IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 27th, 2009

schestowitz	!google oiaohm	Oct 27 00:00
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schestowitz	I installed curl	Oct 27 00:00
_goblin	I agree about the testers giving favorable reports, that seems quite plausable, but then not to know how bad Vista really was...I think it was a case that the realization came after the point of no return. I believe MS released Vista knowing fully how bad it was but knew that lockin and MS dependency would make a return and they could always say "it will be better next time"	Oct 27 00:00
schestowitz	I guess i need the php 'version'/wrapper	Oct 27 00:00
schestowitz	http://php.net/manual/en/function.curl-init.php	Oct 27 00:01
_goblin	maybe the best example of why the software proprietary model is so wrong in respect of your OS.	Oct 27 00:01
oiaohm	_goblin: vista also was late _goblin	Oct 27 00:01
oiaohm	So developers were rushing to complete stuff.	Oct 27 00:01
_goblin	yeah...i know, maybe to patch up the most serious of issues for at least basic functionality....	Oct 27 00:01
oiaohm	Lot of code poor users got never had been before the beta testers either.	Oct 27 00:01
_goblin	I suffered with Vista for 1 month.... :(	Oct 27 00:02
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oiaohm	and the nice result of that is broken massively.	Oct 27 00:02
oiaohm	Note the beta testers never had UAC _goblin	Oct 27 00:02
oiaohm	It was added in the end of the release cycle.	Oct 27 00:02
_goblin	already looking at Windows 7 issues, the cracks are begining to show...	Oct 27 00:02
oiaohm	You agree UAC was the worse feature of Vista.	Oct 27 00:03
_goblin	and was UAC as much of a problem as simply not being compatible or stable and being incredibly slow and bloated?	Oct 27 00:03
_goblin	in respect of those Vista issues I think UAC was a moot point.	Oct 27 00:03
oiaohm	Basically Vista was very poorly tested.	Oct 27 00:03
_goblin	agreed.	Oct 27 00:03
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oiaohm	And poorly tested means you have no clue how good OS will be.	Oct 27 00:03
_goblin	but then anyone who's used it will know, you don't have to test it for its problems to show...I saw them on day one.	Oct 27 00:04
oiaohm	you are taking a huge leap of faith.	Oct 27 00:04
oiaohm	Vista was pure incompetence in the development system.	Oct 27 00:04
schestowitz		Oct 27 00:05
oiaohm	Lot of the open source projects are adding larger and large test suites to prevent a vista like mess.	Oct 27 00:05
schestowitz	[00:02] <_goblin> already looking at Windows 7 issues, the cracks are begining to show...	Oct 27 00:05
schestowitz	_goblin: post about v7 coming tomorrow	Oct 27 00:05
schestowitz	Many pushbacks start showing	Oct 27 00:05
schestowitz	In blogs	Oct 27 00:05
oiaohm	Its like the MS file and printer sharing _goblin	Oct 27 00:05
_goblin	and I am wondering if that was not partially intentional....Microsoft didn't count on OS competition so released a half assed OS in order to milk more money three years later.....	Oct 27 00:05
oiaohm	Samba was giving the internal docs MS used.	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	People see no reason to leave XP	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	Only to run XP via VIsta7	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	Why?	Oct 27 00:06
oiaohm	Turned out MS protocal impleneation did not match.	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	To run programs	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	Vista 7 has compat issue	Oct 27 00:06
_goblin	without DX (if we are talking XPM)	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	And no real advantages	Oct 27 00:06
oiaohm	So samba developers accused MS of creating fake documents _goblin	Oct 27 00:06
oiaohm	Turned out MS did not even have a test suite.	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	_goblin: yes, many games won't work	Oct 27 00:06
schestowitz	WIth or without xpm	Oct 27 00:06
oiaohm	Testing was just plug into network with other windows machines do a few basic tests if it worked it was fine _goblin	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	I enjoy seeing reviews	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	Versus Microsoft PR	Oct 27 00:07
_goblin	As I always say if you want a new OS with XP compat, consider linux/wine....its a better choice than 7/xpm	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	Haha.	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/226367/new-microsoft-rp-chief-we-won-t-get-distracted	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	"John Bessey, new managing director of Microsoft Philippines, said the threat of Linux and other emerging market trends such as cloud computing are not likely to affect the stature of the company as long as consumers and businesses derive value from its products and services."	Oct 27 00:07
oiaohm	Does that explain where the strange issue from windows networking came from _goblin	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	PR people	Oct 27 00:07
schestowitz	How about hiring developers?	Oct 27 00:07
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schestowitz	_goblin: yes, but a lot of people don't know about Linux/VB	Oct 27 00:08
_goblin	I only experienced Vista@home.....even at work we have just upgraded to XP.	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	VirtualBox is good too	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	If they have a WIndows licence	Oct 27 00:08
cubezzz	bah	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	If not, then wine the buggers (binaries)	Oct 27 00:08
oiaohm	There last PR lead quit schestowitz	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	Several of them	Oct 27 00:08
schestowitz	Also the main Vista PR staff	Oct 27 00:09
oiaohm	Anyone want to lay bets how long this one lasts. schestowitz	Oct 27 00:09
schestowitz	http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207001276	Oct 27 00:09
oiaohm	Churn in PR staff is a sign of a major problem.	Oct 27 00:09
schestowitz	Microsoft's Vista Blogger Quits As Redmond Exodus Builds	Oct 27 00:09
schestowitz	"Nick White, Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT)'s in-house blogger who wrote about all things related to the Windows Vista operating system, has resigned. It's the latest in a series of key departures from the s"	Oct 27 00:09
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schestowitz	ANd:	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1158	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	Vista marketing chief to bid Microsoft adieu	Oct 27 00:10
oiaohm	Good PR staff stay around for a long time and build up key releationship to get information out.	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	oiaohm: I'd rather not link to the MB aritlce	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	It's like a Microsoft ad	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	But it's good to know many jumop shop	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	That's Manilla	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	Philippines	Oct 27 00:10
schestowitz	They lost their COuntry manager	Oct 27 00:11
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/14/ms-bad-in-china-philippines/	Oct 27 00:11
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/24/microsoft-bad-in-philippines/	Oct 27 00:11
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/02/philippines-spark-tobacco-lockin/	Oct 27 00:12
schestowitz	Head of Microsoft Philippines Ditches the Company, More Layoffs Revealed (But Microsoft Withholds Details) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/31/more-msft-nz-layoffs-revealed/	Oct 27 00:12
schestowitz	It figures	Oct 27 00:12
schestowitz	They don't buy from Microsoft	Oct 27 00:12
schestowitz	They countereit	Oct 27 00:12
schestowitz	And use FOSS, so Microsoft brings *Spark (dumping)	Oct 27 00:13
schestowitz	Or EDGI+variants	Oct 27 00:13
schestowitz	*counterfeit	Oct 27 00:13
oiaohm	There is only so long that MS can keep firing staff.	Oct 27 00:13
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oiaohm	R&D expendutre droping is a worry.	Oct 27 00:14
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Everyone in this apartment, but me, is infected now	Oct 27 00:14
DaemonFC	2009 A/H1N1	Oct 27 00:14
oiaohm	Great	Oct 27 00:14
DaemonFC	I'm not exagerrating either, not at all	Oct 27 00:14
DaemonFC	EVERY single person except me is infected	Oct 27 00:14
oiaohm	So if you drop off face of earth we know what has happened DaemonFC	Oct 27 00:14
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I took the vaccine	Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz	DaemonFC: SARS?	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	and I've been washing my hands like every time I touch something	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz, influenza	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	even the baby downstairs has it	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	won't stop crying	Oct 27 00:15
oiaohm	You could be a carrer DaemonFC	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	this is bad	Oct 27 00:15
schestowitz	wear a mask	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	oiaohm, Unlikely	Oct 27 00:15
DaemonFC	I took the vaccine	Oct 27 00:16
schestowitz	http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/10/creepyjackomask.jpg	Oct 27 00:16
DaemonFC	I'm betting nobody else that lives here did	Oct 27 00:16
DaemonFC	now they all have to flu and I don't	Oct 27 00:16
oiaohm	the H1N1 vaccine can block you from getting sick with it.	Oct 27 00:16
DaemonFC	who's the idiot now?	Oct 27 00:16
oiaohm	Let leave you a carrior DaemonFC	Oct 27 00:16
schestowitz	http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/13-michael-jackson-mask-WI-062609-lg-57241461.jpg	Oct 27 00:16
DaemonFC	*to=the	Oct 27 00:16
DaemonFC	oiaohm, Mask won't stop it	Oct 27 00:17
DaemonFC	CDC says so	Oct 27 00:17
oiaohm	Its not airborn.	Oct 27 00:17
oiaohm	Marks is pointless.	Oct 27 00:17
DaemonFC	I hosed down the hallway with Lysol just now	Oct 27 00:17
oiaohm	That was very fast to work out.	Oct 27 00:17
oiaohm	Or lots or lots on air craft would have been sick.	Oct 27 00:18
schestowitz	oiaohm: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/26/tilera_third_gen_mesh_chips/	Oct 27 00:18
schestowitz	"Upstart massively multicore chip designer Tilera has divulged the details on its upcoming third generation of Tile processors, which will sport from 16 to 100 cores on a single die."	Oct 27 00:18
oiaohm	Yep seen them nice buggers schestowitz	Oct 27 00:18
oiaohm	I used the old 64 core chips slower but still nice.	Oct 27 00:18
schestowitz	"There are a lot of differences between the Tile family of chips and these graphics processors, but the key one is that the Tile multicore processors run Linux directly (albeit a homegrown one) and are being designed not just for digital signal and networking processing, but to run that standard LAMP stack - Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP."	Oct 27 00:19
schestowitz	DaemonFC: make a tent while the disease is inside /j	Oct 27 00:20
oiaohm	I have used tile for large are virus scanning.	Oct 27 00:20
DaemonFC	schestowitz, This is getting very bad	Oct 27 00:20
DaemonFC	I was in McDonalds today and saw about 6 people come in coughing and wheezing	Oct 27 00:21
schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/terrorism/assets/hazmat_suit.jpg	Oct 27 00:21
oiaohm	There is something else as well.	Oct 27 00:21
schestowitz	Just fix z straw in it :-)	Oct 27 00:21
oiaohm	the virus does not seam to transmit in areas where there is heat.	Oct 27 00:21
oiaohm	Cold temp seams to be a requirement for its transfer.	Oct 27 00:21
oiaohm	You don't need hazmat for h1n1 food prep gloves do. It is mostly contact transfer.	Oct 27 00:22
DaemonFC	oiaohm, droplets	Oct 27 00:23
DaemonFC	AKA, sneezing, coughing	Oct 27 00:23
oiaohm	That is what is funny.	Oct 27 00:23
oiaohm	It don't seam to spreed in those droplets	Oct 27 00:24
oiaohm	coughing and sneezing seams to be purely body own reaction not where the virus is.	Oct 27 00:24
oiaohm	Yet a person touch something then you touch it you are at risk.	Oct 27 00:25
oiaohm	Most of the cold base viruses are airborn in the droplets. H1N1 is a odd ball.	Oct 27 00:26
oiaohm	Since cold makes it last fridges become highly dangrous with it.	Oct 27 00:27
oiaohm	DaemonFC: everyone would have shared the same door into the building right. And touched it without gloves.	Oct 27 00:28
oiaohm	Contact born is extreamly effective transport system.	Oct 27 00:29
schestowitz	Scary stuff.	Oct 27 00:30
schestowitz	I've not been ill in ages	Oct 27 00:31
oiaohm	That has also been the funny thing we though we were doing good not being ill for ages.	Oct 27 00:32
schestowitz	http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/24/john-dvorak-reverses-entire-career-says-microsoft-should-copy-apple/	Oct 27 00:32
oiaohm	Turned out we were kinda too sick to get ill schestowitz	Oct 27 00:32
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I use GermX after touching public doorknobs	Oct 27 00:32
schestowitz	You can get the bacteria dead	Oct 27 00:32
DaemonFC	I keep a bottle with me	Oct 27 00:32
schestowitz	For vaccination without the pain	Oct 27 00:32
schestowitz	But then you cheat evolution	Oct 27 00:32
DaemonFC	oiaohm, The alcohol in it kills influenza	Oct 27 00:33
DaemonFC	among lots of things	Oct 27 00:33
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oiaohm	GermX stuff don't work 100 percent.	Oct 27 00:33
DaemonFC	I've been taking every possible precaution, including getting the vaccine	Oct 27 00:33
oiaohm	Gloves are the simplest.	Oct 27 00:33
phIRCe-local	Hello World!	Oct 27 00:33
oiaohm	Ie gloves + germx it don't stand a chance DaemonFC	Oct 27 00:33
DaemonFC	oiaohm, It still leaves you to cross contaminate anything you touch	Oct 27 00:34
DaemonFC	including things you may touch or eat later	Oct 27 00:34
schestowitz	http://digitizor.com/2009/10/25/9-awesome-features-fedora-12/	Oct 27 00:35
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oiaohm	gloves keep it off hands so blocking cut or damage in skin infection DaemonFC	Oct 27 00:35
oiaohm	You have to use it combind with germx to get close to full protection.	Oct 27 00:35
oiaohm	Also I cannot use germx directly on my skin.	Oct 27 00:36
oiaohm	The alcohol goes threw my skin.	Oct 27 00:36
schestowitz	/me finds http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/php/install.html	Oct 27 00:36
oiaohm	DaemonFC: not all door hands are smooth some are rough so getting virus into body too deep for germx to work	Oct 27 00:37
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phIRCe-local	Hello World!	Oct 27 00:38
schestowitz	http://digitizor.com/2009/10/25/9-awesome-features-fedora-12/	Oct 27 00:38
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schestowitz	OK, fixed	Oct 27 00:38
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schestowitz	http://buytaert.net/whitehouse-gov-using-drupal	Oct 27 00:42
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schestowitz	!google microsoft uses drupal	Oct 27 00:44
phIRCe-local	[1] - Blogger touts SharePoint, but uses Drupal \| The Open Road - CNET News \| http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10305396-16.html	Oct 27 00:44
phIRCe-local	[2] - Viddler.com - How To Use Drupal Blocks - Uploaded by beyourownit \| http://www.viddler.com/explore/beyourownit/videos/42/	Oct 27 00:44
