| _Goblin | ... | Jan 31 00:24 |
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| rnb | oops, sorry | Jan 31 00:24 |
| rnb | hi everyone.. | Jan 31 00:24 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jan 31 00:24 |
| rnb | i've had all kinds of crazy shit happening at my building | Jan 31 00:25 |
| rnb | bottom line: if your landlord goes bankrupt... you are screwed | Jan 31 00:25 |
| rnb | my $5500 security deposit has been stolen, i'm never getting it back | Jan 31 00:25 |
| _Goblin | sorry to hear that | Jan 31 00:25 |
| rnb | and i probably have to pay double-rent on january | Jan 31 00:25 |
| rnb | so, within the last 3 days, i've lost around $10k | Jan 31 00:26 |
| rnb | well, not "lost" | Jan 31 00:26 |
| rnb | i've had $10k stolen from me by a shady landlord | Jan 31 00:26 |
| _Goblin | oh dear... | Jan 31 00:27 |
| oiaohm | The double rent bit should be avoidable rnb | Jan 31 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Do you have a recept for paying the rent rnb | Jan 31 00:28 |
| oiaohm | If you can find that you are set. | Jan 31 00:29 |
| rnb | it's not avoidable, unfortunately | Jan 31 00:30 |
| oiaohm | The deposit bit is why in Australia it has to go into an trust | Jan 31 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Where are you rnb | Jan 31 00:30 |
| rnb | i mean, i could sue the guy but he is in bankruptcy | Jan 31 00:30 |
| rnb | so, it would be a complete waste of money | Jan 31 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Some countries there are like department of housing/tax office that will go after him. | Jan 31 00:31 |
| oiaohm | At no cost to you to get deposit back. Ok maybe not quicky. | Jan 31 00:31 |
| rnb | i'm in san francisco | Jan 31 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Bugger | Jan 31 00:31 |
| rnb | which has the most liberal tenant laws in the US | Jan 31 00:32 |
| rnb | i mean, in favor of the tenant | Jan 31 00:32 |
| rnb | but ... it just doesnt matter | Jan 31 00:32 |
| oiaohm | You don't have a department over there to making sure the laws are followed. | Jan 31 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Your laws are good but enforcement is a bitch. | Jan 31 00:32 |
| rnb | there are things like that | Jan 31 00:33 |
| rnb | but the law -is- being followed | Jan 31 00:33 |
| rnb | it's just that, in this case, the law is against me | Jan 31 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Like you are legally entiled to the depoist but the ammount of work to get it would be more than the depoist there. | Jan 31 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Where here australia the cost of getting the depoist to you would be nothing. | Jan 31 00:34 |
| oiaohm | The person who has to pay those costs is the person who lost it. | Jan 31 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Just because we have a department who job is to enforce it. | Jan 31 00:35 |
| oiaohm | People aways say the law is against. Them. More often than not it not the law but the legal process to follow the law. | Jan 31 00:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy doesn't get receipts for rent either | Jan 31 00:39 | |
| FurnaceBoy | on the other hand, rent is not accepted in cash. so I could probably prove it was banked by the landlord | Jan 31 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: that sucks. | Jan 31 00:40 |
| oiaohm | As long as there is a record of payment. | Jan 31 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: cheque. | Jan 31 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie you cannot be made pay for something you have already payed for. | Jan 31 00:40 |
| oiaohm | That is basic law | Jan 31 00:41 |
| oiaohm | I have seen sales of properities delayed because some one had payed up rent. | Jan 31 00:43 |
| rnb | argh, sorry.. i was just on the phone with the damn court-appointed receiver | Jan 31 00:46 |
| rnb | oiaohm: yeah, but if you pay the wrong person, you still have to pay the -right- person | Jan 31 00:46 |
| rnb | thats what's happening to us | Jan 31 00:46 |
| rnb | i paid my january rent to the same company i've paid for 3-1/2 years | Jan 31 00:47 |
| oiaohm | If you payed that person in good faith. | Jan 31 00:47 |
| oiaohm | The other person should not have taken it. | Jan 31 00:47 |
| rnb | well, as it turns out, i shouldnt have because he no longer holds this property | Jan 31 00:47 |
| rnb | the court-appointed receiver does | Jan 31 00:47 |
| rnb | so now, the court-appointed receiver wants january's rent | Jan 31 00:47 |
| rnb | oiaohm: yes, you are correct, my old landlord should not have cashed that check | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Did you get a formal letter informing you of change. | Jan 31 00:48 |
| rnb | oiaohm: but, he did, knowingly | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically you were not information. | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | the libablity is with the receiver and the past owner. | Jan 31 00:48 |
| rnb | oiaohm: well, thats the other thing, per the law, the court-appointed receivr MUST notify us of the change | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Before the rent was due. | Jan 31 00:48 |
| rnb | oiaohm: but, they didnt | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | I guess did not | Jan 31 00:48 |
| oiaohm | So you should not have to pay twice | Jan 31 00:49 |
| jweyrich | rnb: did you know the property changed its owner? :) | Jan 31 00:49 |
| oiaohm | They did not do there job. | Jan 31 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Its acting in good faith protection. | Jan 31 00:49 |
| rnb | jweyrich: no and, technically, the owner HASNT changed | Jan 31 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Of course you cannot get out of paying next month. | Jan 31 00:49 |
| rnb | jweyrich: it's just that the owner is bankrupt, so a court-appointed receiver has taken over all incoming/outgoing monies | Jan 31 00:49 |
| oiaohm | due to paying to the wrong person. | Jan 31 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Really you mess is quite simple. rnb | Jan 31 00:50 |
| oiaohm | As long as you have documents proving you did pay rnb | Jan 31 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Since that money shoud have been forwards to the receiver by the owner. | Jan 31 00:50 |
| jweyrich | rnb: that's not your problem. he has a problem with justice, he's bankrupt. so the new owner has to sue him to get your the money back. I don't see how you're involved :) | Jan 31 00:51 |
| rnb | jweyrich: no, no.. there's no new owner | Jan 31 00:51 |
| jweyrich | so? | Jan 31 00:51 |
| jweyrich | still not your problem. | Jan 31 00:51 |
| rnb | jweyrich: a bankrupt company owns the property | Jan 31 00:51 |
| oiaohm | The owner would have been under orders by the court. rnb | Jan 31 00:51 |
| oiaohm | What he has disobeyed rnb | Jan 31 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically do you have documents proving payment rnb | Jan 31 00:52 |
| jweyrich | a bankrupt company can't bill you! solved twice. | Jan 31 00:52 |
| oiaohm | If you do your fine. | Jan 31 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically present the document to the reciever. | Jan 31 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Say go get your money. | Jan 31 00:53 |
| rnb | oiaohm: that isnt how it works | Jan 31 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Legally it is. | Jan 31 00:53 |
| rnb | it isnt | Jan 31 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Because a court order on the owner would have been disobeyed. | Jan 31 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Once you go into recievership you are legally required to pass the monies you take to the reciever. | Jan 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm | That is the end of it. | Jan 31 00:54 |
| jweyrich | bankruptcy = can't bill debtors anymore | Jan 31 00:54 |
| rnb | sure, but he didnt | Jan 31 00:54 |
| oiaohm | So if you have documents that he got the money. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| oiaohm | You have done nothing legally wrong. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| oiaohm | You are paid. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Its the recievers job to legally skin him. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm sure rnb knows what he's doing :) | Jan 31 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Now for the reciever not having to do that is a lot simpler. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| jweyrich | he paid once, he will not pay again. the company can't bill him. | Jan 31 00:55 |
| oiaohm | So they try to trick people into paying twice. | Jan 31 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Less paper work for them rnb | Jan 31 00:56 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i do :) | Jan 31 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Human nature is at work rnb | Jan 31 00:57 |
| rnb | human nature? | Jan 31 00:57 |
| rnb | a bunch of sharky lawyers are at work | Jan 31 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | same thing :D | Jan 31 00:58 |
| rnb | who specialize at making a ton of profit off of foreclosures | Jan 31 00:58 |
| rnb | look at their damn website | Jan 31 00:58 |
| -Martinp23-Hi everyone. We've disabled the +S chanmode for the time being. Normally, +S blocks users from joining a channel if they aren't connecting with SSL. If you still see +S in your channel's modelist, it will have *no effect*. For the now, you will be unable to add or remove this mode. We'll have a more permanent resolution asap. We're sorry for the inconvenience caused by our earlier technical difficulties. | Jan 31 00:58 | |
| oiaohm | Yep exactly. | Jan 31 00:58 |
| rnb | http://www.receiversinc.com/ | Jan 31 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Receivers Inc. - Welcome .::. Size~: 11.98 KB | Jan 31 00:58 |
| oiaohm | They will shake you down illegally just to make there job simpler rnb | Jan 31 00:58 |
| jweyrich | rnb: who's billing you for the rental? | Jan 31 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think that's what rnb is saying | Jan 31 00:58 |
| oiaohm | I have handled beasts like that before rnb | Jan 31 00:58 |
| rnb | it isnt human nature to scheme and try to hurt your fellow human beings | Jan 31 00:59 |
| jweyrich | it's very human, unfortunately. | Jan 31 00:59 |
| jweyrich | the thing is that you don't need to pay, that simple. | Jan 31 01:00 |
| rnb | people say that to justify the sick twisted society that we live in | Jan 31 01:00 |
| rnb | but it isnt true | Jan 31 01:00 |
| rnb | no, i DO need to pay | Jan 31 01:00 |
| rnb | or potentially face an eviction proceeding against me, which is then always on record when you try to rent somewhere else | Jan 31 01:01 |
| jweyrich | I don't see a single reason until now. everything you said until now points otherwise. | Jan 31 01:01 |
| rnb | the reason why is that the receivers are the company that should have been paid | Jan 31 01:01 |
| jweyrich | above you said the owner was a bankrupt company. | Jan 31 01:02 |
| jweyrich | same one? | Jan 31 01:03 |
| rnb | there is an owner, and there is a court-appointed receiver | Jan 31 01:04 |
| rnb | two separate entities | Jan 31 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: see the problem? | Jan 31 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: attempted scam, like oiaohm said | Jan 31 01:04 |
| jweyrich | yes. a justice problem, not his. | Jan 31 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: well... | Jan 31 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: see also under "eviction notice" | Jan 31 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: come on, I know *you're* familiar with low-life piece of shit scammers :) | Jan 31 01:05 |
| jweyrich | surely | Jan 31 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: it appears that they KNOW most tenants will not take the risk of fighting them | Jan 31 01:05 |
| jweyrich | indeded it deserves the * marks LOL | Jan 31 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 31 01:06 |
| jweyrich | rnb: indeed, you're in bad hands. | Jan 31 01:06 |
| jweyrich | would have to pay an attorney for 1+ year, and not get your money back, because they're bankrupt. | Jan 31 01:07 |
| jweyrich | which doesn't make sense if the bill is lower :) | Jan 31 01:07 |
| jweyrich | they're smart. | Jan 31 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i meant, fighting the receivers. | Jan 31 01:08 |
| jweyrich | exactly what I'm saying. | Jan 31 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: who may have set this up | Jan 31 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | if i've understood rnb | Jan 31 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah | Jan 31 01:08 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: yes, its possibly they might have set this up | Jan 31 01:09 |
| jweyrich | but what you just said, just gives another clue. what if the bankrupt company has connection with the court-appointed receivers? | Jan 31 01:09 |
| jweyrich | heh. | Jan 31 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: jweyrich: pretty nice gallery from Sul do Brasil http://www.flickr.com/photos/croquezz/page87/ (random page) | Jan 31 01:10 |
| rnb | wel, so, this is the fun part of the story | Jan 31 01:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Flickr: Zórzimo Croquezz's Photostream .::. Size~: 44.58 KB | Jan 31 01:11 |
| rnb | no one in the building can find the owner | Jan 31 01:11 |
| jweyrich | well, that's something only an prosecutor would benefice fighting against. | Jan 31 01:11 |
| rnb | to yell at him and demand our security deposits and january rent back | Jan 31 01:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah that's what i was thinking. | Jan 31 01:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | if they attempted this serially. | Jan 31 01:11 |
| jweyrich | rnb: did you try a prosecutor? | Jan 31 01:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | for example, how do they manage to get away with avoiding notification as a business model | Jan 31 01:11 |
| rnb | i happened to RANDOMLY find a PDF via google for a contact list of an amateur softball league | Jan 31 01:12 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: watching now. | Jan 31 01:12 |
| rnb | and his name was on it w/a phone number i never saw before (all other phone #s for him didnt work) | Jan 31 01:12 |
| rnb | i called it, and got him | Jan 31 01:12 |
| rnb | and i played stupid, like i was on his side | Jan 31 01:12 |
| rnb | so now i have his cell phone, address, email and home phone | Jan 31 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 31 01:12 |
| rnb | and i'm goint to demand that he, personally, pay my january rent to the receivers | Jan 31 01:13 |
| rnb | *going | Jan 31 01:13 |
| rnb | there's more but i cant say because of the DAMNED PUBLIC LOGGING | Jan 31 01:13 |
| rnb | :) | Jan 31 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: this gallery brings back the mood of southern Brazil to me | Jan 31 01:14 |
| rnb | oh, the gallery | Jan 31 01:14 |
| rnb | i went to latinoware in foz do iguacu a few months ago | Jan 31 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: very evocative, in different ways... even just the sight of rain on the streets | Jan 31 01:14 |
| jweyrich | rnb: where are you from? | Jan 31 01:14 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: it's colorful. Shows Santa Maria, and few other cities (which I don't know I guess) | Jan 31 01:15 |
| rnb | jweyrich: right now, i live in san francisco | Jan 31 01:15 |
| rnb | (california) | Jan 31 01:15 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: I prefer Floripa :( | Jan 31 01:15 |
| jweyrich | rnb: but are you north-american? | Jan 31 01:15 |
| rnb | jweyrich: yeah | Jan 31 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: me 2 | Jan 31 01:16 |
| rnb | jweyrich: ohio, born there and raised there and PROUD OF IT | Jan 31 01:16 |
| jweyrich | and FurnaceBoy told you he's your friend? you should suspect him LOL | Jan 31 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Jan 31 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb knows my politics | Jan 31 01:16 |
| rnb | our politics are very similar, it seems | Jan 31 01:17 |
| jweyrich | I've never been on US. maybe soon | Jan 31 01:17 |
| rnb | jweyrich: where are you from? | Jan 31 01:18 |
| jweyrich | rnb: southern brazil | Jan 31 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's why i introduced you two :) | Jan 31 01:18 |
| rnb | jweyrich: oh.... oh!! ok, you're the brazuka in the channel that FurnaceBoy had been talking about | Jan 31 01:19 |
| rnb | now i see | Jan 31 01:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently tuned into Wrestlecrap Radio...http://wrestlecrap.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=576091 | Jan 31 01:19 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WrestleCrap Radio .::. Size~: 12.15 KB | Jan 31 01:19 |
| rnb | what city in brazil? | Jan 31 01:19 |
| jweyrich | brazuka haha | Jan 31 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | we met in Florianopolis | Jan 31 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | and worked together for a while | Jan 31 01:19 |
| jweyrich | we were coworkers @ florianopolis-SC, now I'm in Porto Alegre-RS | Jan 31 01:20 |
| rnb | jweyrich: wasnt FSM in porto alegre this year? | Jan 31 01:20 |
| rnb | it just ended? | Jan 31 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i don't know why, these pics make me miss brazil | Jan 31 01:20 |
| jweyrich | rnb: yes | Jan 31 01:20 |
| rnb | jweyrich: did you go to it? do you like that? | Jan 31 01:21 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: you should anticipate your plans to visit us. | Jan 31 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: my wife already made plans for xmas this year to be there | Jan 31 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: so yes, i'll be doing something. she'll be travelling to Pelotas, I may stay in Floripa | Jan 31 01:22 |
| jweyrich | rnb: not really, I'm not into social things LOL. but I went to FISL (free software international forum) | Jan 31 01:22 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i missed FISL this year, but my wife went to it | Jan 31 01:22 |
| jweyrich | really? NICE! | Jan 31 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | no schestowitz tonight? | Jan 31 01:23 |
| jweyrich | I liked it, but the president thing fucked up :) | Jan 31 01:23 |
| rnb | jweyrich: fucked up? because of lula's talk? | Jan 31 01:23 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i dont know what you mean.. you didnt like lula's talk? | Jan 31 01:24 |
| jweyrich | yeah. not his talk, but they closed 90% of the area for public | Jan 31 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linux-netbook.com/10-blockbusters-made-with-the-help-of-linux | Jan 31 01:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 10 Blockbusters Made with the Help of Linux | Linux Netbook .::. Size~: 27 KB | Jan 31 01:24 |
| jweyrich | hundreds of people squeezed in a micro-area. | Jan 31 01:25 |
| rnb | jweyrich: yeah, i heard .. heheh | Jan 31 01:25 |
| rnb | jweyrich: well, lula is the most popular head of state in the world :) | Jan 31 01:25 |
| jweyrich | here's the map to give you an idea of the problem: http://www.nardol.org/2009/6/26/fisl10-day-2 | Jan 31 01:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nardol: FISL10 day 2 .::. Size~: 14 KB | Jan 31 01:25 |
| rnb | i wish lula could run for a 3rd consecutive term :( | Jan 31 01:26 |
| rnb | i'm scared... reassure me that dilma is going to win | Jan 31 01:26 |
| jweyrich | well, I started to think about it yesterday. that would be great for Brazil. | Jan 31 01:27 |
| jweyrich | despite few things, he's assuredly the best president this country ever had | Jan 31 01:27 |
| *jweyrich doesn't like politics either. | Jan 31 01:28 | |
| rnb | well, he can run again after this new preisident serves her term | Jan 31 01:28 |
| jweyrich | yeah. that rule of 2 consecutive mandates is just to avoid dictatorship. | Jan 31 01:29 |
| jweyrich | brb. | Jan 31 01:29 |
| rnb | sure | Jan 31 01:30 |
| rnb | but part of the Foro de Sao Paulo plan is that members of the FSP who become heads of state should try to hold constitutional assemblies | Jan 31 01:31 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: brb | Jan 31 01:31 |
| *schestowitz writes some long posts | Jan 31 01:31 | |
| rnb | since most consitutions in latin america were writtn as the dictatorships were on their way out | Jan 31 01:33 |
| rnb | so, like in honduras, the constitution heavily favors the traditional oligarchy | Jan 31 01:33 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jan 31 01:34 | |
| jweyrich | back. | Jan 31 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 31 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know this is true in brazil... very problematic for environmental protection :( | Jan 31 01:36 |
| jweyrich | oligarchy @ honduras? I thought it was aristocratic | Jan 31 01:38 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: the short mandate? | Jan 31 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: oligarchies are everywhere :) | Jan 31 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: they just prefer we didn't talk about them | Jan 31 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: their business gets done better in the dark, like cockroaches | Jan 31 01:39 |
| jweyrich | well, EVERY single govern is oligarchic, despite what they say. | Jan 31 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: exactly, the misdirection is very pervasive | Jan 31 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | and intentional | Jan 31 01:39 |
| jweyrich | it's more like the people see it. | Jan 31 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, they see that government is weak, and blame that | Jan 31 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | without going any deeper | Jan 31 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | typical USA syndrome, btw | Jan 31 01:40 |
| jweyrich | lol | Jan 31 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | they beat their chests on how hopeless government is, as if that is the problem per se | Jan 31 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a first order complaint | Jan 31 01:41 |
| jweyrich | the major problem of any country is the economic model. | Jan 31 01:41 |
| jweyrich | economy dictates every single life. FMI is a cancer. | Jan 31 01:42 |
| jweyrich | s/FMI/IMF/ | Jan 31 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | bit like our personal lives, as a microcosm | Jan 31 01:43 |
| jweyrich | doesn't matter how much you work, and desperately pray, you'll be in debt forever. | Jan 31 01:44 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: have you ever look at gringoes.com? (i think thats the url.. checking...) | Jan 31 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: unless you're connected to the oligarchy :) | Jan 31 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i know there are a couple of sites... | Jan 31 01:45 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i think an intelligent, leftist site with the same concept would be a worthwhile project | Jan 31 01:46 |
| rnb | but i have way more project ideas than time | Jan 31 01:47 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: no, money is created out of nothing. someone say "this paper is worth $10", and the govern creates the "public treasury", and say "it's worth $10". they exchange, but the MFI charge interest on their $10. how could the govern pay $11, if they only have $10? | Jan 31 01:47 |
| jweyrich | it's a big snow ball. grows every single day. until it explodes. | Jan 31 01:48 |
| jweyrich | s/public/national | Jan 31 01:48 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: http://www.gringoes.com/ ... i wouldnt *recommend* it but there have been some interesting articles | Jan 31 01:48 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: do you know the venus project? | Jan 31 01:51 |
| rnb | jweyrich: but my point from earlier is that part of the constitutional assemblies include longer term limits for presidents | Jan 31 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: no | Jan 31 01:52 |
| rnb | jweyrich: the one that made the zeitgeist movie? | Jan 31 01:52 |
| jweyrich | rnb: yeah, that one. | Jan 31 01:52 |
| jweyrich | it supports a resource-based economy -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project | Jan 31 01:52 |
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| jweyrich | forbidden? LOL | Jan 31 01:52 |
| jweyrich | the bot is @ CHINA. | Jan 31 01:53 |
| rnb | jweyrich: it's a little weird & cultish, no? | Jan 31 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: wow this second page is pretty long, and the whole thing is a pretty good read http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7677/1.html | Jan 31 01:53 |
| jweyrich | rnb: well, it's a big and crazy idea. but I don't see how we could make big advances (economically, and technologically) in our current model. | Jan 31 01:54 |
| jweyrich | in fact, the current model was made to collapse. | Jan 31 01:55 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i'm all for a revolutionary change away from capitalism | Jan 31 01:55 |
| rnb | jweyrich: but i prefer tendencies that have long histories with successes and extremely participatory evolution of ideas | Jan 31 01:56 |
| rnb | jweyrich: instead of the ideas of one french guy :) | Jan 31 01:57 |
| jweyrich | if you grab the publicly available data, you'll certainly see the existing resources (food, water, etc) are more than enough for 6+Bi people, and we see high taxes of people with no access to food or water. Take Haiti for instance. | Jan 31 01:58 |
| rnb | of course, lots of people throughout modern history have pointed out this sad fact and fought and died trying to change it | Jan 31 01:59 |
