 17 01:30 | |
| oiaohm | You sound to be where we were about 10 years ago. | May 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna get some sleep. If tessier shows up shortly, then please try to give him help getting WordPress and all up and running. I think he's almost there. | May 17 01:31 |
| In any case, ISPs could easily collect stats if they wanted to and probably do already. | May 17 01:31 | |
| Good night Roy! | May 17 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | I have control of the domains | May 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | I just need tessier to give the horsie a go | May 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Then I point to the new server | May 17 01:31 |
| cool | May 17 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | We have 3 domains | May 17 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Someone guy got the smart idea of sueing a ISP for descrimitation and won about 10 years ago here twitter. | May 17 01:33 |
| That's very nice. Others should do the same. | May 17 01:33 | |
| oiaohm | Thinking they have to have business customers using Linux servers that are connecting up to there isp twitter | May 17 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Most of them here were supporting Linux from business but not Linux from home so was pure descrimitation | May 17 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Even better most ISP's here these days provide a file mirror with Linux distributions on that don't count to download quotas. | May 17 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Ok Linux and Freebsd. | May 17 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Since it turned out they were also providing that only to business customers | May 17 01:36 |
| ziggyfish | If anyone want's to write a site for collecting OS market share please let me know, I have the domains | May 17 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/microsoft-pays-yes-men-to-spread-more-fud-about-firefox-chrome-and-opera/ | May 17 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Firefox's source code does support active-x DaemonFC | May 17 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Its not enabled by default due to secuirty reasons. | May 17 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a lot of hits from people looking for Windows 7 logitech drivers | May 17 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | which I made available | May 17 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 01:45 |
| ziggyfish | domain = osmarketshare.com | May 17 01:47 |
| oiaohm | http://soft.zoneo.net/phpTrafficA/ << Open source prewriten just configure ziggyfish | May 17 01:55 |
| oiaohm | There are others as well ziggyfish | May 17 01:56 |
| ziggyfish | will look into that | May 17 01:57 |
| oiaohm | http://soft.zoneo.net/phpTrafficA/Demo/index.php?mode=stats&sid=746210&show=os&lang=en Web number do change a lot based on site. | May 17 01:58 |
| oiaohm | This one has linux at 22 percent. | May 17 01:58 |
| ziggyfish | I may just look at the source code, and grab what I need | May 17 02:00 |
| oiaohm | There are others out three as well if you search "os statistics counter open source" without " of course | May 17 02:01 |
| oiaohm | For most things there is no need to build from scratch any more. | May 17 02:01 |
| ziggyfish | oiaohm, where's the fun in that? | May 17 02:02 |
| oiaohm | http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ | May 17 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Number 1 it is dependablity ziggyfish | May 17 02:03 |
| oiaohm | You can always join the team developing the one you like and add features. | May 17 02:04 |
| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Also going threw the open source ones give you a better idea what you want too. | May 17 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Looking at working examples so much better than just trying to makeup from nothing. | May 17 02:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have a broad range of domains to get data from ziggyfish | May 17 02:09 |
| ziggyfish | That's the next step | May 17 02:11 |
| oiaohm | http://bbclone.de/demo/ | May 17 02:11 |
| oiaohm | That would have to be my 3 most used open source ones. | May 17 02:11 |
| oiaohm | But there are way more ziggyfish. Almost everyone writes a stats program at some point. Its become the web equal to tetris. | May 17 02:13 |
| ziggyfish | heh, it will take a while to set up though, things I need to do before hand like, good interface, easy for web admins to add a link in their website, things like that | May 17 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | May 17 02:15 |
| oiaohm | You have more than enough work without having to build the basic core. | May 17 02:16 |
| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Pick a basic core that does you needs and you like and go from there. | May 17 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Some cases with open source projects experinced developers with them can help you get stuff working. | May 17 02:18 |
| ziggyfish | oiaohm, you a developer? | May 17 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time not. | May 17 02:19 |
| ziggyfish | nice | May 17 02:19 |
| oiaohm | I normally pickup open source packages that do my need. | May 17 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Customise where I have to. | May 17 02:19 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok. | May 17 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie I don't really like coding and only do it when I have to. | May 17 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Learnt that over the years. | May 17 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Stablity is a hard thing to test for. | May 17 02:20 |
| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:21 |
| oiaohm | If it fails in the work I do I am so many times over dead meat its not funny. | May 17 02:21 |
| oiaohm | I guess be around the server world less than 8 years ziggyfish | May 17 02:22 |
| ziggyfish | nice, I'm been developing PHP for 2 years, now | May 17 02:23 |
| oiaohm | By the end of 8 years most people have learnt don't build from scratch unless there is no other option. The pain of failures is not worth it. | May 17 02:23 |
| oiaohm | At least by customising it normally stays partly working. | May 17 02:24 |
| oiaohm | So you don't get fried. | May 17 02:24 |
| ziggyfish | lol | May 17 02:24 |
| oiaohm | As bad. | May 17 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Really what I am telling you is pure logical if you do risk assements of what you are doing ziggyfish. That is something else that PHP courses don't teach you but is a good skill. | May 17 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Its also something people learn to do in the first 8 years ziggyfish. | May 17 02:30 |
| ziggyfish | oh, ok | May 17 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Basic lists of risk assesements. Quality risk assesment. This is will you have the time and the means to assess the quality of what you are doing on different paths. | May 17 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Maintainership risk assessment. Will what you do be maintainable at what risks. | May 17 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Using Open source projects using a non longer supported project would be high risk. Just like using closed source you could have to be paying. | May 17 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty risk assessment. | May 17 02:37 |
| oiaohm | and finally legal risk assessment. | May 17 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Legal comes out of making sure you don't use wrong combinations of licences and the like. | May 17 02:38 |
| ziggyfish | nice to know | May 17 02:39 |
| oiaohm | There is not much to it really. | May 17 02:39 |
| ziggyfish | anyway I'm very hungry | May 17 02:39 |
| oiaohm | Most is common sence but as with all common sence no one bothers teaching it so common sence is rare. | May 17 02:39 |
| ziggyfish | lol | May 17 02:40 |
| ziggyfish | funny but true | May 17 02:40 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I'm back. Maintenance is all done. Server is back up. Took far longer than expected, as usual... | May 17 02:46 |
| tessier | I still get the old dns | May 17 02:47 |
| oiaohm | You missed him tessier last message he was off for sleep. | May 17 02:49 |
| tessier | ok | May 17 02:53 |
| shreddar | What server | May 17 03:04 |
| Roy is sleeping. | May 17 03:10 | |
| Yes Ohm, "common sensce" is rare. | May 17 03:10 | |
| BN is also still sleeping tessier. Do you have an IP address? | May 17 03:11 | |
| It might be easier to surf there directly than to rely on the domain powers that be. I look forward to IP6 putting an end to foolishness like this. | May 17 03:12 | |
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| tessier | I gave Roy the IP address earlier toda | May 17 03:17 |
| tessier | y | May 17 03:17 |
| tessier | I have everything set up except that I am still debugging the database access. For some reason wp can't connect. | May 17 03:17 |
| tessier | Will have that resolved shortly. | May 17 03:17 |
| tessier | bn.copilotco.com points to the site | May 17 03:17 |
| tessier | So you will be able to see it there once I get things going | May 17 03:17 |
| ziggyfish | tessier, permission maybe? | May 17 03:18 |
| tessier | I'm sure it is a mysql permission issue. Unfortunately mysql is devilishly complicated when it comes to that sort of thing | May 17 03:18 |
| ziggyfish | grant all privileges on *.* to someusr@"%" ? | May 17 03:21 |
| tessier | woohoo...database perm problem fixed. | May 17 03:28 |
| tessier | I had a typo. | May 17 03:28 |
| tessier | Now it seems to be redirecting to the old site. | May 17 03:29 |
| tessier | I bet everything will just work once the dns is updated. | May 17 03:29 |
| tessier | He said he was going to update is earlier. I wonder why that never happened.... | May 17 03:29 |
| ziggyfish | true | May 17 03:34 |
| ziggyfish | tessier, dns cache? | May 17 03:34 |
| oiaohm | tessier: he will want to test it before transfer dns. | May 17 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Timing tessier | May 17 03:37 |
| tessier | Well, right now it points at a placeholder page so I don't see how it could get any worse. :) | May 17 03:40 |
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| oiaohm | Last time the mysql database was not right and when user posted comment it deleted artical. | May 17 03:42 |
| oiaohm | Way worse. | May 17 03:42 |
| tessier | That's odd. | May 17 03:42 |
| oiaohm | It was the last move. | May 17 03:42 |
| oiaohm | It got damaged in transport. | May 17 03:42 |
| oiaohm | So it developed a mind of its own. | May 17 03:42 |
| oiaohm | Reason for wantting to test it before switching it over is simple so that when it comes back on line it working right. | May 17 03:43 |
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| tessier | I'm going to get dinner and perhaps go play some racquetball soon. Have schestowitz give me a ring like he did last night when he's available and I'll jump online as soon as I can. | May 17 03:49 |
| tessier | Hola Papa_Chango | May 17 03:49 |
| Papa_Chango | hey there Tessier, what's the latest news on hosting? | May 17 03:50 |
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| tessier | Papa_Chango: It's all up and running on my end afaik. Just waiting for the dns to be changed. | May 17 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | updating my mom's GPS thing | May 17 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | it runs Linux | May 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't update it USING Linux | May 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | you have to have a Windows PC or a Mac | May 17 04:13 |
| oiaohm | Is it a tomtom? | May 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 17 04:18 |
| oiaohm | If so there are a set of manual instructions around. | May 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Garmin Nuvi | May 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | she has a computer I gave her with Mandriva on it | May 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | but you have to have their update software | May 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | and I didn't want to try Wine with a $200 device | May 17 04:18 |
| oiaohm | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-231452.html With wine it still a ugly process. | May 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I changed the language file | May 17 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's now a man with a British accent | May 17 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | she'll get a kick out of that | May 17 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 04:46 |
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| tessier | Mmm....full of pizza. | May 17 05:37 |
| tessier | Now I rest a bit and digest and then go play ball | May 17 05:37 |
| *tessier has a Tomtom | May 17 05:37 | |
| tessier | Actually, my wife does. | May 17 05:37 |
| tessier | Tomtom seems to use British terminology even when set to American accent | May 17 05:38 |
| tessier | "Take the motorway..." | May 17 05:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: | May 17 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey! | May 17 05:52 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Let me update DNS | May 17 05:55 |
| good morning, Roy | May 17 05:56 | |
| tessier | schestowitz! | May 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Hey :-) | May 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Just phoned you | May 17 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | "Don’t forget to tune in for my next review of IE 8 where I compare the browser to a steaming pile of dog shit. (Spoiler Alert: The dog shit wins)" | May 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | OK, so I have control of all 3 domains | May 17 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | -Me | May 17 05:57 |
| tessier | Yep, that's what prompted me to check in here | May 17 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Let me change DNS | May 17 05:57 |
| still no BN, very sad | May 17 05:58 | |
| schestowitz | I'm connected to the server (SSH) | May 17 05:58 |
| schestowitz | Now going to GoDaddy to change DNS | May 17 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | May 17 05:59 |
| *tessier is migrating everything away from godaddy | May 17 05:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://nodaddy.com/ | May 17 05:59 |
| tessier | Their cheesy UI etc just bugs me. | May 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | Where do I change it there? | May 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes | May 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | I complained about to thtme | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | No Opera support, no Firefox with plguin | May 17 05:59 |
| schestowitz | I actually SSH to another machine just to use GoDaddy | May 17 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't have to "support" any particular browser | May 17 06:00 |
| schestowitz | tessier: under which heading is it? | May 17 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | ideally you write it and it looks the same anywhere | May 17 06:00 |
| schestowitz | Not forward, right? | May 17 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: But it's not all IE's fault that the web is fragmented and hacky | May 17 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | mostly it is, but not all | May 17 06:01 |
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| DaemonFC | there's varying degrees of standards support between other browsers | May 17 06:01 |
| tessier | heading? | May 17 06:01 |
| tessier | I don't use godaddy for dns hosting. Only as a registrar. | May 17 06:01 |
| schestowitz | Do I change nameserver? | May 17 06:01 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, as a registrar | May 17 06:02 |
| schestowitz | What to change there, do you know? | May 17 06:02 |
| tessier | Looks like Name Server: DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:02 |
| tessier | is your name server | May 17 06:03 |
| tessier | Does that seem right? | May 17 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you suppose you could host a petition to be sent to the US Department of Justice? | May 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | DNS53.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | Is that what I should change? | May 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | To the IP you gave me? | May 17 06:04 |
| tessier | No | May 17 06:04 |
| tessier | But dizinc.com should have some sort of interface or something where you can change the "A" record for where the site points to | May 17 06:04 |
| tessier | Or you can change those two things you just pasted to point at my nameserver | May 17 06:04 |
| tessier | And I can host the DNS for you. | May 17 06:04 |
| tessier | Who is dizinc.com? Do they have anything to do with your prior hosting provider? | May 17 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. I don't know. | May 17 06:05 |
| tessier | Ah, kinda looks like they do | May 17 06:05 |
| tessier | In which case, yes. Change DNS52.DIZINC.COM and DNS53.DIZINC.COM to be ns1.copilotco.com and ns2.copilotco.com | May 17 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Shane tried to change this via Go Daddy, but he passed me the domains last night | May 17 06:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 06:06 |
| tessier | That is probably the easiest thing. I'll set up a zone in my nameserver. | May 17 06:06 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:06 |
| schestowitz | Let me do it | May 17 06:06 |
| *schestowitz changed | May 17 06:06 | |
| *schestowitz changes | May 17 06:06 | |
| schestowitz | "Your changes have been submitted. Please allow a few minutes for the changes to take effect." | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | DNS53.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | May 17 06:07 |
| tessier | heh | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | So it hasn't refreshed yet | May 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | Not on dispplay | May 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | But if I reopen the menu it's there. | May 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | Someone from the ODF Foundation E-mailed me. They want the site back :-) | May 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, tessier! | May 17 06:08 |
| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:09 |
| schestowitz | NS1.COPILOTCO.COM | May 17 06:09 |
| schestowitz | NS2.COPILOTCO.COM | May 17 06:09 |
| schestowitz | Updated now | May 17 06:09 |
| tessier | cool | May 17 06:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have a lot of support out there. | May 17 06:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes :-) | May 17 06:10 |
| oiaohm | most likely be 24 hours before the dns change is completely spreed. | May 17 06:11 |
| tessier | You can put an entry in your /etc/hosts file pointing boycottnovell.com to the new IP if you want to be able to test now | May 17 06:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: any way to test it from my side? Oh, I see... | May 17 06:12 |
| schestowitz | tessier: how is this done? | May 17 06:12 |
| tessier | Add a line to /etc/hosts | May 17 06:13 |
| tessier | that looks like this: | May 17 06:13 |
| schestowitz | On your server, eh? | May 17 06:13 |
| tessier | 216.105.40.113 boycottnovell.com www.boycottnovell.com | May 17 06:14 |
| tessier | No, on your local system where you run a web browser | May 17 06:14 |
| tessier | That will override DNS | May 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | May 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | on copilotco? | May 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | =Local system? | May 17 06:15 |
| tessier | On your desktop | May 17 06:15 |
| tessier | Already seeing some traffic... | May 17 06:15 |
| schestowitz | # Do not remove the following line, or various programs | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | # that require network functionality will fail. | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | 67.202.26.165 svn.copilotco.com svn.copilotconsulting.com | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.113 boycottnovell.com www.boycottnovell.com | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | Cannot write to /etc/hosts/ | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | Cannot write to /etc/hosts | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | On the server | May 17 06:16 |
| tessier | Not on the server | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Own machine. | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | whose machine? | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | The old host?? | May 17 06:16 |
| schestowitz | ~/etc/hosts ? | May 17 06:17 |
| oiaohm | Your machine so you can get in until dns spreeds schestowitz | May 17 06:17 |
| tessier | not the old host | May 17 06:17 |
| tessier | The machine where your web browser is running | May 17 06:17 |
| oiaohm | DNS changes is fast to remove a entry. | May 17 06:17 |
| oiaohm | Slow to add one. | May 17 06:17 |
| schestowitz | OOH | May 17 06:17 |
| schestowitz | O | May 17 06:17 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:17 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 17 06:17 |
| tessier | I'm just seeing a blank page right now for some reason...checking it out | May 17 06:18 |
| tessier | Is the main page a wiki or something? | May 17 06:18 |
| tessier | Looks like it is redirecting to a wiki | May 17 06:18 |
| tessier | ah-hah | May 17 06:19 |
| tessier | The php memory limit was set too small. I increased it. Now I get a nice looking page :) | May 17 06:19 |
| tessier | wiki and blog all appear to be working | May 17 06:19 |
| oiaohm | Ok its spreed to opendns | May 17 06:19 |
| oiaohm | Has not got to my local ISP dns yet. | May 17 06:20 |
| schestowitz | NICE!! | May 17 06:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier: you're the man | May 17 06:20 |
| tessier | http://boycottnovell.com/about/ is a broken link | May 17 06:20 |
| tessier | Not sure if it was that way before the move | May 17 06:20 |
| tessier | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/10/epo-in-state-of-turmoil/ doesn't work either. I suspect something is still amiss. | May 17 06:20 |
| tessier | Maybe some part of the site remains to be copied over? | May 17 06:21 |
| oiaohm | About use to work. | May 17 06:21 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | May 17 06:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's the permalinks thing | May 17 06:21 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/?=p=3 works | May 17 06:22 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/killing-software-patents/ does not | May 17 06:22 |
| schestowitz | So it's a permalink thing | May 17 06:22 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | May 17 06:22 |
| oiaohm | Ok I hope this outage does not get slashdot advertised. | May 17 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Let me check | May 17 06:24 |
| tessier | I doubt it would. How long has the site been down? | May 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | It's WordPress thing | May 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: 2 days | May 17 06:24 |
| tessier | I don't know much about wordpress | May 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | But crippled for a bit longer | May 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: let me see... | May 17 06:24 |
| tessier | For being a personally hosted website downtime doesn't really matter. | May 17 06:24 |
| schestowitz | It basically rewrites those long URLs | May 17 06:25 |
| schestowitz | Going into their post number | May 17 06:25 |
| oiaohm | tessier: traffic will build up fairly quickly on boycottnovell as normal visitors wake up its back. | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | Here's how it work. Basically I need to have: | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | == | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | RewriteEngine On | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | RewriteBase / | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | RewriteRule . /index.php [L] | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | === | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | It's already there in .htaccess, which I didn't change during the move | May 17 06:28 |
| schestowitz | We need to get it right just once :-) | May 17 06:29 |
| tessier | ah...hmm | May 17 06:29 |
| oiaohm | is the rewrite mod installed tessier. | May 17 06:31 |
| oiaohm | I have scratched my head over the same thing only to find I had not installed it. | May 17 06:32 |
| schestowitz | "Pretty" permalinks usually require mod_rewrite, and IIS (common on Windows servers) does not support mod_rewrite. (If you are using Apache 2.0.54, on Windows, mod_rewrite may work, provided it is enabled in apache\conf\httpd.conf.) | May 17 06:32 |
| schestowitz | This might be the reason? http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Permalinks | May 17 06:32 |
| tessier | I think I fixed it | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | I think it's possibly related to Apacje | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Let's see | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Woohoo! | May 17 06:33 |
| tessier | Needed a tweak to AllowOverride for your directory to enable processing of htaccess files | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm delighted | May 17 06:33 |
| tessier | Cruise around and let me know if you find anything else broken... | May 17 06:33 |
| schestowitz | So now we're less likely yo get delisted from SEs | May 17 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Google gives us well over 1000 UIPs/day | May 17 06:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | May 17 06:34 |
| tessier | I notice that http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1176400_executioner.jpg is broken | May 17 06:34 |
| schestowitz | The next (and last) step is pushing in the rest of the files (media mostly) and sliding in the up-to-date DBs | May 17 06:34 |
| tessier | There is a link to it on the top story | May 17 06:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, I need to put in the images directories | May 17 06:35 |
| tessier | ah, is that the missing media? | May 17 06:35 |
| tessier | ok | May 17 06:35 |
| schestowitz | But Shane and I try to pull the latest DB | May 17 06:35 |
| schestowitz | The old host is being an ass | May 17 06:35 |
| oiaohm | What have to wait for quota to be restored schestowitz? | May 17 06:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | May 17 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Have to wait for old host to stop to let us in to download data | May 17 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Shane and I will pressure the old host | May 17 06:41 |
| schestowitz | "New server up and running (DNS may not be refreshed yet). | May 17 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Need the new DB ASAP. I'll pressure the host as much as I can. | May 17 06:42 |
| schestowitz | I'll phone them now | May 17 06:42 |
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| oiaohm | If the odf foundation or the like want to offer you another location if it was me I would take it as a back up location schestowitz. | May 17 06:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, "Foundation", not "Alliance" | May 17 06:45 |
| schestowitz | I can't make new posts until I put in the latest DB | May 17 06:45 |
| schestowitz | Else I just fragment the DBs | May 17 06:45 |
| schestowitz | As in, extend an older copy | May 17 06:46 |
| schestowitz | This copy is actually not very old | May 17 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Just several posts behind the latest | May 17 06:46 |
| schestowitz | At least requesters will get pages for now | May 17 06:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I'm grateful | May 17 06:46 |
| tessier | My pleasure :) | May 17 06:48 |
| oiaohm | We will all be grateful. Boycottnovell is one of the few sites that follows some issues. | May 17 06:49 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully a few more sites will start following some of these issues since SCO is basically dead. | May 17 06:49 |
| tessier | I'm going to go play some racquetball now. If you get new media or database dumps or whatever just upload it and point me to it if there is anything I need to do (like load a fresh copy of the db) and I'll get to it when I return in a couple hours. | May 17 06:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks. I have some really good posts coming | May 17 06:54 |
| schestowitz | I've just mailed the old host | May 17 06:54 |
| schestowitz | To give you an idea where it stands: | May 17 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "This is becoming a matter of urgency. Shane and I can't access our own account even to just access our data. Please enable access to our data so that we can download it from the server. You don't need to serve any pages, just let us get our data, please." | May 17 06:54 |
| schestowitz | No phone number for them. They pretend Shane does not exist | May 17 06:54 |
| schestowitz | We've been customers there for long and now it's like they want to sell us dedicated, so they hold the data hostage | May 17 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Remember when I said I normally run a local copy of sites and upload to host. | May 17 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Its experinces like this. | May 17 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | May 17 06:55 |
| schestowitz | But you run mission-critical things | May 17 06:56 |
| schestowitz | For companies probably | May 17 06:56 |
| oiaohm | One is for a computer club. | May 17 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Smaller than you site. | May 17 06:56 |
| schestowitz | But you're also a hardcore from work... taking same practices home | May 17 06:56 |
| oiaohm | It just prevents ISP black mail. | May 17 06:56 |
| oiaohm | ISP knows you have most of the data. | May 17 06:57 |
| schestowitz | We paid our bills well | May 17 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Worst they do is cause a loss of a few user posts. | May 17 06:57 |
| oiaohm | So pointless black mailing. | May 17 06:57 |
| schestowitz | It's them who are being unfair here, maybe criminal | May 17 06:57 |
| schestowitz | They don't even give a reason for it | May 17 06:57 |
| schestowitz | They ignore Shane | May 17 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Normal. | May 17 06:57 |
| schestowitz | And to me they sent this last night. | May 17 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Again normal. | May 17 06:57 |
| oiaohm | I would start looking at how well off company is. | May 17 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "We do apologize for the delay in our response to ticket [GYX-727360], but our Security Team is still evaluating the situation and will update the client via ticket [GYX-727360] once they have made their decision concerning that matter." | May 17 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, yeah... | May 17 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Like a group of them sit around the table with a jury for one day | May 17 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "Shall we or shall we not allow them to move?" | May 17 06:58 |