phIRCe-local	[3] - Drupal vs. SharePoint from a Developer's Viewpoint \| Mediacurrent \| http://www.mediacurrent.com/blogs/drupal-vs-sharepoint	Oct 27 00:44
phIRCe-local	[4] - Microsoft and Drupal \| Dries Buytaert \| http://buytaert.net/microsoft-and-drupal	Oct 27 00:44
wallc	Well, Monday is over for me, and none too soon, I might add. What a crazy day. It's time for food and quiet....so, bye for now.	Oct 27 00:45
wallc	:)	Oct 27 00:45
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schestowitz	Thanks!	Oct 27 00:45
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_goblin	"schestowitz claims to have secret contacts, why can't I?" - Elland Road	Oct 27 00:56
_goblin	been showing up a blogger and his one reader today....	Oct 27 00:56
_goblin	elland Road a name linked with Lin$ux ergo, immaturity, profanity and weak arguments...(oh and a little dishonesty thrown in for good measure)	Oct 27 00:57
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oiaohm	Hmm where is that from _goblin	Oct 27 01:04
_goblin	from a blogger of the Lin%ux community.	Oct 27 01:07
_goblin	it was his opinions of Roy's interview and some lies he posted about me.	Oct 27 01:08
_goblin	Ive not highlighted it on the blog as he appears to get only 1 or 2 readers (probably all from Linsux) and I didn't want to give him any cheap hits.	Oct 27 01:08
oiaohm	Big thing over the secret contacts. schestowitz has had some of his secret contacts come forward and say who they are.	Oct 27 01:09
_goblin	I can PM you the link if you want to look at it.	Oct 27 01:09
oiaohm	So a linsux drop kick.	Oct 27 01:09
_goblin	its a really dire effort....	Oct 27 01:09
oiaohm	Most because BSD is losing.	Oct 27 01:10
oiaohm	Upset BSD fans.	Oct 27 01:10
_goblin	I think they are all Windows users...	Oct 27 01:10
_goblin	always have been	Oct 27 01:10
_goblin	if you check their "work" its all pro-MS	Oct 27 01:10
oiaohm	Some of them are.	Oct 27 01:11
_goblin	can't remember now how I discovered their little den...I think it was COLA.	Oct 27 01:11
schestowitz	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MOCs5B8LekE/SuTjaV3TTZI/AAAAAAAAAS8/Pe5LQo09XXY/s1600-h/shell-black2.png	Oct 27 01:11
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_goblin	they ran a little "hall of fame" with myself, Roy, Homer and many others....I was quite proud to be mentioned on the same page!	Oct 27 01:12
schestowitz	[01:09] <_goblin> I can PM you the link if you want to look at it.	Oct 27 01:12
schestowitz	No, don't feed trolls	Oct 27 01:12
schestowitz	Just ignore them	Oct 27 01:12
schestowitz	THey don't like Linux	Oct 27 01:12
_goblin	Ive already responded....I got them to correct some lies.	Oct 27 01:13
schestowitz	They want to portray Linux advocates as "bad"	Oct 27 01:13
_goblin	they've certainly failed in this instance.	Oct 27 01:13
_goblin	Ive simply shown them up as liars.	Oct 27 01:13
_goblin	the funny thing is they seem genuinely surprised at how I found their article....they obviously didn't intend for me to see it....	Oct 27 01:14
_goblin	they even asked how I found it.....	Oct 27 01:14
oiaohm	Did you answer the normal by mistake in google.	Oct 27 01:15
_goblin	if I was 18 years younger and it was the old Amiga days.....I would have called them lamers.	Oct 27 01:15
_goblin	sorry oiaohm?	Oct 27 01:16
oiaohm	When they asked how you found it _goblin	Oct 27 01:16
_goblin	ah	Oct 27 01:16
schestowitz	Did Linux action show just rename to computer action show? http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=1401	Oct 27 01:16
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schestowitz	It would make sense	Oct 27 01:17
_goblin	no, I gave nothing away....just said: "if he or you knew anything about the subjects of the people you attack and not simply how to troll, you wouldn't need to ask.."	Oct 27 01:17
schestowitz	They were (partly) Windows users doing an anti-GNU show	Oct 27 01:17
schestowitz	http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2009/10/windows_7_the_f.html	Oct 27 01:18
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schestowitz	Ha! Priceless	Oct 27 01:18
schestowitz	"My main Windows 7 system, which has been rock solid since I installed the shipping version of the operating system in early August, presented me with my first Blue Screen of Death this morning. The system had been acting a bit cranky for an hour or so when it suddenly crashed."	Oct 27 01:18
schestowitz	Here we go, baby!	Oct 27 01:18
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oiaohm	Ok how many months is that about 3?	Oct 27 01:18
oiaohm	So Windows 7 is the same as NT 3.5 ?	Oct 27 01:19
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40626#comment-11723	Oct 27 01:22
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schestowitz	I need to get some sleep, I thinl...	Oct 27 01:23
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schestowitz	http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/26/remote-control-drone-attacks-risk-losing-hearts-minds/	Oct 27 01:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Debate: @RalphieNader and Barny Frank ! on #TARP #bailout #banking #hr3126 #CFPA Glass–Steagall #bonuses http://ur1.ca/eicb		Oct 27 02:04
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cubezzz	Amiga days :)	Oct 27 04:09
cubezzz	xboard is missing fonts, the chess player is very displeased	Oct 27 04:09
cubezzz	any easy way to clipboard from one Linux computer to another?	Oct 27 04:15
cubezzz	guess I'll just ssh into the server	Oct 27 04:19
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fewa	i read somewhere that you could put the keyboard and mouse of one computer onto another X screen	Oct 27 04:40
fewa	and forgot how it was done	Oct 27 04:40
DaemonFC	the X11 nightmare	Oct 27 04:42
fewa	wut	Oct 27 04:43
fewa	X11 is great	Oct 27 04:43
DaemonFC	would be nice if they could replace it with something that works right rather than trying to gut it a piece at a time and replace each piece with something that works	Oct 27 04:43
fewa	what can you do with Windows UI that you cant do with X11?	Oct 27 04:43
fewa	I can list many thing that win32 gui cant do	Oct 27 04:43
DaemonFC	X11 is hardly a GUI by itself	Oct 27 04:44
fewa	windowing system	Oct 27 04:44
DaemonFC	it's just part of the great sandwich of *nix	Oct 27 04:45
fewa	http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/	Oct 27 04:46
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fewa	2006...	Oct 27 04:46
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fewa	guess its maintaned	Oct 27 05:11
fewa	http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=synergy	Oct 27 05:11
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Diablo-D3	synergy sucks so badly	Oct 27 05:12
fewa	hmm	Oct 27 05:12
*Diablo-D3 quit using that		Oct 27 05:12
fewa	there has to be a way	Oct 27 05:12
Diablo-D3	you really want x2x	Oct 27 05:12
Diablo-D3	or x2vnc	Oct 27 05:12
Diablo-D3	or win2vnc	Oct 27 05:12
fewa	just with X11	Oct 27 05:12
Diablo-D3	I use x2x now	Oct 27 05:12
Diablo-D3	example of usage: ssh tempest x2x -west -to :0	Oct 27 05:13
fewa	yes that looks better	Oct 27 05:13
Diablo-D3	tempest is the laptop I'm remote controlling	Oct 27 05:13
Diablo-D3	it is left of me	Oct 27 05:13
fewa	so you have to install it on the target	Oct 27 05:18
fewa	not the source	Oct 27 05:18
Diablo-D3	to make ssh work, yes	Oct 27 05:21
Diablo-D3	technically you're not supposed to	Oct 27 05:21
Diablo-D3	but X authentication is worthless shit	Oct 27 05:21
Diablo-D3	so making ssh handle it for you is such a superior method	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	its not working	Oct 27 05:22
Diablo-D3	where is your remote machine?	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	a virtual machine:P	Oct 27 05:22
Diablo-D3	uh	Oct 27 05:22
Diablo-D3	you dont use x2x for that.	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	i know	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	but yous till could	Oct 27 05:22
Diablo-D3	no you cant	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	why not?	Oct 27 05:22
Diablo-D3	well, you might, but it'd be really confusing	Oct 27 05:22
fewa	yes	Oct 27 05:23
fewa	but im just testing it out	Oct 27 05:23
Diablo-D3	I have X on by default on tempest	Oct 27 05:23
fewa	x2x - error: can not open display	Oct 27 05:23
Diablo-D3	so add a -X in there	Oct 27 05:23
Diablo-D3	after ssh before machine name	Oct 27 05:23
Diablo-D3	ssh doesnt do X forwarding by default	Oct 27 05:23
fewa	woot it worked	Oct 27 05:23
fewa	sweet	Oct 27 05:23
fewa	woah that cool	Oct 27 05:24
fewa	sweet :P	Oct 27 05:24
fewa	there ws a prob with xcb libraries not too long abo where they had Nagle's algorithm on	Oct 27 05:27
Diablo-D3	not that shit again	Oct 27 05:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] I'm Not Here To Defend Everything The Insurance Industry Does BUT…Congressman @danburton http://ur1.ca/eiql #hc09 #sick4profit #sickcare #hc		Oct 27 06:02
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DaemonFC	oh hell no	Oct 27 06:09
DaemonFC	Burton	Oct 27 06:09
DaemonFC	yuck	Oct 27 06:09
DaemonFC	that's the congressman for my district in Indiana. such an embarassment	Oct 27 06:09
cubezzz	x2x looks very old	Oct 27 06:20
Diablo-D3	x2x is very old	Oct 27 06:25
Diablo-D3	I think Ive been using it for a decade	Oct 27 06:25
fewa	doesn't matter	Oct 27 06:25
fewa	its part of the X protocol	Oct 27 06:25
Diablo-D3	fewa: btw, if you're going to make this perminent	Oct 27 06:25
fewa	until they drop it	Oct 27 06:25
Diablo-D3	add a profile for it in your .ssh/config	Oct 27 06:25
cubezzz	how did you compile it?	Oct 27 06:25
Diablo-D3	and a key	Oct 27 06:26
Diablo-D3	cubezzz: he apt-got it	Oct 27 06:26
Diablo-D3	its in debian after all	Oct 27 06:26
fewa	apt-get install x2x	Oct 27 06:26
fewa	poc	Oct 27 06:26
Diablo-D3	fewa: passphraseless keys++	Oct 27 06:26
fewa	Diablo-D3, o yes, i already have that	Oct 27 06:26
fewa	ssh-copy-id	Oct 27 06:26
Diablo-D3	host tempest 192.168.2.4	Oct 27 06:27
Diablo-D3	ForwardX11 yes	Oct 27 06:27
Diablo-D3	Compression no	Oct 27 06:27
Diablo-D3	lawl	Oct 27 06:27
DaemonFC	we don't have enough swine flu vaccine for our own people, but Obama still wants to give 10% of our supply away	Oct 27 06:29
fewa	DaemonFC, Walmart double charges	Oct 27 06:29
DaemonFC	that's the kind of bullshit charity I was talking about a while back	Oct 27 06:29
fewa	they charge Medicaid/Medicare	Oct 27 06:29
fewa	and then the customer	Oct 27 06:29
DaemonFC	fewa, Medicare will pay 80% of it	Oct 27 06:30
fewa	along with a few other unscrupulus businesses	Oct 27 06:30
DaemonFC	so you might have like $2 or something left, yeah	Oct 27 06:30
fewa	but they charge its cost	Oct 27 06:30
fewa	they charge $15	Oct 27 06:30
DaemonFC	Medicaid would pay for all of it	Oct 27 06:30
fewa	and then bill Medicare/Medicaid as well	Oct 27 06:30
DaemonFC	fewa, That wouldn't happen	Oct 27 06:30
DaemonFC	it would be highly illegal and would cost them more than they stand to make in fines and penalties alone	Oct 27 06:31
fewa	hmmm	Oct 27 06:31
fewa	well maybe not them	Oct 27 06:31
fewa	anyways, its swine flu	Oct 27 06:31
DaemonFC	fewa, If they could get away with it on a large scale and no laws against defrauding the government, they may do that	Oct 27 06:31
fewa	the false claims act is a good law	Oct 27 06:32
DaemonFC	I'd call bullshit on this first of all, because the customer would notice that	Oct 27 06:32
fewa	so yeah, you are probably right	Oct 27 06:32
fewa	it was only an allegation, i didn't researh it	Oct 27 06:32
DaemonFC	fewa, I paid $18 at Walgreens	Oct 27 06:32
DaemonFC	I have no insurance though	Oct 27 06:32
DaemonFC	the $18 was a better investment than trying to fend off another $10,000 in hospital bills if the swine flu takes me down as hard as I've seen it do to others	Oct 27 06:33
DaemonFC	fewa, It's $15 if you can find any place that has the shot, that's what runs out first	Oct 27 06:34
DaemonFC	they have tons of the nasal spray version, that's $18	Oct 27 06:34
DaemonFC	rumors going around that the nasal spray doesn't work means a lot of people won't take it	Oct 27 06:35
DaemonFC	fact is that it's just as effective as a shot, and some studies have suggested, more effective	Oct 27 06:35
DaemonFC	they believe that the FluMist nasal spray may offer some immunity to subtypes of flu other than what the vaccine is made for	Oct 27 06:36
DaemonFC	it is worthless in old people though	Oct 27 06:36
DaemonFC	they say don't bother if you're over 49	Oct 27 06:36
DaemonFC	fewa, My name is still on the waiting list for the shot at the health department, so I'm tossing around the idea of maybe taking that too	Oct 27 06:37
DaemonFC	couldn't hurt	Oct 27 06:37
DaemonFC	I think people are just skeptical of anything new, that's why they are refusing the nasal spray	Oct 27 06:38
cubezzz	nasal spray isn't that new :)	Oct 27 06:40
DaemonFC	cubezzz, 2003, so about 6 years old	Oct 27 06:40
DaemonFC	people have been getting the shot for over 60 years	Oct 27 06:41
cubezzz	I'd rather get the nasal spray than a needle	Oct 27 06:41
DaemonFC	cubezzz, I wouldn't bother unless it's all you can find	Oct 27 06:41
DaemonFC	the shot doesn't even hurt	Oct 27 06:41
DaemonFC	the older you get, the less of an effect the nasal spray would have on you	Oct 27 06:42
cubezzz	I can't find anything on x2x except this old 1997 source code	Oct 27 06:43
cubezzz	yum install x2x didn't work for me	Oct 27 06:43
fewa	http://packages.debian.org/sid/x2x	Oct 27 06:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS \| Technology \| Ubuntu readies the Karmic Koala http://tinyurl.com/yhcxlkt		Oct 27 07:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Metallica #Pinball Table Runs #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/eiwy		Oct 27 07:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Works Fine in Business Desktops http://ur1.ca/eixi http://ur1.ca/eixj		Oct 27 08:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unknown Horizons Runs on #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/eixl http://ur1.ca/eixm		Oct 27 08:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Works Well, Has Presence at #Ontario #LinuxFest http://ur1.ca/eixs http://ur1.ca/eixt http://ur1.ca/eixu		Oct 27 08:12
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #xcompmgr is noticably faster and lighter than #compiz on my #Powerbook G4 + #Radeon 9600, using #EXA		Oct 27 08:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rare #Review of #GNOME #SlackBuild 2.26.3 http://bit.ly/Zlnao		Oct 27 08:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #KDE4 Distribution Chakra is Reviewed http://bit.ly/29nwxj Looks nice		Oct 27 08:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Gentoo 10.1 #LiveDVD http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYzOA		Oct 27 08:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #Mandriva Just Days Away http://ur1.ca/eiyc http://ur1.ca/eiyd http://ur1.ca/egic		Oct 27 08:21
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Article Details New #CentOS Features http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6664150386.html		Oct 27 08:32
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] renice -20 `pidof X`fixes all my 2D speed problems on my #powerbook ... #CFS sucks badly		Oct 27 08:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 12 Gets Very Powerful Features http://ur1.ca/eiz1 http://ur1.ca/eggr		Oct 27 08:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 14-Terabyte #Storage Unit Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/2sTQ9P		Oct 27 08:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux-based #Nokia #N900 Shows Anyone Can Use #GNU / Linux Now http://ur1.ca/eizd http://ur1.ca/eizf		Oct 27 08:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 100-Core #Mesh processor Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/rvbVf		Oct 27 08:45