| jweyrich | rnb: the Venus project wouldn't succeed anytime soon. it will take a century or so. people can't change their way of thinking and natural instincts from day to night. | Jan 31 02:00 |
| rnb | we have more than enough resources to end poverty, starvation, preventable disease, etc | Jan 31 02:00 |
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| rnb | jweyrich: well, but there has already been more than a century of that going on | Jan 31 02:00 |
| jweyrich | maybe it ends before succeeding. but at some point, people will have to cooperate, and completely put the economy aside. | Jan 31 02:01 |
| rnb | jweyrich: people are fighting/dying for a society like that everyday | Jan 31 02:02 |
| rnb | jweyrich: they have been for a long time | Jan 31 02:02 |
| Eruaran | It's an illusion | Jan 31 02:02 |
| jweyrich | fighting against what? the govern? the banks? | Jan 31 02:02 |
| jweyrich | they need to fight against other people's thoughts. | Jan 31 02:03 |
| Eruaran | You'll only end up with a dictatorship | Jan 31 02:03 |
| rnb | this twisted system that puts artificial profit and power before human need | Jan 31 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: +1 | Jan 31 02:03 |
| jweyrich | first of all, instigate critical thinking | Jan 31 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the inequality is rocketing up even now | Jan 31 02:03 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: yes it is | Jan 31 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i saw an interesting chart | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: the lowest point in past few decades was ~ 9183 | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1983 | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: then it started to rise again | Jan 31 02:04 |
| rnb | in the US? or globally? | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: globally | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: US, UK, France were indicators | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: France has lowest | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | of those | Jan 31 02:04 |
| rnb | well, we should learn from those who are successful in fighting this | Jan 31 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I should find the chart, it was very clear | Jan 31 02:05 |
| rnb | the bolivarian revoluton has drastically reduced wealth inequality in venezuela in the past 10 years or so | Jan 31 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i think it was linked from the article i tweeted which called Bernanke out | Jan 31 02:05 |
| rnb | by all kinds of indicators | Jan 31 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: right, inequality has to be attacked | Jan 31 02:05 |
| rnb | and, as chavez says: "our goal is not to make everyone rich. our goal is to make sure everyone in our society has a good quality of life" | Jan 31 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | and that's quite achievable | Jan 31 02:06 |
| rnb | "that is not measured by the size of your bank account" | Jan 31 02:06 |
| jweyrich | our nations already suffered of economic crisis. what happens when your fortune becomes worthless? it happened more than once in the history. | Jan 31 02:07 |
| Eruaran | It's not like we haven't heard this kind of rhetoric before | Jan 31 02:07 |
| rnb | jweyrich: whose fortune? | Jan 31 02:07 |
| Eruaran | And the crisis was cause by corrupt bankers | Jan 31 02:07 |
| jweyrich | anyone, companies, people. govern. | Jan 31 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | Jan 31 02:07 |
| Eruaran | Read a history book | Jan 31 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: you don't think the USA is controlled by an oligarchy? | Jan 31 02:08 |
| Eruaran | I didn't say that | Jan 31 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | so there's your answer. | Jan 31 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | the bankers, like Obama, are just useful intermediaries. | Jan 31 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | and scapegoats | Jan 31 02:08 |
| Eruaran | You would only succeed in replacing one evil with another | Jan 31 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | the crash was engineered | Jan 31 02:08 |
| rnb | Eruaran: what are you talking about? | Jan 31 02:08 |
| Eruaran | History | Jan 31 02:08 |
| rnb | Eruaran: what evil is being advocated here? | Jan 31 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: defeatism | Jan 31 02:08 |
| jweyrich | govern = puppets controlled by biggest companies. | Jan 31 02:09 |
| jweyrich | everywhere. | Jan 31 02:09 |
| Eruaran | It's not defeatism | Jan 31 02:09 |
| Eruaran | Your way wont work | Jan 31 02:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: whose way? | Jan 31 02:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: you think inequality works? | Jan 31 02:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: it's increasing, did you know? | Jan 31 02:09 |
| Eruaran | Power corrupts | Jan 31 02:09 |
| rnb | Eruaran: what is "my way" ? | Jan 31 02:09 |
| Eruaran | Absolute power corrupts absolutely | Jan 31 02:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 31 02:10 |
| rnb | ??? | Jan 31 02:10 |
| Eruaran | You can't change that | Jan 31 02:10 |
| jweyrich | power doesn't exist. | Jan 31 02:10 |
| rnb | are you just reading out of a quotations book? | Jan 31 02:10 |
| Eruaran | sigh | Jan 31 02:10 |
| Eruaran | nevermind, enjoy | Jan 31 02:10 |
| rnb | well, maybe if you constructed a thoughtful sentence that was specific to the point | Jan 31 02:10 |
| rnb | we could have a meaningful discussion | Jan 31 02:10 |
| Eruaran | I don't think its worth the effort | Jan 31 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | for example, explain how the status quo (staggering inequality) works, and increasing inequality works better. | Jan 31 02:11 |
| rnb | ok | Jan 31 02:11 |
| jweyrich | calm down :D | Jan 31 02:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not an "accidental" state of affairs | Jan 31 02:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: anyways, my point is that people all over the world have been and continue to fight for what you're talking about | Jan 31 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | nor something that we can shrug and say, "well, that's just the way the world is." | Jan 31 02:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: there is no excuse to wait, if you want to be involved in making it happen | Jan 31 02:12 |
| jweyrich | rnb: I see your point. but I think the attack is not well directed. | Jan 31 02:12 |
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| rnb | jweyrich: it's happening right now | Jan 31 02:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: which attack? | Jan 31 02:13 |
| jweyrich | the way they fight against it. | Jan 31 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: imho, we should take gandhi at his word, and live the change | Jan 31 02:13 |
| rnb | jweyrich: the way who fights against what? | Jan 31 02:13 |
| jweyrich | an idea to succeed need to be accepted by the majority | Jan 31 02:13 |
| jweyrich | it requires critical thinking. | Jan 31 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 31 02:13 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i hate gandhi for making me agree with christopher hitchens :P | Jan 31 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | apparently not, jweyrich | Jan 31 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: the way the world is run, requires no rational or critical thinking for the decisions of the oligarchy to be ratified and actioned | Jan 31 02:14 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: it does, the problem is that majority haven't developed critical thinking. they agree with any argument! | Jan 31 02:14 |
| rnb | jweyrich: oh, thats not true | Jan 31 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: so why wouldn't they agree with yours? :) | Jan 31 02:14 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: because they're surrounded by people saying otherwise. | Jan 31 02:14 |
| jweyrich | it's a conflict. | Jan 31 02:15 |
| rnb | jweyrich: the vast majority of the world are decent human beings who want nothing besides peace, harmony and co-operation with their fellow humans | Jan 31 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i agree that the best hope is to raise children as independent thinkers. :) | Jan 31 02:15 |
| rnb | jweyrich: but they are trapped in a horrific system that is difficult to understand | Jan 31 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 31 02:15 |
| jweyrich | once they see the arguments under critical view, nobody will convince them otherwise. | Jan 31 02:15 |
| jweyrich | rnb: I agree with that. | Jan 31 02:16 |
| jweyrich | most people just don't want to get involved. | Jan 31 02:16 |
| jweyrich | it in fact, includes me somehow. | Jan 31 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | right.. because they are kept in deliberate ignorance how their lives are compromised deliberately | Jan 31 02:16 |
| rnb | jweyrich: not -everyone- is going to ever be involved | Jan 31 02:17 |
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| rnb | jweyrich: it just requires a critical mass of people to make social change, history proves that | Jan 31 02:17 |
| jweyrich | just summarizes how many people you know with strong opinions. they're the critical thinkers. even if they thoughts are not correct. | Jan 31 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | the facts are so incredibly uncomfortable i can understand why 99% of people refuse to look at or accept them. | Jan 31 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't change the facts. | Jan 31 02:18 |
| jweyrich | rnb: yes, the only solution, but now making protests in front of the TV. | Jan 31 02:18 |
| rnb | jweyrich: well, me personally? i can think of tens of millions of people who are fighting against capitalism, every single day | Jan 31 02:18 |
| jweyrich | s/now/NOT | Jan 31 02:18 |
| Eruaran | Four legs good, two legs bad... | Jan 31 02:18 |
| rnb | Eruaran: you should begin all your points with "CONFUSCIOUS SAY [...]" | Jan 31 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Orwell is a good start. | Jan 31 02:19 |
| rnb | Eruaran: look in the backlog, it works! | Jan 31 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: did you read "1984" as well? | Jan 31 02:19 |
| Eruaran | Being trite is easy isn't it | Jan 31 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | evidently.. | Jan 31 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you think these issues are 'trite' you may have the wrong channel | Jan 31 02:20 |
| *jweyrich ceases the subject | Jan 31 02:20 | |
| rnb | jweyrich: why? | Jan 31 02:20 |
| Eruaran | That is not what I said is it | Jan 31 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you happen to read "1984" as well as "Animal Farm"? | Jan 31 02:21 |
| Eruaran | Did you understand the comment | Jan 31 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was irrelevant. | Jan 31 02:21 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i have to ask ... what does your nick mean? | Jan 31 02:21 |
| jweyrich | rnb: not fan of politics. but wanted to see your point of views. | Jan 31 02:21 |
| Eruaran | Then you didn't understand it | Jan 31 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: say something with content | Jan 31 02:21 |
| rnb | jweyrich: why is it "politics" ..? we're just talking about our lives | Jan 31 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: we gave some suggestions above | Jan 31 02:22 |
| jweyrich | rnb: most people think it's JEW rich :P but I'm descendent of german and italian. jardel weyrich. | Jan 31 02:22 |
| rnb | jweyrich: it annoys me that certain topics are pigeon-holed as "politics" | Jan 31 02:22 |
| Eruaran | And I suggest you read Animal Farm again | Jan 31 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: for example, how do YOU characterise the major issues and approaches to solving them? | Jan 31 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: no need | Jan 31 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: for example, how do YOU characterise the major issues and approaches to solving them? | Jan 31 02:22 |
| rnb | jweyrich: thats what i thought :) | Jan 31 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: that's a serious q | Jan 31 02:22 |
| Eruaran | I'll leave that to you | Jan 31 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: ????? | Jan 31 02:23 |
| rnb | is Eruaran a bot? | Jan 31 02:23 |
| jweyrich | rnb: indeed, it isn't directly politics, but involves too much of it actually. | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: wouldn't you agree that's worth hearing? | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: no, i'd really like to know. | Jan 31 02:23 |
| rnb | jweyrich: what is "politics"? | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: you keep interjecting with quotations | Jan 31 02:23 |
| jweyrich | rnb: but I can continue if you want. | Jan 31 02:23 |
| Eruaran | It's commentary | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: but how do you see the problem(s) and solutions(s)? | Jan 31 02:23 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i'm interested in any lengthy, meaningful point coming out of Eruaran | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: in a PRACTICAL sense. | Jan 31 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: I'm not being tricky. it's a genuine question | Jan 31 02:23 |
| Eruaran | The problem is not political | Jan 31 02:24 |
| jweyrich | politic is a decision made by a group of people. | Jan 31 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: what *is* the problem then? | Jan 31 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | in your view | Jan 31 02:24 |
| rnb | jweyrich: ? | Jan 31 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and how should we solve it | Jan 31 02:24 |
| Eruaran | The problem is in the mirror | Jan 31 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and how should we solve it | Jan 31 02:24 |
| jweyrich | rnb: I'm lost on our conversation :) | Jan 31 02:24 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i dont understand what you mean when you say you dont like to "talk about politics" | Jan 31 02:25 |
| rnb | jweyrich: what exactly is it that you dont like to talk about? | Jan 31 02:25 |
| jweyrich | rnb: ah ok. | Jan 31 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: perhaps you underestimate the degree of introspection I am capable of. | Jan 31 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: how would you describe the status quo, around the world, in terms of wealth distribution, abuse of force, etc | Jan 31 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Eruaran: and if you see a problem, how would you try to improve it? | Jan 31 02:27 |
| jweyrich | rnb: I don't like to discuss about conflicting things within a group. I try to keep it short if I do. | Jan 31 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course, all discussion is mostly wasted time. actions count. :) | Jan 31 02:28 |
| jweyrich | I agree at certain level with that FurnaceBoy. but discussions are a necessity to prove points. inevitably. | Jan 31 02:30 |
| jweyrich | which isn't bad at all. | Jan 31 02:30 |
| rnb | some conversations are a waste of time | Jan 31 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, you won't get anywhere with some cultural groups haha | Jan 31 02:30 |
| jweyrich | truth :) | Jan 31 02:30 |
| jweyrich | I prefer the divide & conquer heh. | Jan 31 02:31 |
| rnb | but especially amongst people who 1) agree on an end goal and 2) want to take action, discussion is necessary to form "praxical cohesion" :) | Jan 31 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | "pick your battles" is good advice | Jan 31 02:31 |
| jweyrich | a single voice (theoretically) can't scream louder than a group of voices. | Jan 31 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...which is why the way one lives can be most important | Jan 31 02:32 |
| jweyrich | hence the divide and conquer. | Jan 31 02:32 |
| rnb | Chavez' call for the creation of a Fifth International, as "an instrument for the unification and the articulation of the struggle of the peoples to save this planet," takes the project to the planetary level. | Jan 31 02:33 |
| rnb | It based on a sober analysis of the social forces arrayed around the planet, with an eye to the possibility of using what institutions exist to move a progressive agenda, and to build toward the formation of a new moral-social compact such as the 1999 Venezuelan Constitution and ALBA. | Jan 31 02:33 |
| rnb | VIVA!! | Jan 31 02:34 |
| rnb | that's big news, that has been completely ignored by English language press | Jan 31 02:34 |
| rnb | the creation of a Fifth International ... we live in exciting times filled with enormous potential | Jan 31 02:35 |
| *jweyrich listening Mozart | Jan 31 02:39 | |
| rnb | but come on, what's happening in Latin America is of enormous historical significance | Jan 31 02:41 |
| rnb | tens or maybe hundreds of million of people are mobilized against all the things we hate, FurnaceBoy | Jan 31 02:42 |
| jweyrich | rnb: what do you do for living? | Jan 31 02:45 |
| rnb | jweyrich: it's complicated :) | Jan 31 02:46 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i have a business doing free software development in san francisco with a network of developers from all over latin america | Jan 31 02:47 |
| jweyrich | oh!!! that's really cool | Jan 31 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 31 02:48 |
| rnb | jweyrich: and i'm involved with a number of non-profit organizations | Jan 31 02:48 |
| jweyrich | but I suppose you have difficulties getting $ from it.. ? | Jan 31 02:48 |
| rnb | jweyrich: not at all ... san francisco has tons of work | Jan 31 02:48 |
| jweyrich | awesome! | Jan 31 02:48 |
| rnb | we have developers from brazil, ecuador, mexico, venezuela, paraguay and argentina | Jan 31 02:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @cracked A Day in America According to a (Baffled) Foreigner: http://bit.ly/8ZCOPZ - English, to be precise | Jan 31 02:50 | |
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| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: I'll probably reject the eias thing. not sure yet. | Jan 31 02:50 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: need to give an answer by feb 2nd | Jan 31 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i c | Jan 31 02:50 |
| jweyrich | i'm in the middle of a big problem with the company now. just didn't have time to study their sources | Jan 31 02:51 |
| jweyrich | it would delay everything. for both eias and me. | Jan 31 02:52 |
| jweyrich | will look forward to working with them in the future. | Jan 31 02:52 |
| jweyrich | rnb: any kind of software? | Jan 31 02:53 |
| rnb | jweyrich: mostly web applications, primarily php/mysql but any kind of free software platform | Jan 31 02:54 |
| rnb | jweyrich: but we do it all ... | Jan 31 02:55 |
| jweyrich | rnb: let me guess, you met toby from a php mailing list? | Jan 31 02:55 |
| jweyrich | php/mysql* | Jan 31 02:55 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i dont know a toby | Jan 31 02:55 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy, sorry. | Jan 31 02:56 |
| rnb | oh, heh | Jan 31 02:56 |
| rnb | no, i met FurnaceBoy here | Jan 31 02:56 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: just revealed your identity :( | Jan 31 02:56 |
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| jweyrich | rnb, FurnaceBoy: you should make business together :) | Jan 31 02:58 |
| rnb | well, i have a business :) but i give a referral fee for contracts and i'm always looking for talented free software geeks from latin america to join our network :) | Jan 31 03:02 |
| rnb | and, as soon as we update our website (this week) i will talk much more about my business in here | Jan 31 03:02 |
| rnb | jweyrich: what do you do for a living? | Jan 31 03:05 |
| jweyrich | rnb: cool. hope so | Jan 31 03:08 |
| jweyrich | rnb: I work as programmer. recently opened my own business too, focused on IT security, but we're still working on our 1st product. | Jan 31 03:09 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i have a really good friend who has a company in buenos aires and they have a really interesting IT security product | Jan 31 03:11 |
| jweyrich | rnb: what's the company name? | Jan 31 03:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: they are in stealth mode ... but i'm pretty sure their application is available for download (it's an open source product) | Jan 31 03:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i will ask him for the url & show you | Jan 31 03:12 |
| jweyrich | cool | Jan 31 03:12 |
| rnb | jweyrich: he spent 4 months or so living with me and developing it | Jan 31 03:13 |
| jweyrich | I know some argentinian from hacking conferences. | Jan 31 03:13 |
| rnb | buenos aires is attempting to build a "silicon valley of the south" ... it's called.. mm.. hold on | Jan 31 03:14 |
| jweyrich | last year I met cesar cerrudo from argeniss | Jan 31 03:16 |
| rnb | shit, i cant believe i dont remember this | Jan 31 03:16 |
| jweyrich | I met frederico kirschbaum back in 2005 or 2006. | Jan 31 03:16 |
| rnb | oh yeah! this -> | Jan 31 03:16 |
| rnb | http://palermovalley.com/blog/ | Jan 31 03:17 |
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| rnb | but ... come on, brazil is south america's internet/IT leader! :)) | Jan 31 03:17 |
| rnb | jweyrich: i REALLY want to be living in brazil | Jan 31 03:19 |
| rnb | jweyrich: but my business keeps me here | Jan 31 03:19 |
| jweyrich | well, the infrastructure isn't good compared to US and other countries. take a look at this http://ptt.br | Jan 31 03:19 |
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| rnb | jweyrich: because i have a lot of contacts in the "dot-com" world here and it's where we get the majority of our work... | Jan 31 03:19 |
| jweyrich | rnb: didn't get what palermovalley is. his company? | Jan 31 03:20 |
| rnb | ptt.br -- cool | Jan 31 03:20 |
| jweyrich | rnb: be sure you wouldn't get half of these contracts @ brazil. | Jan 31 03:20 |
| rnb | no, palermo valley is an attempt to create a kind of "silicon valley" near buenos aires | Jan 31 03:20 |
| jweyrich | ptt shows the main gateways bandwidth usage | Jan 31 03:21 |
| rnb | where there are many innovative companies, a community of programmers and so on all living there and working there | Jan 31 03:21 |
| jweyrich | except for SP, other states are very "slow". | Jan 31 03:21 |
| rnb | noooo | Jan 31 03:22 |
| rnb | brazil is the most exciting country in the world for free software | Jan 31 03:22 |
| rnb | even parana! with celepar and what they are doing | Jan 31 03:22 |
| rnb | and serpro is the largest state-owned IT firm in the americas | Jan 31 03:23 |
| jweyrich | didn't know the celepar. | Jan 31 03:23 |
| rnb | inclusao digital is also amazing | Jan 31 03:23 |
| jweyrich | brazil has a strong community, and early adopters of free technology | Jan 31 03:24 |
| rnb | you know http://softwarelivre.org/ , yes? | Jan 31 03:24 |
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| jweyrich | sure. | Jan 31 03:24 |
| jweyrich | during FISL received an invitation to collaborate with the event organization. | Jan 31 03:25 |
| rnb | brazil is the case study of how free software can replace nearly everything in enterprise organizations, government organizations, schools, etc | Jan 31 03:25 |
| rnb | my wife worked at the palacio do planalto, migrating them to all free software | Jan 31 03:25 |
| jweyrich | wow. amazing | Jan 31 03:26 |
| rnb | yeah.. unfortunately, it is dinnertime for me :) | Jan 31 03:26 |
| rnb | but we should talk about this more | Jan 31 03:26 |
| rnb | i've been working with free software / tech / media in latin america for about 10 years now | Jan 31 03:26 |
| jweyrich | np. 1am here. need to download qmake and try to fix some thing they trolls didn't :) | Jan 31 03:27 |
| jweyrich | s/they/the/ | Jan 31 03:27 |
| rnb | while at the same time, working with or involved with projects at linkedin, tagged, yahoo, facebook, etc, so i know a lot of people from that world | Jan 31 03:27 |
| jweyrich | that's cool! | Jan 31 03:28 |
| rnb | so that's why my business works.. because i'm one of the few people deeply involved in the san francisco dot-com world and the latin america free software world | Jan 31 03:28 |
| rnb | i want to do less and less work for VC-funded companies in san francisco | Jan 31 03:28 |
| jweyrich | past year I was wishing to move to US, but I didn't find a good niche / opportunity. | Jan 31 03:28 |
| rnb | and more and more work doing government projects in brazil & venzuela | Jan 31 03:29 |
| jweyrich | maybe I move this year, I hope so. | Jan 31 03:29 |
| rnb | i could try to help you with that | Jan 31 03:29 |
| rnb | we should talk more about what exactly you want to do | Jan 31 03:29 |
| jweyrich | great!! | Jan 31 03:29 |
| jweyrich | I appreciate. | Jan 31 03:29 |
| rnb | sure, cant promise anything because the US are jerks about visas lately | Jan 31 03:30 |
| rnb | -especially- from brazil | Jan 31 03:30 |
| jweyrich | yeah, that's the major problem I faced. | Jan 31 03:30 |
| rnb | but you arent from minais gerais, so that helps :) | Jan 31 03:30 |
| jweyrich | HAHAHA | Jan 31 03:30 |
| jweyrich | why that? | Jan 31 03:30 |
| rnb | for some reason, US immigration REALLY discriminates against people from MG, especially belo horizonte | Jan 31 03:31 |
| jweyrich | didn't have a clue about that. interesting. | Jan 31 03:31 |
| rnb | yeah.. its weird | Jan 31 03:31 |
| rnb | its all based on statistics and formulas that they come up with | Jan 31 03:31 |
| jweyrich | I could spend 6 months @ italy to get my citizenship. but that's not easy as well. | Jan 31 03:32 |
| rnb | ok i gotta go | Jan 31 03:32 |
| rnb | we talk later | Jan 31 03:32 |
| jweyrich | alright. bon apetit! | Jan 31 03:32 |
| rnb | i'll pvt you my email | Jan 31 03:32 |