| schestowitz | No phone number | May 17 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Just tickers | May 17 06:59 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be an offshoot of the main host | May 17 06:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.surpasshosting.com+phone&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | May 17 06:59 |
| oiaohm | Most people learn the leasons I try to tech them the hard way. | May 17 06:59 |
| oiaohm | No matter how good a host appears always plan for the day they are a ass hole. | May 17 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Mine leason was learnt when the hosting company I was using for a few business sites got taken over. | May 17 07:01 |
| oiaohm | It was savage they aquired the company and deleted everything. | May 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Since nothing in the agreement said they had to mainatian backups. | May 17 07:02 |
| oiaohm | You have minor annoyance compared to the worse. | May 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | And now we serve pages again, as well. | May 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | The plan is to restore fully | May 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Then I have like 30 posts to make, over time. I've not been lazy while site was down :-) | May 17 07:03 |
| oiaohm | I know the work involved to setup locallly. | May 17 07:03 |
| oiaohm | It does end up worth it when things like this happen. | May 17 07:03 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite keep local changes every time I upload a file or change the DB online | May 17 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Lots of hassle | May 17 07:05 |
| schestowitz | I make daily DB backups, though | May 17 07:06 |
| oiaohm | I normally use like rsync for the files. | May 17 07:09 |
| schestowitz | I see... | May 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Well, with cpanel-only access it might be tricky | May 17 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Host limitations can make it harder to do. | May 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | With DNS changed I don't know if I can even access through cpanel to that older account | May 17 07:13 |
| oiaohm | Out of all the features wordpress has one feature it is missing is server to server sync. | May 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | One simpler solution may be simply to pass a guzipped tar of our home directory and the databases (in their current state) via SCP/SSH. This may simplify things. | May 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | May 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there's a plugin for that | May 17 07:16 |
| oiaohm | if it had that keeping local and remote in sync would be simple. | May 17 07:17 |
| schestowitz | I think I'm just missing some pictures on the home dir (in current backup) and about 5 posts in the DB | May 17 07:17 |
| oiaohm | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-bbpress-syncronization/ I could not find a wordpress to wordpress but since this is possiable it should be doable. | May 17 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. | May 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Well, I very much doubt the old host will give up the '"hostage" stratgy | May 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Not unless we threaten legal action or something. | May 17 07:23 |
| oiaohm | Really a working wordpress to wordpress sync would open up if it could be controls like shared articales between different people hosting wordpress. | May 17 07:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you suggest doing about the host? | May 17 07:36 |
| schestowitz | What strategy now? | May 17 07:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not hostile yet, but we do demand access. I showed you their last message | May 17 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Its heading hostile fast. | May 17 07:37 |
| oiaohm | If I could find a wordpress sync function I would have said put up new posts. | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | So what to do? | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | OH | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | I see what you mean! | May 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | To show that you are not stoped by the missing data. | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | As in, merge them later | May 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Good idea | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Here's a thought | May 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Anything that enables 'downloading' posts? | May 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Another option is to post and keep compies in text file | May 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Including post-slug, titles, etc. | May 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Then I can plug these back in later | May 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of any conflict | May 17 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you prove that the missing data is not stopping you and it just annoyance they have lost the black mail advantage. | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | But I close all comments | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | To ensure I get no other data which is new | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 07:40 |
| oiaohm | It would have been nicer if I had found a sync function. | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I'll do that | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks! Appreciate it. | May 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | How would a sync work? | May 17 07:41 |
| schestowitz | I mean, what about slug coliision? | May 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | It would be like a diff. | May 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Locate what is different. | May 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Any in conflit ask user to chose. | May 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | With that having 2 out of sync databases is only a minor annoyance. | May 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Eek | May 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Error pages | May 17 07:43 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 07:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | hahahaha | May 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 07:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm not trolling you atm. | May 17 07:45 |
| schestowitz | You did yesterday | May 17 07:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Now, maybe when the website comes back up I'll be able to | May 17 07:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I didnt troll you yesterday | May 17 07:46 |
| schestowitz | You said something like "Stupid site" | May 17 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep something is fishy server side. | May 17 07:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | May 17 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Just got a offer to download index.php. | May 17 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Let me disable the wiki temporarily | May 17 07:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: how is that fishy? | May 17 07:47 |
| oiaohm | When it should be rendering a web page Diablo-D3 | May 17 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a mediawiki, if you dont have shit setup right, it defaults to http://foo.com/installed_dor/index.php?title=shit | May 17 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | *dir | May 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | so all your wiki hits will say index.php | May 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was going to tell schestowitz the other day about that but I forgot | May 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're going to troll novell, at least make it look good | May 17 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Stablising now | May 17 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm deleting all the foreign voices off this thing | May 17 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | so it can hold more maps :P | May 17 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: still seems to be really slow | May 17 07:53 |
| oiaohm | I think it will need a webcache. | May 17 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | I think a map of Canada or Mexico will be more useful potentially than the damned thing speaking French | May 17 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 07:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: do you think it's normal traffic? | May 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: well | May 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its quite possible microsoft is ddossing you | May 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | or novell | May 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | (or intel, ibm, AMD, the government of japan, UFOs....) | May 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | all of them see you as a threat to their profit model | May 17 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | lesbian nazis from the Jerry Springer show | May 17 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 07:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: we have fun the last time getting load blanced. | May 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | whos currently hosting your site/ | May 17 07:56 |
| *schestowitz removes voice from Diablo-D3 | May 17 07:56 | |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 19 0 290m 46m 4484 R 61 1.1 8:32.76 mysqld | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 19614 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3424 S 8 0.8 0:00.26 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 17733 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3552 S 6 0.8 0:03.02 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 19546 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 6 0.8 0:00.44 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 13971 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3552 S 6 0.8 0:09.74 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 15600 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3604 S 6 0.8 0:06.26 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 17671 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3548 S 6 0.8 0:03.13 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | 17734 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3584 R 6 0.8 0:03.24 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, I wasnt voiced to begin with | May 17 07:57 |
| *schestowitz has kicked Diablo-D3 from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 07:57 | |
| *Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 07:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you shouldn't kick me either. | May 17 07:58 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*n=diablo@*.port.east.myfairpoint.net | May 17 07:58 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked Diablo-D3 from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 07:58 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it comes from mysql mostly | May 17 07:59 |
| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki | May 17 07:59 |
| schestowitz | Still high load | May 17 07:59 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1794 plone 15 0 649m 556m 3260 S 0 13.8 10:32.77 python | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1490 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.44 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1686 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.35 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1931 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.32 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1746 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.35 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1866 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.42 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 25 0 290m 46m 4484 R 82 1.1 11:07.87 mysqld | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 20034 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3608 S 14 0.9 0:03.83 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 19545 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3620 S 7 0.9 0:04.77 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 19546 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3480 S 0 0.9 0:04.01 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 21810 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3476 S 0 0.9 0:01.30 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 20164 apache 15 0 261m 35m 3576 S 0 0.9 0:03.26 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 20140 apache 15 0 309m 35m 5508 S 0 0.9 0:03.21 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 18012 apache 16 0 260m 34m 3616 S 0 0.9 0:06.50 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 1489 postfix 15 0 98844 34m 696 S 0 0.9 0:00.00 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | 16293 apache 16 0 260m 34m 3632 S 0 0.9 0:09.18 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a mail machine BTW | May 17 08:01 |
| schestowitz | It was working fine for a while | May 17 08:01 |
| schestowitz | What do you make of it? | May 17 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Looks like we need pound squid or something to retuce php processing so reduce mysql accesses. | May 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | But could this be DDOS? | May 17 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Not likely. | May 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | BTW, that diablo guy is a troll. He was here yesterday too, trolling. | May 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: :-) | May 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | OK, that's a relief | May 17 08:02 |
| oiaohm | This is like the issue we had a while back. | May 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | We already have caching in WordPress | May 17 08:02 |
| oiaohm | That would be the next thing I would check. | May 17 08:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie that it still working after the move. | May 17 08:03 |
| schestowitz | let me check cache | May 17 08:03 |
| oiaohm | Without it in in the past mysql bit the big one. | May 17 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it took a while because of DNS kicking back in? | May 17 08:03 |
| schestowitz | is tessier there? | May 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | advanced-cache.php link does not exist | May 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Create it by executing: | May 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Wweird | May 17 08:05 |
| oiaohm | If you were being ddos you would expect a little more apache load. | May 17 08:05 |
| oiaohm | Cache not operating would explain it. | May 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Let me give you more info | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail public_html]$ top | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | top - 00:21:06 up 6:05, 1 user, load average: 18.45, 20.87, 16.87 | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Tasks: 190 total, 6 running, 184 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 84.1%us, 15.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3721672k used, 398904k free, 13272k buffers | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 72k used, 4194224k free, 379568k cached | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 25 0 291m 47m 4484 R 77 1.2 16:11.95 mysqld | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 26058 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3444 S 8 0.8 0:02.99 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27096 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 8 0.8 0:00.90 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27160 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3424 S 7 0.8 0:00.87 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27156 apache 16 0 258m 32m 3440 S 7 0.8 0:00.89 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 15019 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3584 S 7 0.8 0:20.45 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27189 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 7 0.8 0:00.85 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 21841 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3684 S 6 0.9 0:11.14 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 24308 apache 15 0 260m 34m 3620 S 6 0.9 0:06.66 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 26057 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3428 S 6 0.8 0:03.19 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27163 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3564 S 6 0.8 0:00.84 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 27164 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 6 0.8 0:00.82 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | 26060 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3524 S 6 0.8 0:02.97 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Should I try to disable wordpress cache maybe? | May 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it give me this error just because of high load | May 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes the cache settings page won't load | May 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I swap over to a different cache plugin | May 17 08:12 |
| schestowitz | http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ | May 17 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I swap plguins for cache | May 17 08:16 |
| schestowitz | OK, swap complete | May 17 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Load down momentarily | May 17 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Warning! /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/advanced-cache.php does not exist or cannot be updated. | May 17 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I wonder... maybe the caching does not quite work? Or could heavy load lead to these errors? | May 17 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Two separate caching plugins pretend they can't access files that are definitely on there | May 17 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 17 08:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: are yo there? | May 17 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Garmin Nuvi uses FAT32 | May 17 08:24 |
| schestowitz | how do I tail apache logs? | May 17 08:24 |
| schestowitz | cd /var/log/apache | May 17 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I take it offline for a moment | May 17 08:27 |
| schestowitz | The apache session | May 17 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 17 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | I have Defraggler defragmenting the GPS device | May 17 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 08:29 |
| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail public_html]$ uptime | May 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | 00:43:52 up 6:27, 1 user, load average: 1.25, 12.95, 18.35 | May 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: are you therE? | May 17 08:30 |
| schestowitz | Weird | May 17 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Renaming index.php to index2.php and then back still leaves me with a front page that's a placeholder for Apache | May 17 08:32 |
| tessier | Well that's interesting. | May 17 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 17 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Here is what happened | May 17 08:37 |
| schestowitz | The load went up | May 17 08:37 |
| schestowitz | mysql took a lot of load | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DNS kicking in | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | It made no real difference | May 17 08:38 |
| tessier | The machine does mail, web, various things. Eventually I will separate the concenrs. | May 17 08:38 |
| tessier | concenrs | May 17 08:38 |
| tessier | concerns | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Then, to prevent load on the server I just renamed the index (index.php) to something else | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | To sort of disable thing | May 17 08:38 |
| schestowitz | *things | May 17 08:38 |
| tessier | 1242546757.205 3605 88.198.60.8 TCP_MISS/200 362 HEAD http://boycottnovell.com/ - DIRECT/127.0.0.1 text/html | May 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Now I changed it back | May 17 08:39 |
| tessier | That ip is doing a HEAD on the site as many times as possible | May 17 08:39 |
| tessier | Just a sec, I'll firewall it off... | May 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 <-- don't know it | May 17 08:39 |
| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 resolves to | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Country IP Address: GERMANY | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Call me a nut if you like, but Germany is where a lot of people hate BN because of SUSE | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | And this is TOR | May 17 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Why TOR? | May 17 08:40 |
| tessier | tor is an anonymous proxy | May 17 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 08:43 |
| tessier | That is definitely someone fscking with us | May 17 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Could there be a DDOS | May 17 08:43 |
| tessier | I'll fix their wagon... | May 17 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Aha | May 17 08:43 |
| tessier | Yes, it is a DDOS | May 17 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, tessier. It's good news in a way. it means the site itself scales | May 17 08:45 |
| schestowitz | But malicious intervention may have been the cause. Some troll here came in with glee yesterday and today just minutes after the attack on the site (high load) had begun | May 17 08:45 |
| tessier | This attack is why your previous provider shut you off? | May 17 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I wodner about this troll we had here. | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | Watch the timings: | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:34am: <schestowitz> Eek | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:34am: <schestowitz> Error pages | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:35am: * Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:35am: <oiaohm> Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> hahahaha | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | ONE MINUTE after I get error pages (loading pages rapidly) he comes in and laughs | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | One minute!! | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | He was here to make fun of us yesterday as well | May 17 08:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll set cache back on | May 17 08:51 |
| tessier | There we go. He's all firewalled off. I may have to add some iptables rate limits to port 80. | May 17 08:53 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Wow. You're s star! | May 17 08:54 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the mysql pattern matches that which the host sent me | May 17 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Excessive load with same culprit | May 17 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Load will be lowered soon. The cache was flushed for WordPress, not rebuilt as pages are served | May 17 08:55 |
| schestowitz | I'll put the Wiki back on | May 17 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | gah | May 17 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | uploading a map to this thing redefines SLOW | May 17 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-SP2-RTM-DVD-ISO-Images-Available-for-Download-111765.shtml | May 17 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's back | May 17 08:57 |
| schestowitz | high load. DDOS again? | May 17 08:57 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:57 |
| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 15 0 292m 51m 4484 S 82 1.3 39:26.85 mysqld | May 17 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 has the XBOX 360 controller driver integrateds | May 17 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | about time | May 17 09:01 |
| zer0c00l | wtf: http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/17/stories/2009051751071100.htm | May 17 09:03 |
| zer0c00l | they bribed the national news paper too :( | May 17 09:03 |
| zer0c00l | they writing stories about msft vista 7 | May 17 09:03 |
| zer0c00l | i have never seen a article on that page about linux or foss :( | May 17 09:03 |
| zer0c00l | too bad | May 17 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft may have hired the guy that made nLite/vLite | May 17 09:04 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: probably W-E at work, pushing adverts as 'articles' | May 17 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://brokencontrollers.com/forums/end-of-road-for-nlite-vlite-microsoft-hires-dino-nuhagic-t313944.php | May 17 09:05 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes | May 17 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | would make sense | May 17 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | having utilities out there that remove so called "integrated" Windows components kind of undermines them | May 17 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | in these antitrust ordeals | May 17 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | the best way to get rid of him may be to hire him | May 17 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Just mailed my host | May 17 09:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I pretend it's only temporary so that they don't get annoyed | May 17 09:08 |
| schestowitz | === | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Hope you are well and sorry for nagging. To test what is happening I enabled the account on a friend's server (that's why I needed the DB). | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | It turns out that there was a DDOS attack and there *still* is one. It's coming from TOR, e.g.: | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 resolves to | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "va6.de" | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Country IP Address: GERMANY | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Is that what you're seeing as well? | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | 1242546757.205 3605 88.198.60.8 TCP_MISS/200 362 HEAD http://boycottnovell.com/ - DIRECT/127.0.0.1 text/html | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | That IP is doing a HEAD on the site as many times as possible | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Might this need escalating to some investigation by Net authorities? Shane and I want to resolve these issues as soon as possible and since you gave no feedback for days we wanted to test the account on another machine (not a company). It seems like pure DDOS, nothing to do with server load or requiring a dedicated server. The server we test this on is pretty dedicated and the DDOS brings it to its knees. | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | === | May 17 09:09 |
| schestowitz | I also made a post in BN | May 17 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "With the EU after Microsoft for illegally bundling Idiot Exploiter, it can’t look good that there are utilities out there that can in fact surgically remove it." | May 17 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | from a blog post I'm writing | May 17 09:12 |
| zer0c00l | www.hindu.com makes my firefox unresponsive | May 17 09:13 |
| zer0c00l | :( | May 17 09:13 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, could you investigate why is that happening? | May 17 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Logically, I could see why Microsoft would want to hire the man to get him to stop undermining their claims that this crap is a “non-removable component of Windows” rather than foistware pushed on the end user in order to illegally stifle the competition." | May 17 09:14 |
| schestowitz | COOL! | May 17 09:15 |
| schestowitz | I finally got caching working on the new server | May 17 09:15 |
| schestowitz | There were small permission issues (chmod), so now we can cache pages to lower the load | May 17 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Earlier in vLite development, the Redmond bully forbade him from distributing the 44 kilobyte WIM image filter necessary to customize Windows ISO images, forcing the user to download a 1.1 GIGABYTE ISO image of the Windows Automated Installation Kit to get the offending driver." | May 17 09:16 |
| schestowitz | tessier: WordPress cache now enabled. It was disabled before. | May 17 09:16 |
| schestowitz | This means load will be lessened considerable within a short while | May 17 09:17 |
| tessier | cool | May 17 09:17 |
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| shreddar | Well it's up again.... | May 17 09:17 |
| schestowitz | tessier: this concurs fully with what I thought on Thursay night | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was DDOS | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | It looked like it | May 17 09:18 |
| tessier | I am working on putting some rate limiting stuff into place so this cannot happen again. | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | But there are also those who tell "paranoid" | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I told the old host to | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | *too | May 17 09:18 |
| shreddar | Sadly the exibits are missing. | May 17 09:18 |
| shreddar | The ones I've checked anyway | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | This might explain why it took them a long time to investigate | May 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | They just locked it out and said they were still invietigating | May 17 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Unfortunately with Windows 7 approaching, users could never have needed a utility to strip down Windows more, as the installer will copy all files for the Ultimate Edition to the users hard disk regardless of the version they bought, and will leave them there, functionless, until the user pays Microsoft more money to “activate” them." | May 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: no worries, it'll be back too | May 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | I just put back the s/w and databases, not external files | May 17 09:19 |
| shreddar | Well then! | May 17 09:20 |
| shreddar | I can hardly wait. | May 17 09:20 |
| shreddar | This time I save 'em for my keeping. | May 17 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/did-microsoft-hire-maker-of-nlite-and-vlite/ | May 17 09:24 |
| *shreddar satisfied and sleepy | May 17 09:24 | |
| shreddar | I'm turning in for the night. | May 17 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | The FOSS betrayers are at it again (against FOSS): "Tim O'Reilly has been stating for years that open source qua licensing is dead, and that the real debate/interest has moved to open source's attributes of open, community-based collaboration." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10241865-16.html | May 17 09:29 |