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Will the real "new" features in Windows 7 please stand up http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1009		Oct 27 08:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #GRUB 1.97 is Out http://bit.ly/15L53s		Oct 27 08:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Exciting Wins for #FreeSoftware in #Thailand http://opensource.org/node/483		Oct 27 08:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LLVM 2.6 is Released http://bit.ly/2KVbo3 #bsd		Oct 27 08:59
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at #Patent #Trolls / #Hoarders Shows #USPTO is Broken http://ur1.ca/ej1c http://ur1.ca/ej1d		Oct 27 09:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Leads to "Flood of Complaints" http://bit.ly/19Wx23		Oct 27 09:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm finding many negative experiences from Vista7 users in recent days. It's like Vista circa 2007		Oct 27 09:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Nice piece about Ubuntu linked from the BBC home page http://bit.ly/3f854w		Oct 27 09:49
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oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi_%28software%29 I forget this attempt by sun to make windows api a ISO standard	Oct 27 10:32
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trmanco	cool	Oct 27 11:12
trmanco	who is phirce-local?	Oct 27 11:13
trmanco	ah, it's schestowitz	Oct 27 11:13
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satipera	hello all	Oct 27 11:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Waiting (im)patiently for my HTC Hero to arrive.		Oct 27 11:21
satipera	Roy, I had not previously delved so far into the guardian technology site as to read charlies angles, have you read it by any chance?	Oct 27 11:22
satipera	The articles go back a few months, but have a look he seems quite on board.	Oct 27 11:23
satipera	If I remember correctly he is the tecdhnology section editor	Oct 27 11:24
satipera	Well it surprised me , just thought I would mention it.	Oct 27 11:25
satipera	bye all	Oct 27 11:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS \| World \| Europe \| Scientologists convicted of fraud http://tinyurl.com/ykgfwhv		Oct 27 11:27
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Will__	Great jack o lantern: http://kotaku.com/5390665/the-red-ring-of-pumpkin-death	Oct 27 11:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] WhiteHouse.gov now uses Open Source software to power the site - Drupal specifically. Neat. http://bit.ly/GvQ7y How did I miss that.		Oct 27 11:33
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Scientology is not a #religion http://ur1.ca/ejd9		Oct 27 11:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Outlook set for more open future - More distraction PR stories spouted by loyal proxies http://tinyurl.com/ygarho5		Oct 27 11:34
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schestowitz	trmanco: you run yours :-)	Oct 27 11:42
schestowitz	Just needed a fallback overnight	Oct 27 11:43
trmanco	I haven't done any major changes to my copy yet	Oct 27 11:43
schestowitz	schestowitz: not Charles Arthur?	Oct 27 11:43
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schestowitz	oops.	Oct 27 11:44
schestowitz	<satipera> I meant	Oct 27 11:44
schestowitz	He had left	Oct 27 11:44
schestowitz	trmanco: I had to get php5-curl	Oct 27 11:45
trmanco	yeah	Oct 27 11:45
trmanco	maybe I should update the requirements	Oct 27 11:46
schestowitz	Are you gonna run your copy?	Oct 27 11:47
oiaohm	http://www.osnews.com/story/22397/Qt4_Ported_to_Haiku_Developer_Preview_Release_Available Hmm QT quickly coming the framework to run everywhere.	Oct 27 11:49
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schestowitz	Haha	Oct 27 12:16
schestowitz	Haiku	Oct 27 12:16
oiaohm	http://steveire.wordpress.com/ Akonadi is also going strange now web support.	Oct 27 12:20
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phIRCe	Hello World!	Oct 27 12:21
schestowitz	:-)	Oct 27 12:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Real (and Negative) #Reviews of #Vista7 Start Coming http://bit.ly/4h1PCU		Oct 27 12:22
trmanco	:)	Oct 27 12:22
schestowitz	Read the above post	Oct 27 12:23
phIRCe	Title: The Real (and Negative) Reviews of Vista 7 Start Coming \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 120.97 KB	Oct 27 12:23
schestowitz	Vista 7 is dying in the public mind rapidly	Oct 27 12:23
trmanco	it gets as stupid as not being able to login into a simple forum...	Oct 27 12:25
schestowitz	Which one?	Oct 27 12:25
schestowitz	They have no windows7 groups	Oct 27 12:25
schestowitz	Unlike Vista	Oct 27 12:25
trmanco	"Já falei com o cenouras à muito tempo, não sei se foi desde que instalei o 7 ou a nova versão do Firefox, há muito tempo que me dá sempre o mesmo erro, o problema não é da net que através do Linux funciona bem..."	Oct 27 12:25
schestowitz	And they didn't troll COLA, for the first time in like... ever	Oct 27 12:25
schestowitz	I see...	Oct 27 12:26
schestowitz	So compatibility issues on arrival	Oct 27 12:26
trmanco	it gives him session errors	Oct 27 12:26
trmanco	but on linux it works	Oct 27 12:26
trmanco	time to put 7 in the trash	Oct 27 12:26
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trmanco	will it blend?	Oct 27 12:27
trmanco	:-p	Oct 27 12:27
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oiaohm	Thing is gap between windows and Linux is closing.	Oct 27 12:31
oiaohm	Mostly because MS has stood still for too long.	Oct 27 12:31
ThistleWeb	so much MS work has been in trying to move the goalposts to prevent interoperability, than actually doing anything new or inovative	Oct 27 12:32
ThistleWeb	"if it works, we'll fix it"	Oct 27 12:32
ThistleWeb	all to keep people addicted	Oct 27 12:33
oiaohm	Linux world has been trying to create interoperablity in its zone.	Oct 27 12:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Bilski hearing next 9 November in Washington DC: http://i5.be/P8		Oct 27 12:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/Dxvfa chrotle "Microsoft Shocked 'Family Guy' Humor Includes Incest, Holocaust Jokes"		Oct 27 12:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for Federal Action Against #Microsoft (and Gates) #Tax Dodge http://ping.fm/E0sVr		Oct 27 13:20
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/wireless_tax/	Oct 27 13:22
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oiaohm	http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_56 So suitable.	Oct 27 13:22
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schestowitz	oiaohm: I didn't see article/blog posts about launch parties	Oct 27 13:23
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/26/whitehouse_website_goes_open_source/ "Known as Drupal, the new open-source platform carries a GNU General Public License, and support services are provided by a startup called Acquia."	Oct 27 13:27
oiaohm	I think they were complete flop.	Oct 27 13:27
phIRCe	Title: Obama's White House web gets all open sourcy • The Register .::. Size~: 24.26 KB	Oct 27 13:27
schestowitz	LOL @ "ditching the proprietary CMS used by the Dubya administration."	Oct 27 13:27
schestowitz	MSBBC has a "Koala v Windows" article today	Oct 27 13:28
*schestowitz listens to http://www.honeysac.jp/		Oct 27 13:29
phIRCe	Title: HONEY SAC official site .::. Size~: 2.6 KB	Oct 27 13:29
oiaohm	Next month is the start of the distribution cycle.	Oct 27 13:29
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/26/youtube-faces-formal-complaints-in-germany	Oct 27 13:30
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schestowitz	oiaohm: yes	Oct 27 13:31
schestowitz	I can't be arsed to move to Mandriva on the main box and set things up again	Oct 27 13:31
schestowitz	But when this one ages...	Oct 27 13:31
schestowitz	Are you on Debian"?	Oct 27 13:31
schestowitz	http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/68473.html	Oct 27 13:33
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oiaohm	Currently on Debian schestowitz	Oct 27 13:35
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oiaohm	I am over due for a change of distribution.	Oct 27 13:36
schestowitz	Opensuse is good for kde	Oct 27 13:37
schestowitz	Green plasma	Oct 27 13:37
zer0c00l	schestowitz: whats the distro you are on?	Oct 27 13:40
oiaohm	My check list of stuff I want in Linux is getting shorter.	Oct 27 13:41
oiaohm	I am looking forward to gimps planed plate system.	Oct 27 13:41
ThistleWeb	I find that too, but part of me thinks......hang on, where was I?......oh yeah, memory issues, I forget stuff lol	Oct 27 13:41
ThistleWeb	the single window gimp is a huge deal	Oct 27 13:42
zer0c00l	ThistleWeb: How?	Oct 27 13:42
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20091026/0347016672.shtml Dear Hollywood: Don't Be Idiots; Don't Delay Movie Rentals	Oct 27 13:42
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schestowitz	zer0c00l: right now kubuntu 9.10	Oct 27 13:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] LG Electronics poxying lawsuits through patent trolls: http://i5.be/Qa		Oct 27 13:42
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ThistleWeb	the multiple windows is awkward to work with	Oct 27 13:43
zer0c00l	schestowitz: karmic cola?	Oct 27 13:43
zer0c00l	ThistleWeb: yes	Oct 27 13:43
zer0c00l	ThistleWeb: how do you make it as single window!	Oct 27 13:43
ThistleWeb	I'm glad it's an option, for peeps to chose the older UI if they like	Oct 27 13:43
ThistleWeb	right now? there's gimpshop which I tried once and didnt get working	Oct 27 13:44
zer0c00l	lol	Oct 27 13:44
ThistleWeb	but the next version of gimp 2.8 has the single window by default	Oct 27 13:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microblogging daemonised by filtering companies http://ping.fm/Ep2Qz		Oct 27 13:44
phIRCe	Title: No, Twitter Use Is Not Costing Companies Billions \| Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.01 KB	Oct 27 13:45
ThistleWeb	to me, the single window looks much more approachable	Oct 27 13:45
zer0c00l	There are lot of drones here in BN these days; lol	Oct 27 13:45
ThistleWeb	it's long overdue in gimp	Oct 27 13:45
schestowitz	zer0c00l: no.	Oct 27 13:45
schestowitz	soda cola	Oct 27 13:45
zer0c00l	schestowitz: Why you are calling so?	Oct 27 13:45
zer0c00l	schestowitz: Dont like it?	Oct 27 13:45
zer0c00l	lol	Oct 27 13:45
schestowitz	You said:	Oct 27 13:46
schestowitz		Oct 27 13:46
schestowitz	[13:43] <zer0c00l> schestowitz: karmic cola?	Oct 27 13:46
oiaohm	plates system that is coming is far more important than the single ui for gimp.	Oct 27 13:46
zer0c00l	okok lol	Oct 27 13:46
schestowitz	!google coca cola brand value	Oct 27 13:46
phIRCe	[1] - Mission Statement & Vision: The Coca-Cola Company \| http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/ourcompany/mission_vision_values.html	Oct 27 13:46
phIRCe	[2] - Coca-Cola brand value tops $58.2 bn, claims report \| http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Financial-Industry/Coca-Cola-brand-value-tops-58.2-bn-claims-report	Oct 27 13:46
phIRCe	[3] - Best Global Brands 2006 \| http://www.interbrand.com/images/studies/BGB06Report_072706.pdf	Oct 27 13:46
phIRCe	[4] - Google \| GE \| Microsoft \| Coca-Cola \| China Mobile \| IBM \| Apple ... \| http://www.millwardbrown.com/Sites/optimor/Media/Pdfs/en/BrandZ/BrandZ-2008-Report.pdf	Oct 27 13:46
ThistleWeb	no idea what plates are in this context	Oct 27 13:46
schestowitz	There's also Ubuntu cola	Oct 27 13:47
oiaohm	plates gives gimp the way to do cymk and well past it. Each plate can be a ink in the printer.	Oct 27 13:47
ThistleWeb	ooooh	Oct 27 13:47
zer0c00l	schestowitz: Hear some somewhere	Oct 27 13:47
zer0c00l	s/hear/heared	Oct 27 13:47
ThistleWeb	I know they're doing grouped layers in gimp 2.8 too	Oct 27 13:47
zer0c00l	schestowitz: What is that?	Oct 27 13:47
schestowitz	killercoke.org	Oct 27 13:47
zer0c00l	schestowitz: what is ubuntu cola?	Oct 27 13:47
schestowitz	!google ubuntu cola	Oct 27 13:48
phIRCe	[1] - Fair Trade products \| Fair Trade goods \| Ubuntu Cola. \| http://www.ubuntu-trading.com/	Oct 27 13:48
phIRCe	[2] - Ubuntu Cola - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola	Oct 27 13:48
phIRCe	[3] - Ubuntu Cola \| http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Cola	Oct 27 13:48
phIRCe	[4] - Ubuntu Cola Makes Us Realize Our Carbonated Ignorance - Cola ... \| http://gizmodo.com/321250/ubuntu-cola-makes-us-realize-our-carbonated-ignorance	Oct 27 13:48
oiaohm	plates is named after printer press plates for obsouse reasons ThistleWeb	Oct 27 13:48
ThistleWeb	k	Oct 27 13:48
ThistleWeb	yeah I guessed it'd have some connection to printing somehow with the name, but never heard of it	Oct 27 13:48
oiaohm	Core of gimp will be rgba with a plates generation system to create cymk outputs and others.	Oct 27 13:48
zer0c00l	ThistleWeb: Why don't you mention nicknames of those people you are talking to?	Oct 27 13:49
ThistleWeb	zer0c00l: I sometimes do	Oct 27 13:50
ThistleWeb	sometimes don't	Oct 27 13:50
zer0c00l	ThistleWeb: Its like talking to yourself;	Oct 27 13:50
zer0c00l	lol	Oct 27 13:50
*ThistleWeb likes keeping ya on yer toes lol		Oct 27 13:50
oiaohm	Peter Sikking did video on it ThistleWeb I think 122 meatthegimp	Oct 27 13:51
zer0c00l	s/meatthegimp/meetthegimp	Oct 27 13:51
ThistleWeb	oiaohm: I did watch a "coming in 2.8" video from meetthegimp	Oct 27 13:51
oiaohm	Yes I have ThistleWeb	Oct 27 13:51
oiaohm	I have it downloaded.	Oct 27 13:52
ThistleWeb	thats where I found the single window and grouped layers thing	Oct 27 13:52
ThistleWeb	it's a good videocast	Oct 27 13:52
ThistleWeb	so is screencasters.heathenx.com for inkscape	Oct 27 13:53
oiaohm	Following Peter Sikking is always interesting. He is a great user interface designer.	Oct 27 13:53
ThistleWeb	wait, wasn;t it rolf who did the meetthegimp video>	Oct 27 13:54
oiaohm	http://meetthegimp.org/no-cymk-for-gimp-but-something-better-plates/	Oct 27 13:54
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oiaohm	That video ThistleWeb very interest watch. Peter Sikking takes the complex sections like cymk and works out how they should be done.	Oct 27 13:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT@santhoshtr How Proprietary JAWS Bites the Blind http://tr.im/DdF3 #accessibility		Oct 27 13:55
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ThistleWeb	I missed that one as I only subscribe to the videocast, not the blog	Oct 27 13:56
ThistleWeb	I'll watch that later when I;m more alert ty	Oct 27 13:56
ThistleWeb	colour talk is VERY technical	Oct 27 13:57
oiaohm	Just happen to be one of the most important videos of the year ThistleWeb	Oct 27 13:57
ThistleWeb	oiaohm: yeah like I said I get the videocast, and it didn't come through that channel so I missed it	Oct 27 13:57
oiaohm	It also is the video that lead to single windows gui design ThistleWeb	Oct 27 14:00
*ThistleWeb considers himself chastised lol		Oct 27 14:02
ThistleWeb	k, my nameserver has updated, so I got drupal to install bbl	Oct 27 14:02
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oiaohm	Its interesting watching him process threw the gui design suggests from the public..	Oct 27 14:03