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| oiaohm | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT I just noticed something. | Jan 31 03:47 |
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| oiaohm | The december blance sheet for 2009 is missing. | Jan 31 03:47 |
| oiaohm | This is very much the big E | Jan 31 03:48 |
| oiaohm | The big E made public annonce ments they had big profits but no data turned up in the share market then they disappeared. | Jan 31 03:48 |
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| chad_ | does anyone know about linux on xbox | Jan 31 04:04 |
| oiaohm | What xbox chad_ | Jan 31 04:05 |
| chad_ | original | Jan 31 04:05 |
| chad_ | or to run on a wii but still be able to play games | Jan 31 04:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page << That site has all the instructions. | Jan 31 04:06 |
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| chad_ | been to that page i bought mechassult after a guy at staples told me it was possible but apparently the disk is a newer version any way to download a disk that could run from boot on its own | Jan 31 04:08 |
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| oiaohm | You really have to follow the howto chad_. There are differences between versions. chad_ | Jan 31 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Some you can use game save breaching and the like to get the Linux boot loader in there chad_ | Jan 31 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Some cases you will want a mod chip | Jan 31 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Also if you had read the how to you would know that only particular versions of mechassult work chad_ | Jan 31 04:14 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Getting_Started#9 << chad_ | Jan 31 04:14 |
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| oiaohm | Nothing is 100 percent straight forward when breaking into things. | Jan 31 04:15 |
| chad_ | yeah i stopped and picked up the only one they had at gamestop and ms stopped supporting everything about the original unlike sony much better product support | Jan 31 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Yep most likely got patched version chad_ | Jan 31 04:17 |
| oiaohm | http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_setup Breaking into wii consoles is simpler. | Jan 31 04:18 |
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| chad_ | yeah like i said i read the page after i had bought the game (it was only a dollar) one of the pages i read and i read about 5 different ones told me the number on the bottom of the disk | Jan 31 04:19 |
| chad_ | i was hoping someone would know another way | Jan 31 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Weld a mod chip on and directly load the Linux loader in chad_ | Jan 31 04:19 |
| chad_ | will that disable the game playing its for my stepson to have his own pc but he still wants to play games | Jan 31 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Depends on mod chip | Jan 31 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Lots can run duel bios. | Jan 31 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie 1 bios for Linux 1 bios for Xbox normal. | Jan 31 04:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canada haz a Fox News! http://ur1.ca/l4as #douchebags | Jan 31 04:22 | |
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| oiaohm | Its why I hate anti mod chip countries. chad_ | Jan 31 04:25 |
| oiaohm | When the hardware becomes unsupported without mod chips sometimes you cannot recycle them into something else useful. | Jan 31 04:25 |
| chad_ | where can i get modchips for xbox i live in fl, usa | Jan 31 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Your screwed | Jan 31 04:29 |
| oiaohm | USA is one of the places Australia cannot ship mod chips. | Jan 31 04:29 |
| chad_ | why is that i have a friend who had a moded xbox | Jan 31 04:30 |
| chad_ | and i think i am understanding the wii it is added as a channel will that mess up anything for gameplay | Jan 31 04:31 |
| oiaohm | A few years ago Australia mod chip maker was shipping to the usa. | Jan 31 04:31 |
| chad_ | i see and ms got mad i'm guessing | Jan 31 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Ended up in the USA court fighting a DCMA charge chad_ | Jan 31 04:31 |
| chad_ | dcma???? | Jan 31 04:32 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act | Jan 31 04:32 |
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| oiaohm | One letter backwards sorry chad_ | Jan 31 04:32 |
| chad_ | ok sorry | Jan 31 04:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically your laws for mod chip makers is not fun. | Jan 31 04:33 |
| chad_ | yeah usa is all about big corporation bs | Jan 31 04:34 |
| oiaohm | I don't know if mod chips loaded with chromwell would be outside the problem. | Jan 31 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that chromwell image does not allow games to run. | Jan 31 04:35 |
| chad_ | thats why the gov bailed out the big banks and the auto manufacturers | Jan 31 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Its just to run Linux. | Jan 31 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie firmware on board would still have to be used to run games. | Jan 31 04:36 |
| chad_ | that would be bad and i think thats what it said | Jan 31 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie chromwell addon cards can be turned on and off. | Jan 31 04:36 |
| oiaohm | So switch one way it boots from the mod chip | Jan 31 04:37 |
| chad_ | ok that would be good i will have to figure out how to get one | Jan 31 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Switch the other it boots as it always use to. | Jan 31 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Mind you the australian was shipping in a firmware that allowed playing backups. chad_ | Jan 31 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Perfectly legal in Australia. | Jan 31 04:38 |
| chad_ | yeah i know and international trade gets tricky with the us same thing with canada and us perscription drugs | Jan 31 04:39 |
| chad_ | do you know anything about the 360 and linux | Jan 31 04:45 |
| oiaohm | That is free60.org and its a bugger. | Jan 31 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Must have the right version kernel to get in chad_ | Jan 31 04:49 |
| chad_ | yeah i read some of that | Jan 31 04:52 |
| chad_ | ms sucks they have all kinds of bugs and viruses on the pc software but not in the xbox | Jan 31 04:52 |
| chad_ | i guess in a way it makes it the only truly good thing they have made | Jan 31 04:53 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ozmodchips.com/samsung-kreon-drive-to-make-360-backups-p-232.html Don't underestmate the creativity of australians. | Jan 31 04:55 |
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| oiaohm | xbox 360 disks perfect copies. | Jan 31 04:56 |
| oiaohm | That is the stupid part all these TPM chips don't stop people pirating the stuff really. | Jan 31 04:57 |
| chad_ | yeah so if i know some one that moved to au from usa could she ship a chipset to me | Jan 31 04:58 |
| oiaohm | there will be other suppliers. | Jan 31 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Always will be. | Jan 31 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Fun thing here is the old xbox was regional coded. | Jan 31 04:59 |
| oiaohm | so that made it fair game to be mod chipped. | Jan 31 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Since regional coding is classed as descrimitation and illegal under australian law. | Jan 31 05:00 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like releasing devices here that are illegal so you cannot protect you TPM method. | Jan 31 05:00 |
| chad_ | what i am asking is would having an aussie fed ex the mod chip to me would i get in trouble | Jan 31 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Could | Jan 31 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Better to get it like directly out of china where people cannot be pulled into a USA court. | Jan 31 05:01 |
| chad_ | ok i will look for some from china | Jan 31 05:02 |
| oiaohm | There might be some in the USA | Jan 31 05:03 |
| oiaohm | They were trying to put a mod chip designer here out of business. | Jan 31 05:03 |
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| chad_ | what do you think the chances are | Jan 31 05:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] This is what happends when i enter #emacs-in http://pastebin.ca/1772824 @abbe rocks :D | Jan 31 06:52 | |
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| schestowitz | > More wild drug stories. | Jan 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/nicholas_cleared/ | Jan 31 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > District judge Cormac Carney however noted Nicholas' former bacchanalian lifestyle, saying: "From the evidence... as well as what's been attained from the pretrial services, it does seem that you had a serious drug problem. You paid dearly for that. You lost your marriage, you lost your job, your reputation has been tarnished, but from what I gather you've been clean and sober for two years and I commend you for that." | Jan 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not sure how he got out of those charges which were laid in 2007. It must be that only poor people go to jail for drug use. Other, more serious charges are on appeal. Shame on The Register for a sloppy article. The commendation for not being an ass is sickening. | Jan 31 09:13 |
| schestowitz | I've just gotten a long "Inquiry Regarding Boycott Novell" | Jan 31 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's time to redo the site's structure in some ways | Jan 31 09:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to ask, if your website is being properly displayed, because it appears as if something is wrong. | Jan 31 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I have provided an inline screen shot below to let you see, okay. | Jan 31 09:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 09:30 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: i guess you can implement some custom theme for the site right ? a personal opinion, some minimalism might just do the trick there, you got lots of content, adding too many bling bling images and so on, wouldn't help those with tighter bandwidth | Jan 31 09:34 |
| MarcusKoze | or i think that "inquiry" means the broken background from the top, where's that banner with no links, under the top-most links | Jan 31 09:35 |
| Eruaran | I haven't noticed any problems since the other day | Jan 31 09:41 |
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| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: the issue is: | Jan 31 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Some people thing it's just theme switching | Jan 31 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Or content tweaks | Jan 31 09:46 |
| schestowitz | But I have over 10000 pages | Jan 31 09:46 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/31/boycott-novell-makeover/ | Jan 31 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted | Jan 31 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: the site is not easy to navigate. I want to make the information more easily accessible | Jan 31 09:47 |
| schestowitz | "As your readers will notice, there appears to be some margin error, showing a light grey shadow edge running along the right side of your blog. Also, the popup doesn’t go away, regarding the “Roy Schestowitz” element. " | Jan 31 09:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Can anyone tell me the band singing this please? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpz2aebGBM - no, its not Megadeath. #metal #90stweet #rock | Jan 31 09:48 | |
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| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: there's still a bottom padding (or margin from the inner-links/wrappers of the links) on that div with id=""headmenu | Jan 31 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | re the margins, That's the correct layout | Jan 31 09:50 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 09:50 |
| schestowitz | does anyone have issues with the popups? I think it's a browser issue this reader was having. The popups are supposed to give preview of what people hover over | Jan 31 09:50 |
| MarcusKoze | but it dislocates the top background with horizontal repeat from the page wrapper | Jan 31 09:50 |
| MarcusKoze | what popups ? | Jan 31 09:50 |
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| MarcusKoze | you mean those black labels over the links ? | Jan 31 09:51 |
| MarcusKoze | perhaps the guy uses ie ;)) | Jan 31 09:51 |
| schestowitz | [09:49] <MarcusKoze> schestowitz: there's still a bottom padding (or margin from the inner-links/wrappers of the links) on that div with id=""headmenu | Jan 31 09:51 |
| schestowitz | I think I see what you mean | Jan 31 09:52 |
| MarcusKoze | havent inspected the elements inside, let me do that | Jan 31 09:52 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: no, it's a FOSS guy. Maybe some 'Linux browser' like Epiphany | Jan 31 09:52 |
| MarcusKoze | well, i dont have any issues on ffox 3.5.7 | Jan 31 09:53 |
| MarcusKoze | so from what i see there are links directly inserted into that div #headmenu | Jan 31 09:54 |
| MarcusKoze | for a more semantic layout you could replace the div with a ul tag and wrap the links in li | Jan 31 09:54 |
| MarcusKoze | but anyway, just a suggestion | Jan 31 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. I see what you mean | Jan 31 09:55 |
| schestowitz | It goes back _over two years ago_ | Jan 31 09:55 |
| schestowitz | I focused too much on writing content, not much on how it's presented | Jan 31 09:56 |
| MarcusKoze | so div #headmenu | Jan 31 09:56 |
| MarcusKoze | has a height specified of 60px | Jan 31 09:56 |
| MarcusKoze | it's twice as much as it needs | Jan 31 09:56 |
| MarcusKoze | anyway | Jan 31 09:56 |
| MarcusKoze | could work with nbo height at all | Jan 31 09:56 |
| schestowitz | We'll need to change the site some time soon. | Jan 31 09:57 |
| MarcusKoze | just apply some padding-top of around 8px and it'll be cute and ergonomic | Jan 31 09:57 |
| schestowitz | I'll incorporate a lot what what a person suggested. | Jan 31 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | He wrote to me this huge analysis with images and everything... like 10 screen 'loads' | Jan 31 09:57 |
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| MarcusKoze | yeah well tried to be of help if possible, html/css is my main profession | Jan 31 09:58 |
| MarcusKoze | aw, like the YSlow analysis ? | Jan 31 09:58 |
| MarcusKoze | use sprites and so on ? | Jan 31 09:58 |
| schestowitz | The issue if the div's background | Jan 31 09:59 |
| schestowitz | If I extend with padding it would not look right | Jan 31 09:59 |
| MarcusKoze | also could replace that image for the logo with a h1 tag and just have it's background set to the logo image | Jan 31 09:59 |
| MarcusKoze | what do you mean ? | Jan 31 10:00 |
| MarcusKoze | remove the height property first | Jan 31 10:00 |
| MarcusKoze | from the css | Jan 31 10:00 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jan 31 10:00 |
| schestowitz | I see what you mean... | Jan 31 10:00 |
| MarcusKoze | hm, or actually leave the height for 30px | Jan 31 10:01 |
| Eruaran | The wiki page or the blog ? | Jan 31 10:01 |
| schestowitz | In the html, should I do inline syle? | Jan 31 10:01 |
| Eruaran | sry was afk | Jan 31 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: blog | Jan 31 10:01 |
| MarcusKoze | not recvommended | Jan 31 10:01 |
| schestowitz | style="padding..;"? | Jan 31 10:01 |
| MarcusKoze | well, noone is gouing to kill you for that, but not recomended | Jan 31 10:01 |
| MarcusKoze | can you edit the css ? | Jan 31 10:02 |
| MarcusKoze | it'd be much better | Jan 31 10:02 |
| MarcusKoze | it's the central styling source (the css file) | Jan 31 10:02 |
| MarcusKoze | much easier to apply changes there | Jan 31 10:02 |
| Eruaran | I don't think its that bad really, just a little busy | Jan 31 10:02 |
| Eruaran | A blog style page is easier on the eyes if there's not so much stuff on the page trying to grab your attention | Jan 31 10:04 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: yes, I do that now | Jan 31 10:05 |
| schestowitz | But the CSS is being cached which makes it hard to test | Jan 31 10:05 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 31 10:05 |
| MarcusKoze | well, CTRL + F5 then :) | Jan 31 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Not browser cache | Jan 31 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Server-side cache | Jan 31 10:05 |
| MarcusKoze | or clean the cache with the browser tool | Jan 31 10:05 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 31 10:05 |
| schestowitz | The site was getting hammed before we did that | Jan 31 10:06 |
| MarcusKoze | ah shift ... | Jan 31 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should leave it as it is? | Jan 31 10:06 |
| MarcusKoze | well... ok then | Jan 31 10:06 |
| schestowitz | It would be painful to change | Jan 31 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Most of the changes are to content | Jan 31 10:06 |
| schestowitz | I always get some haters of the theme | Jan 31 10:06 |
| MarcusKoze | i see | Jan 31 10:06 |
| Eruaran | There's a few things on the page that can reasonably disappear under fewer main title headings | Jan 31 10:07 |
| MarcusKoze | well, it's your site :) | Jan 31 10:07 |
| schestowitz | I've personally liked this theme before Boycott Novell even existed | Jan 31 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Based on what I see, most people don't navigate much through menus | Jan 31 10:07 |
| schestowitz | They read the content pages (Wiki, then main blog) | Jan 31 10:07 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jan 31 10:07 |
| schestowitz | From the blog they follow through to other blog items linked inside | Jan 31 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Not the sidebars | Jan 31 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Hardly ever | Jan 31 10:08 |
| schestowitz | I can't check anymore | Jan 31 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | Cause all the requests come from a proxy | Jan 31 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Cache proxy | Jan 31 10:08 |
| MarcusKoze | how do you clear the cache from the server ? | Jan 31 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "In addition, the page boarder, doesn’t blend into the background (E6EEEE). All that is needed here is to use the correct color of the background with a drop shadow applied on top. You could use a transparent png file to achieve this result too, so you know." | Jan 31 10:10 |
| MarcusKoze | can you do that ? | Jan 31 10:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what the intended effect is | Jan 31 10:11 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: not easily, no | Jan 31 10:11 |
| schestowitz | It's on a separate server/VM | Jan 31 10:11 |
| MarcusKoze | probably just that, the background from the main page wrpapper sould overlap the one from the #headmenu div | Jan 31 10:12 |
| MarcusKoze | ok | Jan 31 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know what he means | Jan 31 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Just cosmetic | Jan 31 10:12 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah | Jan 31 10:12 |
| MarcusKoze | but also the semantics could be well improved | Jan 31 10:12 |
| schestowitz | It looks like a box on top of the background | Jan 31 10:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm generally ok with that. I don't want to make yet another PNG (bloat) | Jan 31 10:12 |
| MarcusKoze | i hate those themes, made by great designers, yet implemented by well... rookies in html/css coders | Jan 31 10:13 |
| MarcusKoze | no, no png | Jan 31 10:13 |
| MarcusKoze | actually | Jan 31 10:13 |
| schestowitz | See top of http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/29/irc-log-29012010/ | Jan 31 10:14 |
| MarcusKoze | the div #headmenu height of 60px is ok | Jan 31 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | The caches pages will still show the top old banner with the exclamation mark | Jan 31 10:14 |
| MarcusKoze | you'd need a negative margin-top of 30px for the main content wrpapper | Jan 31 10:14 |
| MarcusKoze | let me see what id is that ... | Jan 31 10:14 |
| MarcusKoze | aw lol, it's #wrapper :) | Jan 31 10:15 |
| MarcusKoze | that one needs a margin-top: -30px | Jan 31 10:15 |
| MarcusKoze | in order to overlap top headmenu background and restore it to the original design intent of the theme author | Jan 31 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm removing the thing that says: <em>Listed from October 23<sup><u>rd</u></sup> 2007 onwards, pingbacks and trackbacks (external) are omitted</em> | Jan 31 10:15 |
| MarcusKoze | i hope you understant what i mean heh | Jan 31 10:15 |
| schestowitz | That's over 2 years old :-) :-) | Jan 31 10:16 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: can I change that to -30 now? | Jan 31 10:16 |
| schestowitz | As I said, I can hardly test changes | Jan 31 10:17 |
| MarcusKoze | yes | Jan 31 10:17 |
| MarcusKoze | well | Jan 31 10:17 |
| schestowitz | I made those changes a long, long time ago | Jan 31 10:17 |
| MarcusKoze | if you remove that old line of text, why couldnt you apply these changes too | Jan 31 10:17 |
| MarcusKoze | my personal opinion i mean | Jan 31 10:17 |
| MarcusKoze | it'd be nice to have the theme as smooth as the author intended | Jan 31 10:18 |
| MarcusKoze | These are the original css declaration (as they are now): | Jan 31 10:19 |
| MarcusKoze | #wrapper { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 760px; background: #FFF url(http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/wrapper.gif) repeat-y; text-align: left; } #headmenu { height: 60px; background: url(http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/head.png) repeat-x; font-size: 1.0em; color: #333; } | Jan 31 10:19 |
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| MarcusKoze | here's what i'd suggest: | Jan 31 10:19 |
| MarcusKoze | #wrapper { margin: -30px auto auto auto; width: 760px; background: #FFF url(http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/wrapper.gif) repeat-y; text-align: left; } | Jan 31 10:20 |
| MarcusKoze | #headmenu { height: 52px; padding-top: 8px; background: url(http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/head.png) repeat-x; font-size: 1.0em; color: #333; } | Jan 31 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | ok, let's try it | Jan 31 10:21 |
| schestowitz | OK, applied | Jan 31 10:23 |
| MarcusKoze | i still receive the old things | Jan 31 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 31 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Cache | Jan 31 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Let's wait and see what happens when it expires | Jan 31 10:24 |
| MarcusKoze | aw and i see the header image (the one with ballmer and hovsepian) is edited at the top, doesnt blend that well with the top | Jan 31 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I used to have Firefox extensions for on-the-fly css changes | Jan 31 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Do you have it? | Jan 31 10:25 |
| MarcusKoze | you cutted it ? | Jan 31 10:25 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, firebug and web developer | Jan 31 10:25 |
| MarcusKoze | colorzilla, measureit etc | Jan 31 10:25 |
| MarcusKoze | from my experiments, i think you;d better change that margin-top to -18px | Jan 31 10:26 |
| MarcusKoze | instead of the -30px | Jan 31 10:26 |
| MarcusKoze | because the header image with ballmer and hovsepian isnt blending as it should've with the top background | Jan 31 10:27 |
| MarcusKoze | sorry for that, from the first look it looked as if it'd overlap ok with tthe -30px | Jan 31 10:27 |
| MarcusKoze | and well that should do it for now | Jan 31 10:28 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | Jan 31 10:30 |
| schestowitz | #wrapper { margin: -18px auto auto auto; width: 760px; background: #FFF url(http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/wrapper.gif) repeat-y; text-align: left; } | Jan 31 10:30 |
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| MarcusKoze | yup | Jan 31 10:31 |
| schestowitz | "I think this website has a lot to offer, if only the content layout was updated. Example, very few of your readers are using 800x600 screen resolution, so you really don’t need to reduce the content to that screen resolution. The font size is a bit small, for your readers. Think of using Font size 14, it’s a standard too. " | Jan 31 10:31 |
| schestowitz | That layout if silly | Jan 31 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Fixed width, not liquid | Jan 31 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Same in my blog.. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog | Jan 31 10:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: schestowitz.com .::. Size~: 44.24 KB | Jan 31 10:31 |
| MarcusKoze | we could sketch some neat simple and minimal layout if you wish | Jan 31 10:32 |
| schestowitz | It would spoil some older pages | Jan 31 10:32 |
| MarcusKoze | but gee, i'm a very very minimal guy, must i warn you :) | Jan 31 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Some depend even on the background colour | Jan 31 10:32 |
| MarcusKoze | ok then | Jan 31 10:32 |
| schestowitz | That's why we never changed | Jan 31 10:33 |
| schestowitz | It would leave older pages look worse | Jan 31 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Same with font size | Jan 31 10:33 |
| MarcusKoze | well, that sort of dependency isnt the right way to go | Jan 31 10:33 |