| schestowitz | This shows how selfish they are. The ORLY group | May 17 09:29 |
| tessier | I've never heard him say that. | May 17 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, but Asay says so | May 17 09:31 |
| tessier | If he did I bet he meant the discussion of it is dead. And it mostly is. Everyone has taken their sides already. | May 17 09:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are multiple IPs knocking on the server? | May 17 09:31 |
| tessier | They were. All tor exit nodes. | May 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 09:32 |
| tessier | But either they have all been firewalled off or the attacker gave up. | May 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I guess someone does not love the Web site | May 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Right now I get: "Error establishing a database connection" | May 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | I suppose it's still ongoing some wor | May 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | *work (server) | May 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | I see that the Wiki too has no access to its database | May 17 09:43 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thank you so much for all this. | May 17 09:44 |
| tessier | No problem | May 17 09:47 |
| schestowitz | This actually gives a form of defense to us, stating that we came under DDOS attacks. There was slander some years ago about Groklaw members DDOSing Sys-con. It's a lie, Sys-con said publicly that it's false, but the lie lives on. | May 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Groklaw was DDOSed though. Not as far as I know. | May 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | tessier: could you put some offending IPs so that I can look them up and see if more than one is located in Germany? | May 17 09:50 |
| schestowitz | This might help in finding the route/root of the problem | May 17 09:50 |
| schestowitz | I see the attackers are back as soon as the DB is there. Load avg: 47.44, 23.59, 10.65 | May 17 09:54 |
| tessier | I wouldn't recommend posting that the attackers were sucessful | May 17 09:57 |
| tessier | It only encourages them. | May 17 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/content.aspx?displaylang=en&pg=counterfeit | May 17 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | May 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | here is my message from 2-3 days ago: | May 17 10:12 |
| schestowitz | "I notice that the account has been on- and off-line for some moments. In case it helps, I noticed that the swap was used (like 33% despite the fact that only about 40% of RAM was used). Having looked at my logs over the night, it doesn't seem as though there was any suspicious activity, but maybe there was DDOS. The account usually keeps a low load by caching. " | May 17 10:12 |
| schestowitz | So I was right at the time, but the host said nothing | May 17 10:12 |
| schestowitz | They have just respondes | May 17 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Responsed | May 17 10:12 |
| schestowitz | *ded, saying it's an issue of abuse against the server (DDOS) | May 17 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Sorry schestowitz I got pulled away. | May 17 10:14 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean pulled. | May 17 10:14 |
| schestowitz | By "abuse" they probably mean abuse against the server by the attackers. | May 17 10:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's DDOS | May 17 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Tor | May 17 10:14 |
| schestowitz | The older host says they have been treating it as "abuse" too | May 17 10:14 |
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| oiaohm | Can you delete taht last message of yours schestowitz | May 17 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Rule of DDOS attacks never own up to. | May 17 10:17 |
| tessier | Yep | May 17 10:17 |
| schestowitz | sure | May 17 10:17 |
| oiaohm | You had configuration problems schestowitz | May 17 10:17 |
| schestowitz | will delete it | May 17 10:17 |
| tacone | uh, wow, up again | May 17 10:18 |
| oiaohm | I get many annoyed letters from people using tor that I block the tor network. | May 17 10:19 |
| schestowitz | tacone: ddos | May 17 10:19 |
| schestowitz | same as in thurs | May 17 10:19 |
| schestowitz | host been invetigating too | May 17 10:19 |
| oiaohm | too many people use it for ddos attacks. | May 17 10:19 |
| oiaohm | I would thank them in a way. It showed a load handing problem. | May 17 10:20 |
| oiaohm | media wiki does not fail cleanly. | May 17 10:20 |
| schestowitz | i disables wkimedia | May 17 10:21 |
| schestowitz | didn't reduce lod | May 17 10:21 |
| schestowitz | didn't reduce load | May 17 10:21 |
| tacone | no ? | May 17 10:21 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Watch the timings: | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:34am: <schestowitz> Eek | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:34am: <schestowitz> Error pages | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: * Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <oiaohm> Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> hahahaha | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 10:22 |
| tessier | Load is going down. It has automatically blocked most of the tor IP's by now probably | May 17 10:22 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thank you| | May 17 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Simple filter on source site tor-proxy.* takes out most tor-proxys in existance. | May 17 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I see load going down again | May 17 10:23 |
| schestowitz | This one we have looks like "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe others (I don't know) | May 17 10:23 |
| oiaohm | All of them are basically tor-proxy.* | May 17 10:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I don't think it was related to any CMS at all. | May 17 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki and looked at server load | May 17 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Freenode uses a simpler filter when it kills of tor networks when it under attack. | May 17 10:24 |
| schestowitz | It was the same pretty much | May 17 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I had the Wiki down for about 15 minutes and it didn't solve it | May 17 10:24 |
| oiaohm | we still have to find out why media wiki is not failing clean under load. | May 17 10:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | May 17 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Giving me download index.php is not a clean failure. | May 17 10:25 |
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| oiaohm | Cannot connect to database or http error code is a clean failure. | May 17 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Not half way. | May 17 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I see... well, I didn't see how the wiki failed before | May 17 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I had DDOS on schestowitz.com in 2005 | May 17 10:27 |
| schestowitz | But not quite on the same scale I think. My host was helpful, but it took a lot of effort | May 17 10:27 |
| tacone | i oiaohm that may be an apache fail | May 17 10:28 |
| oiaohm | tacone: apache config fail. | May 17 10:28 |
| tacone | malformed headers | May 17 10:28 |
| tacone | no | May 17 10:28 |
| tacone | config ? | May 17 10:28 |
| oiaohm | http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ Putting something like this auditing headers can reduce problems. | May 17 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Setting appache in case of incomplete processing drop to web error message. | May 17 10:29 |
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| oiaohm | Basically not failing clean one way or the other is a configuration erorr tacone | May 17 10:30 |
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| tessier | Load is well below 1 and seems to be staying there. I'm going to get some sleep. ttyl | May 17 10:31 |
| oiaohm | tessier: have some good Zzzz. | May 17 10:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks! | May 17 10:33 |
| schestowitz | :-) load average: 0.36, 4.44, 12.87 | May 17 10:34 |
| tacone | buono | May 17 10:34 |
| tacone | errr. good. | May 17 10:34 |
| oiaohm | We will still have to look at fitting some heavier defences schestowitz. | May 17 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I am actually somewhat relieved to know it's not that our site malfunctions due to s/w but that it's a malicious attack that will pass | May 17 10:35 |
| tacone | schestowitz: will you blog about all that gartner toilette paper in the next days ? | May 17 10:35 |
| schestowitz | The other host has said it was a "Web abuse" issue since it look at in on Thurs | May 17 10:35 |
| oiaohm | malicious attacks that have lasted this long will be back in a different form. | May 17 10:35 |
| schestowitz | They actually let the account stay up there under attack between around midnight to 9am on Friday | May 17 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Then they try to put it back up | May 17 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe with filters | May 17 10:36 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I have a long post about it coming | May 17 10:36 |
| tacone | nice. there are many little things in that document | May 17 10:36 |
| tacone | sadly, i have broken internet at home right now | May 17 10:37 |
| tacone | so my blog superpowers are reduced | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | There are now two servers with BN accounts on them | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | But only one is open to connections | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | tacone: quadruple the #s | May 17 10:37 |
| oiaohm | an HTTP/HTTPS sanitizer: Pound will verify requests for correctness and accept only well-formed ones. << It would be interesting to test attack against pound filter. | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Many people will read summaries or other site | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Or the blog that links to a blog that... | May 17 10:37 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://www.osdir.com/Article10282.phtml | May 17 10:38 |
| schestowitz | See discussion | May 17 10:38 |
| oiaohm | If it will make it fail we have a secound wall. | May 17 10:38 |
| tacone | the what ? | May 17 10:38 |
| schestowitz | About your findings | May 17 10:38 |
| schestowitz | tacone: numbers | May 17 10:38 |
| tacone | oh let me see | May 17 10:38 |
| schestowitz | tacone: always remember the sort of 'whisper effect' | May 17 10:39 |
| schestowitz | You say X\ | May 17 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Then the reader passes on X+-Y to another person | May 17 10:39 |
| schestowitz | So any site can have impact even without direct visitors | May 17 10:39 |
| tacone | well | May 17 10:39 |
| schestowitz | There's also those who just read the LinuxToday/Slashdot/TuxMachines summary/whatever | May 17 10:39 |
| tacone | it was me to send to slashdot :) | May 17 10:39 |
| schestowitz | And then there's long-going effect of being on Goolgle | May 17 10:40 |
| schestowitz | newspapers don't have that | May 17 10:40 |
| schestowitz | One day you read the paper, the next day it's in the bin for good | May 17 10:40 |
| oiaohm | So you have A and B servers. | May 17 10:40 |
| tacone | i hope linuxtoday publish it also, but i didn't send it to them, because i already sent another news | May 17 10:40 |
| schestowitz | The Internet ensures that data lasts | May 17 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Need to be set with different passwords of course schestowitz. | May 17 10:40 |
| schestowitz | That's why BN gets a lot of visits, mostly older posts | May 17 10:40 |
| tacone | i'd just like people to mirror the pdf instead of linking my site | May 17 10:40 |
| oiaohm | So that if someone does get in you have a plan b. | May 17 10:40 |
| tacone | i'd not like gartner attention on me :) | May 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Some sites have poor shelf life, esp. those that aggregate news, unlike say, academic papers | May 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | May 17 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death | May 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: here's a thought | May 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah, attribution helps though | May 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, with control on all DNS entries right now I can also swap between accounts | May 17 10:42 |
| schestowitz | So it's more robust to failure | May 17 10:42 |
| oiaohm | And when you close comments. | May 17 10:42 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I get a lot of hits on "gartner" something | May 17 10:42 |
| schestowitz | They obviously hare me | May 17 10:42 |
| oiaohm | You can also use DNS to share load roughtly between both servers. | May 17 10:42 |
| tacone | what people don't get about that document | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Because I showed their corruption though old studies, Comes exhibits, etc. | May 17 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie DNS sharing cannot have open editing. | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | People in LinuxToday use these to kick em to the curb | May 17 10:43 |
| tacone | is that gartner suggests to not switch to linux because the cost of the migration | May 17 10:43 |
| oiaohm | There are migration issues. | May 17 10:43 |
| tacone | you're in jail, and escaping from jail costs a lot. just stay there and pay the rent | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 10:43 |
| oiaohm | I know them too well. | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | tacone: TCO | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | You know who invented TCO? | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | And Garrner | May 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Sitting together | May 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Search "TCO gartner" on BN | May 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | We have exhibits and also such accusations from CIOs who didn't have the docs to show it | May 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I intend to make a big Wiki profile just for Gartner | May 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | And one for Zuck too | May 17 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Migration issues can be reduced by piece by peice removal of like MS office. | May 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Some Europeans who are involved in law-making I'm in touch with hate Zuck with passion | May 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | They ask me to create a resource to which they can point to show what he is. | May 17 10:45 |
| *schestowitz looks at load avg : 0.77, 1.33, 6.62 | May 17 10:45 | |
| schestowitz | I'm also passing the peripheral files to the server ATM | May 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | So we can have a snapshot on tessier's server | May 17 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I ended up just turning back the clock on my computer to get out of buying Windows 98 | May 17 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | that was pretty funny | May 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | It's possible that the older host will bring back the site after the investigation is over | May 17 10:46 |
| oiaohm | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/query-cache.html just wondering if the mysql where you are has this. | May 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Then we have the site on two servers | May 17 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | I also got a trial version of Windows 2000 with a class I took | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I has Win98 | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | My last one | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Not good | May 17 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | all you had to do was set the clock 1,000 years in the future | May 17 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | then install it | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | I recall days when I woke up to BSoD | May 17 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Not having it would explain why the load spreed was wrong for what I was expecting schestowitz. | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | *Ds | May 17 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | then set the clock back | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | The trauma lives on distantly | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | I now find my PC always working when I wake up | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | └─(10:47 $)─> uptime | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | 10:47:51 up 73 days, 20:06, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.97, 1.11 | May 17 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | there's always a way to easily use Windows for free | May 17 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | they never try real hard to stop that either | May 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | For a desktop under a variety of loads and activities that's pretty good. Considering all it has been through after that last boot back in March | May 17 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 doesn't even check for or kill any software based OEM BIOS loaders | May 17 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | SP1 killed a few cracks that weren't all that difficult to spot | May 17 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | but they have never made a real effort to crack down on anyone | May 17 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | just enough to inconvenience you into maybe buying it | May 17 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | May 17 10:50 |
| schestowitz | I thought you had left rudely :-) | May 17 10:50 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i'm connecting from macosx tethered to an iphone | May 17 10:51 |
| tacone | it's not an ideal situation, really | May 17 10:51 |
| tacone | i've no cable internet at home right now, it broke. | May 17 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Funny one is most of MS attempts to crack down gets people who are not gulity DaemonFC | May 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | nah | May 17 10:52 |
| tacone | i may have missed some msg, also | May 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | nothing can compare to the time their activation server went down | May 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | and everyone who had a WGA check got flagged as a pirate for 3 days | May 17 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I was forgetting about that. | May 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | that was truly epic | May 17 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, which is why Vista doesn't shut you out anymore | May 17 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you fail a WEGA check | May 17 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | *WGA | May 17 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | it just bitches every hour and turns off Aero and your wallpaper | May 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: heh. Hypephone | May 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's not about catching | May 17 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | basically if you turn off balloon tips it can't even bitch | May 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It's about creating fear | May 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Like "terror" tactics | May 17 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | so you get a free copy of what amounts to Vista Bacis with no wallpaper | May 17 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | "we're onto you" type message | May 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | For compliance | May 17 10:54 |
| tacone | schestowitz: let's not even start about apple stuff. i've got to meet those bitches in person, one day... | May 17 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I got flagged when I used XP | May 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Through fear and case studies. Same in the UK when it comes to all sorts of abuse-sensitive things. | May 17 10:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: heh. OK | May 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | they offered to "turn it into a licensed copy" if I "bought a serial number" | May 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | funny thing is that they discounted the serial number | May 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | if you got flagged as a pirate | May 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | *and* you got a free serial if you ratted the person out who sold it to you :P | May 17 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | I remember posting "So if you want cheap XP, just install an unlicensed copy and fail WGA, you get it for half price" | May 17 10:56 |
| oiaohm | That is still double the price they sell to large companies at DaemonFC | May 17 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 17 10:57 |
| oiaohm | It the thing I hate most about MS is there sliding price scale. | May 17 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | I was just mocking them on my blog | May 17 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh no, if we catch you pirating it, we punish you buy selling you a license for half price!" | May 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | *by | May 17 10:58 |
| oiaohm | If you are a large company that could support Linux so your sub companies will use windows MS will basically give you windows for nothing. | May 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | I was saying the wost that could happen is you get it hald price | May 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 17 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, they don't do that with Vista | May 17 10:59 |
| oiaohm | You do know there is a training install key for XP that will always fail WGA. | May 17 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | ? | May 17 10:59 |
| _boo_ | that's a total genocide against one man (reducing price to half) | May 17 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Its the key you use as a partner for training people how to use preinstallation kit DaemonFC. | May 17 11:00 |
| _boo_ | just against geneva convention | May 17 11:00 |
| oiaohm | The key cannot ever complete WGA. | May 17 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, how does "We sell it to unlicensed users that got it for the pirate bay for half price" send a message that you should buy it in the first place? | May 17 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:00 |
| oiaohm | A few people I know got there half price XP that way. | May 17 11:00 |
| oiaohm | But for free. | May 17 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | *from | May 17 11:01 |
| oiaohm | since they were staff they could say where they got key from and it was legal. | May 17 11:01 |
| _boo_ | so half price of for free is for free | May 17 11:01 |
| oiaohm | They had installed a preinstallation and just run WGA. | May 17 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | then there was one copy of the WGA software that always spit out a valid code | May 17 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | if you ran it in Windows 2000 compatibility mode | May 17 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Unless your key matched 2000 training key. | May 17 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | there was no WGA or activation for Windows 2000 | May 17 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | just a serial number | May 17 11:03 |
| oiaohm | There is a training serial number for Windows 2000 | May 17 11:03 |
| oiaohm | All versions of Windows have one. | May 17 11:04 |
| _boo_ | they gonna run out of serial numbers | May 17 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Never. | May 17 11:04 |
| _boo_ | if they produce new windows at this rate | May 17 11:04 |
| oiaohm | OEM Partner and Volume are different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Inside OEM there are 6 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Inside Partner there are 4 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Inside Volume there are 8 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | So far. | May 17 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 was actually quit good | May 17 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | really fast | May 17 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | *quite | May 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Note a OEM key will work on a Partner and Volume disk. | May 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | But a Partner key only works on a Partner disk. | May 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Same with a volume key. | May 17 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed the Republican party was hosting John McCain's website on Windows 2000 | May 17 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | Barack Obama's was being hosted on Linux | May 17 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | I kept wondering when McCain's site was going to be attacked | May 17 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it didn't happen | May 17 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Windows 2000 is quite strong. | May 17 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't trust any version of Windows as a web server | May 17 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Last of the NT line to follow the NT design book. | May 17 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | you've got balls if you expose a Windows machine to the web that way | May 17 11:09 |
| oiaohm | 2003 is softer than 2000. | May 17 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2003 doesn't make a bad desktop | May 17 11:10 |
| *ziggyfish has quit ("Leaving") | May 17 11:10 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I will make some posts | May 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | And make backups for merger later | May 17 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Hmm I just got database error schestowitz | May 17 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Does that happen every time you are doing backups schestowitz? | May 17 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thehotfix.net/index.php/component/content/article/1-latest/1163-mark-russinovich-explains-minwin-once-and-for-all | May 17 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | "So rejoice, armchair kernel enthusiasts! Microsoft is tidying house inside “Cutler’s NT”, and Windows 7 is the next step (the first being the componentization work from Windows Vista) in the massive decade-long operation to optimize and refactor the Windows codebase." | May 17 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah | May 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | they've optimized it all the way up to 10 times the CPU requirement of Windows 2000 | May 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | and 20 times the RAM | May 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear | May 17 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Cutler was a good designer. | May 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Attack seems to be back | May 17 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | if you sacrificed all of the RAM a Windows XP machine requires, Vista could not even load its shell :P | May 17 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | much less anything else | May 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, it happens when server load goes up | May 17 11:16 |
| schestowitz | load average: 23.68, 16.88, 9.27 | May 17 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | I thought that line was funny in the UNIX Haters Handbook | May 17 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | (from 1994 perspective) | May 17 11:17 |
| schestowitz | squid is running though | May 17 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | "If you sacrificed all the RAM in 50 Commodore 64's, X could not tell you what time it was" | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | op - 03:31:44 up 9:15, 1 user, load average: 18.60, 16.88, 9.76 | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Tasks: 212 total, 12 running, 198 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 94.5%us, 4.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.5%st | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3358672k used, 761904k free, 11432k buffers | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 894920k used, 3299376k free, 347900k cached | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | 8685 apache 15 0 262m 37m 4392 S 7 0.9 0:06.42 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | 21167 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3420 S 7 0.8 0:00.96 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | 21906 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3384 S 7 0.8 0:01.01 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | 21177 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3516 S 6 0.8 0:01.06 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
| schestowitz | 21914 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3436 S 6 0.8 0:01. | May 17 11:18 |
| *DaemonFC wonders when schestowitz is going to jsut redirect to Novell's website and deflect the attack to them | May 17 11:19 | |
| DaemonFC | that's what I said about the SCO worm too | May 17 11:19 |
| tacone | still the website is working fine | May 17 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | "If I was them I'd redirect the sco domain to kernel.org" | May 17 11:19 |
| tacone | even under attack | May 17 11:19 |
| zoobab01 | Roy: put a lighttpd or xitami cache as a frontend | May 17 11:19 |
| zoobab01 | apache sucks | May 17 11:20 |
| tacone | i don't think it's a good attacker. just a script kid | May 17 11:20 |
| tacone | i agree on the cache front end, but i don't know if the isp makes it possible. | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | top - 03:34:06 up 9:18, 1 user, load average: 10.96, 15.75, 10.42 | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Still under attack though | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: not apache | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | And tessier has apache | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | It's DDOS | May 17 11:20 |
| zoobab01 | from whom? | May 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Tor in Germany | May 17 11:21 |
| tacone | he will get tired | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe other countries too | May 17 11:21 |
| tacone | it's just ab testing the site | May 17 11:21 |
| oiaohm | lighttpd xitami and pound and others can filter. | May 17 11:21 |
| zoobab01 | I use Tor a lot, but not for exit nodes | May 17 11:21 |
| zoobab01 | xitami has a filter | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, exit nodes in this case | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Flooding the server with it | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | We have squid now | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | That's what harmed the other host too | May 17 11:21 |