zer0c00l	!google oiaohm	Oct 27 14:04
phIRCe	[1] - iTWire - Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! \| http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22130/1154/	Oct 27 14:04
phIRCe	[2] - Linux.com :: Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! \| http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/155138	Oct 27 14:04
phIRCe	[3] - oiaohm - InfoWorld \| http://www.infoworld.com/users/oiaohm	Oct 27 14:04
phIRCe	[4] - Ubuntu Forums - View Profile: oiaohm \| http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php%3Fu%3D5190	Oct 27 14:04
zer0c00l	lol	Oct 27 14:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @anivar: RT@santhoshtr How Proprietary JAWS Bites the Blind http://tr.im/DdF3 #accessibility		Oct 27 14:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @amachu: மழை வருதாம்... வடகிழக்கு பருவ மழை..		Oct 27 14:04
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oiaohm	Yes I have really strange google answers at times zer0c00l	Oct 27 14:04
oiaohm	Ubuntu Profile exists to stop Ubuntu from using wine stupidly.	Oct 27 14:05
zer0c00l	oiaohm: ok	Oct 27 14:05
zer0c00l	oiaohm: http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/155138	Oct 27 14:06
phIRCe	Title: Linux.com :: Linux Hater’s Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! .::. Size~: 24.59 KB	Oct 27 14:06
oiaohm	Something I did for fun zer0c00l	Oct 27 14:06
oiaohm	Rarely post to that blog.	Oct 27 14:06
zer0c00l	oiaohm: ok	Oct 27 14:06
oiaohm	Now the idea that I am only here is kinda wrong. I appear and disappear all over the place.	Oct 27 14:08
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/26/accused_nasa_spy_guilty_plea_overcharging/	Oct 27 14:18
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schestowitz	http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/26/no-accountability	Oct 27 14:20
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schestowitz	http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/323713	Oct 27 14:46
schestowitz	"Asustek Computer unveiled its first supercomputer on Monday, the desktop computer-sized ESC 1000, which uses Nvidia graphics processors to attain speeds up to 1.1 teraflops."	Oct 27 14:46
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schestowitz	Soldier's mother wants Tony Blair to answer for Iraq war http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/23/military-defence	Oct 27 14:50
schestowitz	Rebel British soldier calls for Afghan exit http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/25/rebel-soldier-wants-afghan-exit	Oct 27 14:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Researchers fear coral reefs won't survive next 50 years, so cryogenic plans are laid to rebuild them" http://ping.fm/XNUiL		Oct 27 14:52
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schestowitz	http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/security/features/article.php/3845571	Oct 27 15:12
schestowitz	http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/concurrent-reports-fiscal-2010-first-quarter-results,1015416.shtml " the availability of Linux software in light of issues raised by SCO Group"	Oct 27 15:25
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schestowitz	Why do they even mention this>?	Oct 27 15:25
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] @sagarun is having good time chatting with @abbe in #emacs-in ;		Oct 27 15:29
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schestowitz	bbl	Oct 27 15:31
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wallc	Roy, and email with plex0 2846 pdf, as text, has been sent to you.	Oct 27 16:04
wallc	an	Oct 27 16:04
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zer0c00l	wallc: he is away	Oct 27 16:04
wallc	Ok - Must run now...but I'll check in again after lunch :)	Oct 27 16:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @warrenellis This guy could seriously use some legal help and attention from the press: http://bit.ly/1qscyG (please forward)		Oct 27 16:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] As staff use Linux, they didn't notice the Windows scareware http://tinyurl.com/ylnxl4u		Oct 27 16:47
Omar87	Hi all.	Oct 27 16:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Ahahahahahahahaha. http://bit.ly/3uQm38 #scientology #fail		Oct 27 17:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wiki_nihiltres A #Wikipedia Jack-o-lantern by @abbydrumm :D http://twitpic.com/n3dvt http://twitpic.com/n3dxz http://twitpic.com/n3dzm		Oct 27 17:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/1JT8UX Really clumsily written copy makes it sound like Linux at fault because Windows gets infected by malware.		Oct 27 18:00
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schestowitz	jono: you're having your leg pulled around min10 here: http://cdn3.libsyn.com/linuxoutlaws/linuxoutlaws116.ogg?nvb=20091027175010&nva=20091028180010&t=01fa65a64c07465cbcbe9	Oct 27 18:12
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phIRCe-local	Hello World!	Oct 27 18:24
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schestowitz	Hey	Oct 27 18:27
schestowitz	Coincidence	Oct 27 18:27
schestowitz	I mailed you exactly 10 secs ago	Oct 27 18:27
schestowitz	Heh -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/gizmodo_suckerpunched_by_malware_hackers/	Oct 27 18:29
phIRCe-local	Title: Gizmodo says sorry for malware suckerpunch • The Register .::. Size~: 27.56 KB	Oct 27 18:29
schestowitz	http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/27/tiga_gtr/	Oct 27 18:33
phIRCe-local	Title: Games developers demand tax breaks • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 21.79 KB	Oct 27 18:33
wallc	will go read now...	Oct 27 18:34
schestowitz	New site: http://www.banksterusa.org/	Oct 27 18:35
phIRCe-local	Title: Real Economy Project .::. Size~: 27.67 KB	Oct 27 18:35
schestowitz	wallc: not many posts today	Oct 27 18:35
schestowitz	But mostly good news. Lots pro-Linux	Oct 27 18:35
*schestowitz always amused by how the trolls say Windows <next version> will kill kill kill Linux		Oct 27 18:36
schestowitz	http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/guest_post_windows_7_doesnt_change_the_fact_that_linux_is_the_future.html	Oct 27 18:36
phIRCe-local	Title: Guest Post: Linux is the future, even after Windows 7 release .::. Size~: 53.93 KB	Oct 27 18:36
schestowitz	Microsoft employee who quit: "Many of the benefits of Linux are subtle. It doesn't come with any nagware. The default media player supports both many formats including QuickTime and Windows media. Likewise, the instant messaging program supports 16 different protocols. The GUI is more customizable. But the best feature of Linux is something that neither Windows nor the Macintosh have: a rich set of free applications, installable	Oct 27 18:36
schestowitz	with one click..."	Oct 27 18:36
schestowitz	He says his employer, Microsoft, is doomed	Oct 27 18:37
schestowitz	Not because of Apple	Oct 27 18:37
schestowitz	"THE EUROPEAN Commission’s scrutiny of Oracle’s proposed acquisition of Sun Micrososystems – already approved by the US – hangs on European concerns about what might happen to the open source MySQL database application Sun owns."	Oct 27 18:38
schestowitz	http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/1023/1224257277053.html	Oct 27 18:38
phIRCe-local	Title: Oracle fails to speak - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 23, 2009 .::. Size~: 45.24 KB	Oct 27 18:38
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cubezzz	yeah windows isn't going to kill Linux	Oct 27 18:39
cubezzz	simple reason, programmers like source code	Oct 27 18:39
cubezzz	schestowitz, do you know the name of this Microsoft employee?	Oct 27 18:40
schestowitz	He mailed me before	Oct 27 18:41
schestowitz	regarding his book	Oct 27 18:41
schestowitz	he's s developer, not a suit like BillG	Oct 27 18:42
Diablo-D3	who?	Oct 27 18:42
schestowitz	I sometimes wonder he Paul Allen and Woz quit cause their companies were not about development and they were the developers...	Oct 27 18:42
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: curtis	Oct 27 18:43
schestowitz	""Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." --Microsoft exec http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm	Oct 27 18:43
Diablo-D3	which curtis?	Oct 27 18:43
phIRCe-local	Title: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 115.15 KB	Oct 27 18:43
cubezzz	it's true	Oct 27 18:43
Diablo-D3	theres several people with curtis as a first and last name	Oct 27 18:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it's entirely commercial, but it still gave some lulz http://is.gd/4EEcO		Oct 27 18:43
phIRCe-local	Title: KFC's Colonel Sanders tricks his way into UN to pose for 'official' photo - Telegraph .::. Size~: 55.99 KB	Oct 27 18:43
cubezzz	The original Microsoft BASIC itself, out of a dumpster of another company	Oct 27 18:44
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: David too	Oct 27 18:44
schestowitz	Or Davids and Davidson	Oct 27 18:45
Diablo-D3	wait, there was a FOSS joke about this	Oct 27 18:45
cubezzz	Altair BASIC	Oct 27 18:45
schestowitz	GNU GNU GNU ...is not UNIX?	Oct 27 18:45
cubezzz	"the PDP-10 time used to run 8080 simulators. Used to write that initial Basic	Oct 27 18:46
cubezzz	interpreter ... stolen."	Oct 27 18:46
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: yes	Oct 27 18:46
cubezzz	so right from the very beginning...	Oct 27 18:46
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html	Oct 27 18:46
phIRCe-local	Title: Why I hate Microsoft .::. Size~: 4.08 KB	Oct 27 18:46
cubezzz	in a way the internet itself is going to defeat Microsoft	Oct 27 18:47
Diablo-D3	the internet wont defeat it	Oct 27 18:48
Diablo-D3	it will simply route around it	Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	Eeeek. http://www.miranda-im.org/download/	Oct 27 18:48
phIRCe-local	Title: Miranda IM - Download .::. Size~: 8.84 KB	Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	GPL WIndows-only	Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	Meh.	Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	http://www.miranda-im.org/download/	Oct 27 18:48
phIRCe-local	Title: Miranda IM - Download .::. Size~: 8.84 KB	Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	No wonder I never heard of it	Oct 27 18:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Seca...		Oct 27 18:48
schestowitz	They should port to other platforms for wider acceptance	Oct 27 18:49
cubezzz	does Van Wensveen come here?	Oct 27 18:49
schestowitz	Nope	Oct 27 18:49
schestowitz	He was on COLA (USENET) for a long time	Oct 27 18:49
cubezzz	ok, just curious	Oct 27 18:49
schestowitz	That's where I know him from	Oct 27 18:49
cubezzz	nobody seems to remember that little PDP-10 trick BillG did, but I guess it's ancient history now	Oct 27 18:50
wallc	Roy: "But mostly good news. Lots pro-Linux" - That's nice to know. Things have seemed pretty discouraging lately.	Oct 27 18:50
cubezzz	I've been looking at Fedora 11, and it's a mostly positive experience	Oct 27 18:51
cubezzz	lots of new educational programs for young ones	Oct 27 18:51
schestowitz	wallc: in what sense?	Oct 27 18:53
schestowitz	Vista 7 marketing?	Oct 27 18:54
schestowitz	cubezzz: I think kde 4.4 is out around January, just after F12	Oct 27 18:54
cubezzz	it's the main stream media's fault, all this windows 7 on the news	Oct 27 18:54
cubezzz	Walter Cronkite would _not_ approve :)	Oct 27 18:54
schestowitz	Maybe Fedora will move to kde now with the licensing and all....	Oct 27 18:54
schestowitz	cubezzz: was the same with Vista....	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	It means nothing.	Oct 27 18:55
cubezzz	in fact, I can remember when the news didn't have ads inside it	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	People don't buy new PCs....	Oct 27 18:55
wallc	Well, I spent some time this week on the Ubuntu forums and the Windows 7 people were rather noisy.	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	wallc: it's the Release Zoo(R)	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	They do it in USENET newsgroups too	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	"buzz marketing'	Oct 27 18:55
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wallc	as in, Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my?	Oct 27 18:55
schestowitz	No	Oct 27 18:56
schestowitz	Off-topicking	Oct 27 18:56
schestowitz	Distract people away from Ubuntu in their own back yard	Oct 27 18:56
schestowitz	!google microsoft crashes ps3 parties	Oct 27 18:56
phIRCe-local	[1] - Sony Crashes Microsoft's Netflix Party: The PS3 Gets Streaming ... \| http://paidcontent.org/article/419-sony-crashes-microsofts-netflix-party-the-ps3-gets-streaming-too/	Oct 27 18:56
phIRCe-local	[2] - Microsoft Crash PS3 Launch Party In France - Gameworld Network ... \| http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/11831/Microsoft_Crash_PS3_Launch_Party_In_France.html	Oct 27 18:56
phIRCe-local	[3] - YouTube - Playstation 3 shows up at launch. \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6TibCr6ktcs	Oct 27 18:56
phIRCe-local	[4] - MicroMiel » Blog Archive » XBox 360 Crashes PS3 Party \| http://micromiel.com/2007/03/24/xbox-360-crashes-ps3-party/	Oct 27 18:56
wallc	I know, I had a couple of conversations (if you could call it that) with some of them, they pretty much make a person feel overwhelmed	Oct 27 18:57
cubezzz	Baum would not approve :)	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	The best thing to do is ignore and praise GNU/Linux	Oct 27 18:57
cubezzz	anyway Baum is pre-computer :)	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	That's what I do mostly	Oct 27 18:57
wallc	I think they do that to (maybe?) discourage the new users.	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	The rest can be spent unspinning	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	wallc: yes	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	There's a big release coming up	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	9.10	Oct 27 18:57
schestowitz	wallc: it's not just you	Oct 27 18:58
schestowitz	I got mail about it from others	Oct 27 18:58
schestowitz	Ubuntu Forums 0wn3d	Oct 27 18:58
schestowitz	At least the "Mono boosters" I was told about have quieted down	Oct 27 18:58
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schestowitz	And 9.10 has no banshee	Oct 27 18:58
wallc	One of the reasons I was there was to look some things up for other people, I never send my friends to the Ubu-forums anymore, I just look things up for them.	Oct 27 18:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The Free Technology Academy (FTA) launched and offering courses on #FOSS and #openstandards onhttp://www.ftacademy.org/announce/2		Oct 27 18:58
phIRCe-local	Title: FTA - FTA Announcement #2: Website and course descriptions published \| FTA - Free Technology Academy .::. Size~: 9.21 KB	Oct 27 18:58
schestowitz	mepis forums are good, I hear.	Oct 27 18:59
schestowitz	But need reg	Oct 27 18:59
wallc	I'm hoping things will change soon, I used to enjoy the Ubu-forums	Oct 27 18:59
wallc	I never had much luck with mepis.	Oct 27 18:59
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wallc	Anyway, the Windows 7 cheerleading seemed a little sad to me.	Oct 27 19:00
wallc	discouraging	Oct 27 19:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is a good example of misuse of the open source label (it's not an API) http://ping.fm/5HduG		Oct 27 19:00