| MarcusKoze | have some examples of such restrictions ? | Jan 31 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Some content is build to accommodate fonts, such as images on the side that require enough text next to them | Jan 31 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Take this for example: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/ubuntu-and-msft-search/ | Jan 31 10:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Ubuntu GNU/Linux Should Not Make Microsoft Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 126.87 KB | Jan 31 10:34 |
| schestowitz | The blockquote.... | Jan 31 10:34 |
| schestowitz | OOPS. | Jan 31 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I mean, dropquote | Jan 31 10:34 |
| schestowitz | If the font is made too small, that makes a poor fit | Jan 31 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Also, the backlground picture for these elements matter | Jan 31 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | whats a dropquote ? | Jan 31 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | that quote from the end of the articel ? | Jan 31 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Hanging quotes on the side | Jan 31 10:35 |
| MarcusKoze | not a native english speaker here :) | Jan 31 10:35 |
| schestowitz | And hanging caps also rely on text size sometimes | Jan 31 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "Since the website is about the boycott of Novell (???), do we really need to see an advertisement placed above the content? That just looks cheap and it’s annoying, as the readers are already there viewing www.boycottnovell.com, and surely don’t need this reminder while on www.boycottnovell.com, right?" | Jan 31 10:35 |
| schestowitz | That's an obvious one | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | But Shane created it | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | A long, long time ago | Jan 31 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't feel it would be easy to remove that | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "I hope you will NOT be offended to have a reader of the website provide you constructive criticism? In addition, there are few more thoughts I like to add and pass along, so that your effort is improved okay?" | Jan 31 10:36 |
| MarcusKoze | well i'd agree with that one, that banners scratches my eyes | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | This person has been helpful (like you!) | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Sent heaps of material | Jan 31 10:36 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: I removed that banner after wanting to do it for years | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | yes, from the /?stories page | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | but | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | it still shows in the detailed article | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | page | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | at least on my side hetre | Jan 31 10:37 |
| MarcusKoze | is it from the cache, or you havent got to edit the article template ? | Jan 31 10:38 |
| MarcusKoze | uhm, it's wordpress as the blog engine, right ? | Jan 31 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "It would be more helpful here to reduce the clutter, bloat whatever you want to call those advertisements. I’m referring about the huge RSS icon, and well, your predominately placed author photo block. It’s like a huge advertisement… almost as big as the main topic article! This is called a billboard, which actually reduces the content." | Jan 31 10:38 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: cause it's cached (main page) | Jan 31 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | It'll vanish (the banner) in the next update | Jan 31 10:39 |
| MarcusKoze | roger that | Jan 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm still waiting for CSS to expire | Jan 31 10:39 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, well the guy has some points there, i must say | Jan 31 10:39 |
| MarcusKoze | that theme is a bit uhm ... cant find the word ... busy, cluttered | Jan 31 10:40 |
| MarcusKoze | is that correct ? | Jan 31 10:40 |
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| MarcusKoze | i mean a lot of stuff on too little space, could use some whitespace there | Jan 31 10:40 |
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| MarcusKoze | if we'd disect the matter to that level :) | Jan 31 10:40 |
| schestowitz | The right-right side pane coule be used differently | Jan 31 10:41 |
| schestowitz | *could | Jan 31 10:41 |
| MarcusKoze | well the theme itself actually seems to waste space with those pseudo-transparent blue rounded-corners boxes | Jan 31 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | imo | Jan 31 10:42 |
| schestowitz | I'm removing some :-) | Jan 31 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | clutters the whole sidebar | Jan 31 10:42 |
| MarcusKoze | i didnt mean the content from the sidebar, but those bixes | Jan 31 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | boxes* | Jan 31 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | that blue background | Jan 31 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | look, check the Journalist 1.9 theme | Jan 31 10:43 |
| MarcusKoze | that'd be much better | Jan 31 10:44 |
| MarcusKoze | i used it for a personal blog (2 posts and it remained left in obscurity :) ) | Jan 31 10:44 |
| schestowitz | We can hardly change themes | Jan 31 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Too much baggage | Jan 31 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to, trust me | Jan 31 10:45 |
| MarcusKoze | oh | Jan 31 10:45 |
| MarcusKoze | ok then | Jan 31 10:45 |
| MarcusKoze | :- | Jan 31 10:45 |
| MarcusKoze | :-? | Jan 31 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna make a cleaner sidebar :-) | Jan 31 10:45 |
| schestowitz | You make a good suggestion... | Jan 31 10:46 |
| MarcusKoze | but what do you mean too myuch baggage actually ? | Jan 31 10:46 |
| MarcusKoze | too many widgets ? | Jan 31 10:46 |
| MarcusKoze | roy, doesnt that cache expire when you edit some article or add new ones ? | Jan 31 10:48 |
| MarcusKoze | you could just edit and save some article to clear the cache | Jan 31 10:48 |
| MarcusKoze | then access the homepage to regenerate the cache i guess | Jan 31 10:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm making some icons... | Jan 31 10:51 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: the "baggage" reference is posts I can't test with the new layout | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Like.... sometimes I do things that assume the theme | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Like when I made a 'dropquote' | Jan 31 10:52 |
| MarcusKoze | aw, ok i understand now | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Then I need enough text to fill the rest | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | I know it's bad practice, but... | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes I see other people's site after they had changed themes | Jan 31 10:52 |
| schestowitz | It looks OK.... for NEW posts | Jan 31 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Then in old ones you see charsets done wron^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hg | Jan 31 10:53 |
| schestowitz | And some stuff that doesn't come up looking perfect cause it was never seen under the new theme | Jan 31 10:53 |
| schestowitz | In my own blog I have had the same theme since 2004 | Jan 31 10:53 |
| schestowitz | I was an early wordpress users | Jan 31 10:53 |
| schestowitz | And I adapted my theme at the time to newer (proper) themes in WP later | Jan 31 10:54 |
| MarcusKoze | but you could ask the readers help to spot those issues and report them | Jan 31 10:54 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm sure you'd get some help | Jan 31 10:54 |
| MarcusKoze | i would for sure | Jan 31 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | yes, that's what I do now | Jan 31 11:03 |
| schestowitz | In a way.... | Jan 31 11:03 |
| schestowitz | See top right @ http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/29/turbolinux-is-dead/ | Jan 31 11:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Turbolinux is History After Microsoft Patent Deal | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.21 KB | Jan 31 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I changed some stuff there | Jan 31 11:04 |
| MarcusKoze | hey, thats cleaner ! | Jan 31 11:06 |
| MarcusKoze | good one there | Jan 31 11:06 |
| MarcusKoze | the RSS icon could go in that empty right-corner | Jan 31 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll make the images smaller | Jan 31 11:08 |
| MarcusKoze | above those caps you cleaned | Jan 31 11:08 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: yes | Jan 31 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Just above recent posts | Jan 31 11:08 |
| MarcusKoze | i was thinking in the top right corner | Jan 31 11:09 |
| MarcusKoze | it's empty anyway | Jan 31 11:09 |
| MarcusKoze | to the right of ballmer's image | Jan 31 11:09 |
| MarcusKoze | let that rss icon haunt his existance | Jan 31 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 31 11:10 |
| schestowitz | <div id="rss"> | Jan 31 11:10 |
| schestowitz | You can say I did this ages ago in a rush | Jan 31 11:10 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, the div starts only right to the bodt | Jan 31 11:11 |
| schestowitz | ROn and Steve are in the header | Jan 31 11:11 |
| MarcusKoze | i cant see the div id=rss | Jan 31 11:13 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 31 11:13 |
| MarcusKoze | now i see it | Jan 31 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... even images get cached | Jan 31 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 31 11:18 |
| schestowitz | css cache expired | Jan 31 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Looking excellent, MarcusKoze. Thanks so much! | Jan 31 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Try http://boycottnovell.com/?44444444555 | Jan 31 11:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight, Silverlight and secret Novell pact with Microsoft. .::. Size~: 167.03 KB | Jan 31 11:19 |
| schestowitz | To override cache | Jan 31 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | glad to help | Jan 31 11:19 |
| MarcusKoze | nice icons on the right | Jan 31 11:20 |
| MarcusKoze | found no rss icon from the same set ? | Jan 31 11:20 |
| MarcusKoze | even if blue, but could be even nicer to be consistent | Jan 31 11:20 |
| schestowitz | the icons are now 40x40 | Jan 31 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Still cached though | Jan 31 11:21 |
| MarcusKoze | tried editing the last article ? | Jan 31 11:21 |
| MarcusKoze | just open for edit, add a blank space and ... save | Jan 31 11:22 |
| MarcusKoze | maybe that'd trigger the cache from the server to be purged and regenerated on the next access | Jan 31 11:22 |
| schestowitz | It won't work for the images | Jan 31 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Just WordPress cache | Jan 31 11:22 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jan 31 11:22 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 11:23 |
| MarcusKoze | well, i think renaming the images (to the same name) | Jan 31 11:23 |
| MarcusKoze | could purge the cache for imgs too | Jan 31 11:23 |
| MarcusKoze | but that'd mean clicking on each and add some bl;ank char and save then remove that char | Jan 31 11:24 |
| MarcusKoze | :-? | Jan 31 11:24 |
| MarcusKoze | eh, let it go naturally | Jan 31 11:24 |
| MarcusKoze | by itself | Jan 31 11:24 |
| MarcusKoze | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/29/turbolinux-is-dead/ that banner isnt out | Jan 31 11:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Turbolinux is History After Microsoft Patent Deal | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.21 KB | Jan 31 11:26 |
| schestowitz | "Think when your driving out in the park, wanting to see the view, when it’s obstructed by a huge billboard, advertising the place you just left to escape! LOL…" | Jan 31 11:27 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: yes, cause it's caches | Jan 31 11:27 |
| schestowitz | *cached | Jan 31 11:27 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, but now overlaps the header image :) | Jan 31 11:27 |
| MarcusKoze | due to that negative margin on the div #wrapper | Jan 31 11:27 |
| MarcusKoze | try that trick with renaming that banner | Jan 31 11:28 |
| schestowitz | "Please consider present the articles with some modern order, thinking a time line would be useful on the top of your content… That way, everything fits into it’s section. The website can link relevant material by additional categories, such as court cases, business partners and or associations, just anything that clarifies the information." | Jan 31 11:28 |
| schestowitz | That's what takes ages | Jan 31 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Classification | Jan 31 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Even Groklaw struggled with it, and it has far fewer posts | Jan 31 11:28 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 31 11:28 |
| MarcusKoze | good thing you got tags at least | Jan 31 11:28 |
| schestowitz | It's simple when sites are 5 pages | Jan 31 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Many "online identity" sites are like that | Jan 31 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Slap some theme, CMS, create some page, test, done | Jan 31 11:29 |
| schestowitz | And then you do site:http://example.org to find just about 20 pages indexed | Jan 31 11:29 |
| schestowitz | It's different when there are tens of thousands of pages and no consistent CMS | Jan 31 11:29 |
| schestowitz | My personal site has about 8 CMSs | Jan 31 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | well, anyway, i strongly think that a restructures / redesigned site theme could help a lot in reorganizing stuff around | Jan 31 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | and make things easier to access and so on | Jan 31 11:30 |
| schestowitz | A site theme would not addsemantics | Jan 31 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | well, add the semanticsa in the templates | Jan 31 11:30 |
| MarcusKoze | and layouts files | Jan 31 11:30 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: I consider making CSS /options/ but it was tricky to implement, so I gave up | Jan 31 11:30 |
| schestowitz | It also need cookies | Jan 31 11:30 |
| schestowitz | *needs | Jan 31 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | i'll work on a minimal "theme" (blank html/css) , if you'll like it oki doki | Jan 31 11:31 |
| schestowitz | "Also, the section regarding “If your new to this site” should be assumed everyone is, at least while on the introductory page, right? It would be helpful here to setup the argument against the enemy, be Microsoft or proprietary software." | Jan 31 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | fluid / liquid layout | Jan 31 11:32 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, not many people visit the front page as new visitors | Jan 31 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | well i know that i only go directly to /?stories page | Jan 31 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | everytime | Jan 31 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | never go to the wiki / root page | Jan 31 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "Those pictures (motto icons) whatever their really called, don’t present the clear meaning behind the purpose. That’s been one of the evils of Linux, because all those geek names, weird names, doesn’t make sense to the general end user. " | Jan 31 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "I realize you don’t come up with these names, so each one should have it’s own section, explain briefly in a sentence or two what it’s about, and then an explanation in greater detail in another section, that expands or something, etc…" | Jan 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I guess I should change some linkage there | Jan 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft as you know, loves to FUD the public. That causes disinformation to be taken as fact. The free software movement, would advance more if people could relate more to their cause, by having a place to get the facts, without the FUD Microsoft PUSHES using their own propaganda! " | Jan 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | "Example, when purchasing a new PC, how many of those consumers are going to understand the difference between “open source code” from “evil proprietary code”? Shouldn’t the customer and or consumers be part of the solution here as well?" | Jan 31 11:35 |
| schestowitz | "Another point to make, the website is English only… Microsoft is a monopoly in NOT just English speaking countries, but also in just about all the countries of the world. So why shouldn’t your website educate the rest of the world, by reaching out?" | Jan 31 11:35 |
| MarcusKoze | hm, need translations ? | Jan 31 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the front page (wiki) can be made multi-lingual with Google Translation links? | Jan 31 11:36 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: yes, at least ones of the explanation of why Novell is bad | Jan 31 11:36 |
| schestowitz | It's just a few sentences | Jan 31 11:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/ | Jan 31 11:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 22.88 KB | Jan 31 11:37 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, well it'd use some human editing (mean the google translations, they tend to be gibberish blabber from Mars) | Jan 31 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I guess if someone lands on the site and only comes to something in his/her language that's concise, it would be effective | Jan 31 11:37 |
| MarcusKoze | surely could help | Jan 31 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask readers for translations | Jan 31 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... | Jan 31 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | OK, that's done. http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/31/polyglots-request/ | Jan 31 12:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Translations Needed | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.2 KB | Jan 31 12:05 |
| schestowitz | "Did you know Vietnam, has made it their official policy NEVER to allow Microsoft proprietary in any of their government departments or agencies! Vietnam supports “open source code” solutions instead! You could advance your campaign with their help. Vietnam doesn’t even need to reform proprietary software, it only needs to show how to USE “open source” software instead! Think about that, because in the U.S., the consumers | Jan 31 12:06 |
| schestowitz | are still stuck on honey, as if like bees! " | Jan 31 12:06 |
| schestowitz | "France and Germany are also firm believers in “open source software” too. So maybe, you will consider reforming the website, as a suggestion to include the help of other readers to make the website material available in their language too?" | Jan 31 12:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if this is true about peru: | Jan 31 12:07 |
| schestowitz | You do know Microsoft is introducing “Starter Editions” in third world countries, aimed specifically at students, right? Microsoft is shaping the minds of their future customers. Even in places like Peru, were they bribe public officials, with lots of money, to get their software, such as Windows and Office into the schools. | Jan 31 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Jan 31 12:07 |
| schestowitz | The above is a quote | Jan 31 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | > Another point, by selecting the title of the website as “Boycott | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | > Novell”, why wouldn’t that come across to your readers as bashing or | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | > hating Novell? Just imagine if there was on television an advertisement | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | > saying Boycott China, or Boycott Obama! This is like showing the chicken | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | > the axe! It doesn’t matter if the axe is for chopping wood, as the | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | > chicken fears for it’s life! | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | For historical reasons we're stuck with this online identity. I did not select the name. | Jan 31 12:09 |
| schestowitz | "In truth, it’s NOT Novell, that should be the main focus, it’s the manner of how software is produced, distributed and sold, right? Why shouldn’t the public be able to build upon their own culture’s heritage? It’s very common everywhere in the world, for all people to share something that is a benefit, right?" | Jan 31 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Here's the part that resembles the RMS approach of US flag.... oh well..... | Jan 31 12:10 |
| schestowitz | "The U.S. believes in public libraries, why shouldn’t software be included? Should public libraries be called munitions of mass infringement, being how their distribute copyright material to the public for FREE? How else is society to gain, if their education is restricted, limited and forbidden from learning? " | Jan 31 12:10 |
| schestowitz | "If you haven’t read “How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Creativity” by Lawrence Lessig, I have attached the article as PDF. Lawrence Lessig is a Professor of Law at Stanford Law School and founder of the school’s Center for Internet and Society. Prior to joining the Stanford faculty, he was the Berkman Professor of Law at Harvard Law School." | Jan 31 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Whoa. He took http://www.lessig.org/ offline it seems....... | Jan 31 12:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 31 12:14 |
| schestowitz | I watched his talks before, but his Web site seems totally down at the moment after he had declared he would no longer update it. | Jan 31 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | "However, when an individual denies the benefit to all of society, and builds an empire, as a monopoly, be software, land, water or food, that always leads to the exploitation of the people, by making them dependent. It’s no wonder why Microsoft Windows continues to decrease in affordability. Not only does the software cost more, but it requires the most expensive hardware to operate on, without prior legacy support. Microsoft | Jan 31 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Windows isn’t an upgrade, it’s a REPLACEMENT! " | Jan 31 12:16 |
| schestowitz | "Software or “code” MUST be innovated to improve, and there is no better method than to allow the people, the 6 billion minds to contribute, as a collective whole, in this effort. The U.S. as a comparison, is losing the advantage or edge it once held, by limiting its own development. While China is expanding and rising it’s power. " | Jan 31 12:16 |
| schestowitz | "China has no real protection of intellectual property rights, or if you will, ownership restrictions. Instead, everything is the property of the State, the Communist regime. That’s NOT good, but it allows for everyone to contribute back, if even as cheap labor factory slaves." | Jan 31 12:17 |
| schestowitz | "However, the U.S., in it’s acquisition of wealth (greed), has sought to outsource IT jobs, talents and students to Communist China, and other countries, in exchange for PROFITS! Americans are dumped, an they didn’t even resist! " | Jan 31 12:17 |
| schestowitz | "As Microsoft expanded, so did they policies into laws, by making software ownership, thus creating pirates out of customers! " | Jan 31 12:18 |
| schestowitz | ""Embrace, extend and extinguish," also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate," is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found was used internally by Microsoft." | Jan 31 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "Clearly the world needs Microsoft, because everyone needs suppression of choice, with a monopoly such as Microsoft, enforced by dubious business practices, tantamount to racketeering, resulting in buggy, insecure, bloated, overpriced software!" | Jan 31 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "Novell isn’t the root, it’s only a branch, as a proxy for Microsoft! The only thing Microsoft has been good at, isn’t software, it’s been influencing how individuals fall for their disinformation." | Jan 31 12:19 |
| schestowitz | 'Désiré Athow wrote an article titled, “Microsoft's lawsuit payouts amount to around $9 billion” in which she wrote, “Though Microsoft is keen to emphasise the fact that they are not guilty of any wrongdoing in many of the lawsuits, they would prefer to pay rather than anything else. This has lead some observers to speculate that fines has been a way to "oil" the progress of Microsoft. Note also that no one has been | Jan 31 12:19 |
| schestowitz | imprisoned and that apart from paying out huge amounts of money, Microsoft can carry on its business as usual.”' | Jan 31 12:19 |
| schestowitz | "Is Microsoft against “open source code” or a supporter or hidden proprietary source code? You cannot be both! That’s like saying, Communist China is a supporter of human rights and liberty for all?" | Jan 31 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 31 12:20 |
| schestowitz | "If Microsoft wasn’t using proprietary hidden source code, would Novell be a threat? Maybe, the website is just afraid to point to Microsoft, just like asking to see the birth certificate from Obama?" | Jan 31 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Some people are still on that topic, despite the fact that his certificate is shown... they fuel the anti-Obama folks | Jan 31 12:21 |
| kecskebak | Obama might be a martian, but he was elected. More than Bush was... | Jan 31 12:22 |
| kecskebak | Not that getting a Republican or Democrat makes any difference. | Jan 31 12:23 |