| zoobab01 | ok | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | They still investigate | May 17 11:21 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I think you cannot spread the word about it | May 17 11:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm says it encourages the attackers | May 17 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I will try to post as though all is OK | May 17 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll track down the crooks | May 17 11:22 |
| tacone | well, bringing the site down encourages them | May 17 11:22 |
| tacone | if it doesn't go down this time, then they may resign | May 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | The 'good' thing of all this is that we were forced to put the account on a second server. | May 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. | May 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I will post something good | May 17 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | looks like MS plans a SP3 for Vista | May 17 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:23 |
| tacone | schestowitz: thank the wp-cache plugin | May 17 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | they started labeling post-SP2 hotfixes as targeting Vista SP3 | May 17 11:23 |
| tacone | it's enough to put off the attacker, at least for now. | May 17 11:24 |
| tacone | sure, the attacker may be more clever and get round of it, but I don't think he will. | May 17 11:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah | May 17 11:29 |
| schestowitz | tacone: well, it behaves OK without caching too | May 17 11:30 |
| schestowitz | It's an almost dedicated server | May 17 11:30 |
| tacone | schestowitz: want to see something hilarious ? | May 17 11:31 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes,please. | May 17 11:31 |
| tacone | http://huayra.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/on-the-technology-behind-ubuntuone-ifolder-mono-and-all-that-jazz/ | May 17 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I could use some humours | May 17 11:31 |
| schestowitz | The past 2 days were no fund:-) | May 17 11:31 |
| schestowitz | *fun | May 17 11:32 |
| tacone | also my comment was censored | May 17 11:32 |
| tacone | and the last comment is pretty funny | May 17 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "The client side seems to be free software and based in mono (since it seems to use the iFolder client code base, although this might be wrong as this mono assumption is based on a comment on my blog." | May 17 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Added to my next Mono post | May 17 11:33 |
| tacone | lol | May 17 11:33 |
| tacone | he's waiting for people bashing canonical for Mono adoption. lol | May 17 11:34 |
| tacone | he didn't even checked the source before spreading crap. | May 17 11:34 |
| schestowitz | So it ain;t true, right? | May 17 11:35 |
| schestowitz | You said python | May 17 11:35 |
| tacone | python yep | May 17 11:35 |
| tacone | canonical does python. and does c where it can't use python | May 17 11:35 |
| tacone | there's no reason for them to adopt another language. | May 17 11:36 |
| tacone | i'm pretty sure it's all python on the server side also. | May 17 11:36 |
| tacone | that's easy to know, anyway, you just have to ask in #ubuntuone | May 17 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | May 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Have you got the censored comment? | May 17 11:37 |
| tacone | this freak just thought it was a good occasion to join the 'drop that box' campaign also called 'mono vs dropbox' | May 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I will point out the mistake later | May 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | As I point out (and I mean it), I will no longer comment in blogs. Just USENET, IRC, and BN | May 17 11:38 |
| tacone | jorge and a bunch of other people are partecipating also. | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | in USENET I sign my posts with PGP | May 17 11:38 |
| tacone | yes, i've suggest him to google better | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Jorge? | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 11:38 |
| tacone | to correct his article | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | That one | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Not Schilling | May 17 11:38 |
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| tacone | and asked him if the article was about ubuntuone or mono. | May 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Squid is doing a good job keeping the server reasonably responsive | May 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Tasks: 186 total, 23 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 95.1%us, 4.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.3%st | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3029236k used, 1091340k free, 13316k buffers | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 886192k used, 3308104k free, 388360k cached | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 1794 plone 15 0 658m 445m 1736 S 0 11.1 16:33.68 python | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 22132 squid 16 0 115m 70m 2232 R 1 1.8 0:02.30 squid | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 20285 apache 15 0 324m 50m 5676 S 0 1.3 0:02.34 httpd | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 30174 mysql 16 0 487m 48m 3532 R 7 1.2 33:19.40 mysqld | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | 17596 apache 15 0 267m 41m 4404 S 9 1.0 0:06.83 httpd | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: hey | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Just doing a quick check to see if the crackers are not stalking via IRC | May 17 11:40 |
| schestowitz | vicious DDOS. The perps are still trying new routes. | May 17 11:42 |
| oiaohm | squid also filters out some mail formed crap. | May 17 11:43 |
| oiaohm | mal formed crap | May 17 11:43 |
| schestowitz | It's, a mail server | May 17 11:44 |
| schestowitz | That's what python is about there | May 17 11:45 |
| oiaohm | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page nothing displayed to me. | May 17 11:46 |
| tacone | works for me | May 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | It's touch and go | May 17 11:46 |
| oiaohm | It workign for me now. | May 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes works, sometimes not | May 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | But let's keep it online | May 17 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Might discourage the crooks | May 17 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I assume they found a away around Tor filters | May 17 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Those big companies are scary | May 17 11:47 |
| oiaohm | maybe we need to ask google for assissance. | May 17 11:47 |
| schestowitz | They can pay a little check for some kid in Korea to attack a site of choice with his mates | May 17 11:47 |
| schestowitz | But it would take a lot of evidence to show that it's not some SUSE fans who do this | May 17 11:48 |
| oiaohm | They have had a recent run in with guys like this. | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Who in Google? | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I only correspoond with two people there | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | DiBona and Cutts | May 17 11:48 |
| tacone | cutts ? | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you mean for censoring posts? | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I tried | May 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Google Groups | May 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | PJ told me to at least try to get rid of it | May 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | She used a nice analogy of diapers with poo that ends up all over the place if you don't clean up early | May 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | But Google won't remove those posts anyway | May 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I started using PGP for everything in USENET one year ago | May 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I also dumped Digg after commenting like 14,000 times there | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I got abused like twitter in Slahshdot | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Many imposters, vicious attacks, krama mining and mod bombing. | May 17 11:50 |
| zoobab01 | :-) | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I guess the crooks got their way | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I no longer use Digg | May 17 11:50 |
| zoobab01 | microsoft shills | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Intimidation | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I know what these are | May 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | The likes of Flatfish | May 17 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing ... < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-stewart-flatfish-troll-unmasked/ > | May 17 11:51 |
| oiaohm | http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Outages-Continue-for-Google-Services/story.xhtml?story_id=033003QU7BXU They had a recent load cascade schestowitz. Ask Cutts if google has anything they can recommend to assist with problem. | May 17 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Staying up under high load is the same as staying up under attack. | May 17 11:52 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, Digg is useless | May 17 11:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: who in Google to ask? | May 17 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like Microsoft and John McCain have something in common | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | They don't like it when I toss my problems on them (not the right staff) | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to ruin channels of comms there | May 17 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | paying rooms of people to each assume dozens of identities | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you did't know?S | May 17 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | and write favorable thigns about them | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for mccain MS | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Apart from McCain inviting Ballmer to his cabinet.. | May 17 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | well, if I can access it :P | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | There's also the antitrust issue | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Patent law (sw patents) | May 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | And lots more | May 17 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I am not exactly sure the correct person at there end to talk to. Cutts is normally nice to point in right direction in case of problem schestowitz. | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | load average: 13.45, 14.29, 15.75 | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Attackers are weakening | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: cutts deals with spam | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | I gave him some lists with others who were in AISE (USENET) | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Helping defeat the spammers is good for everyone | May 17 11:57 |
| tacone | cutts deals with spam. spam in a wider sense | May 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Cutts also knows about me exposing MS' attacks on Google | May 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | A friend has just sent me a suggested script | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | This might be of use, though modded for port 80: | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | If you work with the remote server save a *known good* copy. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | iptables-save > /tmp/iptable.good | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Then prepare a test script, separate from your current filter script. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Them *before* messing with the filter, set up (and test) the safety restore: | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | echo "/sbin/iptables-restore </tmp/iptables.good" \ | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | | at now +3 minutes | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Then run the above "at" rescue each time just before testing any new | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | configurations. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Below is such a script. Verify for yourself before trying on your | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | production machine, I'm good at making typos. It should go in | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | /etc/init.d/ when you are happy with it. Use update-rc.d to populate | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | the runlevels. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | eth0 is hard-coded, that's a faux pax which you can fix if you wish. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | I have not done any tricks with ssh, though. That is needed. | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | === | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | So I have this good script for when tessier comes back | May 17 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's biggest problem is that software doesn't wear out | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | They spoke about it | May 17 11:59 |
| oiaohm | That script can help. | May 17 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | so they force it into early reiterment by yanking support for various runtimes | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | They must force people to buy more versions | May 17 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | or programs | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Bitrot and all | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I have lots od material about it, DaemonFC | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Will do a post about it one dauy | May 17 12:00 |
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| DaemonFC | well, they don't want a repeat of XP | May 17 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Cutts dealing with spam also would have have to contact people to deal with dos problem caused by attempted spamming. | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I'll mail it to Tracy | May 17 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | so now they've made sure to cut off support for "home" versions after 5 years | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I'll mail him then | May 17 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | by the time they cut off XP Home it will be 13 years old | May 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | But what the heck to say? | May 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Dear Matt, long time no hear, we have Tor users DDOSing us. Pls help!!111 | May 17 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Kinda of. | May 17 12:01 |
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| Omar87 | Hello | May 17 12:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I may grab vLite and put my new Vista SP2 ISO under the knife | May 17 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:03 |
| MinceR | j0 | May 17 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | should be interesting to see how much crap I can easily throw out | May 17 12:03 |
| _boo_ | wow, vista is sp2 already | May 17 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | I gave the SP1 a good once over to just count the size reduction of the installation | May 17 12:04 |
| tacone | schestowitz: one guy answered to me on ubuntuone channel | May 17 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | I cut 6 gigabytes | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | without even trying | May 17 12:04 |
| tacone | the server side is unsurprisingly made of python and django. | May 17 12:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | Dear Matt sorry to bother you we have tor users DDOSing us if you know something or someone who could be assistance. I would greatly appreate your help. schestowitz | May 17 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | _boo_: I have the leaked Technet ISO | May 17 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Times like this you pull in favors schestowitz. | May 17 12:04 |
| Omar87 | I've been in an argument earlier today with one of my colleagues, and in the end we came to a conclusion that not Microsoft nor Novell nor any proprietary company in the world (even non-IT companies) are not the real enemy. The real enemy is the Capitalistic regime as a whole. Microsoft and it's other clones are merely the fruits of Capitalism. What do you guys think of that? | May 17 12:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Criminals exist in every regime. | May 17 12:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Capitalistic or what ever makes no difference. | May 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: thanks | May 17 12:07 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm_: That's true. | May 17 12:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of what Microsoft and Novell has done over the years is out side the law. | May 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: done | May 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | DDOS+Tor issue.. | May 17 12:08 |
| _boo_ | will novell be bought by m$ finally? | May 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Google has something to say | May 17 12:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What? | May 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | AT&T denies it was its fault | May 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | wb, Omar87 BTW | May 17 12:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks. | May 17 12:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What is DDOS and Tor? | May 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Boycott Novell has been under DDOS attack for 3 days now. We're still struggling to just stay online while hosts investigate where the attacks come from. | May 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | I invite you to read | May 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | May 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Not related but on we move | May 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Showing the crackers they can't silence us | May 17 12:09 |
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| oiaohm_ | Really Microsoft and Novell cannot be used as examples of failures of a Capitalistic regime. | May 17 12:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | They are more examples of how any regime can get infected over time by crime. | May 17 12:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not like Microsoft has not tried to bend china to there will. | May 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Turns out it's not the fault of the host, so let's not chuck them yet. They, like the new host, are fighting DDOS attacks from Tor. | May 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | But the host seems to have actually taken some steps to investigate | May 17 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://chattahbox.com/technology/2009/05/11/conficker-worm-infects-hospital-mri-machines/ | May 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | This is no fun (only slept 4 hours last night), but it means we piss off some people. So I guess we at least have impact on the matters we address. | May 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: old news? | May 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh, MRI?? | May 17 12:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Its new schestowitz | May 17 12:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not a machine you want infected either. | May 17 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes | May 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | It was medical equipment before, but not specified | May 17 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | MRI is more specific | May 17 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | I was gonna say | May 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | I did some MRI for a friend | May 17 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | that scares the shit out of me | May 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | She's more into the imaging stuff than me. Experimental research... I just do more coding, she's doing acquisition | May 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | She moves to North Carolina, so she's no longer a colleague :-( | May 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | I have my brain dataset on my site... 3D for download | May 17 12:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Instead of never commenting out side your site anymore, why not placing a side-widget on your page listing links to all your outside comments, so if anything isn't listed there then it's simply not yours? | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it crashed | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Wndows | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | At one point when I came to the facility it crashes | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | They use Windows | May 17 12:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Only MRI scan I had the bugger crashed while I was inside. | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Philipps puts a nice GUI, but on the wrong OS | May 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Not very funny when you're inside the room | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | As I was | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: oh, so you TOO? | May 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Halfway threw scan. | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what AV SW did they run? :-) | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | This is ridiculius | May 17 12:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I mean, in other words, it's okay to be cautious, but I don't think it's okay to let your cautions isolate you from the out-side world, right? | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Philips should get a clue | May 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes. | May 17 12:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | It was scaning my passages around my nose to work out if anything could be done to fix them. | May 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm_ | So it was a segment scan. | May 17 12:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, what do you think of the side widget idea? | May 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm_ | It was windows something. | May 17 12:18 |
| oiaohm_ | I have my reasons to hate windows. | May 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Shane: "The issue is open for days without any update or response. When I ran a support group at CA, I'd have heads on a platter for that. Totally unprofessional. | May 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Shit, I'd rather they said "we really don't know when it'll be working again, we're being bombarded" rather than just the sounds of crickets chirping. Guess that's why they were cheap." | May 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | I guess we'll dump the host anyway; not sure, yet | May 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Another friend says: "Hey dude, all my solidarity. I read the "Why Some People Won't Comment in Other Web Sites"; keep hitting hard." | May 17 12:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Be stuck in a machine for 15 mins because where it stoped is causing reboot to fail is not fun. | May 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: can it cause damage? | May 17 12:19 |
| oiaohm_ | MRI not normally. | May 17 12:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem is incorrect data from a MRI could cause incorrect operations to be performed. | May 17 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 17 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz | May 17 12:21 |
| oiaohm_ | It would be like screwing up blood processing. | May 17 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | you don't suppose that your domain could have been randomly generated | May 17 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | by Conficker? | May 17 12:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Not conficker style to use tor | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Shane wants to humiliate the host. | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about it... | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > This has gotten absurd, I've opened a 2nd issue and it was closed as a | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > dupe, "...we fully understand the urgency of this situation. Our Abuse & | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > Security Team is still reviewing this issue, and will respond to this | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > ticket once they've concluded their analysis of this situation." | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | May 17 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | > So, we are at an impasse, and it does seem like they are holding your | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > info hostage. Perhaps an article is in order that points that out and | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > helps all your readers find surpasshosting's message board or something | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > (not a DDOS, that'd be immature, more of a gently slashdotting...) | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | I was advised not to advertise the DDOS as it would encourage the crackers to carry on. They are still at it. | May 17 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | just wondering | May 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what to do | May 17 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Ban TOR users? | May 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | They still ignore our requests for status info | May 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: already done | May 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | They must have found other routes | May 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | load average: 22.75, 21.00, 17.05 | May 17 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | TOR was a noble gesture but it was ripe for abuse from the start | May 17 12:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Next is routing from tor to other proxies. | May 17 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | there are compromised host blocklists | May 17 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | that are used by big IRC servers | May 17 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | maybe schestowitz could use that? | May 17 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | they block all the obvious crap at least | May 17 12:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem is tracing these kinds of attacks are hard. | May 17 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Depends on persistence of attackers | May 17 12:26 |
| schestowitz | China almost took down CNN | May 17 12:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: should I write about it? I think not after what you said. Shane is angry at the host. | May 17 12:26 |
| schestowitz | He pays them for bad service | May 17 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd start by blocking bogon, hijacked ranges, and zombies | May 17 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | followed by TOR and open relays | May 17 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's 99% of your trouble | May 17 12:27 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: host did not handle it the best. But no point yelling at them. They still have logs and other data that could be useful to us. | May 17 12:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically only burn your bridges when you no longer need them schestowitz. Remind Shane of that. | May 17 12:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Job at moment is just keep on working out ways of harding and keeping on operating. | May 17 12:30 |
| MinceR | re < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ >: it's probably possible to sign plaintext with PGP and then post it on most forums/sites that allow comments -- verifying the signature is nontrivial though :) | May 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm_ | You have the power to kick users out right schestowitz? | May 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm_ | of this channel. | May 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Eject mib_2liaum | May 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Only person in here without a clear traceable path. | May 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I need to wait for tessier | May 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | He's the one with handle on the server | May 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, I told him that. The host might be doing something | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | But it's as though it's secretive | May 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Ok as long as you know who it is. | May 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm_ | I was doing a basic possiable rat audit. | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: : the issue is this | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they don't believe me | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Like Byfield | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | The cited example | May 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Like he thinks I lied about it being a faker | May 17 12:34 |
| schestowitz | With PGP you can prove | May 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | and PGP signed messages are just plain text | May 17 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | odd that BLAG bases off Fedora and not Debian | May 17 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | if they dislike companies so much | May 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | (i don't know how they cope with whitespace being altered though) | May 17 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | isn't Debian the only notable Linux distro that's not corporate sponsored? | May 17 12:35 |
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| DaemonFC | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-May/000569.html | May 17 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I can barely post | May 17 12:37 |
| schestowitz | So many errors eevn in the back end | May 17 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Still: Better an attack on the site than someone coming for an attack in person | May 17 12:37 |