phIRCe-local	Title: Is open source the answer? .::. Size~: 54.47 KB	Oct 27 19:00
schestowitz	This is the only posts I've found about V7 parties: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/why_was_the_ope.html;jsessionid=2UUW2P50TB4GRQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVN	Oct 27 19:01
cubezzz	"Allchin's revelations came as no great surprise. Part of the source code to Windows 2000 had been leaked onto the Internet before, and pretty it was not."	Oct 27 19:01
phIRCe-local	Title: Why Was The Open Source Guy At The Windows 7 Party? - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 86.43 KB	Oct 27 19:01
schestowitz	wallc: that's the intent	Oct 27 19:01
schestowitz	Demoralisation	Oct 27 19:01
schestowitz	THis was done before when Wal-mart did their thing	Oct 27 19:01
schestowitz	And with sub-notebooks	Oct 27 19:01
schestowitz	The Slog: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf	Oct 27 19:02
phIRCe-local	Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 27 19:02
schestowitz	""Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry."	Oct 27 19:02
cubezzz	Meritocracy ftw	Oct 27 19:02
schestowitz	"We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors' technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time.""	Oct 27 19:02
wallc	I know, it doesn't discourage me from using the software I use, but I hate thinking about other people (like my family and friends) being subjected to the Win7 garbage	Oct 27 19:02
schestowitz	Ubuntu should watch out for AstroTurf	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	They are a prime target for those	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	Microsoft would target the place (audience) that considers defecting away from win32	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	They don't need to do this in WIndows site	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	I.e. preaching to the choir	Oct 27 19:03
cubezzz	my family is way too cheap to spring for win7, plus their computers are too old	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	"I'd put the Linux phenomenon really as threat No. 1." Steve Ballmer, 2001	Oct 27 19:04
wallc	I know enough to spot the "spin", but if one doesn't look too close) sometimes the junk they post can make sense to newbies	Oct 27 19:04
schestowitz	There are already fake reviews	Oct 27 19:04
schestowitz	Like the ones Belkin paid for	Oct 27 19:04
schestowitz	THere are agencies that break the law like this	Oct 27 19:04
wallc	or at least make newbies doubt what they've heard otherwise.	Oct 27 19:04
schestowitz	And I heard that VIsta 7 fake reviews are posted massively, just as many were posted about VIsts	Oct 27 19:05
schestowitz	Vista got excellent fake reviews in first few months......	Oct 27 19:05
wallc	I did have to laugh a few times when I got called a "fanboy"...lol	Oct 27 19:05
schestowitz	!google belkin astroturf	Oct 27 19:05
phIRCe-local	[1] - Belkin, Astroturfing and Fully Owning Your Mistakes \| http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/archives/2009/01/belkin-astroturfing-and-fully-owning-your-mistakes.html	Oct 27 19:05
phIRCe-local	[2] - LXer: Caught Astroturfing: Bad Belkin Bayard Business.. \| http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/114965/index.html	Oct 27 19:05
phIRCe-local	[3] - Belkin paying 65 cents for good reviews on NewEgg and Amazon? \| http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/17/belkin-paying-65-cents-for-good-reviews-on-newegg-and-amazon/	Oct 27 19:05
phIRCe-local	[4] - The Daily Background » Exclusive: Belkin's Development Rep is ... \| http://www.thedailybackground.com/2009/01/16/exclusive-belkins-development-rep-is-hiring-people-to-write-fake-positive-amazon-reviews/	Oct 27 19:05
cubezzz	"CompanyX recommends WIndows 7"	Oct 27 19:05
cubezzz	has that started yet? :)	Oct 27 19:05
schestowitz	"Fanboy" is used by Microsoft people	Oct 27 19:05
wallc	And I DO believe they are protesting too much about Win 7 being "different" from Vista	Oct 27 19:05
schestowitz	We rarely talk of "Windows fanboys"	Oct 27 19:06
schestowitz	Cause it's their term	Oct 27 19:06
cubezzz	uh	Oct 27 19:06
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes it did	Oct 27 19:06
schestowitz	All fake	Oct 27 19:06
cubezzz	yeah we talk about Astro-turfers instead :)	Oct 27 19:06
schestowitz	“<vendor> recommends Windows” is an paid-for advert, not a recommendation http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/	Oct 27 19:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "awww!" story of the day http://is.gd/4EFWD		Oct 27 19:07
phIRCe-local	Title: Leaked: Microsoft Pays Companies to Recommend Windows \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 218.02 KB	Oct 27 19:07
phIRCe-local	Title: Baby born on London bus named Dennis after manufacturer - Telegraph .::. Size~: 50.82 KB	Oct 27 19:08
wallc	argh...phone's ringing, and work is looming large here...lunch time is over (apparently) :)	Oct 27 19:11
wallc	back later...	Oct 27 19:11
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cubezzz	Just once I like to see "CompanyX recommends Linux"	Oct 27 19:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard if he was born on a plane he'd be called AIrbus		Oct 27 19:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] ahahahahahahahaha #nickgriffin http://is.gd/4EGln		Oct 27 19:12
phIRCe-local	Title: BNP 'in plot to get rid of Griffin' \| News .::. Size~: 59.72 KB	Oct 27 19:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PortableApps used to be about Free software, but now they do proprietary... http://ping.fm/u9765		Oct 27 19:13
phIRCe-local	Title: PortableApps adds Chrome and Skype \| Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 95.31 KB	Oct 27 19:13
schestowitz	cubezzz: why would they recommend anything?	Oct 27 19:14
schestowitz	Like with doctors... kickbacks	Oct 27 19:14
cubezzz	you have a good point	Oct 27 19:15
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schestowitz	_goblin: http://is.gd/4EGln	Oct 27 19:16
phIRCe-local	Title: BNP 'in plot to get rid of Griffin' \| News .::. Size~: 59.72 KB	Oct 27 19:16
schestowitz	Just posted by David	Oct 27 19:16
_goblin	hi roy,	Oct 27 19:17
cubezzz	no one pays me money to recommend Linux but I still do :)	Oct 27 19:17
_goblin	I was fuming at Nick Griffin being on TV....what a disgusting man.	Oct 27 19:18
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schestowitz	_goblin: I'd have to view it..	Oct 27 19:18
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schestowitz	Let me fire up YT	Oct 27 19:18
_goblin	Mr Griffin makes me embarassed to be a white British male.	Oct 27 19:19
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ykYkhIlrmk	Oct 27 19:19
phIRCe-local	Title: YouTube - Nick Griffin BBC Question Time 22nd October 2009 .::. Size~: 139.09 KB	Oct 27 19:19
schestowitz	Here's the actual thing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKfrY9l2kY&feature=PlayList&p=D8FCDFA8BB586E20&index=0&playnext=1	Oct 27 19:21
phIRCe-local	Title: YouTube - BNP Nick Griffin on BBC Question Time Part 1 .::. Size~: 155.47 KB	Oct 27 19:21
cubezzz	ah, I see Sheevaplugs on ebay	Oct 27 19:22
schestowitz	They go for about a tenner at wal-mart, don't they?	Oct 27 19:24
schestowitz	Who's hungry? Got some FUUD :-) http://www.ddj.com/linux-open-source/220800130	Oct 27 19:25
phIRCe-local	Title: Dr. Dobb's \| Beware Open Source Encryption \| October 24, 2009 .::. Size~: 77.23 KB	Oct 27 19:25
Diablo-D3	so this is nice	Oct 27 19:25
Diablo-D3	I now have 75% of a script	Oct 27 19:25
Diablo-D3	that syncs backgrounds across desktops	Oct 27 19:25
_goblin	Lefty has commented on my blog	Oct 27 19:27
_goblin	and linked to BN in his handle	Oct 27 19:27
schestowitz	Don't feed that bunch	Oct 27 19:27
schestowitz	Just don't give them any attention	Oct 27 19:27
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_goblin	I think this is where you and I disagree Roy....I believe they should be challenged and exposed.	Oct 27 19:27
schestowitz	It would distract us and encourage them to troll	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	Them=David+nym	Oct 27 19:28
_goblin	since they base their arguments off abuse/censorship and FUD, they can't argue back....they get exposed like Nick Griffin did!	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	ANd some Novell/Mono folks who look for anti-BN vanom	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	It's like linsuc	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	*linsux	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	_goblin: it's not good use of energy	Oct 27 19:29
schestowitz	It's better to look at the issues	Oct 27 19:29
schestowitz	Linsux et al are juvenile	Oct 27 19:30
schestowitz	Personal attack and libel... like saying I was hospitalised and stuff (lies)	Oct 27 19:30
schestowitz	We need to look at Linux, Microsoft, Novell, that sort of stuff	Oct 27 19:30
schestowitz	Not people, not events as much	Oct 27 19:30
schestowitz	ideas rather	Oct 27 19:30
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iuRIVBTLUvW7823FC-fcfhvkSxHgD9BHLF180	Oct 27 19:31
phIRCe-local	Title: The Associated Press: White House opens Web site programming to public .::. Size~: 10.46 KB	Oct 27 19:31
schestowitz	Hehe. WEIRD headline: http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=179245	Oct 27 19:32
phIRCe-local	Title: 9&10 News: Priest killing arrest...Missouri murder charge...Open-source code .::. Size~: 28.65 KB	Oct 27 19:32
_goblin	schestowitz: I just think that maybe a non-defence is worse in that it allows inference to be drawn by the trolls....	Oct 27 19:32
schestowitz	I've been trolled for years. I learned that it's better not to even read, let alone respond	Oct 27 19:33
Diablo-D3	to internet is to troll, no?	Oct 27 19:33
schestowitz	I don't know what they're up to. I killfile and keep happy writing about the issues	Oct 27 19:33
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: to troll is to step in someone else's Turf to abuse	Oct 27 19:34
schestowitz	To express an opinion is not, assuming it's done without interfering	Oct 27 19:34
schestowitz	I don't comment in Novell/mOno blogs	Oct 27 19:34
schestowitz	I practice freedom of speech in a place where people know in advance that Novell is criticised	Oct 27 19:35
schestowitz	That's not trolling, no more that the labour Web site is 'trolling' the Tories	Oct 27 19:35
schestowitz	/that/than/	Oct 27 19:35
phIRCe-local	That's not trolling, no more that the labour Web site is 'trolling' the Tories	Oct 27 19:36
phIRCe-local	/that/than/	Oct 27 19:36
schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/open-source	Oct 27 19:37
phIRCe-local	Title: Nations First Open Source Election Software Released \| Threat Level \| Wired.com .::. Size~: 77.31 KB	Oct 27 19:37
schestowitz	Lots of good news out there about Drupal in the White House	Oct 27 19:37
schestowitz	Hmmmm... trmanco, bug in phIRCe-local	Oct 27 19:37
schestowitz	/that/than/	Oct 27 19:37
trmanco	don't know why	Oct 27 19:38
schestowitz	Can't reproduce the bug	Oct 27 19:38
*schestowitz looks at log file		Oct 27 19:38
trmanco	there isn't nothing there	Oct 27 19:38
schestowitz	I like the module part	Oct 27 19:40
schestowitz	Maybe you'll get 10,000 community modules for it one day	Oct 27 19:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i can't see this happening until sydney actually sinks http://is.gd/4EIqY		Oct 27 19:40
phIRCe-local	Title: Australians could be banned from living on the coast - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.71 KB	Oct 27 19:40
schestowitz	If irc becomes a wave killlllah!	Oct 27 19:41
trmanco	lol	Oct 27 19:41
trmanco	10 000 uh	Oct 27 19:41
schestowitz	WordPress has like 6000 IIRC	Oct 27 19:42
schestowitz	IRC-Nuke	Oct 27 19:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard i can't see this happening until sydney actually sinks http://is.gd/4EIqY		Oct 27 19:42
phIRCe-local	Title: Australians could be banned from living on the coast - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.71 KB	Oct 27 19:42
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Native-C-port-of-Tor-for-Android-Update-838967.html	Oct 27 19:52
phIRCe-local	Title: Native C port of Tor for Android - Update - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.35 KB	Oct 27 19:52
schestowitz	http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/portableapps_ad.html;jsessionid=J3DGX5UDI4ONVQE1GHOSKHWATMY32JVN	Oct 27 19:55
phIRCe-local	Title: PortableApps Adds Non-Open Source Apps, Sort Of - Open Source Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 81.54 KB	Oct 27 19:55
schestowitz	http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,26262921-24169,00.html open-source as "user feedback"	Oct 27 20:02
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schestowitz	Ignorance "Microsoft packages still power 90% of the world's computers " http://www.lovemoney.com/news/manage-your-finances/run-your-pc-for-free-4093.aspx	Oct 27 20:07
schestowitz	What is Microsoft packages and since when are only desktops "computers"?	Oct 27 20:08
schestowitz	Mytha again	Oct 27 20:08
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Truth about #Bush http://ur1.ca/ekq4		Oct 27 20:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft #Windows #Vista #Fail http://ur1.ca/ekqj		Oct 27 20:09
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_goblin	o2 has been rather dodgy this week...dns connection errors...	Oct 27 20:22
schestowitz	Back to the future: The power of open source - " In a new business TV show available to watch for free, Bob Young explains open source and how it relates to business." http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/33677-Back-to-the-future:-The-power-of-open-source	Oct 27 20:23
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schestowitz	_goblin: try opendns	Oct 27 20:24
_goblin	yeah I keep meaning to....	Oct 27 20:24
_goblin	been trying to watch Stargate Universe and come back to connection probs........SG Universe is godawful.;.	Oct 27 20:24
_goblin	its got the "shakey cameraman syndrome" ruins the show for me.	Oct 27 20:25
schestowitz	http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/10/27/ico-reveals-356-breaches-last-year/1	Oct 27 20:27
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schestowitz	_goblin: what distro are you on atm?	Oct 27 20:27
schestowitz	crb? wolvix?	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	Cause setting up opendns is simple	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	Just enter the other IP addresses	Oct 27 20:28
_goblin	Wolvix on main rig.......Chakra on distro hop machine ......Mandriva is on a few of my other PC's and a custom Ubuntu 8.04	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	208.67.222.222	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	208.67.220.220	Oct 27 20:28
_goblin	cheers..	Oct 27 20:28
_goblin	Ill give a go.	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	That ought to do as DNS servers	Oct 27 20:29
_goblin	cheers and as if by magic!!! back to normality!	Oct 27 20:31
_goblin	Ive been meaning to do that for a while....	Oct 27 20:33
schestowitz	I did too take months to do it	Oct 27 20:42
schestowitz	Procrastination, hoping things would sort themselves out	Oct 27 20:42
schestowitz	v	Oct 27 20:43
schestowitz	http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/10/26/Shonen-Knife	Oct 27 20:43