| kecskebak | It's misdirection - if people are talking about a birth certificate they're not talking about something that matters. | Jan 31 12:23 |
| kecskebak | The MSM loves to give people things to talk about so they don't talk about things that matter. | Jan 31 12:25 |
| kecskebak | Has anyone read Stephen Fry's article in The Guardian about the iPad? | Jan 31 12:30 |
| kecskebak | I can't believe he's the same Stephen Fry on the front page of the FSF. | Jan 31 12:30 |
| MarcusKoze | got a link ? | Jan 31 12:30 |
| kecskebak | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/29/stephen-fry-apple-ipad | Jan 31 12:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Facebook rewrites PHP runtime - http://bit.ly/ahwWiq to be released as open source #facebook #php | Jan 31 12:32 | |
| kecskebak | I wonder if he'll try and put gNewSense on it... | Jan 31 12:33 |
| kecskebak | If you need earplugs when you read Fry's love letter to the iPad, that probably the cognitive dissonance... | Jan 31 12:34 |
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| MarcusKoze | ok roy, got a draft of the Romanian translation for the text | Jan 31 12:43 |
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| kecskebak | If you had a friend who was a plumber, you would be upset if he couldn't fix your plumbing because the manufacturer would come and take it all away - unless of course the manufacturer Apple and you could wiggle your finger on it beautifully. | Jan 31 12:43 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm going to have lunch now, i'll send it after that ' | Jan 31 12:43 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: thanks. | Jan 31 12:45 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: did they mail one to him? | Jan 31 12:46 |
| schestowitz | I thought he also abandoned the Internet (again) | Jan 31 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Fry I mean... | Jan 31 12:46 |
| kecskebak | He was at the launch | Jan 31 12:46 |
| kecskebak | He's thinking of moving to the USA to be near to Hugh Laurie and his family, who he is very fond of | Jan 31 12:47 |
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| kecskebak | I think Fry is a well meaning person, but I wondered whether he was the best person to promote the FSF at the time. | Jan 31 12:49 |
| kecskebak | If we all bought an iPad, mobile computing would become a miserable, claustrophobic, frustrating experience - and Fry is tech savvy enough to know that. | Jan 31 12:52 |
| kecskebak | I spent ten years as a Flash developer, and one of the stars of that scene is a very talented guy called Keith Peters | Jan 31 12:53 |
| kecskebak | He wrote a very popular iPod game, but his take on the experience is interesting | Jan 31 12:54 |
| kecskebak | http://www.bit-101.com/blog/?p=2455 | Jan 31 12:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Another year& | BIT-101 Blog .::. Size~: 47.26 KB | Jan 31 12:54 |
| kecskebak | "I love the platform and hardware and capabilities and even got to love the language. But I hate the business model and publishing stranglehold that Apple has on it." | Jan 31 12:54 |
| kecskebak | "With the iPhone, I have to submit it, wait some unspecified amount of weeks with no feedback or anyone to communicate with, to see if it is approved or not. If not, no real recourse. Just fix it and put it back into the queue. It’s awful." | Jan 31 12:55 |
| kecskebak | And the iPad is just as bad, if not worse. | Jan 31 12:55 |
| kecskebak | Sorry - I'm flooding the channel :-[ | Jan 31 12:56 |
| schestowitz | No, no.. | Jan 31 12:57 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting | Jan 31 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Fry is still a known person | Jan 31 12:58 |
| schestowitz | His message there in isolation does show FS in the mainstream | Jan 31 12:58 |
| kecskebak | But FS for him is like Architecture or Watercolours for his friend Prince Charles - you dabble at it at weekends, but it's not something you'd do all the time. | Jan 31 12:59 |
| kecskebak | Oh yes, Free Software - I give gnewSense a spin on Sundays. Of course then it's back to the Mac for some proper computing. | Jan 31 13:00 |
| kecskebak | I wish there was someone in the public eye who used GNU/Linux all the time. | Jan 31 13:01 |
| schestowitz | quote? | Jan 31 13:01 |
| schestowitz | No... | Jan 31 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I guess hypothetical | Jan 31 13:01 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 31 13:01 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: Dell messes with it | Jan 31 13:01 |
| kecskebak | No - I'm just explaining the picture it puts over to me | Jan 31 13:01 |
| kecskebak | It also is a bit odd that Defective By Design's iBad campaign is run by the same people who have Fry on their home page. | Jan 31 13:03 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 31 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | what was the cause? | Jan 31 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: can you provide an Arabic translation? | Jan 31 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | ok, back | Jan 31 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | so how do you want it . by mail ? | Jan 31 13:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: for what? | Jan 31 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm how long after the quater does companies have to release there blance sheets. | Jan 31 13:29 |
| oiaohm | In the USA system. | Jan 31 13:29 |
| MarcusKoze | Omar87: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/31/polyglots-request/ | Jan 31 13:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Translations Needed | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.27 KB | Jan 31 13:29 |
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| Murloc | Hi people | Jan 31 13:31 |
| MarcusKoze | hi there | Jan 31 13:32 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze, schestowitz: All of it? | Jan 31 13:33 |
| MarcusKoze | that portion that's presented there, in the blue blockquote | Jan 31 13:33 |
| MarcusKoze | Boycott Novell is a Web site that was conceived after Novell had signed a patent deal with Microsoft, an abusive monopoly. This deal was sought after by Novell and it has initiated: A campaign of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) against users and distributors of GNU/Linux. This is similar to SCO. Subsequent patent deals involving GNU/Linux, e.g. Linspire, Xandros, and TurboLinux Patent lawsuits against Linux (e.g. FAT/TomTom) Microsoft’s hija | Jan 31 13:34 |
| MarcusKoze | this text :) | Jan 31 13:34 |
| MarcusKoze | the idea is to present it in a native language to visitors, so that they are more comfortable understanding the message of the site | Jan 31 13:34 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: I see. Oh. That's easy. I can provide an Arabic version. :) | Jan 31 13:36 |
| MarcusKoze | that'd be great | Jan 31 13:36 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: how do you want me to send the romanian version ? | Jan 31 13:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] UK Gov't Says "No Evidence" IE Is Less Secure - AKA UK Govt know fuck all about IT, except what MS tell them http://tinyurl.com/ydmqbkk | Jan 31 13:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | UK Gov't Says "No Evidence" IE Is Less Secure .::. Size~: 146.61 KB | Jan 31 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: yes, please !! | Jan 31 13:39 |
| MarcusKoze | got a mail ? | Jan 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: just the intro | Jan 31 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | roy at schestowitz dot com | Jan 31 13:39 |
| MarcusKoze | or hust paste it here ? how do you prefer ? | Jan 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I'll be in Westminster tomorrow afternoon | Jan 31 13:39 |
| MarcusKoze | aw ok | Jan 31 13:40 |
| _Goblin | any chance you can end up Colindale way? | Jan 31 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how long filming will take | Jan 31 13:40 |
| schestowitz | And I never carry a mobile, either (for personal reasons) | Jan 31 13:40 |
| _Goblin | believe it or not, neither do I .... | Jan 31 13:40 |
| _Goblin | I don't own one anymore... | Jan 31 13:40 |
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| oiaohm | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/datbus/article.php/3861271 | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: what are your reasons? | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | I am curious | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | yesterday I had this chat with some staff at the gym,re solarium | Jan 31 13:47 |
| schestowitz | My mate there stop using the sunbeds | Jan 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Cancer risks... now coming to phone as warnings as well... at least in 2 US states | Jan 31 13:48 |
| kecskebak | I wish I could find the report I had about that | Jan 31 13:48 |
| kecskebak | It said it was dangerous for kids but not adults | Jan 31 13:49 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna mention you... | Jan 31 13:50 |
| schestowitz | You're well informed about non-conventional research and reporting | Jan 31 13:50 |
| schestowitz | But we disagree on climate | Jan 31 13:51 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Sorry, afk.... Colindale is very near where I work... | Jan 31 13:52 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: as I said on email im working the evening... | Jan 31 13:53 |
| Murloc | Meh it's strange that Cannonical is now playing a different game after Mark stepped down as CeO. | Jan 31 13:54 |
| _Goblin | Im sure youve named yourself after a WOW creature. | Jan 31 13:54 |
| Murloc | Well yeah i did, my other username is Lich_king2 :P | Jan 31 13:55 |
| Murloc | Im an avid Warcraft fan (RTS) | Jan 31 13:55 |
| _Goblin | cool.... | Jan 31 13:55 |
| _Goblin | as long as you don't dress up like one | Jan 31 13:55 |
| _Goblin | that wouldnt be so good. | Jan 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 31 13:56 |
| Murloc | Anyway i recently finished my open source application :D | Jan 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jan 31 13:56 |
| Murloc | 71 free programs included. ZeuAPP | Jan 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you know what the creature is called? | Jan 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | MURDOCH! | Jan 31 13:56 |
| Murloc | Allows you to download 71 programs from simple interface :P. And that's why we have Fox TV. | Jan 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | It fossilises you when it bites | Jan 31 13:56 |
| _Goblin | I thought he was an a-team character. | Jan 31 13:57 |
| Murloc | Meh that guy would sell his mom for a bag of money. | Jan 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't know, _Goblin | Jan 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I played just the first two Warcrafts... a LOT! | Jan 31 13:57 |
| Murloc | First 3 were the best. | Jan 31 13:58 |
| _Goblin | I prefered (in terms of RPG) Morrowind - Elder Scrolls | Jan 31 13:58 |
| _Goblin | Eternal Lands though is a great free Linux RPG... | Jan 31 13:59 |
| Murloc | Anyway my applications is currently for Windows only. Altough i have plans for Mac/Linux/BSD. | Jan 31 13:59 |
| Murloc | application* | Jan 31 13:59 |
| Murloc | If people are damned to run it, then at least they can use OSS. | Jan 31 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully you used portable frameworks off the bat. Murloc or it will be a pain in ass. | Jan 31 14:00 |
| _Goblin | sorry, ive missed it...what app are we talking about? | Jan 31 14:01 |
| Murloc | Here is the example of what im talking about: http://blog.zeusoft.net/zeuapp | Jan 31 14:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ZeuAPP | Zeusoft .::. Size~: 23.66 KB | Jan 31 14:02 |
| _Goblin | sort of like a software center for Windows? (similar to the Ubuntu one) | Jan 31 14:03 |
| Murloc | Yes. | Jan 31 14:03 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jan 31 14:03 |
| _Goblin | great idea | Jan 31 14:03 |
| MarcusKoze | does it handle the updates too ? | Jan 31 14:03 |
| MarcusKoze | of each app ? | Jan 31 14:03 |
| _Goblin | probably good idea to start with Windows....the brainwashed won't know whats available in the foss world. | Jan 31 14:03 |
| MarcusKoze | could be handy | Jan 31 14:03 |
| Murloc | Yes. | Jan 31 14:03 |
| _Goblin | what did you use to write the GUI? | Jan 31 14:04 |
| MarcusKoze | thats laudable | Jan 31 14:04 |
| Murloc | When you download the application, the installer auto-starts* | Jan 31 14:04 |
| Murloc | I have in plan adding webstore, similiar to Ninite. | Jan 31 14:05 |
| MarcusKoze | what did you use to code the interface , as goblins asked ? | Jan 31 14:05 |
| _Goblin | please dont say c# | Jan 31 14:05 |
| _Goblin | .... | Jan 31 14:06 |
| Murloc | It isn't. | Jan 31 14:06 |
| _Goblin | yay! | Jan 31 14:06 |
| Murloc | It's Visual Basic. | Jan 31 14:06 |
| Eruaran | haha | Jan 31 14:06 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 31 14:06 |
| _Goblin | Python not viable? | Jan 31 14:06 |
| Murloc | Altough i designed the overall aspects, the rest was done by programmers. | Jan 31 14:06 |
| _Goblin | would make cross platform far easier. | Jan 31 14:06 |
| Murloc | I'll try to get on to translate it to python. | Jan 31 14:07 |
| _Goblin | shouldn't be difficult....tkinter and such | Jan 31 14:07 |
| Murloc | But the main reason behind using VB is that the programs are for Windows installation. | Jan 31 14:07 |
| Murloc | I would have to design a different version for both Linux and Mac. | Jan 31 14:08 |
| MarcusKoze | they already have it (at least linux does) | Jan 31 14:08 |
| MarcusKoze | i have no idea about macs | Jan 31 14:08 |
| oiaohm | There are many options todo many platforms at once MarcusKoze | Jan 31 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Opps Murloc | Jan 31 14:09 |
| MarcusKoze | well, a good app would be a universal installer for linux | Jan 31 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Using VB makes porting nightmares. | Jan 31 14:09 |
| MarcusKoze | to bridge the gap between all those formats .deb, .rpm, .bin etc | Jan 31 14:10 |
| Murloc | Well im still open to ideas. | Jan 31 14:10 |
| Murloc | My first plan was to make this Windows Application Center. | Jan 31 14:10 |
| MarcusKoze | well, i'm sure people would appreciate it | Jan 31 14:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes #Hollywood Happy: #Microsoft Sues #BitTorrent Tracker for $43,000,000 http://ur1.ca/l576 | Jan 31 14:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Makes Hollywood Happy: Microsoft Sues BitTorrent Tracker for $43,000,000 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.56 KB | Jan 31 14:11 |
| MarcusKoze | just well, i guess it'd be a good idea to work under a open-language, not micromofts | Jan 31 14:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I have just made changes to the site Boycott Novell in order to soften the appearance/message | Jan 31 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | Wasn't there a x-platform realVB or somehting? | Jan 31 14:12 |
| schestowitz | RealBasic maybe? | Jan 31 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I think it's proprietary | Jan 31 14:12 |
| Murloc | Well at the time we started making we only thought about finishing application. | Jan 31 14:13 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: at least that s/w spreads other software written in Free p/ls | Jan 31 14:13 |
| Murloc | But yeah, we could get it written in Open Source Language. | Jan 31 14:13 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, the idea and the app looks decent and actually does a quite useful and comfortable job | Jan 31 14:14 |
| Murloc | My favorite package is TuxKart in Game category :D | Jan 31 14:14 |
| MarcusKoze | murloc: if you put some passion in this, you could get some fame there with it | Jan 31 14:15 |
| Murloc | After the comment and rating system is finished, will start porting it. | Jan 31 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Murloc: If planing cross platform better to start cross platform so you don't have to rewrite code a much in future. | Jan 31 14:15 |
| MarcusKoze | create some community and bam | Jan 31 14:15 |
| Murloc | Well my main problem is that i really suck in marketing. | Jan 31 14:15 |
| MarcusKoze | best marketing imo is by getting happy testers/initial users | Jan 31 14:16 |
| MarcusKoze | if your toy is good and useful, it'll spread like fire | Jan 31 14:16 |
| Murloc | Well you need to get them first from somewhere:p | Jan 31 14:16 |
| MarcusKoze | in the wild | Jan 31 14:16 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah | Jan 31 14:16 |
| MarcusKoze | for example, we talking about it here | Jan 31 14:16 |
| MarcusKoze | i guess there's gonna be some blog posts about it :) | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | some links, mails etc | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | so good thing, | Jan 31 14:17 |
| Murloc | Well, Microsoft sure sended the email first. | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | take it easy | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | hum? | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | what email ? | Jan 31 14:17 |
| Murloc | The BizSpark program. | Jan 31 14:17 |
| MarcusKoze | whats that ? | Jan 31 14:18 |
| Murloc | Their so called help to open source programs/companies. No thanks. | Jan 31 14:18 |
| Murloc | That's like giving software rights for free. | Jan 31 14:19 |
| MarcusKoze | well, i'd laugh my tears if some softie would talk about openes and honesty to me | Jan 31 14:19 |
| MarcusKoze | yah right ... | Jan 31 14:19 |
| Murloc | Well, they used pirated version of Vegas something when they made Windows XP sounds. | Jan 31 14:20 |
| Murloc | http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11183-0.html?forumID=89&threadID=173539&messageID=1765547 | Jan 31 14:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows uses pirated software? | 1 of 14 .::. Size~: 59.33 KB | Jan 31 14:22 |
| Murloc | SonyVegas* | Jan 31 14:22 |
| Murloc | Anyway back to topic. The main key of my application is that it's less then 1mb big, and yet it's usefull. | Jan 31 14:23 |
| MarcusKoze | applauds for that | Jan 31 14:23 |
| oiaohm | MS would blame there our source supply again MarcusKoze | Jan 31 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Jan 31 14:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jammed improperly where #Freesoftware is mentioned are references to proprietary traps from #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/l57n #vista | Jan 31 14:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Readers Article: Microsoft and Google-Jamming | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.29 KB | Jan 31 14:24 |
| MarcusKoze | scuse me oiaohm ? | Jan 31 14:24 |
| MarcusKoze | didnt get that fully | Jan 31 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Wrong user MarcusKoze every time I want Murloc I am getting you when quick typing. | Jan 31 14:26 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 31 14:26 |
| MarcusKoze | ok | Jan 31 14:26 |
| Murloc | Oh well not so similiar names :P | Jan 31 14:26 |
| oiaohm | It is if you brain is typing Mar<tab> instead of Mur<tab> | Jan 31 14:27 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Heavy dinner | Jan 31 14:32 | |
| Murloc | Still does anyone think that adding comment/rating system would be a good idea? | Jan 31 14:32 |
| MarcusKoze | yup | Jan 31 14:32 |
| MarcusKoze | could help take decisions | Jan 31 14:32 |
| MarcusKoze | both of them | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| MarcusKoze | rating for a quick view of how appreciated/ useful the soft is | Jan 31 14:33 |
| Murloc | True, altough mostly of software in is known. | Jan 31 14:33 |
| Murloc | Hell why not, it couldn't hurt. | Jan 31 14:33 |
| MarcusKoze | and comments for reasons (one may not find someone else' bad reasons as bad) | Jan 31 14:33 |
| MarcusKoze | well, i didnt know of VLC :) | Jan 31 14:34 |
| MarcusKoze | and i use linux since 2004 | Jan 31 14:34 |
| MarcusKoze | but heck | Jan 31 14:34 |
| MarcusKoze | i just stuck with my faves | Jan 31 14:34 |
| Murloc | Im thinking of renaming it from ZeuAPP to Windows Software Center. | Jan 31 14:35 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 14:35 |
| MarcusKoze | check for some trademarks first | Jan 31 14:35 |
| Murloc | The only thing that sounds similiar is Windows Media Center. | Jan 31 14:37 |
| MarcusKoze | well you could do a quick search to see if anyting else resembles that notation | Jan 31 14:40 |
| MarcusKoze | or you could include the name Repository , to get people used to the terminology on Linux | Jan 31 14:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @waldyrious How to Suck at Facebook http://ff.im/-f8nwK | Jan 31 14:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How to Suck at Facebook - The Oatmeal .::. Size~: 16.56 KB | Jan 31 14:41 |
| Murloc | Hmm | Jan 31 14:41 |
| Murloc | Windows Software Repository | Jan 31 14:41 |
| Murloc | sounds nice | Jan 31 14:41 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah, much better than their usual "Center" stuff | Jan 31 14:44 |
| MarcusKoze | impo | Jan 31 14:44 |
| Murloc | Yet im still wondering what to do about markething stuff. | Jan 31 14:45 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 14:46 |
| MarcusKoze | is that site yours ? | Jan 31 14:47 |
| Murloc | Zeusoft? | Jan 31 14:47 |
| Murloc | Yeah. | Jan 31 14:47 |
| MarcusKoze | or ... whats the situation ? | Jan 31 14:47 |
| MarcusKoze | yes | Jan 31 14:47 |
| MarcusKoze | ok | Jan 31 14:47 |
| Murloc | Fully mine. | Jan 31 14:48 |
| MarcusKoze | so get a custom page / minisite for your app | Jan 31 14:48 |
| Murloc | I already have page dedicated to it, altough i think you're think of something like site independent. | Jan 31 14:48 |
| MarcusKoze | presenting various aspects : Features, ToDos/Future plans, Some reasons on why it makes things easier etc | Jan 31 14:49 |
| MarcusKoze | well | Jan 31 14:49 |
| MarcusKoze | some folder in there | Jan 31 14:49 |
| MarcusKoze | but on the homepage of your site have some nice link / button with a short description for it | Jan 31 14:49 |
| MarcusKoze | and well ... SEO your site | Jan 31 14:50 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean | Jan 31 14:50 |
| Murloc | I already done some configuration regarding that. | Jan 31 14:50 |
| MarcusKoze | make it semantic, put the h1 tag first thing in your pages, make that unique, etc | Jan 31 14:50 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] seriously i should stop eating non-veg (aka: dead bodies credits: ryan) :P | Jan 31 14:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Why didn't Chewie get a medal at the end of ANH? #StarWars | Jan 31 14:52 | |
| MarcusKoze | haha you support IE ? | Jan 31 14:52 |
| Murloc | I wish there was a course on how to promote software :p | Jan 31 14:52 |
| Murloc | The site does. | Jan 31 14:52 |
| MarcusKoze | yuch | Jan 31 14:52 |
| Murloc | When i placed ,,We support'' i meant all browsers on which site works. | Jan 31 14:52 |
| MarcusKoze | i wouldnt stick that logo on my pages like ... ever... no way | Jan 31 14:53 |
| MarcusKoze | i see | Jan 31 14:53 |
| MarcusKoze | well, thats just my personal rage against that crapware IE ... web dev you know ... | Jan 31 14:53 |
| Murloc | I know IE6 sux :p | Jan 31 14:53 |
| Murloc | that's why i have special suprise for those users :D | Jan 31 14:53 |
| MarcusKoze | got some screenshots ? | Jan 31 14:54 |
| MarcusKoze | i love to see funny ie traps :D | Jan 31 14:54 |
| Murloc | sec | Jan 31 14:55 |
| Murloc | http://www.incerteza.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ie6w_02.png | Jan 31 14:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 31 14:57 |
| MarcusKoze | forbidden | Jan 31 14:57 |
| MarcusKoze | :-? | Jan 31 14:57 |
| MarcusKoze | what do you use to chat ? | Jan 31 14:57 |
| Murloc | Pidgin? | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | i use pidgin | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | aw | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | lets see if the transfer works | Jan 31 14:58 |
| Murloc | If you mean for IRC. | Jan 31 14:58 |
| Murloc | sec | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | yes | Jan 31 14:58 |
| Murloc | im gonna relog | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | drag the shot here | Jan 31 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | k | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| Murloc1 | Back | Jan 31 14:59 |
| MarcusKoze | k | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| Murloc1 | Anyway | Jan 31 15:00 |
| Murloc1 | http://www.incerteza.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ie6w_02.png | Jan 31 15:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 31 15:00 |
| Murloc1 | hmm | Jan 31 15:00 |
| Murloc1 | i don't get it why it's forbidden | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I also noticed a single shot by Solo caused the stormtroopers to run like girls as the heros got split up in ANH. Some "elite troops" lol | Jan 31 15:16 | |