| schestowitz | PJ had a spy come to her house | May 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | 2 posts this afternoon | May 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | 25 or so to go :-D | May 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | What is Going on with ASUS and GNU/Linux? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/reversal-after-eee-germany-kickbacks-sjvn/ > | May 17 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | Randall Kennedy just doesn't like anything | May 17 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | he blasted Ubuntu in another post | May 17 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | and praised Vista | May 17 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz! | May 17 12:43 |
| _Hicham_ | I am glad that BN is up! | May 17 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/ubuntu-904-more-same-519 | May 17 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | looks like they took down his Why Ubuntu Still Sucks 4 part article | May 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | the guy is a troll and a whore | May 17 12:46 |
| _Hicham_ | did u test ubuntu 9.04? | May 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not just throwing that around lightly | May 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | no, schestowitz quoted this assclown | May 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | I was just saying that this guy has no journalistic integrity | May 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | he just throws everything at the wall and sees what sticks | May 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | the more controversy he can stir up the more ad money they make | May 17 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | first he says Linux sucks so everyone rushes to his site | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | then he says Windows sucks | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | so everyone rushes to his site | May 17 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | then he says Macs suck... | May 17 12:48 |
| MinceR | well, everything sucks | May 17 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | and so on | May 17 12:48 |
| _Hicham_ | does Ubuntu feature KMS in 9.04? | May 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Update: | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > true, true. although, being down a few days probably made them think | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > they were winning. | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > I just popped around on the site - looks good, very nice job | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > transitioning over and it doesn't seem to be suffering from the load | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > yet, everything loaded right up. It's good to see BN get real hosting, | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > it deserves it, the project has grown tremendously in a short time. | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | > You've done well. | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm still uploading the rest of the files :-) | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Will still need the up-to-date ones to merge with asap. The site is still under attack BTW. | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I convinced Shane not to annoy the host just yet | May 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, Randall Kennedy hates everything | May 17 12:50 |
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| DaemonFC | "But a funny thing happened: People started trying out Ubuntu. And they found that despite the exterior polish and whiz-bang media coverage, it was still Linux at heart. And that meant lots of headaches for new users as they tried to navigate the myriad Linux hardware/software compatibility issues and to make sense of the arrogant, "pass the buck" mentality of the vaunted Linux support community." | May 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | -Randall Kennedy | May 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:50 |
| schestowitz | He was labelled a troll | May 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | In LinuxToday | May 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Google "how not to treat your readership" | May 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | From Brian Profidd | May 17 12:51 |
| _Hicham_ | he is just a jackass | May 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | *Profitt | May 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | He got blacklisted for trolling | May 17 12:51 |
| _Hicham_ | people like this one shouldn't even be mentioned | May 17 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | now how exactly does this retard get paid? | May 17 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | he contradicts himself every time he writes something | May 17 12:52 |
| _Hicham_ | that is what lazy people like | May 17 12:53 |
| _Hicham_ | when they can't use linux | May 17 12:53 |
| MinceR | contradicting yourself is commonplace in religion. | May 17 12:53 |
| _Hicham_ | like : my software won't install on linux, so linux sucks | May 17 12:53 |
| _Hicham_ | things like that | May 17 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/21297 | May 17 12:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/vista-sp2-new-gold-standard-get-used-it-964 | May 17 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's another masterpiece | May 17 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 12:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | the last thing that remains for me to get washed of Windows, is to convert the last NTFS partition, and I will be finally free | May 17 12:58 |
| _Hicham_ | ouf | May 17 12:58 |
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| *schestowitz looks at load average: 15.27, 15.58, 16.07 | May 17 13:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I have an ASUS SLP key in my BIOS :) | May 17 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | May 17 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BINGO | May 17 13:01 |
| schestowitz | You found what I was bearing in mind | May 17 13:02 |
| schestowitz | The anti-Ubuntu slalom | May 17 13:02 |
| schestowitz | And contradictions about VIsta | May 17 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | that guy just needs to shut up | May 17 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's obvious that conflict sells copies | May 17 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's using that to drive his advertising hits up | May 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hate ubuntu, Vista rules! | May 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hate Vista, Linux is better | May 17 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | haha | May 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | No, now I hate Mac | May 17 13:03 |
| oiaohm_ | freeipa I am waiting for. | May 17 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | Windows and Linux are so much better | May 17 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | the guy wants to make some money | May 17 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | he is poor | May 17 13:03 |
| _Hicham_ | he has kids | May 17 13:04 |
| oiaohm_ | It fixes one of the intergration probles. | May 17 13:04 |
| _Hicham_ | let him talk | May 17 13:04 |
| _Hicham_ | finally oiaohm is talking | May 17 13:04 |
| _Hicham_ | have u been watching a movie or what? | May 17 13:04 |
| oiaohm_ | No digging for things to help schestowitz | May 17 13:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux is not home yet. | May 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what do you mean? | May 17 13:06 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: on the digging around schestowitz seeing if any of the contacts I know can help. | May 17 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | On the Linux is not home yet. There are weakness in intergration between server and clients. | May 17 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | There is the commonly complained about video and audio software issue. Those are not long term the funding for them is coming from the blender project. | May 17 13:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Blender is in the right place to get funding on them. | May 17 13:08 |
| oiaohm_ | There are a lot of pieces in play problem is the windows users cannot see them. | May 17 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/01/security-intelligence-report-volume-6.aspx | May 17 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 17 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | One of the problems of open source is lack of skill at extracting funding. | May 17 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Blender is run by a tom a old commerial developer who does know how to extract funding. | May 17 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | So why is Vista being less affected by malware than XP? | May 17 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Like going out and making a move for people to buy. This extracted funding. Audio editors could be doing the same thing. | May 17 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | ideas? | May 17 13:11 |
| _boo_ | and the other problem is lack of documentation on project | May 17 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | What do you mean less DaemonFC | May 17 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | _boo_: blender sells documentation. | May 17 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Comparing the latest service packs for each version, the infection rate of Windows Vista SP1 is 60.6 percent less than that of Windows XP SP3." | May 17 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Commerical developer at work. | May 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: so what stops attackers is failure to cause downtime? | May 17 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: lower rate of infection is also linked to the most common install. | May 17 13:14 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ie clean. | May 17 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah I noticed that Windows 2000 SP4 was about the same as Vista SP1 | May 17 13:15 |
| *schestowitz glances at load average: 20.07, 21.21, 18.53 | May 17 13:15 | |
| DaemonFC | the most malware ended up on XP | May 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | 2000 SP4 still running is well configured servers. | May 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Mostly. | May 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | So infection rare is low. | May 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | There are many things that effect infection rate. | May 17 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | How old the system is becomes a factor. | May 17 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2009/04/13/did-you-say-malware-where.aspx | May 17 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | XP RTM has the most malware | May 17 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Its also the oldest installs in most cases. | May 17 13:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | Without secuirty updates. | May 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | 451 Group blog has been idle for ages | May 17 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | XP RTM is not supported | May 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Either vacation or problems | May 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | RedMonk doesn't seem to do so well, either | May 17 13:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: thanks for sticking around today. | May 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Notice the Vista RTM is also higher than Vista sp1 | May 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Vista has not been in the market long enough for its infection numbers to grow massively. | May 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the DDOS will actually do better to attract attention in the long term. But that's just me trying to find a positive side to a mess. | May 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux's have the same issue. | May 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Reason why old installs of Linux are frowned on DaemonFC. | May 17 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | OK, that's the number of computers per thousand | May 17 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | that the monthly malicious software removal tool removed something from | May 17 13:19 |
| oiaohm_ | And there are more XP machines out there than Vista. | May 17 13:20 |
| oiaohm_ | So if XP was not higher there would something wrong. | May 17 13:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Even today more machines are sold with XP on than Vista. | May 17 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt that | May 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | MS numbers are crap not normalised for real world. | May 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | netbooks DaemonFC | May 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | netbooks don't run vista. | May 17 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | netbooks only represent about 8% of PC sales | May 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Also lots of machines in business are downgraded from Vista to XP. | May 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Because Vista can lock up networks. | May 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | So far Windows 7 appears to be missing that evil. | May 17 13:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Lots of accountancy software also does not work under Vista. | May 17 13:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically there are huge numbers of new XP installs still. | May 17 13:25 |
| schestowitz | load average: 72.94, 35.08, 24.52 | May 17 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | May 17 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Who is mib_2liaum ? | May 17 13:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | I don't know schestowitz | May 17 13:27 |
| oiaohm_ | That is why I asked if you can kick people out of channel about him before schestowitz. | May 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | 38.88, 37.02, 26.52 | May 17 13:28 |
| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: are you there? | May 17 13:29 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.spacedaily.com/2004/040318085457.5uuqwmzs.html Somehow I don't think that gates prediction is going to happen. http://en.kioskea.net/actualites/steep-first-quarter-drop-in-worldwide-pc-sales-12545-actualite.php3 | May 17 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Which prediction? | May 17 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: are you from Massachusetts? | May 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | That's close to Novell, eh? | May 17 13:30 |
| amd-linux | gratulations, the site is up again - without the wiki but better than nothing :-) | May 17 13:30 |
| _Hicham_ | inactive people should get kicked off to save you some wasted load | May 17 13:32 |
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| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: mib_2liaum host server being comcast got my attention. | May 17 13:32 |
| _Hicham_ | why oiaohm? | May 17 13:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | Lot of people talking out against MS the attacks on them trace back to that Isp _Hicham_ | May 17 13:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Why not exactly known _Hicham_ | May 17 13:38 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is also on comcast | May 17 13:40 |
| oiaohm_ | I know him. | May 17 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're like the only place that has anything but dial up here | May 17 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | It's not my choice | May 17 13:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, but there is more about comcast | May 17 13:41 |
| schestowitz | They also attack DaemonFC from there IIRC | May 17 13:41 |
| schestowitz | And Comcast is close to MS | May 17 13:41 |
| schestowitz | But oiaohm_ | May 17 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Bat this in mind | May 17 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Some of the trolls in BN were from Comcast | May 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Specifically Massachusetts.comcat | May 17 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | And what one is mib_2liaum | May 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Waltham, Massachusetts (Novell HQ) | May 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: ma=mass. | May 17 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep. | May 17 13:42 |
| schestowitz | That's why I'm suspecting.. | May 17 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, that makes Massachusetts and Minnesota | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think not | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I caught a troll of BN posting from ms.comcast | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | He admitted he lives near Novell | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | He refuses to say who he works for | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Asked him like a dozen times | May 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Other trolls post from novell.com domain | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | I am still feeling wary cause the Tor attackers came from Germany | May 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Because of SUSE (SuSE) many trolls in BN are from there too | May 17 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls or hecklers. People who hate the site and read it | May 17 13:46 |
| schestowitz | To kick or not to kick? | May 17 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | If ti's a watcher for the crackers, then, you know.. | May 17 13:46 |
| _Hicham_ | people who hate BN should get kicked | May 17 13:47 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no doubt about that | May 17 13:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | kicked with a strong punch in the face so that they wake up and see the truth | May 17 13:50 |
| schestowitz | For security reasons (since the person won't respond) | May 17 13:51 |
| *schestowitz has kicked mib_2liaum from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | Here is the latest report from the host: | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | === | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | > Hello, | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | > | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | > I have added your reply to your other ticket GYX-727360 which is in the | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | > Abuse department. Please await their reply. | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Alex. I am grateful. | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | It is very obvious to us that it's a DDOS attack which doesn't stop. I've inquired with friends at Google to see if they know something. | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | If you guys need more details, let me know. I can send you some instructions and scripts to show how we battle the DDOS on the temporary server. The attack hits the domain not only via Tor. | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | == | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | anonymous slashdot comment http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1235565&threshold=0&commentsort=1&mode=thread&cid=27984659 | May 17 13:52 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ok mib location did not go where I expected boston ma of all places. | May 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | So a Massachusetts-based mibbit user was stuck in BN all along not replying, maybe spying? | May 17 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I was warned about these before | May 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: what's up? | May 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | What do your friends at #opensuse say? | May 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | You must be having a good time, eh? | May 17 13:58 |
| benJIman | I'm having withdrawal symptoms. | May 17 14:00 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, LOL http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/ a kid goes and uses IE6 in that add and they call it Windows Family safety | May 17 14:02 |
| trmanco | my Symbian based phone froze yesterday | May 17 14:03 |
| zer0c00l | *ad | May 17 14:03 |
| trmanco | :| | May 17 14:03 |
| trmanco | had about 1 month of uptime | May 17 14:03 |
| trmanco | ... | May 17 14:03 |
| trmanco | stupid os | May 17 14:03 |
| tacone | that's the windows xp on asus eeepc campaign | May 17 14:03 |
| zer0c00l | yaaa | May 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Patents Roundup: Microsoft, Patent Ambush, Moral Issues, and Europe’s Back Door < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/patents-roundup-microsoft-and-ambush/ > | May 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: please elaborate | May 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Also, if you know anything about the DDOS, please be kind and tell us about it | May 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | We at BN never vandalised anything | May 17 14:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: my Palm has uptime of many months | May 17 14:09 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: Can't get my daily dose of hilarity | May 17 14:10 |
| trmanco | that's great | May 17 14:12 |
| trmanco | I better get a GNU/Linux based phone soon | May 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: if you hear something, please share. | May 17 14:14 |
| benJIman | About what? | May 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | If the intent was to sabotage, it worked. But it won't work well for Novell/Microsoft/whoever | May 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it's a random attack on us | May 17 14:15 |
| benJIman | It's probably just too popular. | May 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... to Tor users with bad headers | May 17 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | 11 hours till I get all the files on the new server | May 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | 12 hrs lapsed | May 17 14:16 |
| benJIman | Should have hosted it on openSUSE. | May 17 14:16 |
| oiaohm_ | What is the load like now schestowitz | May 17 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: centos/red hat | May 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: about 20 | May 17 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Best way to fight until tessier rearms is to just post | May 17 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'm posting loads of links now | May 17 14:18 |
| schestowitz | You'll enjoy these | May 17 14:18 |
| oiaohm_ | It is a lot of effort to go to. | May 17 14:20 |
| *schestowitz watches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M8_xuBGaFE | May 17 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: host still looking into it | May 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | We now have 2 swappable acconnts | May 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Personally I would speek to you past host and ask if you could write it up as a dispute over payment for excessive demard from people interested in the boycottnovell content. | May 17 14:22 |
| oiaohm_ | It is not exactly a lie. | May 17 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Nope | May 17 14:25 |
| schestowitz | It's DDOS | May 17 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I think they tried to fight back | May 17 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And didn't manage | May 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Difference here that way you and spin the ddos so they are making you look better not worse. | May 17 14:26 |
| oiaohm_ | So there attack is not effective. | May 17 14:26 |
| oiaohm_ | I know you hate spin but sometimes its the best weapon. | May 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember if they were not interested in the content of your site they would not be ddos attacking it. | May 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm_ | As I said its not exacty a lie. | May 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Good point, I guess | May 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | As I cautiously stated before, better DDOS than a bully on my doorstep | May 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm a big guy, but people have weapons | May 17 14:34 |
| *schestowitz smiles at load average: 12.91, 17.26, 19.13 | May 17 14:36 | |
| oiaohm_ | I did judo the verbial form as part of my training. Bullies can be metally destroyed once you know what they want and can work out how to make sure they don't get it. | May 17 14:36 |
| benJIman | Who do you think is attacking you? | May 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Don't know benJIman | May 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Don't reallly care at this point. | May 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: I don't know | May 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: quite likely someone who does not like the site | May 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: better to move servers than to move houses due to death threats (Groklaw) | May 17 14:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Or someone out for a sick pracitical joke. | May 17 14:38 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Slated is moving houses too | May 17 14:38 |
| schestowitz | That's why he ain't in IRC ATM | May 17 14:38 |
| oiaohm_ | What gets me is what is exactly that special about now. | May 17 14:39 |
| oiaohm_ | I see nothing in the news so far to explain needing boycottnovell out way. | May 17 14:39 |
| trmanco | I finally know why so many botnets | May 17 14:40 |
| trmanco | exist | May 17 14:40 |
| MinceR | perhaps m$ is getting desperate | May 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | the vista failure and the crisis is really hitting them hard. | May 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | that's probably why they buried asus in money, too. | May 17 14:43 |
| tacone | perhaps someone got a succeed or die mission from someone other | May 17 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Prelude to the depression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6PWeGOj6U0&NR=1 | May 17 14:48 |
| tacone | going offline | May 17 14:51 |
| tacone | bye | May 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | cya | May 17 14:53 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft is offereing a $250,000 bounty | May 17 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | for the people responsible for Conficker | May 17 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | That is a nothering bounty. | May 17 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | 5 to 6 million and you will get them. | May 17 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't they be patching the kinds of holes that let this happen? | May 17 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | rather than putting up a relatively small bounty? | May 17 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | You do know that MS put up the wrong instructions to slow Conficker down. | May 17 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | If you followed them you accelerated spreed. | May 17 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | The bounty is insanely small. You will burn up 1 to 2 million hunting them. | May 17 15:01 |
| MinceR | i think they should start playing fairly and allowing others to compete. | May 17 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Really if Linux gets it intergration issues sorted out it really will not matter what MS does. | May 17 15:02 |
| oiaohm_ | People need to take mind of MS and truly look at where in Linux need work. | May 17 15:03 |
| oiaohm_ | To be currect X11 desktop. | May 17 15:03 |
| oiaohm_ | The X11 desktop is mostly platform netural. | May 17 15:03 |
| MinceR | m$ will die anyway, but the longer it takes the more damage it will do in the process | May 17 15:03 |
| MinceR | desktop environments do need a fair amount of fixing though | May 17 15:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Most of Linux's slow progress is caused by not seeing the importances of items like the ADS and intergrations. | May 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | all this Windows 7 chatter isn't really helping Microsoft's stock | May 17 15:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Kernel side is mostly under control. | May 17 15:04 |
| MinceR | i thought vista7 was their last hope. | May 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I found a way to patch Windows Vista | May 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | to get it to load Windows 7's theme | May 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | including the "Superbar" | May 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 15:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: bountry is a joke | May 17 15:06 |
| schestowitz | More of a liability pass | May 17 15:06 |
| schestowitz | PR stunt | May 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, to make it look like they're outraged about it | May 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | in the meantime these people will never be caught | May 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | and we'll be onto the next big worm outbreak | May 17 15:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Ok what date did boycott novel stop. | May 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | Apple bought an Adword | May 17 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | when you google Conficker there's an ad that says "Macs don't get PC viruses" | May 17 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | Macs get Mac viruses | May 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | so I suppose technically they're right | May 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | see, you'll have to learn new malware because the old one doesn't work | May 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | macs fail at compatibility ;) | May 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's viruses for Mac | May 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | just not nearly as many | May 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | i know | May 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | the fanboys don't seem to realize this, though | May 17 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | well if there were no viruses for Mac there wouldn't be antivirus software for the Mac | May 17 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | Apple doesn't like to admit you need it though | May 17 15:09 |