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schestowitz	Vegetarian diet is better for the planet, says Lord Stern http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/26/palm-oil-initiative-carbon-emissions Hmmmmmmmmm....	Oct 27 20:47
schestowitz	Radovan Karadzic boycotts opening of war crimes trial http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/26/radovan-karadzic-war-crimes-trial	Oct 27 20:48
_goblin	Amazing how easy it was to do in all the distro's.........	Oct 27 20:55
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5129&tag=col1;post-5129	Oct 27 20:55
schestowitz	_goblin: WOT?????????? No command line?	Oct 27 20:56
_goblin	lol...I did 7 machines in 3mins	Oct 27 21:04
_goblin	no cli	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	7??	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	Yikes	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	You have 7?	Oct 27 21:04
_goblin	yeah I have 7 machines around the house	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	Did you set up a party too?	Oct 27 21:04
_goblin	lol	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	VIsta 7	Oct 27 21:04
_goblin	nobody came....they thought I was promoting windows	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	How about a Boycott Novell Party (BNP)? :-p	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	_goblin: oh, they sent you a pack?	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 27 21:04
_goblin	flogged it on Ebay....	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	Haha.	Oct 27 21:05
_goblin	got £4 for it	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	Like many others	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	_goblin: right price	Oct 27 21:05
_goblin	I would have got more but Ballmer had signed it which reduced the price.	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 27 21:05
MinceR	:)	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	You could get 7 quid for it	Oct 27 21:06
_goblin	On a serious note, I have a scan of ballmer sig.....Im thinking of using it for the new OB....."I support Openbytes" signed Steve Ballmer.	Oct 27 21:06
_goblin	on the OB logo	Oct 27 21:06
schestowitz	Here is the SCO party; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3bpCh4kTk	Oct 27 21:07
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schestowitz	Watch what they do to their 'packs'	Oct 27 21:07
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhtjCWwSqmU&NR=1	Oct 27 21:07
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_goblin	only 3seconds?	Oct 27 21:08
schestowitz	I can't find the full thing now	Oct 27 21:09
schestowitz	They burned the packs	Oct 27 21:09
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbU5419NBg8	Oct 27 21:09
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schestowitz	SCO used to not be anti-Linux	Oct 27 21:09
schestowitz	They were like Sun to Linux	Oct 27 21:09
schestowitz	Then came McChubby	Oct 27 21:09
cubezzz	right, I remember that	Oct 27 21:11
cubezzz	SCO Unix System V, but that was a different SCO	Oct 27 21:11
cubezzz	they were pretty helpful too, their tech support	Oct 27 21:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WhiteHouse Dumps #Microsoft #Windows for #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/NlO4Y http://ping.fm/QFFYi		Oct 27 21:11
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_goblin	a little offensive but a great video echoing public feeling about Microsoft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3XdOl5YtLg&feature=PlayList&p=5EBFDCCAD17047B2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21	Oct 27 21:11
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_goblin	a better one: http://tinyurl.com/yfdgh8u (less offensive)	Oct 27 21:14
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schestowitz	_goblin: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/advertising_search/microsoft_dumps_family_guy.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535	Oct 27 21:15
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schestowitz	Microsoft Nick	Oct 27 21:15
_goblin	yeah I saw that.....	Oct 27 21:15
schestowitz	Not Joe	Oct 27 21:15
_goblin	that had no choice...	Oct 27 21:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Acho que vou apanhar um overdose de bolachas e leite...		Oct 27 21:15
schestowitz	_goblin: based on E-mails, Ballmer is not the most aggressive	Oct 27 21:16
schestowitz	He's just the crazy one	Oct 27 21:16
schestowitz	It's people like Gates and Silverberg who should be put on trial, for personal actions, not the company's	Oct 27 21:16
_goblin	I get the feeling he is a real nasty piece of work behind closed doors.	Oct 27 21:17
_goblin	he's the chemical ali of the operation....IMO	Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz	_goblin: let me find you s/t	Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz	!google ballmer youtube i'm a pc	Oct 27 21:17
phIRCe-local	[1] - YouTube - Steve Ballmer I'm a PC Microsoft AD \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlVMy0PFr8no	Oct 27 21:17
phIRCe-local	[2] - Ballmer: "The Internet Was Designed For The PC. The Internet Is ... \| http://macblips.dailyradar.com/story/ballmer-the-internet-was-designed-for-the-pc-the/	Oct 27 21:17
phIRCe-local	[3] - Steve Ballmer Goes Nuts (Again) To Sell Windows \| http://digg.com/microsoft/Steve_Ballmer_Goes_Nuts_Again_To_Sell_Windows	Oct 27 21:17
phIRCe-local	[4] - Remarks by Steve Ballmer, CEO on Microsoft Windows 7 Launch New ... \| http://www.rushprnews.com/2009/10/22/remarks-by-steve-ballmer-ceo-of-microsoft-windows-7-launch-new-york-oct-22-20	Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz	He's MAD!	Oct 27 21:17
cubezzz	Gates is nasty	Oct 27 21:18
cubezzz	so is Ballmer	Oct 27 21:18
schestowitz	Gates at least smiles	Oct 27 21:18
cubezzz	they were even nasty towards each other	Oct 27 21:18
schestowitz	Just to the cameras though	Oct 27 21:18
schestowitz	The cameras that he thinks reach the public, not the other ones	Oct 27 21:18
schestowitz	!google youtube gates deposition greatest hits	Oct 27 21:18
phIRCe-local	[1] - YouTube - Gates Deposition Greatest Hits \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DeKcPx2jD5to	Oct 27 21:18
phIRCe-local	[2] - YouTube: Bill Gates \| http://www.dipity.com/timetube/YouTube_Bill_Gates	Oct 27 21:18
phIRCe-local	[3] - Incorrect Pleasures \| http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/	Oct 27 21:18
phIRCe-local	[4] - Silobreaker: Google: YouTube to be profitable soon \| http://www.silobreaker.com/google-youtube-to-be-profitable-soon-5_2262671892034879496	Oct 27 21:18
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes, but...	Oct 27 21:19
_goblin	Beaten by personal record.....1100 unique ip's in the space of 4 hours.	Oct 27 21:19
_goblin	*my	Oct 27 21:19
schestowitz	Prisoner of Redmond: Yet Another Way Paul Allen Isn t Like You or Me	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	\| During one of those last long nights working to deliver DOS 2.0 in early	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	\| 1983, I am told that Paul Allen heard Gates and Ballmer discussing his health	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	\| and talking about how to get his Microsoft shares back if Allen were to die.	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	`----	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pulpit_20060330_000890.html	Oct 27 21:20
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schestowitz	_goblin: the review?	Oct 27 21:20
_goblin	yeah	Oct 27 21:21
cubezzz	I wonder how Gates and Allen get along	Oct 27 21:22
schestowitz	_goblin: good, who links to it?	Oct 27 21:22
schestowitz	cubezzz: I doubt they talk much	Oct 27 21:22
_goblin	tuxmachines and distrowatch	Oct 27 21:22
schestowitz	Ellison and Gates don't talk	Oct 27 21:22
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssX4RL24HT4	Oct 27 21:23
cubezzz	somehow I don't think Gates has many friends	Oct 27 21:23
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schestowitz	cubezzz: he has Warren	Oct 27 21:23
schestowitz	Just the rich elites	Oct 27 21:23
schestowitz	Bilderfriends :-)	Oct 27 21:23
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schestowitz	The Kisssinger secret group :-)	Oct 27 21:23
schestowitz	BIllG:	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	"	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	People I know (a rich group I admit) are getting ipods with thousands of songs on them.	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	Herb Allen has given dozens of his friends I pods with thousands of songs (he bought them).	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	Warren Buffett just loves the thing.	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	"	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	From http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/31/bill-gates-wants-patented-stuff/	Oct 27 21:24
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schestowitz	What's the story with French BTW?	Oct 27 21:25
_goblin	theres got to be something wrong, My youngest is on my lap and settling down to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGywo81G6lk	Oct 27 21:25
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schestowitz	It this a typical middle name?	Oct 27 21:25
cubezzz	when Gates went on WNED and talked about education and didn't even mention Wikipedia I was extremely disappointed	Oct 27 21:25
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 27 21:26
schestowitz	Winntroll	Oct 27 21:26
_goblin	lol	Oct 27 21:26
schestowitz	Gary Stewart and "Hadrron" have a euniion	Oct 27 21:26
schestowitz	*reunion	Oct 27 21:26
schestowitz	cubezzz: I saw this 20 mins ago	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbgrCIW2skw4GNHrYBvgFyMoXVVwD9BI5SK00	Oct 27 21:27
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schestowitz	"	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	THE INFLUENCE GAME: Bill Gates sways govt dollars	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	The real secretary of education, the joke goes, is Bill Gates.	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has been the biggest player by far in the school reform movement, spending around $200 million a year on grants to elementary and secondary education.	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	"	Oct 27 21:27
cubezzz	US senators are always kissing Gates' butt	Oct 27 21:27
cubezzz	"What should we do Mr Gates?"	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	Gates is in the business of lobbying and governance at the moment. He can better advance Microsoft this way.	Oct 27 21:27
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes, also on economics	Oct 27 21:28
schestowitz	They don't ask professors	Oct 27 21:28
schestowitz	But they know where kickbacks come from	Oct 27 21:28
cubezzz	not very encouraging	Oct 27 21:28
schestowitz	I've begun watching more closely his globalisation-with-patents-crusade	Oct 27 21:28
schestowitz	The guy began coming from a family that does such stuff	Oct 27 21:29
schestowitz	As an accountant -- not a programmer -- using his friends to gain power by taking other people's ideas and then breaking laws to spread them	Oct 27 21:29
schestowitz	That's all history	Oct 27 21:29
schestowitz	THey are busy rewriting it now	Oct 27 21:29
schestowitz	http://blog.kapor.com/	Oct 27 21:30
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schestowitz	He complained about MSBBC revisionism	Oct 27 21:30
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7464074.stm	Oct 27 21:30
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schestowitz	LOL	Oct 27 21:30
schestowitz	There's a real crisis on democracy in the US and the UK is affected too	Oct 27 21:31
schestowitz	The country is run by monopolist/raiders	Oct 27 21:31
cubezzz	it seems that way	Oct 27 21:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT: LinuxPower Can Ubuntu Become the Default Alternative to Windows?: InternetNews: "With more than 8 million users..." http://bit.ly/3whD4l		Oct 27 21:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Powermetal "Never-ending Story" by Dragonland ---Great stuff: http://tinyurl.com/yl6wpwr #metal		Oct 27 21:37
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cubezzz	I think it's important to remember that even though a lot of bad things are happening, things today are much better than in the 80's	Oct 27 21:38
cubezzz	in the late 80's a complete SCO Unix System V with compiler tools cost about $1000	Oct 27 21:39
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cubezzz	I think I'm going to switch computers	Oct 27 21:39
wallc	ok, i'm declaring today over (as a work day), i sent everyone home.	Oct 27 21:40
cubezzz	ok, pretty happy with Fedora 11	Oct 27 21:40
cubezzz	y	Oct 27 21:40
cubezzz	oops	Oct 27 21:40
_goblin	I was too cubezzz	Oct 27 21:41
schestowitz	wallc: why?	Oct 27 21:42
wallc	because i felt like it...lol...it's good to be the boss sometimes :)	Oct 27 21:42
wallc	the work still gets done, everyone can work at home. i just get tired of listening to all the chatter sometimes.	Oct 27 21:44
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wallc	that's why i like IRC, it's quiet chatter.	Oct 27 21:45
schestowitz	Hehe	Oct 27 21:46
schestowitz	We can roar, too	Oct 27 21:46
schestowitz	mutex chooses ALL CAPS nyms	Oct 27 21:47
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*Diablo-D3 is now known as DIABLO		Oct 27 21:47
DIABLO	mwaaaaaaaaahahahahha	Oct 27 21:47
cubezzz	don't like the new xchat	Oct 27 21:47
wallc	I know, but I can ignore the noise	Oct 27 21:47
*DIABLO is now known as Diablo-D3		Oct 27 21:47
cubezzz	?	Oct 27 21:47
*trmanco is now known as TONY		Oct 27 21:47
schestowitz	Something about "ROY", I think	Oct 27 21:47
TONY	LOL	Oct 27 21:47
TONY	:)	Oct 27 21:47
*schestowitz throws paper aeroplane across the office		Oct 27 21:47
*TONY is now known as trmanco		Oct 27 21:47
*trmanco catches it and throws it back		Oct 27 21:48
wallc	wallc shoots it down	Oct 27 21:48
schestowitz	Now it hit wallc	Oct 27 21:48
schestowitz	Run away!	Oct 27 21:48
MinceR	224540 [freenode] -!- Nick SEMAPHORE is already in use	Oct 27 21:48
MinceR	damn.	Oct 27 21:48
trmanco	LOL	Oct 27 21:48
wallc	i'm short, i don't even need to duck. :)	Oct 27 21:48
trmanco	omg	Oct 27 21:48
trmanco	nice nick	Oct 27 21:48
*schestowitz is now known as SteveBsChair		Oct 27 21:49
*trmanco is now known as GATES		Oct 27 21:49
*SteveBsChair wipres		Oct 27 21:49
GATES	HELLO	Oct 27 21:49
SteveBsChair	You gonna hurt me?	Oct 27 21:49
GATES	no not really	Oct 27 21:49
SteveBsChair	:-o	Oct 27 21:49
*SteveBsChair is now known as schestowitz		Oct 27 21:50
MinceR	it's the other way around, isn't it? :>	Oct 27 21:50
cubezzz	yikes, GATES has ops	Oct 27 21:50
GATES	LOOL	Oct 27 21:50
schestowitz	Robert Gates?	Oct 27 21:50
GATES	it time to shut down this channel...	Oct 27 21:50
GATES	:-P	Oct 27 21:50
*GATES is now known as trmanco		Oct 27 21:50
schestowitz	http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7589/1.html	Oct 27 21:51
schestowitz	wallc: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbgrCIW2skw4GNHrYBvgFyMoXVVwD9BI5SK00	Oct 27 21:51
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schestowitz	Sir BillG will educate your grandkids	Oct 27 21:52
schestowitz	With Clippy, probably	Oct 27 21:52
wallc	great, they'll love clippy...heh	Oct 27 21:52
schestowitz	He wants to be DG	Oct 27 21:52
schestowitz	Like B'liar	Oct 27 21:53
wallc	well, i figure the best way to get kids to ignore something is to make it part of school...	Oct 27 21:54