| MarcusKoze | hehe, trying the super tux kart game, seems hella'f a fun :D | Jan 31 15:16 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Stallman wrote for the college mag of NIT-Surat check out www.svnit.edu.in/renesa (via @debayan) | Jan 31 15:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Golly is it time already for the "Ubuntu needs a TV advert" conversation again? http://bit.ly/cYhd9d | Jan 31 15:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell and Freedom Are Incompatible http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/31/obsession-microsoft-ipad/ | Jan 31 15:19 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell and Freedom Are Incompatible | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.07 KB | Jan 31 15:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The Chewie medal thing I could understand from the Empire, with a human-bias, but the rebels are supposed to be "every being, human & non" | Jan 31 15:20 | |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: | Jan 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | how do I write "Croatian"? | Jan 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | "Croatia (pronounced /kroʊˈeɪʃə/ ( listen), kroe-AY-shə; Croatian......." | Jan 31 15:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | wait what? | Jan 31 15:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | you mean in Croatian? | Jan 31 15:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | Hrvatski | Jan 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Jan 31 15:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | ok | Jan 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Hrvatski | Jan 31 15:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hrvatski - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 10.76 KB | Jan 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | This is a page anyone can modify. | Jan 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | If you have pages in Croatian that you can write or legally drop in, feel free. These will get index heavily. | Jan 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | *indexed | Jan 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | But keep it polite, I can't check | Jan 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: can you do Arabic for us? | Jan 31 15:27 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: check out http://www.svnit.edu.in/renesa/sites/default/files/RENESA_JANUARY_eCOPY.pdf , stallman wrote for this college magazine :-) | Jan 31 15:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 31 15:28 |
| MarcusKoze | SCHESTOWITZ : Omar said he'd do it | Jan 31 15:28 |
| MarcusKoze | today | Jan 31 15:28 |
| MarcusKoze | arh sorry about the caps | Jan 31 15:28 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Romana | Jan 31 15:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Romana - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 11.07 KB | Jan 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | I tried to do the accents... | Jan 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Română | Jan 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | MediaWiki hates the accents in links/page titles | Jan 31 15:31 |
| MarcusKoze | heh | Jan 31 15:31 |
| MarcusKoze | i didnt put those special characters in there | Jan 31 15:31 |
| MarcusKoze | thats why i called it a first draft, to be there (eligible anyway) | Jan 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Jan 31 15:32 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: nice! | Jan 31 15:33 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz, is there some automatic redirect for the language selection / translation there ? | Jan 31 15:34 |
| MarcusKoze | or those pages are there for static reference ? | Jan 31 15:34 |
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| zer0c00l | :-) | Jan 31 15:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Dad, I've run out of space on my hard drive. What were you doing? Oh, not much, just shooting some videos. Head-desk-head-desk... | Jan 31 15:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Have given over the lounge to 4 chairs and some blankets for the kids to have a den. #fb | Jan 31 16:05 | |
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| mikeyc | http://www.voltairenet.org/article163626.html | Jan 31 16:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Was the earthquake in Haiti caused by the United States? [Voltaire] .::. Size~: 49.84 KB | Jan 31 16:10 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: no redirect for translation | Jan 31 16:13 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: I heard about that story from Russia | Jan 31 16:14 |
| schestowitz | it's not confirmed that Chavez said such a thing | Jan 31 16:14 |
| mikeyc | what do you mean? | Jan 31 16:16 |
| mikeyc | Isn't there news footage linked to the article? | Jan 31 16:17 |
| mikeyc | wrong | Jan 31 16:17 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I looked at http://boycottnovell.com/?stories just then and the page width doesn't fit on a 1024 * 768 screen - there is blank space at the left except at the top header | Jan 31 16:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight, Silverlight and secret Novell pact with Microsoft. .::. Size~: 136.27 KB | Jan 31 16:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Translation complete. | Jan 31 16:22 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: are you going to he Midland today? | Jan 31 16:22 |
| amarsh04 | btw, http://boycottnovell.com/?stories validates, but the css has errors | Jan 31 16:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight, Silverlight and secret Novell pact with Microsoft. .::. Size~: 142.35 KB | Jan 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: can you mail it to roy at schestowitz dot com ? | Jan 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I know | Jan 31 16:23 |
| amarsh04 | ok, np... | Jan 31 16:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Loses Executive Vice President and Community Manager http://ur1.ca/l5dl replacements are imminent | Jan 31 16:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell Loses Executive Vice President and Community Manager | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.85 KB | Jan 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | It's hacks for stuff | Jan 31 16:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just sent it, but I'm gonna send it again after I fix something in it. One minute. | Jan 31 16:28 |
| schestowitz | You can edit the wiki | Jan 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I just need to create the editable page | Jan 31 16:29 |
| amarsh04 | It took me ages to understand html because the earliest code I saw tended to omit closing tags and so I couldn't grasp the structure. It's great to be able to start with a clean design and keep it, but everyone seems to include hacks then are unable to escape them | Jan 31 16:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Done! :-) | Jan 31 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Arabic | Jan 31 16:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Arabic - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 11.6 KB | Jan 31 16:32 |
| schestowitz | It's editable | Jan 31 16:32 |
| schestowitz | You can add new pages to it as well, as in expand as you see fit | Jan 31 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Jan 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll put in the fixed version | Jan 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: just add the stars to it: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Arabic&diff=2394&oldid=2393 | Jan 31 16:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Arabic - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 19.3 KB | Jan 31 16:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Roy, can you put the previous version back please? | Jan 31 16:37 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I says I have not permission to edit pages. | Jan 31 16:38 |
| Omar87 | It* | Jan 31 16:40 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: RTL support is problematic over here, to be honest.. :-) | Jan 31 16:40 |
| mikeyc | already been ROy, i'm currently reading about Last week's Supreme Court ruling lifting limits on campaign financing by corporations members of Congress should now dress themselves in NASCAR uniforms indicating which corporations own them so that we don't need to bother researching the facts | Jan 31 16:41 |
| Myfraudsoft | Ok. I've just translated Mission page into Croatian. | Jan 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: OK, let me try | Jan 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I think I can get this right... | Jan 31 16:43 |
| Myfraudsoft | but I can't log in | Jan 31 16:44 |
| Myfraudsoft | sending via e-mail | Jan 31 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Does the registration not work? | Jan 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | It's not the same username as for the blog part | Jan 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | This one is separate | Jan 31 16:46 |
| Myfraudsoft | oooh | Jan 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's almost OK: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Arabic | Jan 31 16:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Arabic - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 11.57 KB | Jan 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I hope | Jan 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I need to go now | Jan 31 16:46 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz:umm. No, it didn't get any better, sorry. :-) | Jan 31 16:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: tyt | Jan 31 16:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: bye | Jan 31 16:51 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Its difficult to get a man understand something when his salary depends upon not understanding it" - Upton sinclair | Jan 31 16:52 | |
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| Murloc1 | Im back people | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| Murloc1 | We could translate boycot Novell in Serbian. | Jan 31 17:15 |
| Murloc1 | Or at least add Serb-Croat language. | Jan 31 17:17 |
| Murloc1 | Basically it's same language. | Jan 31 17:17 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 31 17:22 |
| Murloc1 | Hey Omar | Jan 31 17:23 |
| Murloc1 | hmm? http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/ | Jan 31 17:24 |
| Omar87 | Murloc1: yeah, he's a known troll. | Jan 31 17:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Homeless donate $14.94 to Haiti http://ur1.ca/l5e1 #hero | Jan 31 17:37 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: City homeless donate $14.64 for quake victims - baltimoresun.com .::. Size~: 119.06 KB | Jan 31 17:37 |
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| DaemonFC | eBay should ban 1 cent CDs with $6.99 shipping (Amazon does this too.) | Jan 31 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder if there's any type of deceptive advertising laws that apply here | Jan 31 17:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "A #kiss blown is a kiss wasted...the only real kind of kiss is a kiss tasted." ~ Unknown (via shivaranjan) | Jan 31 17:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | Focus on the Family is trying to run ads on the superbowl *barf* | Jan 31 17:49 |
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| Omar87 | aaaah!! | Jan 31 17:51 |
| Omar87 | Those idiots at #Django are driving me nuts!! >< | Jan 31 17:52 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: still around ? | Jan 31 18:17 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze: no, he left. | Jan 31 18:18 |
| MarcusKoze | i see | Jan 31 18:18 |
| MarcusKoze | got a quick link to the wiki formats / tags for his wiki engine ? | Jan 31 18:18 |
| Omar87 | Nope | Jan 31 18:19 |
| MarcusKoze | ok , so i anyone else is interested in formatting tags / concentions for BN wiki engine: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting | Jan 31 18:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Help:Formatting - MediaWiki .::. Size~: 31.5 KB | Jan 31 18:21 |
| MarcusKoze | if* | Jan 31 18:21 |
| MarcusKoze | and conventions* :) | Jan 31 18:21 |
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| rnb | hello | Jan 31 18:46 |
| MarcusKoze | hello | Jan 31 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://24ahead.com/temporary-protected-status-victims-haiti-earthquake-pushed-p | Jan 31 18:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: "Temporary" Protected Status for Haitian illegal aliens pushed by profiteers (Haiti earthquake) .::. Size~: 39.16 KB | Jan 31 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | "The word "temporary" is generally a misnomer as that status is renewed over and over." | Jan 31 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Jan 31 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | more Obama voters in 2010 | Jan 31 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | *2012 | Jan 31 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the plan is to keep renewing it til they can all just stay here forever | Jan 31 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Obviously, he's either trying to mislead people or he can't think things through. Many or most of the jobs they'd be doing would be jobs that Americans who are drawing unemployment insurance could be doing, and much of the labor those Haitians would be doing in the U.S. would be heavily subsidized." | Jan 31 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 31 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | "1/15/10 UPDATE: Janet Napolitano has now approved TPS, but only for those illegal aliens who were here on Tuesday. How they'll be able to tell isn't clear; some people will no doubt try to provide fake documentation showing they were here at that time." | Jan 31 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | If we ask how long they've been here, they can just say they got here that day and challenge the government to prove it | Jan 31 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Haitians outside the United States should not misinterpret the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to believe that they can illegally attempt to enter the United States. Those who enter illegally will be repatriated, [Napolitano] said." | Jan 31 19:00 |
| rnb | meanwhile... | Jan 31 19:00 |
| rnb | Canada is expediting immigration applications from Haitians with family in the country to help those affected by the Jan. 12 earthquake that struck the Caribbean nation. | Jan 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | If you get caught in the act we'll send you back | Jan 31 19:00 |
| rnb | “We anticipate there will be a number of new applications, which we will treat on a priority basis,” Kenney said. | Jan 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you can have all of them you want | Jan 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | need some more? | Jan 31 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Canada's government knows they won't get swamped because it would be kind of hard to get there by raft | Jan 31 19:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Shouldn't have mentioned Chewies medal, Lucas may make another edition to scam the fans. I hope he don't do Identi.ca, it's our only hope :/ | Jan 31 19:02 | |
| DaemonFC | so they're being hypocritical and putting a program of expediting visas in place so they can badmouth the US | Jan 31 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and not actually have to take that many Haitians in themselves | Jan 31 19:02 |
| Omar87 | rnb: do you know Django? | Jan 31 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think the US should offer to send out Canadian immigration visa applications to all the Haitians here | Jan 31 19:03 |
| rnb | haha -> The U.S. military is gearing up for a possible influx of Haitians fleeing their earthquake-stricken country at an Army facility not widely known for its humanitarian missions: Guantanamo Bay. | Jan 31 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | just since you are all so kind | Jan 31 19:03 |
| rnb | thats not really that funny, but just goes to show US mentality | Jan 31 19:03 |
| rnb | Omar87: i've used it but i'm not an expert | Jan 31 19:03 |
| Omar87 | rnb: I see. | Jan 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: No, we should totally send them Canadian visa applications, Mexico does the same thing with their undesirables | Jan 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they give them maps to get into the US | Jan 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | and how to steal from our welfare when they get here | Jan 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | what to say if stopped, etc. | Jan 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they were caught red handed doing that | Jan 31 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | where's the outrage? | Jan 31 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | since applying for Canadian visas is perfectly legal, I'd say we'rre actually just helping them navigate your system under my plan ;) | Jan 31 19:05 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I take it you don't have children. I don't know about anyone else but if I saw a better life for my family in another country then I would do whatever it took to get my family there. | Jan 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | not encouraging illegal activity | Jan 31 19:06 |
| MarcusKoze | goblin: i concur | Jan 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: If that country didn't adequately protect itself and doesn't deport you | Jan 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | then that's their fault I guess | Jan 31 19:06 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: but then can you blame anyone for wanting a better life for themselves? | Jan 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm making the assumption you're not skilled and only plan to suck off their public safety net | Jan 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | like most illegal aliens here | Jan 31 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC | _Goblin: I've never blamed the illegals | Jan 31 19:07 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: again I repeat, my family is my first priority if needs must I would do whatever it took to care for them... | Jan 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm blaming our government for not protecting us | Jan 31 19:08 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: protecting? you make them sound like a virus. | Jan 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | you can't blame a fox for sneaking into the henhouse and chowing down | Jan 31 19:08 |
| rnb | President Hugo Chavez announced Monday that he would write off the undisclosed sum Haiti owes Venezuela for oil as part of the ALBA bloc's plans to help the impoverished Caribbean nation after the devastating earthquake. | Jan 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | you can put up some razor wire and try to shoot the fox | Jan 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Haiti is more or less "welfare island" even when there is no emergency | Jan 31 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> the illegals are only doing what we would too if in their position. You can't blame them for wanting to better themselves. | Jan 31 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | they depend on debt write-offs as their norm | Jan 31 19:09 |
| rnb | you can also blame the US government for the Haitian government | Jan 31 19:09 |
| rnb | since the US government's interventionism in Haiti is what has created this absurd, mafia government in the first place | Jan 31 19:09 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: if anyone is to "blame" its the governments of the places the immigrants are leaving, its them who are not looking after their citizens properly. | Jan 31 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: Like I said, you can threaten to shoot the fox coming for your chickens and put up razor wire | Jan 31 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | but you don't blame the fox for wanting to eat | Jan 31 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malry | There are areas now in this country, like LA metro area, where you see store signs up now only in spanish | Jan 31 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | you're just keeping it out of your livelihood | Jan 31 19:10 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: Hey | Jan 31 19:10 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: there are all kinds of places like that near San Francisco | Jan 31 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | it can go eat anyone elses chickens it wants | Jan 31 19:10 |
| _Goblin | hi omar! | Jan 31 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't care :) | Jan 31 19:10 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: there ar certain cities where you really cant get by if you dont speak Spanish | Jan 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | if Canada puts out chickens for the foxes to eat, I say they're stupid for bringing down the ensuing mess on their system | Jan 31 19:11 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> oddly enough, I do agree with you that the gov has not protected the lower middle class here from Nafta and the illegal situtation | Jan 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | but OK, that's their country and they can manage it as stupidly as they want | Jan 31 19:11 |
| Chips_B_Malry | in fact, the gov created the problem | Jan 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: NAFTA didn't help the mexican people, it helped Carlos Slim | Jan 31 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Take countries like Britain, it takes a lot more to get citizenship there than here | Jan 31 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malry | more years | Jan 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | like 1-2% of their population who were millionaires and now billionaires | Jan 31 19:12 |
| Chips_B_Malry | yes | Jan 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Mexio is as much of a third world country now as it was in 1994 | Jan 31 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | *Mexico | Jan 31 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malry | so we are becomming a 3rd world country and soon | Jan 31 19:13 |
| rnb | this is from today: | Jan 31 19:13 |
| rnb | The US military has halted flights carrying Haitian earthquake victims to the United States because of an apparent dispute over where seriously injured patients should be taken for treatment. | Jan 31 19:13 |
| rnb | There has been no indication that France, Brazil or other nations that have been accepting patients have disrupted their efforts. | Jan 31 19:13 |
| rnb | hahah brazil out-shines the US once again | Jan 31 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | we're pretty much there, mainly because we've outsourced so many skilled jobs, and then when those people tried to go find other work that paid less, they did OK for a while until we opened the immigration flood gats for those jobs too | Jan 31 19:14 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> the gov has the power to stop illegal imigration if it wants too, real easy too | Jan 31 19:14 |
| rnb | a much poorer country but willing to take the hit of haitian immigration | Jan 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | and of course there's been tons of unskilled jobs soaked up by illegal aliens for years | Jan 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | and getting worse | Jan 31 19:14 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: call the waaaaaaaaambulance. | Jan 31 19:14 |
| Chips_B_Malry | The gov can do it the same way they used to find most of the soviet spies during the cold war | Jan 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | we're being victimized by our government letting foreigners sponge off the welfare system, and take all the work that was left | Jan 31 19:15 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the immigrants are taking my job!! | Jan 31 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and I have every right to be angry at them for allowing it | Jan 31 19:15 |
| rnb | ahahah | Jan 31 19:15 |
| Chips_B_Malry | The soviets required most of their spies to work here and send the money back | Jan 31 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but there's only going to be so many spies | Jan 31 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | there is no limit on how many Mexicans get over here and send their money back | Jan 31 19:16 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: would you like some more white whine? | Jan 31 19:16 |
| Chips_B_Malry | social sercurity numbers data are sent in every quarter to the gov, and this was the way most soviet spies were caught | Jan 31 19:16 |
| Chips_B_Malry | illegals could be caught by the same method, when u have a hundred using the same number, you know that only one might be legit | Jan 31 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: So how come they could flush out Soviet spies but not illegal Mexican John Smiths using the same social security number on 12 factory workers in one Indiana facility? | Jan 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | They were looking for Soviets, right? | Jan 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malry | yes | Jan 31 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malry | selective inforcement of the law | Jan 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | they've made it a policy of looking the other way when it's just unskilled Mexican illegal aliens | Jan 31 19:17 |
| rnb | the US government created this mess, now they must deal with the consequences | Jan 31 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I've filled out the ICE forms whenever I suspect there's an illegal alien living near here | Jan 31 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | one time I just waited until they threw a drug party and called the cops | Jan 31 19:18 |
| rnb | the US wants the right to have the US Marines kidnap aristide and conduct an illegal coup in haiti | Jan 31 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | they all got arrested, haven't seen them since | Jan 31 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malry | I am not actually for sending them all back. But I do believe we should make our citizenship laws tougher, like Britian has. We should give them at the border work papers to come across legally, unless they fail the criminal computer check. | Jan 31 19:19 |