| oiaohm_ | On adverage Mac is Like Linux. | May 17 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Exploit virus need to exist disappears. | May 17 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | well you know the damndest thing happened when Mac users doubled | May 17 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Mac malware doubled too | May 17 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Malware not virus or worm numbers. | May 17 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm fairly sure most of its perceived security is because nobody bothers to write viruses for it | May 17 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | there are several dozen notable viruses that crop up every year on the Mac | May 17 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | nobody pays them much attention though | May 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: Friday early... around midnight | May 17 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | I heard last year there were 40 Linux viruses | May 17 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | but I haven't been able to find a list of them | May 17 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/evilmalware.html | May 17 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | I liked that one | May 17 15:14 |
| MinceR | afaik osx is seriously lacking in security features | May 17 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-software/20090515/CL1750915052009-1.html Linking that to the recent health care problems would have been not wanted. | May 17 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I squeezed this one through: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/biosos-new-elive/ | May 17 15:16 |
| schestowitz | More news coming | May 17 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | By that time we will have to wait until monday. | May 17 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | To find out what. | May 17 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I figure that with OS X relatively unprotected, and Apple marketing making use of the fact that there aren't many Mac viruses (yet) | May 17 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | it sets the user up to get cocky | May 17 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | and run anything | May 17 15:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2007-052400-3656-99 | May 17 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Systems Affected: Windows 98, Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Linux, Windows 2000 | May 17 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 15:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're tearing them apart | May 17 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Hold on, I have great posts on security | May 17 15:29 |
| *DaemonFC is now known as BadBunny | May 17 15:29 | |
| *BadBunny is now known as DaemonFC | May 17 15:29 | |
| schestowitz | Oiaohm linked to "Ontario Systems Announces New Alliance With Microsoft" | May 17 15:30 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6psRf25p8&feature=channel_page | May 17 15:57 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: Ken says: "Thank you Roy. Yes, I spent some time googling this and found some of the nastiest things I could ever imagine being said. I am envious though. You have made the linuxliars website and I have not. I just have to work harder." | May 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | What does he mean by linuxliars. I guess exposing liars against Linux | May 17 15:59 |
| *schestowitz looks at YouTube URL | May 17 15:59 | |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | TheAmazingAtheist is good enteraintainement | May 17 16:00 |
| zer0c00l | liars may be fakers | May 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | I love watching his stuff | May 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know what he means now | May 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | There's an anti-Linux advocates site | May 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | So he means I made it INTO it | May 17 16:00 |
| zer0c00l | which site? | May 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | More links :-) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/glusterfs-20-out/ | May 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: slander site | May 17 16:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I ended up grabbing this shit off RapidShare | May 17 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | because the pain in the ass is worth it to avoid the censored Walmart version | May 17 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Track 11 is called "Fuck It" | May 17 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | the Walmart version lists it as "Xxxx Xx" | May 17 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't know the word "it" was not suitable for children | May 17 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | I just find it funny that a company that has no problem with child slave labor making the goods they sell and shoppers in there that have no problem buying those goods | May 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | that use of a four letter word is so bad | May 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | in the grand scheme of things | May 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately Walmart ran the real music store out of town so my only options are get it online or buy the censored bullshit at Walmart | May 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | or drive 100 miled to get the real CD | May 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | *miles | May 17 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They used to not even mark the CD | May 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | so you had no idea that they had censored it | May 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | til you got home | May 17 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | and opened it | May 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | making it illegal to return | May 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | between censored CDs and DRM viruses that give you the blue screen of death permanently, I don't think they need to be blaming customers for not wanting to buy their stuff | May 17 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you figure the artists even know how the label is going to mutilate and infect their work? | May 17 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | or that they even care? | May 17 16:17 |
| *schestowitz stalks load average: 14.86, 12.83, 14.97 | May 17 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think 'artists' have no choice | May 17 16:31 |
| schestowitz | They know what happens | May 17 16:31 |
| schestowitz | The s,mart ones do | May 17 16:31 |
| schestowitz | They would get shuned for spreading | May 17 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I put artists in scare quotes because real talent is exchange with 'soft-porn-'like pop | May 17 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *exchanged | May 17 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | The attacks drift away? | May 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | load average: 2.02, 5.03, 10.77 | May 17 16:36 |
| la | schestowitz, whew..glad I got virtualbox , before I wasted burning a CD to try out gnewsense..the pinnacle of OSS , itself uses mono..isn't that interesting :))) | May 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Hi, la | May 17 16:36 |
| la | LOL sorry | May 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | May 17 16:36 |
| la | its a emergency nick I was succinct in choosing , at the time. | May 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | la: do you like mono? | May 17 16:37 |
| la | its neighborlee | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 16:37 |
| la | sorry.. | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 16:37 |
| la | heh | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | I saw Comcast | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | We had some weird stuff going on with Comcast, potentially | May 17 16:37 |
| la | I installed virtualbox. and it zaped my internet connectiong briefly enough for it to change my nick | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Someone from Mass. | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | And we have been DDOSEd for 3 days | May 17 16:37 |
| la | weirddd | May 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Hence the downtime | May 17 16:37 |
| la | wow had no idea | May 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | I didn't publish this in the site | May 17 16:38 |
| la | yeah something nasty is up apparantly..google taking large hits too | May 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | It's being investigated | May 17 16:38 |
| la | kk | May 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Still...? | May 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Google? | May 17 16:38 |
| la | faik not still..wasn't sure if you knew is all | May 17 16:38 |
| la | I suspect you did | May 17 16:38 |
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| trmanco | if there was a way to mirror the site on different servers | May 17 16:43 |
| trmanco | that would be neat | May 17 16:43 |
| trmanco | a mini cloud like thing | May 17 16:43 |
| la | LOL I just got kicked from #gnewsense | May 17 16:44 |
| la | I feel honor in such achievement :)) | May 17 16:44 |
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| la | I need to make a plaque and put on wall.. | May 17 16:45 |
| la | I asked one simple question,,and was met with fierce harsh words..:) | May 17 16:46 |
| la | how exactly can you say you only allow free software, when you ship mono out of the box, I find that amazingly confusing < question | May 17 16:47 |
| la | <ompaul>la, game over - your question is answered, mono is free software, it works to make .net which is a free protocol in the first version < answer ;) | May 17 16:47 |
| la | of course..he?she? is one of the coauthors of gnewsense... | May 17 16:48 |
| trmanco | .net protocol? | May 17 16:48 |
| la | The other one kinda looks like RS | May 17 16:48 |
| la | LOL | May 17 16:48 |
| trmanco | it's based on ubuntu | May 17 16:48 |
| la | exactly | May 17 16:48 |
| trmanco | if ubuntu gets rid of it, they get rid of it | May 17 16:49 |
| trmanco | if it doesn't, I'm sure they have a mailing list where you can propose such thing | May 17 16:49 |
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| la | They claim to get rid of non free software, yet there mono is..now we know they are no better than ubuntu | May 17 16:50 |
| trmanco | but why all the fuss, if you can remove it easily | May 17 16:50 |
| schestowitz | load average: 6.07, 11.90, 12.38 | May 17 16:50 |
| la | and the proof is right there...simple question, met with harsh words | May 17 16:50 |
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| la | trmanco, Illl tell you why all the fuss | May 17 16:50 |
| schestowitz | The attackers may be dwindling. I hope. | May 17 16:50 |
| trmanco | mono is open source software | May 17 16:50 |
| la | trmanco, I dont like being forced to install non free software, that is why | May 17 16:50 |
| trmanco | for now | May 17 16:50 |
| la | it is not | May 17 16:50 |
| tacone | gpl2 | May 17 16:51 |
| la | palease | May 17 16:51 |
| trmanco | the problem of mono is C# | May 17 16:51 |
| la | paaaaaaaleaes | May 17 16:51 |
| schestowitz | la: BLAG rejects Mono | May 17 16:51 |
| la | blag ? | May 17 16:51 |
| schestowitz | For grounds of patents and MS | May 17 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Fedora-based | May 17 16:51 |
| schestowitz | FSF blessed | May 17 16:51 |
| trmanco | anyone can create gnewsense reloaded | May 17 16:51 |
| tacone | but you can't make any derivative work of mono, not in the us, at least | May 17 16:51 |
| trmanco | :-P | May 17 16:51 |
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| la | schestowitz, wow | May 17 16:52 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | May 17 16:52 |
| trmanco | create a new distro based on gnewsense but with the mononono package installed | May 17 16:52 |
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| la | schestowitz, you mean someone in the linux world..finally gets that mono is a patent minefield ..innnnnnnnteresting..I wonder if fedora isn't far behind since they already block moonlight | May 17 16:53 |
| trmanco | even better is to use gentoo | May 17 16:53 |
| la | never | May 17 16:53 |
| la | dont have time.. | May 17 16:53 |
| trmanco | :-P | May 17 16:53 |
| la | though I overall respect and admire its goals | May 17 16:53 |
| trmanco | gnote will be replacing tomboy on fedora I think | May 17 16:53 |
| tacone | do mononono.deb exists ? | May 17 16:53 |
| la | IF there were binaries of most things I needed to use..then 'maybe' I would consider it | May 17 16:54 |
| trmanco | tacone, yeah | May 17 16:54 |
| la | trmanco, nice | May 17 16:54 |
| tacone | lol, where do download it ? | May 17 16:54 |
| trmanco | http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/mononono_1.0_all.deb | May 17 16:54 |
| la | I wonder if ubuntu will ever concede they were wrong | May 17 16:54 |
| trmanco | hope is lost for ubuntu | May 17 16:54 |
| la | trmanco, I thought about it.. | May 17 16:54 |
| tacone | thz | May 17 16:54 |
| la | trmanco, but if blog is already there I might not need to..plus I hate idea of muddying the waters with YALD | May 17 16:55 |
| la | yet another linux distro < as if we dont have enough ;)) | May 17 16:55 |
| BN is back, very cool. | May 17 16:55 | |
| la | :) | May 17 16:55 |
| trmanco | if you want a good cummunity suported distro but just don't like mono in it, its easy to purge mono | May 17 16:55 |
| la | IM very aware of that, but thanks just the same.. | May 17 16:55 |
| I hate to agree with Mr Ohm, but local copy backed up to server is not a bad idea at least for small sites. | May 17 16:56 | |
| la | I should not have to purge anything, that should not be their in the first place..:)) | May 17 16:56 |
| Make sure everything works and rsync. | May 17 16:56 | |
| *DaemonFC replaces all videos on BN with WMVHD | May 17 16:56 | |
| trmanco | yeah | May 17 16:56 |
| that way, the data is all yours | May 17 16:56 | |
| *DaemonFC licenses the patent to schestowitz :P | May 17 16:56 | |
| FC you are sick. | May 17 16:56 | |
| trmanco | la, but you are also free to do what you want with your software | May 17 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 16:56 |
| why play with that nasty wmv when theora is so much nicer? | May 17 16:57 | |
| la | linux is about open source software..free to change make better and give back..mono represents everything that is the reverse of that ideology, and for any disro to INCLUDE it, is being a major hypocrit | May 17 16:57 |
| la | twitter, agreed 100% | May 17 16:57 |
| *DaemonFC rewrites Linux in .Net 3.5 SP1 | May 17 16:57 | |
| la you seem to be forgetting the experience of non free unix | May 17 16:57 | |
| trmanco | la, true | May 17 16:57 |
| *DaemonFC hands the result to twitter | May 17 16:57 | |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, good luck with that | May 17 16:57 |
| *trmanco tries it out | May 17 16:58 | |
| they were "free" to add all sorts of crap they did not want to share. It killed them all. | May 17 16:58 | |
| *la goes to verify blag | May 17 16:58 | |
| *la is now known as neighborlee | May 17 16:58 | |
| DaemonFC | blag....ugggh | May 17 16:58 |
| *trmanco fried his computer | May 17 16:58 | |
| trmanco | neighborlee, o, its you | May 17 16:58 |
| neighborlee | LOL | May 17 16:58 |
| neighborlee | sorry | May 17 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | we work to overthrow all corporate control of information, by basing our distro on a distro sponsored by Red Hat | May 17 16:59 |
| neighborlee | installed virtualbox and it zapped net connection is all | May 17 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 16:59 |
| how did virtual box kill your network? | May 17 16:59 | |
| neighborlee | dont ask me it just does it | May 17 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | We act like three year olds and ensure that nobody will ever take us seriously by demonstrating that we can't even call Windows "Windows" | May 17 17:00 |
| did you install it on Vista or something? | May 17 17:00 | |
| neighborlee | right near end of install, it kills net connection | May 17 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | Virtual Box works fine on Vista | May 17 17:00 |
| neighborlee | twitter, no, XP | May 17 17:00 |
| ah | May 17 17:00 | |
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| neighborlee | I wont go anywhere near vista.its crappoila | May 17 17:00 |
| now that makes sense | May 17 17:00 | |
| DaemonFC | actually Virtual Box works better on Vista than XP | May 17 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough | May 17 17:00 |
| neighborlee | im selling my copy..anyone want it ? ;)) | May 17 17:00 |
| trmanco | neighborlee, get a refund | May 17 17:00 |
| you are odd FC, no doubt | May 17 17:00 | |
| neighborlee | trmanco, I WISH | May 17 17:01 |
| Omar87 | http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46168/ballmer.jpg =========> Steve Ballmer, what a Mongolian diluted jackass..! =_= | May 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | installing the VB network adapter will disrupt your network connection on XP monemtarily | May 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't do that on Vista | May 17 17:01 |
| trmanco | wow | May 17 17:01 |
| the things you know ... | May 17 17:01 | |
| DaemonFC | *momentarily | May 17 17:01 |
| trmanco | an improvement | May 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | meh | May 17 17:01 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, one tiny bright shinning moment for vista..when everywhere else is in the crapper :)) | May 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't go that far | May 17 17:02 |
| the problem is getting there | May 17 17:02 | |
| neighborlee | I would.. | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | I've lived it .. | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | literally | May 17 17:02 |
| past broken drivers and kill switches | May 17 17:02 | |
| neighborlee | :) | May 17 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a huge fan of Vista but it does work better than XP | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | BS | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | total BS | May 17 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | unless your system is ancient, then yeah | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | and mine is not .. | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | so your point remains moot ;) | May 17 17:02 |
| that's not what I've read FC | May 17 17:02 | |
| trmanco | what do you mean by ancient? | May 17 17:02 |
| neighborlee | twitter, ? | May 17 17:03 |
| but the point is mute when you can just get GNU/Linux | May 17 17:03 | |
| DaemonFC | less than 1 gig of RAM, less than 150 gig hard disk, etc | May 17 17:03 |
| neighborlee | twitter, well easier said, than DONE | May 17 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, without the preload daemon, Linux will happily waste all your RAM | May 17 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to set that up yourself | May 17 17:03 |
| by all accounts but FC, Vista is slower and buggier than XP, which is really an accomplishment | May 17 17:03 | |
| neighborlee | twitter, but im working on it..atm im stuck using msaccesss for my invoicing..IM rectiifying that real quick though | May 17 17:03 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5S0KDCipm0 | May 17 17:03 |
| trmanco | heh | May 17 17:03 |
| neighborlee | twitter, its ALOT slower and buggier than XP | May 17 17:04 |
| I think OO now has something that will get your access stuff working | May 17 17:04 | |
| neighborlee | trust me on the fine print | May 17 17:04 |
| neighborlee | I lived it ..I should know. | May 17 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | gaming, I see about the same benchmarks | May 17 17:04 |
| the slower and buggier Vista is than XP the bigger the accomplishment. Intel is so proud of Bill. | May 17 17:04 | |
| DaemonFC | most synthetics show a 1-3% difference | May 17 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | usually | May 17 17:04 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, ok, my system isn't ancient, but vista runs like crap here | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | twitter, indeed | May 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | you have to be using a really underpowered system for XP to work better | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | BS | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | dual core, 3 gigs of ram , with 8800GTX | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | tell me im ancient | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | meh | May 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | also depends on the version | May 17 17:05 |
| neighborlee | home premium | May 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | x64 runs 32-bit software faster | May 17 17:05 |
| trmanco | my cousin has it installed on a similar hardware set and has it installed on a powerful laptop and it also runs like crap | May 17 17:06 |
| I've collected a lot of user, media and industrial testimonials for Vista http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 | May 17 17:06 | |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough I noticed a significant performance boost going from 32-bit Vista to 64-bit | May 17 17:06 |
| neighborlee | trmanco, exactly | May 17 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've played with both | May 17 17:06 |
| trmanco | neighborlee, wow, nice hardware | May 17 17:06 |
| nothing is more fun than user reactions http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215115 | May 17 17:06 | |
| neighborlee | trmanco,.could be worse..admittedly could be a bit 'better' | May 17 17:06 |
| neighborlee | I freely admit ,I do not have a 'powrehouse' | May 17 17:06 |
| neighborlee | power | May 17 17:06 |
| neighborlee | but its hardly a wimp either ;))) | May 17 17:07 |
| Your experience, FC is atypical. | May 17 17:07 | |
| trmanco | my cousins laptop is an asus g1 | May 17 17:07 |
| neighborlee | are you crapping with me about wmv and FC ? | May 17 17:07 |
| *neighborlee finds it hard to believe | May 17 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | the biggest thing on my Vista bitch list has been there since Windows 98 | May 17 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | so oh well | May 17 17:07 |
| neighborlee | I dont deny that vista is 'prettty'., ,and maybe safer than XP | May 17 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | (Internet Explorer) | May 17 17:08 |
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| neighborlee | BUT..when it wont run on decent hardware..its a bit 'moo't isn't it ? | May 17 17:08 |
| it is not safer than XP. | May 17 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | it has quite a few things XP doesn't | May 17 17:08 |
| neighborlee | well..In my twisted mind.I felt it might be,,thus I 'bit' and bought a used copy of it | May 17 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | ASLR for one | May 17 17:08 |
| Vista is Windows, which will never be secure | May 17 17:08 | |
| trmanco | http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=N9o6XeMycCwFIkOl -> is it enough to run vista? | May 17 17:08 |
| neighborlee | twitter, touche :)) | May 17 17:08 |
| neighborlee | twitter, I certainly cant deny that one ;))) | May 17 17:09 |
| Roy has cataloged a lot of p0wnage already | May 17 17:09 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization | May 17 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | Vista has that | May 17 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | XP doesn't | May 17 17:09 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 17 17:09 |
| trmanco | an improvement | May 17 17:09 |
| about time, and that might help but it won't protect users from M$ | May 17 17:09 | |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, to be fair so you u ndestand..running vista was almost CONSTANTLY accessing my harddrive..drove me nuts..I said never again.. | May 17 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's search indexing | May 17 17:10 |
| neighborlee | yes I know | May 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | which was likely doing it | May 17 17:10 |
| and it's M$, they probably screwed up the randomization | May 17 17:10 | |
| neighborlee | no excuse though | May 17 17:10 |
| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, ASLR has been easily circumvented | May 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | if you want slow search you can turn that off | May 17 17:10 |
| schestowitz | load average: 16.29, 14.60, 11.98 | May 17 17:10 |
| randomizing only user data, for example. | May 17 17:10 | |
| DaemonFC | you get XP and Linux grind the hard disk search | May 17 17:10 |
| hi Roy. | May 17 17:10 | |
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| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, its not real randomization | May 17 17:10 |
| I had an idea for BN | May 17 17:10 | |
| MinceR | xp search indexing is so great | May 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's indexers for XP and Linux | May 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | but they..... | May 17 17:11 |
| MinceR | it spins the hdd a lot | May 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | anyone? | May 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | CHURN the hard disk! | May 17 17:11 |
| neighborlee | now..windows 7 was aLOT better..but its in RC stage atm and I was unable to run certain things I needed, so I said forget it..plus I would have to BUY it after 2010 and I didin't feel I should have to just to run something NOT vistas.. | May 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | May 17 17:11 |
| MinceR | yet when i do search, it doesn't use the index | May 17 17:11 |
| it would be nice to split the content, your stories as Boycott Novell and your links as Free Software Times. | May 17 17:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Vista only indexes your home folder | May 17 17:11 |
| a sister site | May 17 17:11 | |
| DaemonFC | unless you tell it to index something else | May 17 17:11 |
| neighborlee | so yes..you can keep your indexing software..dont want OR need it that badly | May 17 17:11 |
| that way people could get your stuff without having to scroll through links, and vice versa | May 17 17:11 | |
| DaemonFC | after you've used Vista a few days, the index is built and it has an idea of what to load for Superfetch | May 17 17:12 |
| schestowitz | hi, mib_ci91si | May 17 17:12 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | May 17 17:12 |
| The links, of course, could also point back to BN and BN can have the links headlines | May 17 17:12 | |
| DaemonFC | so the hard disk activity goes back down | May 17 17:12 |
| neighborlee | not enough | May 17 17:12 |
| That way, people can have both sites but get what they want with less effort. | May 17 17:12 | |
| neighborlee | trust me I lived through all of it..never again < | May 17 17:12 |
| trmanco | MinceR, lol | May 17 17:12 |
| trmanco | have you tried the crappy version 4 of the search indexer? | May 17 17:13 |
| The links and your stories often overlap but the links are much broader, more about free software in general and cool new stuff | May 17 17:13 | |
| trmanco | it's worse then it older brothers | May 17 17:13 |
| trmanco | its | May 17 17:13 |
| you stories are all about anti-competitive practices. | May 17 17:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | Windows Search 4? | May 17 17:14 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, my shitty, old, low end laptop handles it fine | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | with 1 gig of RAM | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | and a 1.8 Ghz Sempron | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 17:14 |
| trmanco | fine? | May 17 17:14 |
| So, what do you think Roy? Or can you read any of this through the Windows shit? | May 17 17:14 | |
| trmanco | by fine you mean that it thrashes the hell your of you hdd | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it only indexes your user folder | May 17 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | that doesn't really take a lot of resources | May 17 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | it isn't crawling the entire volume | May 17 17:15 |
| neighborlee | you know this was interesting for a while..but its not fair to BS people like this. | May 17 17:15 |
| neighborlee | we all know vista is pure garbage..no one is using it, that has a choice.. | May 17 17:15 |
| neighborlee | even windows 7 is FAR better | May 17 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | if you set it to index the entire C:\ drive you're probably making a mistake | May 17 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 17:16 |
| neighborlee | so lets play this straight up | May 17 17:16 |
| From what I've read, Vista 7 is not better than Vista | May 17 17:16 | |
| neighborlee | ive tried it | May 17 17:16 |
| neighborlee | its better | May 17 17:16 |
| Windows is a dead end | May 17 17:16 | |
| neighborlee | however having said that | May 17 17:16 |
| neighborlee | its NOT my choice of operating systems..linux is. | May 17 17:16 |
| neighborlee | because oss rocks. | May 17 17:17 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 17 17:17 |
| trmanco | that really depends on what you have in you user folder | May 17 17:17 |
| I have to agree with the GNU/Linux choice. | May 17 17:17 | |
| It's nice to have freedom, performance and features. | May 17 17:17 | |
| DaemonFC | meh, if you use Linux with Tracker (Ubuntu) or Beagle (OpenSuse, Mandriva, etc) you get the same effect as Windows Search Indexing | May 17 17:18 |
| I've started a little Windows 7 log too http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | May 17 17:18 | |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, thats why I don't use it | May 17 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's a tradeoff of some otherwise idle disk time | May 17 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | OR a painfully slow search | May 17 17:18 |
| neighborlee | twitter, it sure is. | May 17 17:18 |
| yeah, but only free software gives you the choice | May 17 17:18 | |
| DaemonFC | any modern OS does it by default | May 17 17:18 |
| no, free software lets you chose what you do | May 17 17:19 | |
| DaemonFC | well, you can turn it off in Vista, or Ubuntu, but I don't know why you would | May 17 17:19 |
| that way free software works they way you want it to work | May 17 17:19 | |
| DaemonFC | it would just slow you down | May 17 17:19 |
| Omar87 | Guys, does anyone know how I can add an image to Wikipedia page? | May 17 17:19 |
| so you can use embedded devices, for example | May 17 17:19 | |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 17 17:19 |
| *DaemonFC has a copy of XP Embedded actually | May 17 17:20 | |
| neighborlee | it should just me a markup thing..<img></img> blah..never done it though but it should show you in a example wikipedia page or docs.... | May 17 17:20 |
| I think you have to add the image first, then link the image to the page Omar. Good luck | May 17 17:20 | |
| neighborlee | me/you | May 17 17:20 |
| DeamonFC, I'm happy Windows works for you but almost no one else here uses it or has any interest. | May 17 17:21 | |
| neighborlee | I just know running linux , causes no such HD chatter...there are other things about linux I may not like, but that HD thing is not one of them.. | May 17 17:21 |
| Omar87 | twitter: Nice one! ;-) | May 17 17:21 |
| neighborlee | if you like windows vista so much you are free to buy mine..$55 and its yours. | May 17 17:22 |
| Basically, were here because the owners of Windows won't leave the free software and hardware makers alone. | May 17 17:22 | |
| neighborlee | resistance is not futile :))heh | May 17 17:22 |