wallc	i remember absolutely nothing from school.	Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz	Yeah	Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz	Methods maybe	Oct 27 21:54
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schestowitz	"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." Albert Einstein	Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz	How true	Oct 27 21:55
wallc	yep, that's the truth	Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz	I'm still disheartened by the whole "rich people take over US policy"	Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz	The govt is supposed to run for the people	Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz	Electors	Oct 27 21:56
schestowitz	Education is now used for indoctrination	Oct 27 21:56
schestowitz	Selective history	Oct 27 21:56
schestowitz	Each country won't teach about genocide that made its existence possible	Oct 27 21:56
wallc	i dunno, rich people taking over US policy has been going on since forever.	Oct 27 21:56
schestowitz	Just stories of heroism, preparation for the "real world" (industry with proprietary s/w and brand) and maybe military	Oct 27 21:57
schestowitz	Religious groups play part in this, too	Oct 27 21:57
schestowitz	They use education as their "adverts"... but the taxpayers pay for these adverts	Oct 27 21:57
wallc	it was that way when i was a kid. what i was taught about WWI & WWII in school, were totally different from what my parents remembered about them...my dad was in WWII	Oct 27 21:58
schestowitz	wallc: yeah.. :-(	Oct 27 21:58
schestowitz	Well, each country tells a different story, or just parts of it	Oct 27 21:58
voltronw	schestowitz: the killing and mistreatment of native americans was actually very central to my early history education	Oct 27 21:58
schestowitz	The 'convenient' or victorious parts	Oct 27 21:59
wallc	from talking to my own kids (and grandkids), i think they generally just learn how to give the answers the teachers want, and then forget the whole thing.	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	Training for being docile	Oct 27 22:00
schestowitz	For maths it's OK	Oct 27 22:00
schestowitz	Then there's stuff like philosophy	Oct 27 22:00
wallc	lol...none of my kids could ever be mistaken for "docile"	Oct 27 22:00
schestowitz	Relatively, maybe	Oct 27 22:00
schestowitz	But...	Oct 27 22:01
wallc	they grew up to be good people though (in spite of me :)	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	The system of early childhood is built so as to reward and advance those who comply the most	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	Maybe in adulthood too	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	Then there are experiments gone wrong	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	Like linsux folks.. BOTH of them	Oct 27 22:01
wallc	i guess it depends on what you mean by "complience"	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	I reckon with mutex back they would have a THREE stooges going	Oct 27 22:01
wallc	mutex was from linsux?	Oct 27 22:02
schestowitz	wallc: consent with priorities, agreeing with teachers, etc.	Oct 27 22:02
schestowitz	People are discouraged by peers	Oct 27 22:02
_goblin	I don't think the Mutex handle can be used again...after his behaviour the other day	Oct 27 22:02
schestowitz	There's also words like "chaff" that apply social pressure on people	Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz	*to	Oct 27 22:03
_goblin	EdavidBurg is another Lin%ux member who reposts messages from here and openly takes delight in trolling BN...He admitted it on the forum.	Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz	_goblin: he's here	Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz sets ban on apac!@*		Oct 27 22:03
*schestowitz has kicked apac from #boycottnovell (User terminated!)		Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz	Not anymore	Oct 27 22:03
_goblin	who Edavidburg?	Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz	apac is MUTEX	Oct 27 22:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @mpt Love Twitter, but hate the Web? Try Gopher instead. gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/fun/twitpher?mpt		Oct 27 22:03
_goblin	ah	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	I wasn't paying attention	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	He'll never leave	Oct 27 22:04
cubezzz	well I watched Gates' deposition	Oct 27 22:04
cubezzz	very evasive	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	Did he sent thugs to beat up his investigator later? :-)	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	*send	Oct 27 22:04
wallc	why is he so persistant?	Oct 27 22:04
wallc	seems odd	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	cubezzz: he learned from his dad	Oct 27 22:05
_goblin	Ive called lefty out to answer questions for an article for my blog...	Oct 27 22:05
cubezzz	yeah Mutex is strange	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	And wallc just did an exhibit	Oct 27 22:05
cubezzz	schestowitz, I'm sure	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	It shows how he dodges the law	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	E-mails re Netscape	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	I'll hopefully post that tomorrow	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	15-page exhibit	Oct 27 22:05
cubezzz	Mutex must be quite young, that's the only excuse I can think of	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	And push-poll	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	cubezzz: no, he claims to be about 50-60	Oct 27 22:05
cubezzz	lol	Oct 27 22:06
_goblin	cubezzz: I used to think that, I think its more that he simply gets desperate.	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	Adult child	Oct 27 22:06
cubezzz	no way	Oct 27 22:06
cubezzz	well, that's a shame if that's true	Oct 27 22:06
_goblin	cubezzz: and has no morals or rules to live by.	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	Well..	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	Maybe he has a story to tell the kids about hanging out in "linsux"	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	Anyhooo...	Oct 27 22:07
_goblin	in the future this will make a great book....the desperation of MS shills....	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	They are possibly infecting Linux forums now	Oct 27 22:07
wallc	goblin, i was just thinking the same thing...a book would be very interesting.	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	THe startegy is to shift discussion to Vista 7	Oct 27 22:07
_goblin	i read one recently about the US allowing bugged and sabotaged computers to be stolen by the USSR during the cold war.	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	THis way people forget they came to a Linux forum	Oct 27 22:08
wallc	not "possibly", it's happening a lot	Oct 27 22:08
cubezzz	I don't really understand how anyone could be really pro-microsoft	Oct 27 22:08
schestowitz	Books can't be x-refed so well	Oct 27 22:08
cubezzz	unless they were a stockholder	Oct 27 22:08
_goblin	money	Oct 27 22:08
schestowitz	Better eBook	Oct 27 22:08
schestowitz	With funny pics :-)	Oct 27 22:08
schestowitz	I know someone who can do good cartoons	Oct 27 22:08
wallc	cubezzz, it has to be money, otherwise such dogged persistence makes no sense	Oct 27 22:08
cubezzz	Microsoft employee's go: I'm neutral, I don't care, pfffff	Oct 27 22:08
wallc	cartoons? hmmm, who would that be???	Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz	wallc: I have MANY friends :p	Oct 27 22:09
wallc	:) Yes, you do, indeed.	Oct 27 22:09
_goblin	schestowitz: The FTC report I have written, didn't get submitted to the FTC its been forwarded to another agency. The evidence I collated showed UK IP addresses committing offences such as threats to kill, incitement to cause racial hatred and several false representation issues. I'll keep you updated as to the outcome.	Oct 27 22:10
_goblin	it was not appropriate for the FTC under those circumstances and there are other issues at play which mean I obliged to forward it elsewhere.	Oct 27 22:11
schestowitz	_goblin: you too??	Oct 27 22:11
_goblin	?	Oct 27 22:11
schestowitz	nm	Oct 27 22:11
_goblin	if only you would engage in private chat Roy......	Oct 27 22:12
schestowitz	FOSS is winning: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qualcomm-QUIC/?kc=rss	Oct 27 22:12
phIRCe-local	Title: Qualcomm launches open source subsidiary - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.27 KB	Oct 27 22:12
schestowitz	Many jobs will be lost in some companies	Oct 27 22:12
schestowitz	_goblin: Cosata sort of vanished, no?	Oct 27 22:13
_goblin	he's about....	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	Yeah.	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	I figures	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	*red	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	No more "Mr Dee"	Oct 27 22:13
cubezzz	ok, so Paul Allen sold a lot of Microsoft Shares	Oct 27 22:13
_goblin	he linked my blog in an effort to show diverse opinion on his MS shill site...	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	I also saw Matt Asay voted 2nd most influenntial in FOSS	Oct 27 22:13
_goblin	it may convince the FTC but I wasn't fooled.	Oct 27 22:13
schestowitz	I mailed him about "Mr Dee"	Oct 27 22:13
_goblin	you won't get an answer....	Oct 27 22:14
schestowitz	And he's like "Aha!!!! I thought he was just annoying"	Oct 27 22:14
_goblin	he didn't like his 5 minutes of fame on BN...	Oct 27 22:14
schestowitz	cubezzz: Allen put lots of money in CNET	Oct 27 22:14
schestowitz	Which is infected with Microsoft PR people (blogs) and shills (comments)	Oct 27 22:14
schestowitz	Same in ZDNet	Oct 27 22:14
schestowitz	There's a whistleblower from Microsoft (source: Wired)	Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz	Now it's all CBS-owned	Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz	Still loaded with FOSS-hostile venom, naturally	Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz	[22:14] <_goblin> you won't get an answer....	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	I did	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	Costa was harrassing Asay	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	Trolling his posts endlessly	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	Promoting Microsoft in the comments	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	Good RoI gotr MSFT	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	One laptop for a guy in a country where it's worth a lot	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	Gain: cr*pflood of MS PR in many sites	Oct 27 22:16
schestowitz	NYT could also be reported to the FTC. It would make it easier to make a conviction cause it's a company, not an individual	Oct 27 22:18
schestowitz	But NYT is debt saddled. it's said to be engaging with 'PR' for companies, meaning it may be helping companies gain some little Turfs if info I received is true.	Oct 27 22:18
schestowitz	Remember that NYT makes money this way.... PR/marketing. It's product is the audience it sells. NYT is not about informing people, it's about selling ads	Oct 27 22:19
schestowitz	*Its	Oct 27 22:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Next up for Openbytes XFCE 4 and SAM LINUX http://sam.hipsurfer.com/ #linux #foss		Oct 27 22:19
phIRCe-local	Title: SAM Linux Desktop - Welcome .::. Size~: 7.61 KB	Oct 27 22:19
_goblin	Quote Andre "Oh my goodness, I just got my first MP3 player and I am in complete heaven with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"	Oct 27 22:24
_goblin	I wonder if that was another gift or he actually bought it.	Oct 27 22:25
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz		Oct 27 22:25
schestowitz	You can read b/w the lines	Oct 27 22:25
_goblin	I suppose next comes the "I love my Zune"	Oct 27 22:25
schestowitz	"The bit about installing Wine to use Spotify being too much bother sums up the whole article for me. He couldn't be bothered to do a fair, thorough review." http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/biased-bbc-review.-764339/?s=9ee144b130a4779032f94e803dfce3fc#post3732068	Oct 27 22:26
phIRCe-local	Title: Biased BBC review. - LinuxQuestions.org .::. Size~: 70.22 KB	Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz	_goblin: what is Zune? ;-)	Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz	http://www.digwin.com/zune-zooms-off-online-retailers-shelves	Oct 27 22:27
phIRCe-local	Title: Zune Zooms Off Online Retailers' Shelves: digWin .::. Size~: 19.48 KB	Oct 27 22:27
_goblin	"Trying to install Windows 7 and it asks for a dvd/cd driver. Nothing in driver catalog (pioneer dvr-k17). Any help?"	Oct 27 22:27
_goblin	god I love Microsofthelps	Oct 27 22:27
schestowitz	Hehe.	Oct 27 22:27
_goblin	its like the one stop shop for everything wrong with Windows 7	Oct 27 22:27
schestowitz	Can be called "WhatsBrokenInWindows"	Oct 27 22:27
schestowitz	Catalog of errors	Oct 27 22:28
schestowitz	Beat me to it !	Oct 27 22:28
schestowitz	Microsoft simplified the task of tracking brokenness of its product line	Oct 27 22:28
_goblin	I should really put an RSS feed in my sidebar on my site for all the twits @microsofthelps	Oct 27 22:29
_goblin	would save me alot of typing.	Oct 27 22:29
schestowitz	http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/10/is-twitter-dying.html	Oct 27 22:29
phIRCe-local	Title: Lodahl's blog: Is Twitter dying? .::. Size~: 127.21 KB	Oct 27 22:29
schestowitz	Earlier today I saw that CHartshow TV now has a twitter account too	Oct 27 22:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft surrenders Windows perpetrators on television http://notnews.today.com/?p=702		Oct 27 22:29
schestowitz	Now TV shows as well... Gawd save us!	Oct 27 22:29
phIRCe-local	Title: Microsoft surrenders Windows perpetrators on television - News of the News .::. Size~: 33.76 KB	Oct 27 22:30
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.78.178) has joined #boycottnovell		Oct 27 22:30
schestowitz	wallc: http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-danish-municipalities-under-way.html	Oct 27 22:31
phIRCe-local	Title: Lodahl's blog: More Danish municipalities under way .::. Size~: 127.76 KB	Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz	That's why so much AstroTurfing	Oct 27 22:31
wallc	(reading now)	Oct 27 22:32
schestowitz	Office income down @ double-digit rates	Oct 27 22:32
schestowitz	With it, Windows income down over 40%	Oct 27 22:32
schestowitz	No Windows, no Office	Oct 27 22:32
schestowitz	No need for Office (OOo), no need for Windows	Oct 27 22:32
schestowitz	They try to keep people stuck in Office, thinking there's no lockin now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8327399.stm	Oct 27 22:33
phIRCe-local	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 76.97 KB	Oct 27 22:33
*schestowitz sighs (mom sends videos by E-mail again, rather than post to Net and send link/s)		Oct 27 22:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amazing #Touhou CGI shadow art http://ur1.ca/el44		Oct 27 22:34
wallc	I hope they stick with using OpenOffice in their schools and not let Microsoft badger them into accepting MS Office licenses	Oct 27 22:34
phIRCe-local	Title: YouTube - 【Touhou】Bad Apple!!　ＰＶ【Stylized Shadow Art】 .::. Size~: 141.94 KB	Oct 27 22:34
_goblin	total of 1204 in the last 6 or so hours now.....new daily record.....	Oct 27 22:34