| rnb | and then they want to complain when the corrupt government they put into place didn't spend humanitarian aid on humanitarian projects | Jan 31 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | be diligent, wait for them to so something wrong, call the police | Jan 31 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | works at least half the time | Jan 31 19:19 |
| rnb | so, the US was happy when they were illegally overthrowing haiti's government and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from haiti | Jan 31 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malry | By the way, the military also exploits them, if they enlist its an way to get citizenship and a green card now | Jan 31 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | illegal alien signed up | Jan 31 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 31 19:20 |
| rnb | i support people who dont have citizenship status in the US | Jan 31 19:21 |
| rnb | i support groups that help them get by here | Jan 31 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | fuck em | Jan 31 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malry | I had the link for the military sign up awhile back and posted it | Jan 31 19:21 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: nothing you can do about it | Jan 31 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: You fund the coyotes? | Jan 31 19:21 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: except complain in an IRC channel where no one cares | Jan 31 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that leave them all in the desert to die? | Jan 31 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Jan 31 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | that should teach them | Jan 31 19:22 |
| rnb | haha, thats not how it usually works | Jan 31 19:22 |
| rnb | every single day there are hundreds/thousands coming here, perfectly safe | Jan 31 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | the country is failing because of them | Jan 31 19:22 |
| rnb | thats not why the country is failing | Jan 31 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malry | If they come here with work papers, legal, at least they will have some protections from the corps that are exploiting them. This could mean better wages for the rest of us | Jan 31 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | if we'd wake up and throw them all out, maybe we could get up for air | Jan 31 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: rnb is helping them get exploited | Jan 31 19:23 |
| rnb | yeah, thats gonna solve allll your problems | Jan 31 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | if those companies had to pay them American wages and pay American taxes on them, there'd be no incentive to preferentially hire them | Jan 31 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> you miss the point, IMO. the gov is never going to kick them all out | Jan 31 19:24 |
| rnb | The Haitian regime imposed by the US repressed political activists, and thousands of people were killed either by occupying forces or by gangs operating under the authority of the new regime. | Jan 31 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malry | once you accept that, it changes the debate | Jan 31 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | of course not, they let the problem fester and grow for so long that even the Republicans are kissing their asses now | Jan 31 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malry | yes | Jan 31 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | of course it's not going away, it's a terminal disease | Jan 31 19:24 |
| rnb | the Republicans are the ones primarily responsible for illegal immigration | Jan 31 19:25 |
| rnb | because they take bribes from corporations who want cheap labor | Jan 31 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malry | no, I would say both parties | Jan 31 19:25 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: i would say there's barely a distinction between the two parties | Jan 31 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | didn't Calderon say something about American politicians taking bribes | Jan 31 19:25 |
| rnb | the US is a one-party oligarchy | Jan 31 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malry | In some places the illegal could actually vote | Jan 31 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why there's no border security | Jan 31 19:25 |
| rnb | there's no other objective way to describe it | Jan 31 19:26 |
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| Chips_B_Malry | I seen voter reg in the past where they only required a driver lic to sign up | Jan 31 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: They can vote in some local elections in liberal towns and such | Jan 31 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | but not in any state or federal | Jan 31 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malry | wrong | Jan 31 19:26 |
| rnb | it wont be long before there's no white majority in the US, and many regions in the US are like that now | Jan 31 19:27 |
| Chips_B_Malry | if you can vote, at the county level, you can also vote at the state and fed level in most counties that I seen | Jan 31 19:27 |
| rnb | it cant happen fast enough, if you ask me | Jan 31 19:27 |
| Chips_B_Malry | LA is already a spanish speaking majority | Jan 31 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | I will never speak Spanish | Jan 31 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | they can speak to me in English or not at all | Jan 31 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Where I am at, there are many new Mexican supermarkets | Jan 31 19:28 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: i'm sure they prefer not at all | Jan 31 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | the best thing to do is for everyone to refuse to learn Spanish | Jan 31 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | anywhere | Jan 31 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malry | I like them, the Mexican Supermarkets, they are kicking Walmart's butt | Jan 31 19:28 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: that wont happen | Jan 31 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | and refuse to teach in it | Jan 31 19:29 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: in san francisco, you cant even get a job as a manager at McDonalds if you arent bilingual | Jan 31 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's not right | Jan 31 19:29 |
| rnb | of course its right | Jan 31 19:29 |
| rnb | a manager has to be able to manage spanish-speaking employees | Jan 31 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | obviously there should be a law to make English the only recognized language | Jan 31 19:29 |
| rnb | there wont be | Jan 31 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | and bar federal funds from being issued to fund illegal aliens in school | Jan 31 19:30 |
| rnb | that wont happen either | Jan 31 19:30 |
| rnb | the US is headed towards looking like all the other countries in the americas | Jan 31 19:30 |
| rnb | it's great | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | that we're being eaten aline? | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | buy these assholes? | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | *by | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | why is it great that we're being overran? | Jan 31 19:31 |
| rnb | who is "we"? | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | Americans | Jan 31 19:31 |
| rnb | they are also Americans | Jan 31 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | no they aren't | Jan 31 19:32 |
| rnb | people from South America arent Americans? | Jan 31 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that are American citizens are about 10% of the hispanic population in the United States | Jan 31 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are not Americans | Jan 31 19:32 |
| rnb | i think you mean "US citizens" | Jan 31 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | and have no legal right ot be here | Jan 31 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Well, the white populating here has a negative birth rate. So yes, all the figures I have seen is that this county will become a spanish speaking county in the future. And Europe, has the same problem, Many countries in Europe, will become Muslim in time. | Jan 31 19:32 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: you are right | Jan 31 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | they should be forcibly expelled, just chain them up | Jan 31 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | march them back across the border | Jan 31 19:33 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: wont happen | Jan 31 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | return to senders | Jan 31 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | postage due | Jan 31 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Bank of England shocked to discover that just printing money doesn't work very well http://newstechnica.com/?p=1408 | Jan 31 19:33 | |
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| Chips_B_Malry | accept that it will not happen DaemonFC | Jan 31 19:33 |
| Chips_B_Malry | as I have | Jan 31 19:33 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: yeah? what are you, pure-blood ancestry to the pilgrims or something? | Jan 31 19:33 |
| Chips_B_Malry | If I was younger like you DaemonFC, I would learn spanish | Jan 31 19:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Audit Commission's anti-Tory ‘plot’ - Times Online http://tinyurl.com/ygoj33f | Jan 31 19:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | fuck them | Jan 31 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | fuck their language | Jan 31 19:34 |
| rnb | ya yo hablo espanol | Jan 31 19:34 |
| rnb | tambem eu posso falar portugues | Jan 31 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'll beat some English out of them, how's that? | Jan 31 19:34 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: haha you wish | Jan 31 19:34 |
| rnb | the average mexican day laborer would have you laid out before you even had a chance to put down your pop-tart | Jan 31 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 31 19:36 |
| rnb | but hey, you sound more and more like a member of the aryan nation every day | Jan 31 19:37 |
| rnb | "I'll beat some English out of them, how's that" | Jan 31 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think I'm carrying when I go to the grocery store | Jan 31 19:37 |
| rnb | because you're a pussy, who's scared of everything? | Jan 31 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | the government won't do anything about them attacking and mugging people in all kinds of formerly safe areas | Jan 31 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I will if they come for me | Jan 31 19:38 |
| rnb | it sounds like the government needs to protect me from you, you sound like a nutjob | Jan 31 19:38 |
| rnb | talking about beating people until they speak English to you? | Jan 31 19:39 |
| rnb | you should be in a court-ordered looney bin | Jan 31 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | not going to happen | Jan 31 19:39 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> it could be far worse. While I do not have anything against Muslems, would you prefer them to the Mexicans? Myself I look at Europe with its illegals, and I have to wonder with all the problems in Israel, if that is not coming there too. Mind you, all the Muslims I have ever I have be impressed with. So I am not trying to put them down | Jan 31 19:39 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: it very well could, if you keep it up | Jan 31 19:40 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: you've already talking about how great you think the Virginia Tech shooting was | Jan 31 19:40 |
| rnb | now you are ranting about attacking immigrants and forcing them to speak English | Jan 31 19:40 |
| rnb | you sound like a threat to the community | Jan 31 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | well, I can sound like whatever I want | Jan 31 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | until I've threatened to actually commit a specific crime, there's nothing that can stop me from saying whatever I please | Jan 31 19:41 |
| rnb | sure, go ahead | Jan 31 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> what you really want is for the standard of living to go up for the average american here. Sadly I do not see this happening | Jan 31 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I can say the guy that committed the Virginia Tech shootings should be made into a national hearo | Jan 31 19:42 |
| rnb | keep it up | Jan 31 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's my freedom of opinion, you asshole | Jan 31 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malry | killing is wrong | Jan 31 19:42 |
| rnb | uh huh | Jan 31 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malry | hurting people is wrong | Jan 31 19:43 |
| MinceR | if killing is wrong, what do you eat? :> | Jan 31 19:43 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: you have to understand that DaemonFC is nerdy and sheltered and scared of black people | Jan 31 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malry | MinceR> I meant killing "people" is wrong | Jan 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Meat is murder followed by vivisection carried out by an illegal Mexican | Jan 31 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while in a Walmart roast, you may get a thumb or something | Jan 31 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | rest assured that the meat packing plant "took care of" the guy that had the accident | Jan 31 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 31 19:44 |
| rnb | *yawn* | Jan 31 19:44 |
| rnb | schestowitz: seriously, DaemonFC ruins this channel | Jan 31 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | waaaaaaaaaaambulance was it? | Jan 31 19:45 |
| rnb | schestowitz: since he doesnt seem to work or do anything but sit his ass in front of the computer all day, | Jan 31 19:45 |
| rnb | schestowitz: the channel is constantly filled with his racist misanthropy | Jan 31 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malry | rnb> DaemonFC has at least improved vastly, before he was like this major windows shill. So it does prove that he is coming around. | Jan 31 19:46 |
| MinceR | if hurting people is wrong, what do you want to do about people who try to hurt you? | Jan 31 19:46 |
| rnb | ahahahahaha | Jan 31 19:46 |
| rnb | Chips_B_Malry: good to know | Jan 31 19:46 |
| rnb | and a windows loser on top of it | Jan 31 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: A true pacifist would just let them | Jan 31 19:46 |
| rnb | hahahaha | Jan 31 19:46 |
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| MinceR | just let them do something that's wrong? :> | Jan 31 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, what would they do about it? | Jan 31 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | formally file a protest | Jan 31 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | ask the police "You're not going to hurt him when you find him, are you?" | Jan 31 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | "I hope you give him a nice stern talking to" | Jan 31 19:48 |
| Chips_B_Malry | rnb> let people have food for thought, they will not always or mostly agree with you, but you plant the thought. My thought to plant with DaemonFC today was this. the gov is not going send them back, so move past that | Jan 31 19:48 |
| rnb | self-defense is alright until you have some guy sitting in his mom's basement believing that people who speak spanish are "hurting him" | Jan 31 19:48 |
| MinceR | but what if he says that getting a stern talking to hurts? :> | Jan 31 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not in anyone's basement, I am in "my" house | Jan 31 19:49 |
| rnb | sure you are | Jan 31 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's as much "my" house as anyone in a mortgage owns theirs | Jan 31 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Mexico's primary export seems to be MS13 gang members smuggling drugs across the border | Jan 31 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | our government doesn't even stop that | Jan 31 19:51 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: oh come on, drugs are good, ya know. :) | Jan 31 19:52 |
| Chips_B_Malry | actually DaemonFC position on the illegals is not that extreme here, most republians want them expelled too | Jan 31 19:52 |
| rnb | you can blame the US government for that, DaemonFC | Jan 31 19:53 |
| rnb | since the US waged a war of terrorism on central america for the past 30 years | Jan 31 19:53 |
| _Goblin | can anyone recommend a MUD client here...currently using Gnome-Mud...not impressed. | Jan 31 19:54 |
| rnb | you can bet that a socialist El Salvador / Honduras / Guatemala wouldnt have allowed drug gangs like that to evolve | Jan 31 19:54 |
| rnb | in fact, MS13 uses the system of deportation to do their business for them | Jan 31 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Came here today, as I left a comment on Roys latest article with more Mini comment imformation, on the revenue for this quarter | Jan 31 19:54 |
| rnb | the US government gives them a free plane ride back to Guatemala or wherever after they've done their business here | Jan 31 19:55 |
| rnb | i personally know people who sneak into the US, do what they have to do, and then allow themselves to be caught by INS | Jan 31 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malry | While I think there might be more cuts at MS, the date for those I am not certain anymore | Jan 31 19:55 |
| rnb | so they can travel back home on an airplane | Jan 31 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malry | MS profits only increase by cost cutting (layoffs) methods anymore | Jan 31 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malry | that is the hidden data to be gleened from the quarters | Jan 31 19:56 |
| Chips_B_Malry | but since the MS lies of "best quarter" ever, its now hard to layoff people. Also the Ballmer mindset come into play here. He is in favor of "going down the field broadly." Which means he does not like to cut projects, people, well thats another matter. | Jan 31 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malry | So, cuts while coming, could be postponed until the bad data of next quarter, if Ballmer decides to do that. | Jan 31 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexican government's drug war was a nice surprise | Jan 31 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malry | But then, Ballmer takes the chance of shareholder revolt, if next quarter is as bad as I think it is. | Jan 31 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's causing all kinds of problems all the way up to Canada where cocaine is no a third more expensive | Jan 31 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> the Mexican drug war is already here. The gov just calls it gang warfare. | Jan 31 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malry | different name | Jan 31 20:00 |
| rnb | the "Mexican drug war" ... what the hell is that? | Jan 31 20:01 |
| rnb | you mean Plan Merida? | Jan 31 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: I'd say that the states of Texas and California would be fully within their right to send out the national guard | Jan 31 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | to fight off these drug gangs in suburbia | Jan 31 20:02 |
| rnb | or is this another topic you dont know shit about? | Jan 31 20:02 |
| rnb | nobody wants that | Jan 31 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | if I was the governor, I would order the national guard to do these raids | Jan 31 20:03 |
| rnb | the DEA needs to make their payoff money | Jan 31 20:03 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: ! | Jan 31 20:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: bom dia | Jan 31 20:03 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: hey!! | Jan 31 20:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: tudo bem ai? | Jan 31 20:03 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: your friend, jweyrich... | Jan 31 20:03 |
| mikeyc | Last week's Supreme Court ruling lifts limits on campaign financing by corporations...... Members of Congress should now dress themselves in NASCAR uniforms indicating which corporations own them so that we don't need to bother researching the facts. | Jan 31 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malry | another posted comment at Mini's blog: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7555958&postID=3061876540397221260 | Jan 31 20:04 |
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| rnb | FurnaceBoy: ele estava me procurando e ele foi pra um outro canal de irc | Jan 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: Thank you | Jan 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 31 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malry | quote: " Anonymous said... Nothing wrong with recognizing deferred revenue ... but I think the SLT is on some good drugs. The ONLY part of the company that did well was Windows client. S&T was flat, online is further in the red, E&D went backwards. Yet the deputy buffoon, Turner, whoops about 'best quarter ever'. With 80% of Client revenues coming from OEM, the increase in PC sales was the driver, not | Jan 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | deferred revenue should be banned by law | Jan 31 20:05 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: onde eu fico | Jan 31 20:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malry: yeah, reading minimsft one can only conclude the company is bound for an implosion | Jan 31 20:05 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: na outra rede de irc | Jan 31 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | but in the grand scheme of business maneuvers that should be banned but aren't, deferred revenue is not that important | Jan 31 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: entendi | Jan 31 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: pq? | Jan 31 20:06 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC>without deferred revenue, MS lost revenue almost everywhere | Jan 31 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Jan 31 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: What other IRC network? | Jan 31 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 20:06 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: pq ele fez isso? nao sei | Jan 31 20:06 |
| rnb | ugh, seriously | Jan 31 20:07 |
| rnb | DaemonFC makes me not want to come here | Jan 31 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: vete a la mierda | Jan 31 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 31 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malry | rnb> DaemonFC has some interesting comments too at time. | Jan 31 20:09 |
| MarcusKoze | whats that , spanish or portuguese ? | Jan 31 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Yo quiero ser un gran traficante de drogas colombiano | Jan 31 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jan 31 20:11 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Myself I have trouble understanding why codecs are things that impact the free running of the internet, are allowed by govs to be copyrighted and/or patented. They should be placed immediately in the public domain | Jan 31 20:11 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: you are officially on /ignore | Jan 31 20:12 |
| *FurnaceBoy ta rindo | Jan 31 20:12 | |
| rnb | 12:09 Ignoring ALL from DaemonFC | Jan 31 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: What's so funny? | Jan 31 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Why so serious? B-) | Jan 31 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malry | The internet needs to run on free open standards, and codecs/multimedia extenstions have all been a way used by corps to try to harnish that which is free, into pay | Jan 31 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malry | therefore, there should be a movement to make these public domain or even open | Jan 31 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malry | copyright infringers, or pirates if you want to call them that, have in fact (defacto) already in some ways made them the standard. | Jan 31 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malry: The solution to proprietary codecs is already there, but big businesses back each other up | Jan 31 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malry | I would actually say that the fight of "standards" needs to be carried even further into the MS api's. The ones that run the software, that wine could use | Jan 31 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | they're probably not even charging Apple or Google licensing fees because they want to format to get popular | Jan 31 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Apple for that matter too | Jan 31 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Apple actually owns a lot of MPEG-4 patents | Jan 31 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they already have the rights to use that anyway | Jan 31 20:18 |
| Chips_B_Malry | and h.264 | Jan 31 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of DVD players will play DIVX/XVID but not h.264 | Jan 31 20:19 |