| neighborlee | do you hear that ubuntu!! | May 17 17:23 |
| neighborlee | AND FEDORA ... | May 17 17:23 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 17 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu just goes with the flow too much | May 17 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean it's a bad distribution, they just always trail most of the other ones | May 17 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | while Fedora was working the kinds out of the sound stack (something real people care about), Shuttleworth went and made the notifications pretty | May 17 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | yay | May 17 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | *kinks | May 17 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | water finds it's own level I suppose | May 17 17:28 |
| anyone know anything about distributed storage? | May 17 17:28 | |
| I see gluster in the links today | May 17 17:28 | |
| I know that Red Hat had something for offices | May 17 17:28 | |
| I was wondering what else is out there, besides external drives | May 17 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu Jaunty is unusable | May 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | on this system anyway | May 17 17:29 |
| sorry to hear that FC | May 17 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | they managed to fuck over their sound driver and pulseaudio so badly | May 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | that I'd have to build a new kernel AND use a newer Pulseaudio | May 17 17:29 |
| someone with your tallent and time should be able to fix it for them | May 17 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | and build wine for myself | May 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | cause their maintainer is a dingbat | May 17 17:30 |
| why don't you offer the dingbat your help? | May 17 17:30 | |
| I'm sure the more the merrier | May 17 17:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I did | May 17 17:30 |
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| DaemonFC | someone doesn't monitor their email | May 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 17:30 |
| trmanco | great | May 17 17:30 |
| trmanco | what is wrong with wine's ubuntu package | May 17 17:31 |
| I'm sure the poor dude is spammed all day with people calling him dingbat | May 17 17:31 | |
| DaemonFC | they build it to DEPEND on the version of alsalib included with Ubuntu | May 17 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | when that's a compile time option | May 17 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | and someone is deliberately enabling it | May 17 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | for no damned reason | May 17 17:31 |
| bbl | May 17 17:32 | |
| trmanco | hmm | May 17 17:32 |
| trmanco | thats why the package is for *ubuntu* | May 17 17:32 |
| neighborlee | I 've found pulse overall to be a real pita | May 17 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I chalk it up to a mixture of incompetence and they must not be having the issue so they don't give a shit | May 17 17:32 |
| neighborlee | maybe now its alot better..but before it was released IMHO way too soon..when it was not ahem..stable.. | May 17 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Money Matters for Gates, Ballmer and Allen Families < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/gates-dad-ballmer-bank-allen-charter/ > | May 17 17:33 |
| neighborlee | imagine hat | May 17 17:33 |
| neighborlee | that | May 17 17:33 |
| schestowitz | The DDOS attacks on BoycottNovell seem to be abating a little after 3 rough days. | May 17 17:33 |
| neighborlee | you and google o_) | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But wait | May 17 17:34 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I missed your answe, I think | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Is Google STILL affected? | May 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | trmanco: i haven't tried windows search 4, i've given up on that indexer | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I know abour 3 days (or thereabout) ago | May 17 17:34 |
| neighborlee | dunno.. | May 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I also mailed Google | May 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's much better than the one that came with XP | May 17 17:34 |
| neighborlee | I think its fine | May 17 17:34 |
| neighborlee | gmail works fine here | May 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | that one was pretty bad | May 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | some of the stuff that comes out of Microsoft is pretty good, some of it is horrible | May 17 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | they're a pretty bloated and fragmented company | May 17 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | and obviously some parts do better work than others | May 17 17:35 |
| neighborlee | only thing really better I feel about vista was that drivers worked out of box better..I did nt have to rely necessarily on installing huge drivers for my HP printer..but ..that one good thing never outweighed the nasty stuff im afraid. | May 17 17:36 |
| trmanco | the thing is, they haven't really done anything from scratch | May 17 17:36 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, well yes..we cant forget that their very own PR person warned M$ about releasing vista in its current state..of course they didn't listen to her.. | May 17 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | let me guess | May 17 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | she got canned | May 17 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | and they released it anyway | May 17 17:37 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, you also gotta remember, a few engineers of theirs bought laptops, which ran vista ( marked vista capable) so bad, even they were upset about it..such stories are rinse and repeat | May 17 17:37 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, no idea if she got canned..but yes you got it LOLO | May 17 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're money grubbers, if they had waited another 8-12 months and tied up the loose ends | May 17 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | it would not have been a total disaster | May 17 17:38 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 17 17:38 |
| neighborlee | most likely so | May 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | instead they froze the thing and created a buggy monster they HAVE to support like that | May 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | or else everyones shit breaks | May 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | yay | May 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | which limits the bugs they can fix | May 17 17:39 |
| neighborlee | but to be fair I will say this.sometimes I WISH linux wouild adlopt that strategy too, and NOT take linus's wish and NOT release so darn often ;) | May 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, he has the say when they release | May 17 17:39 |
| neighborlee | im Nothing if not fair,,even if its my own backyard .. | May 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, you shoudln't really upgrade the kernel til it's at like .2 past release | May 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | they had file system problems with 2.6.29 | May 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | and sound problems | May 17 17:40 |
| neighborlee | dunno about that I dont follow kernel enough really | May 17 17:40 |
| neighborlee | but yeah | May 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | and network problems | May 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | the probalem with Linux is that they're religious about NEVER freezing an API or ABI | May 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | so 3rd party hardware and software makers say fuck it | May 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | and go deal with Windows and the Mac | May 17 17:41 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 17 17:41 |
| neighborlee | well | May 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | if you never have any guarantee that something you depend on will even be there in 3 months | May 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | why even start out? | May 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 17:41 |
| neighborlee | linux is a bit fragmented..too many distros, and they dont always 'talk' to each other | May 17 17:42 |
| neighborlee | therefore you have 1000 people testing their hardware in ubuntu,another 2000 or so in opensuse and another 500 using blah adinfinitum..you get the idea | May 17 17:42 |
| neighborlee | so..the available hardware , for QA isn't high enough, and imho that marrs a otherwise great release with subpar QA issues | May 17 17:42 |
| neighborlee | its not rocket science. | May 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, there was a guy I was talking to that used to work at AverMedia | May 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | he was going to make a Linux driver for my TV card | May 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | but he got laid off first | May 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 17:44 |
| neighborlee | however that does not mean I dont adore..use and sugggest linux, trust me I do | May 17 17:44 |
| neighborlee | I just call it as I see it | May 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | the way these Chinese companies that make this hardware operate is scary | May 17 17:45 |
| neighborlee | I mean I use and realize FOSS is our future.if we care about the future that is ;)) | May 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | O' Crap. | May 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | load average: 106.73, 65.68, 35.33 | May 17 17:45 |
| neighborlee | hmm | May 17 17:45 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, hmmm ;)) | May 17 17:46 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, ouch..sorry to hear about that | May 17 17:46 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, BAH , blag has no 64bit iso .... | May 17 17:46 |
| schestowitz | use 32 | May 17 17:46 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, but yes ..at least no mono.. | May 17 17:46 |
| neighborlee | bah | May 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Foxconn, who makes about 60% or more of the motherboards for PCs | May 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | their BIOS is shitty | May 17 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | and broken | May 17 17:47 |
| neighborlee | I really need 64 bit for blender, for rendering as its almost twice as fast..and I willl be doing TONS of rendering | May 17 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | and revisioned like 12 times before it actually works right | May 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn has like 1 million employees | May 17 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 17:47 |
| neighborlee | they do ..have a 64 netinstaller though..Ill look into that | May 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | To put that in perspective, they are 12 times bigger than MSFT | May 17 17:47 |
| neighborlee | hmm link toasted..not my day maybe ? ;)..Ill ask on forums or IRC | May 17 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I actually got them to fix some Linux bugs with my BIOS :P | May 17 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I could tell by talking to them that they were not familiar with anything but Windows | May 17 17:48 |
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| tessier | They switched from HEAD to GET. No problem... | May 17 17:51 |
| tessier | The site is still up though. Nice | May 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9590_22-197085.html | May 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft: Vista feature designed to 'annoy users' | May 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | load average: 10.37, 32.97, 35.18 | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | The DDOS comes at bursts | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who was that chap who nailed them for BIOS? | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | In Ubuntu Forums | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Was that you? | May 17 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | that was me | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Haha! | May 17 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | So you reallt wrote to the FTC? | May 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Why anonymous? | May 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | ? | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | They sent out their woman damage controller | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Miss Love | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | May 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | It means there is a fiasco | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Like babies getting poisoned | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | meh, they fixed it in the end | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Or Vidta being drek | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | and said it would not happen again | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | good enough for me | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well doen, hat's off | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they looked up my phone number | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | and called me at 1 AM | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | from China | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Let me find out coverage | May 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/25/foxconn-bios-acpi/ | May 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Oddly enough it works better on Vista too | May 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was having to correct for it | May 17 17:57 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, weirrrrrd about annoying users..never really bothered me,,I just felt if this makes windows MORE secue..so be it I will put up with it. | May 17 17:57 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, shrug | May 17 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | I hate UAC | May 17 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I've been tempted to switch it off | May 17 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | but then I'd get no warnings if something did try to sneak in and elevate itself | May 17 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has enough security problems without switching off the few defenses it does have | May 17 18:01 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, exactly | May 17 18:01 |
| neighborlee | its just worth dealing with it | May 17 18:01 |
| neighborlee | another thing about vista that reallllllllly bugged me..was how it messsed with opengl apps | May 17 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I also set it to use mandatory DEP | May 17 18:02 |
| neighborlee | blender3d would NOT run in fullscreen without nasty slowdown | May 17 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | and just whitelist the applications that it crashes :P | May 17 18:02 |
| neighborlee | windows 7 maybe it fixes that dunno I could not use it as it would not run msaccess at all..so it was a 'NO GO" | May 17 18:02 |
| neighborlee | ic lol | May 17 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | try VistaGlazz | May 17 18:02 |
| neighborlee | wth | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 18:03 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't work with Vista SP2 yet | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.codegazer.com/vistaglazz/ | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | patches your theme files so you can use themes MS has not signed | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | even clones of the Windows 7 GUI | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few really good ones at DeviantArt | May 17 18:04 |
| neighborlee | VistaGlazz ensures transparency, even when your windows are maximized. < are you saying this fixes the performance drop when maximizing windows ??? | May 17 18:05 |
| neighborlee | its a really horrible performance drop too btw. | May 17 18:05 |
| neighborlee | the only app really affected for me was blender3d | May 17 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | it patches the titlebars so they stay transparent | May 17 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | like Windows 7 does | May 17 18:06 |
| neighborlee | well im not that worried about aesethics..I needed to fix the peformance drop maximizing blender caused | May 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | MS won't let you use unsigned themes | May 17 18:07 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | but if you patch the theming engine you can | May 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | jsut like XP :P | May 17 18:07 |
| neighborlee | as I say its the performacne drop thats the issue ;( | May 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why it would do that | May 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | what video drivers | May 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | and what version? | May 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia 185 came out a few days ago | May 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | massive performance boost in Vista | May 17 18:08 |
| neighborlee | it did it on all nvidia binaries for my card | May 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was noticing 10%~ imrpovement | May 17 18:08 |
| neighborlee | a year ago,,and recently with windows 7 | May 17 18:08 |
| neighborlee | for some reason.blender and aero dont mix too dain well... | May 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | you'd probably want Vista SP2 and latest video drivers | May 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 18:09 |
| neighborlee | when did sp2 come out | May 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not out | May 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | but I have it | May 17 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 18:09 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I also got an integrated ISO | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | from Technet | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 18:10 |
| neighborlee | wth is a integrated iso | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | released on Friday on Technet | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Vista and SP2 are integrated on the setup DVD | May 17 18:10 |
| neighborlee | ahhhh | May 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | there is no separete installer | May 17 18:10 |
| neighborlee | your saying there are fixes in sp2 for slowdown of maximizing | May 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I do also have the standalone installer | May 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | saying there could be | May 17 18:11 |
| neighborlee | ic | May 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'd start there and with latest video drivers | May 17 18:11 |
| neighborlee | if I upgrade to try it and it doesn't go well, I will come find you. | May 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 gets higher 3dmark score | May 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd assume it did something | May 17 18:12 |
| neighborlee | ROFL ,,jk of course..makes for good comedy though :)) | May 17 18:12 |
| neighborlee | OHHHH | May 17 18:13 |
| neighborlee | btw | May 17 18:13 |
| neighborlee | oh yes I remember now.. | May 17 18:13 |
| neighborlee | the reason I went to windows 7 in the first place.. | May 17 18:13 |
| neighborlee | vista has really gone south on me | May 17 18:13 |
| neighborlee | I applied update..and all hell broke LOOSE on my system..it woudl n ot boot into desktop anymore..and I find im NOT the only one..several friends had similar or exact same issues | May 17 18:14 |
| neighborlee | so I gave up..although..M$ was supposed to send me a new instal disk with SP1 on it so I didnt not ruin my ..system which HAD sp1 on it | May 17 18:14 |
| neighborlee | AND | May 17 18:14 |
| neighborlee | as a result, I could not install the new 'udpate' that fixed issues with n ot being 'able' to install new udates | May 17 18:15 |
| neighborlee | updates | May 17 18:15 |
| neighborlee | so you see..M$ was reeeeeeeally messing with me. | May 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I like the integrates ISO better than the installer | May 17 18:15 |
| neighborlee | :)) | May 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | much cleaner | May 17 18:15 |
| neighborlee | well yes sure.. | May 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | *integrated | May 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's a program called compcln.exe that comes with SP2 | May 17 18:15 |
| neighborlee | if only I can gotten the installer in time....its prob. at my PO box as I type this ..<eek> | May 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | so you can clean up the backed up SP1 files | May 17 18:16 |
| neighborlee | though as I say, im still a linux dude..I just prefer OSS to non OSS..but yeah sometimes windows stuff is necesary..necessary evil ..of sorts... | May 17 18:16 |
| neighborlee | :)no offense | May 17 18:16 |
| neighborlee | though..im still considering the virtual box thing.. | May 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | vssadmin Resize ShadowStorage /On=C: /For=C: /MaxSize=4GB | May 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | cure for the "Where the hell is my free space going???" problem | May 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | limits System Restore to 4 gigs | May 17 18:18 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 17 18:18 |
| neighborlee | system restore can be a real p-i-g | May 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm..... | May 17 18:18 |
| neighborlee | and a performacne drop ;( | May 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Server is down | May 17 18:18 |
| neighborlee | dain | May 17 18:18 |
| neighborlee | well peeps, looks like we're in for the long haul here ;0-- | May 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Server is down | May 17 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 17 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | that Panda Cloud Antivirus only works on 32-bit Windows | May 17 18:22 |
| neighborlee | lovely | May 17 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | I set UAC to require my password :P | May 17 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | UAC gives you a moment to say oh shit | May 17 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | and hit cancel :P | May 17 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | oh sweet | May 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Business can do a complete backup | May 17 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and make a bootable disc out of it | May 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | it doesn't always give you a moment | May 17 18:41 |
| MinceR | if the executable has a name from a certain set, it doesn't, for example | May 17 18:41 |
| MinceR | UAC is only security theater | May 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Server knocked over again by DDOS attacks against BoycottNovell. Pppfft. | May 17 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm | May 17 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't they have to be pretty organized? | May 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I guee. | May 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Guess | May 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Also, the rules for filtering get bypased | May 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://codingexperiments.com/why-is-it-special-and-seven-more-questions-the-non-technical-windows-user-has-about-linux/ "simply explain that people all around the world have come together to create a wonderful computing experience that can be legally downloaded for free; they’re giving it away." | May 17 18:55 |
| tessier | Server seems up to me... | May 17 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hey :-) | May 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, tessier | May 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | It was good to be online again. | May 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | The server went sort of down an hour ago | May 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | At times the load was around 2 | May 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | But mostly hovering around 10 | May 17 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | The old host replied | May 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They seem to realise what is happening, but maybe they redirected some complaint about DDOS. I don't know. They don't say much. | May 17 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: your friend -> My Vietnamese 8th Graders are new Linux users < http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2009/05/17/my-vietnamese-8th-graders-are-new-linux-users/ > | May 17 19:09 |
| tessier | Yep! | May 17 19:09 |
| tessier | Although they will drop it and never look back as soon as they leave his class. :( | May 17 19:10 |
| tessier | That's just how it is over there. Being different is discouraged. | May 17 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Heh. and Microsoft is 'normal'? | May 17 19:10 |
| schestowitz | tessier: BTW, I can't reach the site | May 17 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Am I firewalled out? | May 17 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: did you get my E-mail with a script? | May 17 19:29 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You may have gotten firewalled out. I'm still working on making that thing smarter. Yes, I got the email. It is similar to what I am already doing. | May 17 19:35 |
| tessier | Just need to tweak the values somewhat. | May 17 19:35 |
| tessier | What is your IP? | May 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Some IBM and RHT execs read BN and mailed me. | May 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks. | May 17 19:35 |
| tessier | What did they have to say? | May 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I hope I'm not being too much of a nuisance. | May 17 19:35 |
| tessier | Not at all. | May 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | If it's too much while the attacks persist (first time since 2006 for BN), then I can ask about ibiblio hosting. | May 17 19:36 |
| tessier | Not too much. We can handle it. | May 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I'm block on various 130.88 addresses | May 17 19:36 |
| tessier | ok | May 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I usually use some machines in tandem (CS department) | May 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: OSI blog just linked to us. Comes vs Microsoft | May 17 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They call for antitrust | May 17 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opensource.org/node/432 | May 17 19:37 |
| tessier | Ok, you should be unblocked now. I need to set up a whitelist... | May 17 19:39 |
| tessier | I'm glad Intel got fined. AMD needs the help. And we need BOTH of them for the competition. | May 17 19:39 |
| tessier | I wish software were as competitive. But hopefully the EU or DOJ or someone will get back around to looking at MS... | May 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I have an article about it coming | May 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Several in fact | May 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Intel sues the Zuck shills | May 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Sort of borrowing him from MS | May 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Why? Because Intel does what MS does | May 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | So MS knows it must fight the ruling | May 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Zuck=ACT, where C stands for competitive | May 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Talk about hysterical | May 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I have dirt on him | May 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Criminal past activities exposed by Larry Ellison's investigators | May 17 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | I think i might be blacklisted again. | May 17 19:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: my main PC is blocked from the server @ 130.88.190.131 | May 17 19:57 |
| _boo_ | http://gizmodo.com/5257670/danger-mouses-next-album-will-be-a-blank-cd+r | May 17 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 17 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Saw it | May 17 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Good news | May 17 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Posted in BN too | May 17 19:58 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: BN not working | May 17 20:19 |
| Balrog | (Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (localhost)) | May 17 20:19 |
| Balrog | that's the wiki site | May 17 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | May 17 20:20 |
| Balrog | the wordpress site is impossibly slow | May 17 20:20 |
| Balrog | what's going on? | May 17 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure. My IP is blacklisted :-) | May 17 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Still DDOSed | May 17 20:22 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: your site is being DDOSed? that's why it went down!?! | May 17 20:24 |
| tacone | yep | May 17 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Oh | May 17 20:24 |
| Balrog__ | hrm. I wonder who's responsible. | May 17 20:25 |
| schestowitz | You've not been following IRC then | May 17 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: say nothing though. Folks will call you "paranoid" :-) | May 17 20:25 |
| Balrog__ | I wasn't on IRC for a bit | May 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Only 3 Balrogs :-) | May 17 20:27 |
| Balrog__ | heh, one of them is my 'server' | May 17 20:28 |
| Balrog__ | the other is a dead connection | May 17 20:28 |
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| Balrog | now it's just Error establishing a database connection | May 17 20:51 |
| tacone | that's a normal error under load | May 17 20:51 |
| tacone | under heavy load. | May 17 20:51 |
| Balrog | tacone: it's also very slow | May 17 20:52 |
| Balrog | though http://boycottnovell.com/?stories works now | May 17 20:52 |
| tacone | works because it uses cache | May 17 20:52 |
| tacone | at the countrary of wikimedia software | May 17 20:52 |
| tacone | that's why the wiki is the problem | May 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I try to change and take it off Wiki | May 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | But I'm on the blacklist | May 17 20:55 |
| tacone | wikimedia apparently has a built in cache you can enable | May 17 20:55 |
| tacone | blacklist ? use a proxy | May 17 20:55 |
| tacone | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:File_cache | May 17 20:56 |
| tacone | it caches the whole html page. that's nice. | May 17 20:57 |