schestowitz	wallc: maybe EDGI	Oct 27 22:35
schestowitz	_goblin: the review?	Oct 27 22:35
schestowitz	arch enthusiasts?	Oct 27 22:35
_goblin	yep and that doesn't include the hits to "Whats unique about Windows 7"	Oct 27 22:36
schestowitz	_goblin: http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/05/chakra/	Oct 27 22:36
phIRCe-local	Title: First Look: Chakra Project Alpha 2 \| Adventures In Open Source .::. Size~: 58.43 KB	Oct 27 22:36
_goblin	that article alone gets at least 70 new IP's every day....	Oct 27 22:36
schestowitz	Dan reviewed it a while back	Oct 27 22:36
_goblin	yeah, I took Alpha 3	Oct 27 22:36
schestowitz	KDE4 can make unknown distros look like cutting-edge	Oct 27 22:37
schestowitz	Competitive with OS X HAcks	Oct 27 22:37
schestowitz	GoblinX got it too	Oct 27 22:37
_goblin	oh and I got many emails of support for the pictures of Ballmer and Voldemort.....its regarded as quite a good find.	Oct 27 22:37
schestowitz	!google goblinx kde4	Oct 27 22:37
phIRCe-local	[1] - GoblinX Project » The G:Standard 3.0 is Released \| http://www.goblinx.com.br/en/%3Fp%3D1195	Oct 27 22:37
phIRCe-local	[2] - GoblinX 3.0 Has KDE 4 - The G:Standard - Softpedia \| http://news.softpedia.com/news/GoblinX-3-0-Has-KDE-4-123285.shtml	Oct 27 22:37
phIRCe-local	[3] - Linux Today - GoblinX 3.0 Has KDE 4 \| http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3%3Fltsn%3D2009-10-04-005-35-NW-RL	Oct 27 22:37
phIRCe-local	[4] - Links 05/10/2009: GoblinX 3.0 Chooses KDE 4, New Chumby Arrives ... \| http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/05/new-chumby-arrives/	Oct 27 22:37
schestowitz	Heh. BN in [4]	Oct 27 22:37
_goblin	no relation, I promise...	Oct 27 22:37
_goblin	to GoblinX	Oct 27 22:38
cubezzz	evidently Iowa was the last hold-out in the anti-trust trial	Oct 27 22:38
_goblin	if there was it would be XFce	Oct 27 22:38
schestowitz	_goblin: Costa has a distro too	Oct 27 22:38
schestowitz	It's called Coaster	Oct 27 22:38
schestowitz	It won't boot	Oct 27 22:38
_goblin	lol	Oct 27 22:38
_goblin	it will boot....for a price.	Oct 27 22:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Eat y'self fitter. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/16739.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/530567.html		Oct 27 22:38
phIRCe-local	Title: reddragdiva \| Eat y'self fitter. .::. Size~: 28.03 KB	Oct 27 22:38
schestowitz	Well, you can write on it	Oct 27 22:38
phIRCe-local	Title: reddragdiva: Eat y'self fitter. .::. Size~: 18.78 KB	Oct 27 22:38
_goblin	it will do anything you tell it, aslong as you can bribe it.	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	cubezzz: Mississippi maybe	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	But no public docs	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	Comes put out the 'stuff'	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	The stash	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	Until Microsoft paid to Polk folks to take it down	Oct 27 22:39
schestowitz	"I am begging please let me win this MacBook Air, I am desperate for a laptop like this. I would appreciate it so much. If you let me win it I can even get additional links at popular websites where you can get to increase your readership. I want an Apple laptop so bad that I have gone as far as emailing Steve Jobs asking for a free MacBook Air, he replied with a polite ‘Sorry, but no’ Sent from my iPhone, LOL!. There are a	Oct 27 22:40
schestowitz	number of reasons I need this notebook, its slim design, my Dell Latitude 840c died on me in February, I like the look of Leopard and I am just desperate right now."	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	--Costa http://www.upstartblogger.com/free-mac-book-air-and-five-free-iphones	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	Stats for the last few hours:	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com463	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	tuxmachines.org/node/40648202	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	stumbleupon.com/refer.php?url=http%3A…59	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com/table.php?distributio…15	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=14	Oct 27 22:41
MinceR	lol	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?…3	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com/index.php?language=DE3	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com/?newsid=057303	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	Ah	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=43	Oct 27 22:41
_goblin	stumbleupon.com/refer.php?url=http%3A…	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	DistroWatch	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	That's why	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	TuxMachines Effect is not that high	Oct 27 22:41
MinceR	:)	Oct 27 22:41
schestowitz	BN was features in DistroWatch too	Oct 27 22:42
_goblin	its not been posted long.....	Oct 27 22:42
_goblin	those stats are since 7pm.	Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz	Over a thousand clickthroughs IIRC	Oct 27 22:42
cubezzz	http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/06/ms_msft.html	Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz	Distrowatch criticised Groklaw	Oct 27 22:42
phIRCe-local	Title: Microsoft Settles With Mississippi For $100 Million .::. Size~: 38.28 KB	Oct 27 22:42
cubezzz	probably old but...	Oct 27 22:42
*Lns has quit ("Φ")		Oct 27 22:43
cubezzz	$40 cash and $60 in coupons	Oct 27 22:43
cubezzz	in millions	Oct 27 22:43
schestowitz	Coupons of what?	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	s/w or h/w	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	I wrote about it	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	But it's also h/w	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/26/mississippi-msft-settlement-2009/	Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/13/mississippi-vs-microsoft-settled/	Oct 27 22:45
phIRCe-local	Title: Mississippi Paid up to $60 Million in Vouchers After Microsofts Violations of the Law \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.44 KB	Oct 27 22:45
phIRCe-local	Title: Microsoft to Pay $0.1 Billion to Settle Mississippi Case Against Its Crimes \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 127.51 KB	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	if anyones interested....articles for today... Chakra Alpha 3 - Review!1236	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	A question to Microsoft? Whats unique ab249	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	Ubuntu 9.10 - Karmic Koala34	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	Thumbs Up - Windows7themes.net24	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	Another Pro Microsoft user or an online24	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	ARTICLE: Lord of the Shills - A new week121	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	You know you have made it when.....103	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	REVIEW: PCLinuxOS 2009.249	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	Is there only one choice for the Linux n119	Oct 27 22:45
_goblin	Are you getting a fix? - Its free you kn	Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz	There's a nww video in YouTube titled "Gandhi & Novell"	Oct 27 22:46
schestowitz	It's private though	Oct 27 22:46
schestowitz	So I can't view it	Oct 27 22:46
cubezzz	schestowitz, question for you. Do you know if any of the U.S. government and/or states use Linux?	Oct 27 22:47
cubezzz	or even non-microsoft software of any kind	Oct 27 22:48
schestowitz	LOL new and lame(ish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEcPvy_-TAs	Oct 27 22:49
phIRCe-local	Title: YouTube - Novell CEO, Ron Hovsepian, endorses Moblin at the Intel Developer Forum .::. Size~: 106.73 KB	Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz	cubezzz: can't think of one	Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz	DOD doesn't count	Oct 27 22:50
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbgrCIW2skw4GNHrYBvgFyMoXVVwD9BI5SK00	Oct 27 22:50
phIRCe-local	Title: The Associated Press: THE INFLUENCE GAME: Bill Gates sways govt dollars .::. Size~: 17.93 KB	Oct 27 22:50
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has left #boycottnovell		Oct 27 22:53
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40648	Oct 27 22:56
phIRCe-local	Title: Chakra Alpha 3 – Review \| tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 21.74 KB	Oct 27 22:56
schestowitz	We didn't get any major links yesterday	Oct 27 22:56
schestowitz	Just regular readers	Oct 27 22:56
schestowitz	Half a million hits in 2 days	Oct 27 22:57
cubezzz	schestowitz, government of Canada uses some Linux servers	Oct 27 22:57
schestowitz	528922	Oct 27 22:57
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes, I know	Oct 27 22:57
schestowitz	Toronto articles I have...	Oct 27 22:57
schestowitz	But that's "American", not "US"	Oct 27 22:57
cubezzz	true :)	Oct 27 22:58
schestowitz	White House moved to Linux	Oct 27 22:58
schestowitz	It's confirmed today	Oct 27 22:58
schestowitz	After Bush & Minions moved it to Windows+IIS	Oct 27 22:58
MinceR	their website, that is :>	Oct 27 22:58
cubezzz	well that's government use :)	Oct 27 22:58
cubezzz	something anyway	Oct 27 22:59
schestowitz	Yesterday we got 1200 visitors from Google search alone	Oct 27 22:59
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Aschestowitz.com++canada&aq=f&oq=&aqi=	Oct 27 23:00
phIRCe-local	Title: site:schestowitz.com canada - Google Search .::. Size~: 23.32 KB	Oct 27 23:00
cubezzz	ha, front page of netcraft :)	Oct 27 23:00
schestowitz	I get 797 results on this DC	Oct 27 23:00
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes, exactly	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	And OSI blog	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	Tiemann spoke to the govt	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	DOD	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	And he's a regular BN reader	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	:-)	Oct 27 23:01
cubezzz	wait a sec, why is it showing Linux then Microsoft-IIS/6.0 ?	Oct 27 23:01
cubezzz	seems kind of wrong	Oct 27 23:01
schestowitz	cubezzz: it's not	Oct 27 23:02
schestowitz	Akamai	Oct 27 23:02
schestowitz	They use Apache and Linux now	Oct 27 23:02
schestowitz	See OSI blog	Oct 27 23:02
schestowitz	cubezzz: microsoft 'uses' Linux too	Oct 27 23:02
schestowitz	Akamai in-between	Oct 27 23:03
cubezzz	I see	Oct 27 23:03
schestowitz	The end-points need a closer lok	Oct 27 23:03
schestowitz	*look	Oct 27 23:03
cubezzz	heh, running Drupal	Oct 27 23:04
schestowitz	cubezzz: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_r600_3d&num=1	Oct 27 23:04
phIRCe-local	Title: [Phoronix] Open-Source ATI R600/700 3D Support In Fedora 12 .::. Size~: 22.85 KB	Oct 27 23:04
schestowitz	Since you brought it up	Oct 27 23:04
schestowitz	cubezzz: according to Microsoft, whtehouse runs site with commie stuff from acne-ridden kid from mom's basement :-)	Oct 27 23:05
cubezzz	Stallman lives in MIT's basement, get it right :)	Oct 27 23:05
schestowitz	!google stallman london open road	Oct 27 23:06
phIRCe-local	[1] - Richard Stallman posts - The Open Road - CNET News \| http://news.cnet.com/openroad/%3Fkeyword%3DRichard%2BStallman	Oct 27 23:06
phIRCe-local	[2] - Licensing posts - The Open Road - CNET News \| http://news.cnet.com/openroad/%3FcategoryId%3D9730066	Oct 27 23:06
phIRCe-local	[3] - Stallman attacks Oyster's 'unethical' use of Linux - ZDNet.co.uk \| http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39431419,00.htm	Oct 27 23:06
phIRCe-local	[4] - 2009: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman \| http://stallman.org/archives/2009-jul-oct.html	Oct 27 23:06
trmanco	rms lives inside emacs	Oct 27 23:06
trmanco	:-P	Oct 27 23:06
schestowitz	q!	Oct 27 23:06
schestowitz	that's vi	Oct 27 23:07
trmanco	:q	Oct 27 23:07
cubezzz	please, I use vi :)	Oct 27 23:07
schestowitz	I used emacs some years ago	Oct 27 23:07
cubezzz	I guess I'm not 100% Stallmanite then	Oct 27 23:07
schestowitz	Went back to nedit after a week....	Oct 27 23:07
schestowitz	I tried setting up phIRCe-local with vi yesterday	Oct 27 23:07
schestowitz	I gave up when it did funny stuff	Oct 27 23:07
cubezzz	you dont like vi then?	Oct 27 23:08
schestowitz	I just kate'd it	Oct 27 23:08
trmanco	I tried vi	Oct 27 23:08
MinceR	vim ftw	Oct 27 23:08
trmanco	but can't understand the basics yet	Oct 27 23:08
cubezzz	I got a vi page :)	Oct 27 23:08
schestowitz	We got a vi chruch	Oct 27 23:08
cubezzz	http://cubeman.org/vi.txt	Oct 27 23:08
phIRCe-local	Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Oct 27 23:08
schestowitz	The pastor is our cursor	Oct 27 23:08
MinceR	trmanco: try gvim and remember to switch to insert mode to write... or if you don't want to switch modes, try evim :)	Oct 27 23:08
cubezzz	bah, text page discrimination! :)	Oct 27 23:08
trmanco	no qVim?	Oct 27 23:09
trmanco	I prefer Qt	Oct 27 23:09
trmanco	yeah that it the problem	Oct 27 23:09
schestowitz	He inserts new chars and overwrites them	Oct 27 23:09
cubezzz	I'm text-man :)	Oct 27 23:09
trmanco	I forgot to toggle between those modes	Oct 27 23:09
trmanco	I forgot how*	Oct 27 23:09
trmanco	I think I have vim installed	Oct 27 23:09
MinceR	yzis was going to be vim for qt	Oct 27 23:09
schestowitz	If you don't behave, n curses are cast upon you	Oct 27 23:09
cubezzz	I'm leet, I play mpoly in text mode :)	Oct 27 23:10
schestowitz	And according to RMS, there are "vi Virgins"	Oct 27 23:10
schestowitz	Vi virgins are the /guys/ in the church	Oct 27 23:10
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schestowitz	They are relieved by the women who lead the chruch of vi	Oct 27 23:10
MinceR	sounds fun	Oct 27 23:11
schestowitz	Nope	Oct 27 23:11
schestowitz	n curses	Oct 27 23:11
schestowitz	Very, very naughty	Oct 27 23:11
cubezzz	well maybe with Obama's influence you'll see more Linux et all in government	Oct 27 23:14
schestowitz	Also, it's limited to ASCII art	Oct 27 23:14
schestowitz	cubezzz: naaa...	Oct 27 23:14
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_goblin	right Im off to bed....v.early start for me...got to be at work for 6am.	Oct 27 23:19
_goblin	gn all...	Oct 27 23:19
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wallc	i just looked outside...there's a dust storm blowing through. guess i'll take my bloody mary (extra spicey!) and step away from the computer for a while...	Oct 27 23:20
wallc	:) later!	Oct 27 23:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and Im off to bed now. @sazzlerock I hope youre ears better. @tobyw7 I hope you are enjoying my recommendations! @IanAspin Patents? ask MS!		Oct 27 23:21
schestowitz	http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/jake-b/quick-fix-compiz-on-gentoo-resolving-text-corruption-in-terminal/	Oct 27 23:26
phIRCe-local	Title: Quick fix: Compiz on Gentoo, resolving text corruption in terminal \| The Linux Experiment .::. Size~: 42.64 KB	Oct 27 23:26
schestowitz	http://wonkabar.org/2009/10/26/playing-with-x264/	Oct 27 23:30
phIRCe-local	Title: playing with x264 « wonkablog .::. Size~: 12.93 KB	Oct 27 23:30
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schestowitz	That was mutex	Oct 27 23:42
cubezzz	intruder alert! intruder alert! :)	Oct 27 23:42
cubezzz	how many bans for mutex now?	Oct 27 23:44
schestowitz	over 30	Oct 27 23:45
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