| tacone | it doesn't work for logged user, but i don't think the attacker will ever write the code to login in into it | May 17 20:58 |
| tacone | schestowitz: can't you use a proxy to workaround the blacklist ? | May 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Not outside my IP range | May 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier cleared me, but it's back on. | May 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are you there? | May 17 21:00 |
| tacone | tricky situation | May 17 21:00 |
| wtf? I come back to news of blacklists and DDoS. looking at rest of logs. | May 17 21:00 | |
| tacone | schestowitz: the gartner report news made to linuxtoday | May 17 21:02 |
| good for OSI and congratulations to you on the linking! | May 17 21:02 | |
| tacone | very nice. they link to a slashdot entry with a bunch of other interesting links. it wasn't wasted time | May 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I just got this: | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > I know nothing about Ibiblio. But I wonder if it would work short-term | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > to just set up a Blogger-hosted blog and redirect your RSS/Atom feeds to | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > that? That way, any DDOS attack would be against Google, who is more | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > likely to withstand the attack and/or investigate/prosecute the attackers. | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > In any case, Microsoft has stepped up their activities and attacks in | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > general in the past two weeks. The recent Intel fine from the EC has them | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > very nervous, as it should. | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > What were your most recent posts on? Anything that would be more | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | > threatening to Microsoft, or anyone else, than usual? | May 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes, many coming, but I can't post. Corruption too. | May 17 21:05 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: take the dos as a compliment for all the work | May 17 21:09 |
| tacone | lol | May 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | They try to wear us down | May 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you the perps who came to IRC | May 17 21:09 |
| tacone | i can't understand the last sentence | May 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | *you saw | May 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | If tessier you give a sample of IPs of Tor users... | May 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | The one he gave is in Germany | May 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | SUSE | May 17 21:11 |
| tacone | well not really | May 17 21:11 |
| tacone | as i said | May 17 21:11 |
| tacone | i'm from mibbit right now | May 17 21:11 |
| tacone | and i came here a few times with an iphone irc client | May 17 21:11 |
| DeamonFC, You don't need a "frozen" API with free software - the source code is far better. Function calls remain the same for the most part anyway. Talk about frozen API is non free propaganda. Kind of like saying an Olympic sprinter is slow because he does not have M$ bearings on his wheelchair. | May 17 21:11 | |
| tacone | no internet at home. i'm workarounding so much it's difficult to be attentive | May 17 21:11 |
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| ugh, the DDoS is working. can't see BN. | May 17 21:23 | |
| I liked the Family Money story. | May 17 21:23 | |
| I wonder if the DDoS is to shut up news questioning M$'s solvency. | May 17 21:24 | |
| My mind is like, "ha ha ha" | May 17 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | I have heaps more of MS articles | May 17 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Like 20+ | May 17 21:24 |
| wow | May 17 21:24 | |
| bottled up for a couple of days, they come flowing out. | May 17 21:25 | |
| The blogger idea might be good while the DDoS is on. | May 17 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | I keep calm and prepare them for later. This is like a form of initimidation | May 17 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Also trying to rub us up against hosts and all... | May 17 21:25 |
| It would not hurt to post stories there too. | May 17 21:25 | |
| ever talk to Laughing Squid? | May 17 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | This is criminal | May 17 21:26 |
| Yes, DDoS is a crime. | May 17 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | But I wonder if investigation will go far enough to identify those responsible | May 17 21:26 |
| I think people have tricks against DDoS, like switching IPs faster than the botnets can respond. | May 17 21:26 | |
| Justice would be nice. | May 17 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: nope, not spoken to them | May 17 21:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not a solution | May 17 21:27 |
| why not? | May 17 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | The current server is not the old one | May 17 21:27 |
| schestowitz | It's almost dedicated | May 17 21:27 |
| and how do you know if you have not talked to them? | May 17 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | Which means that what t he host tried to sell would not even have resolved it | May 17 21:27 |
| schestowitz | This can be resolved by them contacting the authorities, which I hope is what they did | May 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They keep eerily secret about it | May 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But in the last update it sounded reassurting | May 17 21:28 |
| there may be other ways to get around the problem, it's not my line of work so I really don't know | May 17 21:28 | |
| who keeps secrets? | May 17 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | "I have added your reply to your other ticket GYX-727360 which is in the Abuse department. Please await their reply. " | May 17 21:28 |
| your old host? | May 17 21:29 | |
| yes it is odd that they did not just tell you what the problem was. | May 17 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | Well, not sure about "old" | May 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | This is complicated | May 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how much I can blame them | May 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Apart from ignoring us | May 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Becuase the DDOS has gone on endlessly | May 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | So what would they do? | May 17 21:30 |
| they should keep you informed | May 17 21:30 | |
| how do you now know about a DDoS but did not know before? | May 17 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | tessier sees it | May 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was DDOS right from the start | May 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Thurs. night | May 17 21:32 |
| and he told you, that's the right thing to do. | May 17 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Then I mailed the host in the morning saying it looks like DDOS | May 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Then radio silence as far as the account post mortem is concerned | May 17 21:33 |
| I've suspected that some of your increased traffic has been DDoS all along. | May 17 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Nope | May 17 21:33 |
| Good. | May 17 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | It wasn't zombies | May 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | This one is not even real traffic quite | May 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Exit nodes | May 17 21:34 |
| ? | May 17 21:34 | |
| like fake TOR users? | May 17 21:34 | |
| so they target TOR too? | May 17 21:34 | |
| asses. | May 17 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | Ye | May 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 21:35 |
| It's like cancer. The only real cure available now is for people to quit smoking and polluting. | May 17 21:36 | |
| People should stop using Windows. | May 17 21:36 | |
| they use that crap because they are sheep or for some imagined performance or hardware benefit | May 17 21:44 | |
| then they wonder why their email is filled with spam and their favorite web sites don't work. | May 17 21:44 | |
| tacone | gtgt | May 17 21:46 |
| tacone | bb | May 17 21:46 |
| later | May 17 21:48 | |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* No news from the host yet. | May 17 22:18 |
| on the front page of wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BoardEx | May 17 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | Just a small update about the situation: the DDOS attacks on the domain carry on. We don't know the motive or the source, but many are using Tor. It is still the same thing which struck on Thursday night when the whole thing began. I hope the hosts/authorities investigate this. This was not an issue of the site in its proper form misbehaving; it was an attack on the server -- an attack from the outside. | May 17 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | When will it be sensible to relax flip back DNS? Who knows... It has been 3 days. Shane and I are hardly given information about progress made. | May 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | This is very unhelpful as the least one can do is provide us with an account of what's happening. | May 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: what does a Web host do when there is an attack? | May 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Assuming it can't cope? | May 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | twitter: sounds like a name for a waterboarding kit | May 17 22:21 |
| schestowitz | "waterboarding for toddler{R}": get your kit at the store today. Train your toddlers for a career in the US military :-) | May 17 22:21 |
| tacone | hard question to be answered on a iphone keyboard | May 17 22:22 |
| tacone | they call police | May 17 22:22 |
| schestowitz | yeah.. | May 17 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So maybe they haven't heard back? | May 17 22:23 |
| tacone | no other choice. they cope with it or they call police | May 17 22:23 |
| " BoardEx holds in-depth profiles of over 250,000 of the world's business leaders and its proprietary software shows the relationships between and among these individuals. This information is updated daily." | May 17 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | Why do they hide it? | May 17 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like they are not allowed to speak about it | May 17 22:23 |
| tacone | or they shut the customer down with silly excuses | May 17 22:23 |
| tacone | perhaps they don't want people to know that they can't cope with a script kiddie | May 17 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They keep repeating the same line | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's with the Abuse Depertment | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | You then ask why | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | No answer | May 17 22:25 |
| tacone | I think that's a gray area though. no ISP grant you security against Dos attacks. should they ? | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Just with the Abuse department | May 17 22:25 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you need a proxy | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Nope, but it doesn't help much | May 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I have one | May 17 22:26 |
| trmanco | shield BN once and for all :-P | May 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: won't help much | May 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Does the blog part work? | May 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I can get in and change it | May 17 22:26 |
| trmanco | it won't kill your server | May 17 22:26 |
| tacone | trnanco is right | May 17 22:26 |
| tacone | a proxy that catches all but your ip range would do | May 17 22:26 |
| trmanco | cpanel can block ip's | May 17 22:27 |
| trmanco | don't know about hostnames | May 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Error: 111: Connection refused | May 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | From London that is | May 17 22:27 |
| trmanco | but that is all configurable in apache I think | May 17 22:27 |
| tacone | is the attacking ip always the same ? | May 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | No | May 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | You'd wish, wouldn't you? | May 17 22:28 |
| trmanco | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html | May 17 22:28 |
| tacone | schestowitz: do you have root priviledges ? | May 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I can get the Wiki from London | May 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Let me try to change things | May 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what's it for? | May 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, tessier has root | May 17 22:29 |
| trmanco | block ip's/hostnames | May 17 22:29 |
| trmanco | don't they have common hostnames? | May 17 22:29 |
| tacone | that's the same thing. a good caching proxy can solve almost everything | May 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I try to get in from ther | May 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Point to blog as FP | May 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: see IRC log | May 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | We've done all that already | May 17 22:30 |
| tacone | wipe the wiki for now | May 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Can't | May 17 22:31 |
| trmanco | hmm | May 17 22:31 |
| tacone | can't ? | May 17 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I'm in dashboard | May 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, can't | May 17 22:32 |
| tacone | find the configuration file of the wiki and put die(); as the first line | May 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | blacklisted | May 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | by iptables I reckon | May 17 22:32 |
| tacone | ah? right | May 17 22:32 |
| trmanco | hmm, ibiblio is a good idea | May 17 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah | May 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Bloody hell | May 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | 145745 hits on FP | May 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | In half a day | May 17 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it would be useful to just toss all requests to / elsewhere. | May 17 22:35 |
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| trmanco | hmmm | May 17 22:36 |
| schestowitz | tacone: <schestowitz> Maybe it would be useful to just toss all requests to / elsewhere. | May 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | You fell out | May 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Should I assume attacks go to FP and serve junk? | May 17 22:37 |
| tacone | thx | May 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | They would just change landing page | May 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | FP of BN is no longer the Wiki | May 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Let me check cache | May 17 22:38 |
| tacone | so they hit the blog hp now ? | May 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | 271 cached pages | May 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Better than nothing | May 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | But it feels quicker now | May 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It's funny I got blacklisted twice | May 17 22:38 |
| tacone | apache should have a configurable reqs limit | May 17 22:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier let me out, then I was blacklisted again | May 17 22:39 |
| trmanco | time to go | May 17 22:39 |
| trmanco | cya guys | May 17 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Even w3c.org is blacklisted | May 17 22:40 |
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| tacone | a stupid idea | May 17 22:45 |
| tacone | google does this | May 17 22:45 |
| tacone | when the load rise too much, the display a sorry page and a captcha | May 17 22:46 |
| tacone | now, that would be pretty hard to get past | May 17 22:46 |
| tacone | schestowitz: what ya think ? | May 17 22:47 |
| but it would not solve the problem, just pain users | May 17 22:47 | |
| tacone | it would almost solve the problem | May 17 22:47 |
| the problem is that the server is overloaded with bogus requests | May 17 22:48 | |
| it does not matter what the server replies with | May 17 22:48 | |
| the server will be blocked from replying to real requests | May 17 22:48 | |
| because it is busy with bogus ones | May 17 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | May 17 22:49 |
| a captcha is not what real users want to see. | May 17 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: give me a moment | May 17 22:49 |
| tacone | yes it does. a captcha would be probably lighter than a full page | May 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | It seems from a distant PC like it's working faster now | May 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I don't know where this will end | May 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | *when | May 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | But I think we should treat it as a challenge | May 17 22:50 |
| tacone | works faster because you're not logged in | May 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | So far we've made all the right choices given the circumstances | May 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I am not losing sight of any important news | May 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I am just not able to post it (yet) | May 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | So I have heaps of stuff to post (Comes aside) | May 17 22:50 |
| tacone | wait I'll be back in 1 min | May 17 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: no captchas | May 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I can't access the server to install stuff, rither | May 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, he's gone | May 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Oops, I meant tacone, not tessier. He left so autocomplete went bonkers | May 17 22:51 |
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| tacone | hello | May 17 22:52 |
| tacone | ok, finally from a computer | May 17 22:52 |
| tacone | now we can talk | May 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Gadget hackers | May 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | * tacone has quit (Remote closed the connection) | May 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> tessier: no captchas | May 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I can't access the server to install stuff, rither | May 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Oh, he's gone | May 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Oops, I meant tacone, not tessier. He left so autocomplete went bonkers | May 17 22:53 |
| tacone | i think that displaying a 1 time re-captcha when the load rises too much is a good idea | May 17 22:53 |
| tacone | its pretty difficult to bring down a server that display a static page with a captcha read from an external website. | May 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Watch these fools using GartnerMS-defined measured (TCO): http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/power_supply/an_interesting_report_sparks_a.html | May 17 22:54 |
| tacone | google does that. | May 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It puts people off and SEs too | May 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to serve SEs junk pages | May 17 22:55 |
| tacone | why should put people down ? | May 17 22:55 |
| tacone | you would display just when the load is too high, i.e. under attack | May 17 22:56 |
| tacone | it's a one time captcha that stores a session cookie (with a 15min timeout or stuff like that) | May 17 22:56 |
| If you want a static page make the fp static, not a captcha | May 17 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | It's constantly under attack | May 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I can run uptime() cmd now | May 17 22:56 |
| all a captcha will do is serve something no one wants to see | May 17 22:56 | |
| tacone | every page can be attacked | May 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | But it's a persistent thing | May 17 22:57 |
| any page can be attacked, and it will have the same effect | May 17 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: might work for tools | May 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Not for content | May 17 22:57 |
| the server won't be able to respond | May 17 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | Had it been good, I'd come accross it | May 17 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | One qustion: | May 17 22:58 |
| mib_1ma6zu | glad to see the site is back up | May 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Is there something I can contact like the police? | May 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Or must I rely on the host? | May 17 22:58 |
| depends on where the host is, I think | May 17 22:58 | |
| schestowitz | mib_1ma6zu: not quite back | May 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It's on a different server, many bits still missing | May 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | It has been under DDOS for days | May 17 22:59 |
| tacone | every nation has an internet police of some kind these days | May 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | How does one contact it? | May 17 22:59 |
| tacone | in italy it's the postal police that deals with it. | May 17 22:59 |
| tacone | call the competent nation police and ask for information | May 17 23:00 |
| tacone | is your host in gb ? | May 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Nope | May 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | US | May 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Both | May 17 23:00 |
| tacone | i think you should call the nation's police. or ask the isp to call it on your behalf if they can't cope with that. | May 17 23:01 |
| schestowitz | US police? | May 17 23:01 |
| tacone | i guess so. | May 17 23:01 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I'll tell Shane | May 17 23:01 |
| tacone | k | May 17 23:01 |
| tacone | anyway botnets are tricky, i guess. | May 17 23:01 |
| mib_1ma6zu | Got a little more ODF stuff for you: | May 17 23:02 |
| mib_1ma6zu | http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archive/2009/05/05/odf-spreadsheet-interoperability.aspx#comments | May 17 23:02 |
| tacone | that said, police is probably more used to cope with this things | May 17 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Front page is getting like 10,000 per hour right now. | May 17 23:02 |
| tacone | wow | May 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | mib_1ma6zu: old-ish | May 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | And FUD | May 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Showing bugs in Lotus | May 17 23:03 |
| mib_1ma6zu | Ok, so you've seen it. Thought so. And of course it's FUD | May 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | A senior IBMer mailed me this evening | May 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is going bonkers basically | May 17 23:03 |
| tacone | 3 request per second | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They are in trouble | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | And been acting badly for 2 weeks he says | May 17 23:04 |
| mib_1ma6zu | acting badly in what way? | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | mib_1ma6zu: I wouldn't feed that criminal | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Doug is a criminal | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Don't believe me? | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Look back at his OOXML history | May 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | The prick should -- as far as I'm concerned -- be in prison or detention | May 17 23:05 |
| schestowitz | But we live in world where prisons are for shoplifers | May 17 23:05 |
| mib_1ma6zu | What, about that blog? Of course I believe you. His justification for why the incompatibilie | May 17 23:05 |
| schestowitz | White-collar crime is all "got get her! Goota get the money, baby111!" | May 17 23:05 |
| mib_1ma6zu | incompatibilities ruined a wedding planning was outright Andre level | May 17 23:05 |
| mib_1ma6zu | he called it a good thing | May 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | ANdre? | May 17 23:06 |
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| _Goblin | hi all! | May 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | AndreR? | May 17 23:06 |
| mib_1ma6zu | DeC | May 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Goblin n | May 17 23:07 |
| schestowitz | New posts from you I see. | May 17 23:07 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 17 23:07 |
| schestowitz | We're still DDOSed all the time | May 17 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Are you with Byte Host? | May 17 23:07 |
| _Goblin | yeah giving UbuntuOne a go. | May 17 23:07 |
| _Goblin | no. | May 17 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Just gusse | May 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | *guessed | May 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of this attack | May 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | The only solace is that it was not preventable | May 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Way to ruin over a weekend and who knows how much longer | May 17 23:08 |
| tacone | http://cboard.cprogramming.com/tech-board/115419-ddos-attacks-defending-php.html#post859768 | May 17 23:09 |
| _Goblin | been away for the weekend in Sunderland. Got my son christened... | May 17 23:09 |
| schestowitz | BoycottNovell boycotted the whole network around her | May 17 23:10 |
| schestowitz | *here | May 17 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I can't access from any PC I SSH to | May 17 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Bugger | May 17 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Do you have an SSH (no gui) PC I can borrow? | May 17 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Just to work on the BN account via SSH? | May 17 23:11 |
| tacone | i can open a guest ssh account on dreamhost | May 17 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | May 17 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I want to also uncomopress the media files on the home dir | May 17 23:12 |
| tacone | hang on | May 17 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Sri Lanka expelled a journalist < http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=FED&read=93502 > | May 17 23:13 |
| tessier | I cleared the block list so you should be able to get in again | May 17 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Britain's farmers still restricted by Chernobyl nuclear fallout < http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=127178 > | May 17 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Yayt!! | May 17 23:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: never mind | May 17 23:14 |
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| tacone | lol | May 17 23:15 |
| tacone | just did | May 17 23:15 |
| tacone | i'll keep that user for other uses | May 17 23:15 |
| schestowitz | load average: 0.44, 0.33, 0.94 :-D -D | May 17 23:16 |
| tacone | what happened ? | May 17 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Let me uncompress what I have | May 17 23:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: tessier probably mastered the filters | May 17 23:16 |
| tacone | i can't display the site, anyway | May 17 23:16 |
| tacone | maybe i'm in the filter | May 17 23:17 |
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| *schestowitz uncompresses large file (not complete though) | May 17 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: maybe | May 17 23:19 |
| tacone | sure | May 17 23:20 |
| tacone | i can see the site from ssh | May 17 23:20 |
| tacone | that's fine, what i'm using is not my usual internet line :) | May 17 23:20 |
| oiaohm | So everything is comeing under control schestowitz. | May 17 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Its also that the attacker could be giving up. | May 17 23:22 |
| tacone | if they really have a botnet they can go on undefinitely | May 17 23:22 |
| tacone | but with 3 requests per seconds, i still think it's a single computer. | May 17 23:22 |
| tacone | some stupid script kiddie messing up with apache ab. | May 17 23:23 |
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| works for me | May 17 23:25 | |
| tacone | ok, i'm sick. i'll go to bed | May 17 23:25 |
| not a lot of images, but I get text | May 17 23:25 | |
| tacone | disconnecting from here. bye | May 17 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, much better now | May 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | load average: 1.32, 1.23, 1.24 | May 17 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I could host the images on my box | May 17 23:30 |
| schestowitz | But then to change pointers is hell | May 17 23:31 |
| schestowitz | it's just that it takes like 20 to pass a backup and I always get cut off hald way through | May 17 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I'll just post more Linux news | May 17 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow I'll do loads of MS news like a machine | May 17 23:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier is the man of the day | May 17 23:32 |
| there seem to be text errors, but those may be typos. | May 17 23:33 | |
| MinceR | gn | May 17 23:33 |
| It's great to see the site back up. | May 17 23:33 | |
| schestowitz | Shane update: | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > I really don't know what the protocol on that is, surpass to this point | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > hasn't updated the issue that they opened in days. Perhaps this is part | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > of their investigation procedure, or they don't work weekends. | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > All I am interested in this point is your dbs, why can't they just pull | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > the machine offline and export them to freakin cds and ship them, you'd | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | > have them by now. | May 17 23:33 |
| schestowitz | tessier stablised the machines. I have a mechanism to sync the DBs when I get the new one. Same with home-dir. Tedious but it's an inevitable ordeal | May 17 23:34 |
| schestowitz | PJ and others know about the DDOS, but won't encourage but publicising | May 17 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Gnote Enters Debian, UbuntuOne Has No Mono < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/gnote-made-it-to-debian-sid/ > | May 17 23:50 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 17 23:57 |
| *schestowitz enjoys watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0gD3QT7QD4&feature=related | May 17 23:59 | |
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