| Chips_B_Malry | Apple also has cocoa, another way to make software that only runs on OS X, its like the windows api's | Jan 31 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed I can use XVID with audio being AAC or MP3 or WMA on mine | Jan 31 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Firefox had to reverse engineer some of that themselves | Jan 31 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and quartz | Jan 31 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | *Mozilla rather | Jan 31 20:20 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC> a lot of DVD players will play DIVX/XVID but not h.264---yes like Philips | Jan 31 20:20 |
| Chips_B_Malry | about a 20% reduction is my guest for h.264 files sizewise | Jan 31 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malry | *guess | Jan 31 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malry | This is why its going take over, h.264 apple codec, its smaller to download. and its already taken over | Jan 31 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I still use xvid | Jan 31 20:23 |
| Chips_B_Malry | for the most part | Jan 31 20:23 |
| Chips_B_Malry | xvid here too | Jan 31 20:23 |
| _Goblin | and here | Jan 31 20:23 |
| Chips_B_Malry | there is a corruption in conversion of the h.264 files | Jan 31 20:23 |
| Chips_B_Malry | with many files that are h.264 | Jan 31 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malry | not all | Jan 31 20:24 |
| _Goblin | I don't see h264 as an issue...the "scene" is run by people who want their media to play in generic DVD machines....since h264 is not compat (with most), I can't see it getting a foothold. | Jan 31 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | xvid is just better supported in software and hardware | Jan 31 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | and both xvid and h.264 are not that different in quality | Jan 31 20:25 |
| _Goblin | true | Jan 31 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malry | I have had to convert them first to Mpeg1 VCD with the r=30 command in ffmeg (command line only) and then the avi | Jan 31 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malry | otherwise, I get a distortion in the video after conversion to play on a divx home player across the middle right band | Jan 31 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malry | youtube is full of h.264 now | Jan 31 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malry | DaemonFC and Goblin> http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22071 look at coment #9 | Jan 31 20:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malry | ffmpeg -i yourfilename.flv -vcodec mpeg1video -r 30 yourfilename.mpg | Jan 31 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malry | never could get a direct to avi to work without the corruption, neither could I get the frontend programs like WinFF to convert even to mpeg1 vcd without corruption | Jan 31 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5bsQ_YDYCI&feature=player_embedded# Drop of water | Jan 31 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malry | h.264 with wierd 15 frame rate problem, leads to some video coruption | Jan 31 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/875.jpg | Jan 31 20:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malry | but that is sort of a work-around the problem, but have to convert twice | Jan 31 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malry | although mpeg1 vcd do play, they lose the ratio many times on the home divx player | Jan 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/DDevine_au/statuses/8453044898 | Jan 31 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | This guy uses an avatar of him and Linus... | Jan 31 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malry | later all | Jan 31 20:39 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hi | Jan 31 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop being so racist | Jan 31 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I've just caught up | Jan 31 20:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Jan 31 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that will have the same effect as yelling at the TV | Jan 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow I go London for filming of a documentary, so I need to prepare some notes... haven't done Linux news now for almost 2 days. | Jan 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: DaemonFOX just says that to provoke | Jan 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | He wants to elevate his rating, like Beck | Jan 31 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know the type | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I got some nice mail today... | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > Aloha Roy, | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for responding back. I actually didn't think anyone or you would have actually responded, mostly because it takes a lot of time. I will keep this message short no worry. I was surprised to see how you responded back, using the same subject line, but I gather in that this is your method, sort like cut and paste, but with a macro? I think that is done because you must be using plain text viewing, right? | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | With lots of pictures | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Someone wants BN to do cartoons | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't do good ones, though | Jan 31 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Jan 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber might do | Jan 31 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | that would be neat. | Jan 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | She does this professionally | Jan 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Let me mail he quickly | Jan 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | We need to have some help preparing friendly comical cartoon to explain the merit of Free/Open Source software? | Jan 31 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Some people think so anyway..... | Jan 31 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > As you might have noticed, my email was formatted using html, so it supports inline photos, and all the additional advantages. | Jan 31 20:45 |
| schestowitz | > Another thought, would be to provide a who's who's data base, sort like China Vitae does... Take a look above (inline jpg) to get the idea, http://www.chinavitae.com/biography/Hu_Jintao. You can search for any Chinese public official, and get their biography. This could be of some help for the public to insure when they invest their money, which businesses are on the black list, for immoral or illegal behavior... | Jan 31 20:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: China Vitae : Biography .::. Size~: 5.37 KB | Jan 31 20:46 |
| schestowitz | > I'm sure Microsoft would loath the very thought of their public image on display, as it's normal for them to get the legal system having been found guilty to settle using NDA (non-disclosure agreements) so the public is not informed about the truth. That should be a crime against society, as why should the truth be hidden, and the lie rewarded? | Jan 31 20:46 |
| mikeyc | hey roy | Jan 31 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He sent me screenshots | Jan 31 20:46 |
| schestowitz | hey, mikeyc | Jan 31 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well all that is true. they hacked the system. | Jan 31 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Gates literally fought the Law and won. | Jan 31 20:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: like some other recent anti-celebrities | Jan 31 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/mexicant/ | Jan 31 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Jan 31 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/walmarx-always-corporate-greed-always/ | Jan 31 20:48 |
| mikeyc | ok then what are your thoughts on man made earthquKES? | Jan 31 20:49 |
| mikeyc | :) | Jan 31 20:49 |
| mikeyc | do they exist | Jan 31 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/canadians-are-ehholes/ | Jan 31 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/420-i-dont-smoke-pot/ | Jan 31 20:50 |
| mikeyc | earthquakes that is, nikola tesla et al | Jan 31 20:50 |
| *DaemonFC presses the "earthquake button" and aims for mikeyc | Jan 31 20:50 | |
| DaemonFC | If we had an earthquake weapon, I could think of better places to fire it than Haiti | Jan 31 20:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it'd be funny to see a "get Chewie a medal for the Battle Of Yavin" Facebook campaign site, to see how far and wide it gets mentioned lol | Jan 31 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | if we had an earthquake beam, wouldn't Chavez be too afraid to make an ass of himself? | Jan 31 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/when-life-hands-you-high-fructose-corn-syrup-citric-acid-make-lemonade/ | Jan 31 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's a good one | Jan 31 20:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you have a wonderful knack of allowing the specific to forestall any consideration of the general | Jan 31 20:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's an escape mechanism. one day you'll realise that. | Jan 31 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Would you....piss off...someone with a "earthquake beam"? | Jan 31 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | yes/no | Jan 31 20:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: would you think about the context of Chavez [no] / [no] | Jan 31 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Context of accusing us of having an earthquake beam. | Jan 31 20:57 |
| *FurnaceBoy has other stuff to do. boa tarde! | Jan 31 20:57 | |
| DaemonFC | He needs to be in a nuthouse? | Jan 31 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like I said, you allow specifics to short-circuit any actual reflection. | Jan 31 20:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm obviously not interested in discussing anything related with your type | Jan 31 20:57 |
| *FurnaceBoy waves | Jan 31 20:57 | |
| DaemonFC | so he comes out and accuses of of whipping out our earthquake beam to ravage a third world country | Jan 31 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and that's the part that stuck out | Jan 31 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 31 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | *us of | Jan 31 20:58 |
| *FurnaceBoy (~FurnaceBo@BAS1-TORONTO10-1279748207.dsl.bell.ca) has left #boycottnovell ("no mood for American idiots today, ate mais tarde") | Jan 31 20:58 | |
| MarcusKoze | hey, does the color asigned to usernames have any meaning ? or just random ? | Jan 31 20:59 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean in the user-list | Jan 31 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M | Jan 31 20:59 |
| schestowitz | > I just don’t like Microsoft, because of how they operate, by attacking open source software, calling it a caner, claiming it’s infringes upon their hidden code, etc… I have attached an ebook titled “Barbarians Led by Bill Gates”, in case you haven’t read the inside story from within Microsoft. | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Did anyone ever read it? | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I'm looking through it now | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Written by W-E's daughter | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | aggener | Jan 31 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Waggener | Jan 31 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They spill the toilet on Bill Gates | Jan 31 21:02 |
| MarcusKoze | haha | Jan 31 21:02 |
| MarcusKoze | could you put it in the public domain ? | Jan 31 21:02 |
| MarcusKoze | or is it so secret ? | Jan 31 21:02 |
| MarcusKoze | i'd like to see softers covered in shit (literaly) | Jan 31 21:03 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: will you ? | Jan 31 21:05 |
| schestowitz | COpyrighted | Jan 31 21:06 |
| mikeyc | No sheep Daemon? | Jan 31 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed it to me without me asking | Jan 31 21:06 |
| mikeyc | Processed mindset? | Jan 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | But he mailed me another juicy timeline he had prepared | Jan 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I'll post it next week sometime... | Jan 31 21:07 |
| MarcusKoze | k | Jan 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: I can quote portions of the book (fair use) | Jan 31 21:07 |
| MarcusKoze | oki doki, i'll wait for the posts :D | Jan 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | W\ith reference to the book's outlets or whatever | Jan 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm preparing for tomorrow at the moment... | Jan 31 21:08 |
| schestowitz | "We'll focus on gartner and try to challenge (with examples) their policy of "independence and transparency" as they advertise it on their website. That will lead us to the colfict of interest issue." | Jan 31 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20100131/NEWS06/100131005/1002/NEWS01/Indiana-carbon-dioxide-pipeline-bill-advances | Jan 31 21:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indiana carbon dioxide pipeline bill advances | thestarpress.com | The Star Press .::. Size~: 50.88 KB | Jan 31 21:08 |
| schestowitz | "We'll come back to the Y2K issue where Gartner played a significant role. They gave the first cost-estimate that alerted the world. They established a ranking of countries more or less prepared to meet this challenge (some countries like russia and italy or india got very bad rankings but none of them failed). It will be another occasion to talk about gartner's interests and conflict of interest as well as the power they have to | Jan 31 21:08 |
| schestowitz | spread fear among the IT world and beyond." | Jan 31 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Put it in a pipe and run it into rnb's house while he's asleep | Jan 31 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | sequester it in there | Jan 31 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 31 21:09 |
| mikeyc | Sorry but thats utter bollocks | Jan 31 21:09 |
| schestowitz | You're upsetting people here, just like DiabloD3 | Jan 31 21:09 |
| mikeyc | Daemon | Jan 31 21:09 |
| mikeyc | :) | Jan 31 21:09 |
| schestowitz | He's trolling again | Jan 31 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Off his pills | Jan 31 21:09 |
| MarcusKoze | DaemonFC: coem on man, you used to be cooler than that | Jan 31 21:10 |
| MarcusKoze | whats wrong with ya ? | Jan 31 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | sheep? electric sheep? | Jan 31 21:11 |
| *mikeyc (~5acc2346@gateway/web/freenode/x-heidfoxlpypoxqfr) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 31 21:11 | |
| *DaemonFC waves his fingers in the air and shouts "I am not a sheep!" | Jan 31 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC | baaaaaaaah | Jan 31 21:11 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: are you sure he was cool? :-| | Jan 31 21:11 |
| schestowitz | He upsets a lot of people | Jan 31 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Deliberately | Jan 31 21:11 |
| schestowitz | And that's what makes it worse | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He was banned from here for periods of time (cool-off time) | Jan 31 21:12 |
| mikeyc | who was | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he was spreading a lot of hatred | Jan 31 21:12 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | But he has been mostly better for the past few months | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | No ban in many months | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Not my choice, either | Jan 31 21:13 |
| schestowitz | People pressured for the ban | Jan 31 21:13 |
| schestowitz | So I could only upset someone | Jan 31 21:13 |
| mikeyc | is that the guy that thinks america has an earthquake 'beam', total fuckwit, it's based on resonance:) | Jan 31 21:13 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: do those colors from the users list mean anything or are they random ? | Jan 31 21:13 |
| schestowitz | We haven't had ops in this channel for months | Jan 31 21:13 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: depends what s/w you use | Jan 31 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Users don't have colours | Jan 31 21:14 |
| MarcusKoze | pidgin here | Jan 31 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: Hugo Chavez is either paranoid delusional or just saying things he figures people in his country will believe and be afraid of | Jan 31 21:14 |
| mikeyc | ya de yada | Jan 31 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | the USA is a political scapegoat tha he can make tons of biased political accusations against with not one shred of evidence | Jan 31 21:14 |
| mikeyc | and you just lorve their bananas?! | Jan 31 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | and the world doesn't even ask him for any evidence, even with a claim this unbelievable | Jan 31 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | he forgave the oil debt to Haiti, he can just charge us more and make us cover it | Jan 31 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | aren't we nice? | Jan 31 21:15 |
| mikeyc | and imposed food debt | Jan 31 21:16 |
| mikeyc | dependency | Jan 31 21:16 |
| *DaemonFC pushes the earthquake button a few more times | Jan 31 21:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I want to know how the earthquake button works so I can get one | Jan 31 21:18 |
| mikeyc | ooh, that pesky earthquake button | Jan 31 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | does Mr. Chavez have any blueprints? | Jan 31 21:18 |
| mikeyc | mmmmm | Jan 31 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | cause the last one I saw, I was like 5 years old and in a children's museum on a field trip | Jan 31 21:19 |
| MarcusKoze | have a nice one everybody. and a chill one too (DaemonFC ...) | Jan 31 21:19 |
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| mikeyc | you mean someone once took YOU to a museum | Jan 31 21:20 |
| mikeyc | :) | Jan 31 21:20 |
| mikeyc | what a waste | Jan 31 21:20 |
| mikeyc | ver dismissive | Jan 31 21:20 |
| mikeyc | i imagine | Jan 31 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | leave it to American ingenuity to expand the earthquake machine I saw in the children's museum to a scale for 500 million or so | Jan 31 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | and somehow deploy it in Haiti | Jan 31 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I mean that is impressive | Jan 31 21:21 |
| mikeyc | what from your childhood museum? | Jan 31 21:21 |
| mikeyc | wow | Jan 31 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I assume that's the base technology that Chavez is talking about | Jan 31 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how they got it installed under Port Au Prince and found a wall outlet big enough | Jan 31 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | but I am impressed | Jan 31 21:22 |
| mikeyc | a wall indeed? | Jan 31 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah | Jan 31 21:22 |
| mikeyc | is that how it works? | Jan 31 21:22 |
| mikeyc | tell me more mr earthq2uake? | Jan 31 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | the Americans had to build this really big house, so tall that it would almost strike the moon | Jan 31 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | just to make a wall outlet big enough | Jan 31 21:23 |
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| mikeyc | very good | Jan 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | mikeyc: bears in mind that DaemonFOX never left north America | Jan 31 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | they plugged it into the living room you see | Jan 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | *bear | Jan 31 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | and flipped it on | Jan 31 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | and the power browned out across the world for well over half an hour | Jan 31 21:23 |
| mikeyc | i gathered demons geographical limitations | Jan 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | He can't see flaws | Jan 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I showed him a Pilger film on Guatamala... he was unmoved | Jan 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | But at the same time he rants about his government | Jan 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Over internal policies | Jan 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Never foreign policies | Jan 31 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | they turned everyone's TV sets to CSPAN all at once | Jan 31 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | so they'd flip them off and not notice the brownout | Jan 31 21:24 |
| mikeyc | who, the earthquake people? | Jan 31 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | IOW, he wants his government to torture and mess up anything, as long as they are not white or somehting | Jan 31 21:24 |
| mikeyc | oh dear | Jan 31 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | RAND is in charge of it | Jan 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | And they need to PRESS HARDER | Jan 31 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Cause this way he gets MORE | Jan 31 21:25 |
| mikeyc | Daemon, you ok? | Jan 31 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Jan 31 21:25 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Something is getting me at moment I cannot find on any sharemarket site I know MSFT blance sheet, income statement or cash flow for dec 31 2009 | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to be polite towards him | Jan 31 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I uncovered the conspiracy | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It's just that he's being rude to regulars here, not me | Jan 31 21:26 |
| mikeyc | this is all just vicarious, you do know that don't you, earthquake boy? | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did you see Malroy's comments? | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/31/microsoft-war-on-torrent/#comments | Jan 31 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Makes Hollywood Happy: Microsoft Sues BitTorrent Tracker for $43,000,000 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.42 KB | Jan 31 21:26 |
| mikeyc | daemon, join in | Jan 31 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, I want to go public and back up Mr. Chavez on the fundamental workings of his accusation | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | As MS continues to decline in profits they will become more disparate for money. It is clear from a comment at Mini, the direction of things to come short term at MS: | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2010/01/microsoft-fy10q2-results.html?showComment=1264876924027#c8201273057094733373 | Jan 31 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mini-Microsoft: Microsoft FY10Q2 Results .::. Size~: 141.99 KB | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Quote: "Windows 7 was available for ordering in the first quarter of fiscal year 2010. | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Revenue July--Dec 2008 was $31.7B | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Revenue July--Dec 2009 is $31.9B | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Virtually flat. We have launched a new operating system, and still making only as much revenue as during the recession season. | Jan 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Now let us look at the net income equation. | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Income July--Dec 2008 was $8.54B | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Income July--Dec 2009 is $10.23B | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 31 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | the house with the wall outlet is still there, we just put a cloaking device around it | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "A growth of almost 20%. Where is this growth coming from? Cost cutting and layoffs. Expect more of what worked." | Jan 31 21:27 |
| mikeyc | Earthquake generation would be a fascinating topic | Jan 31 21:27 |
| mikeyc | you lead demon | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "Also expect more lawsuits for copywrite/patent infringement. And how can you be sure, that MS will never sue individual user like the media companies have? MS has data mined much of their software to phone home, including Windows and Office. Its not like they do not have the data already who to sue. " | Jan 31 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | HAARP | Jan 31 21:27 |
| mikeyc | haarp | Jan 31 21:27 |
| mikeyc | but you were so cynical | Jan 31 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Jesse Ventura will tell you all about HAARP on TruTV | Jan 31 21:27 |
| mikeyc | is it real | Jan 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Remember how the US sprays south Vietnam with chemicals 'after' the war.. | Jan 31 21:28 |
| mikeyc | ok i will tune in | Jan 31 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | meh, they're there and doing something | Jan 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Unnecessary aggression that experimented (killed) with a huge number of civilian casualties | Jan 31 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | atmospheric research or whatever | Jan 31 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | sounds really boring | Jan 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | The Earthquake in Haiti was natural, but in general, unnecessary aggression is not unprecedented | Jan 31 21:28 |
| mikeyc | the lord has spoken | Jan 31 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | so people turn it into an earthquake machine | Jan 31 21:29 |
| mikeyc | blame chavez | Jan 31 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Do you know the RISK of getting caught preparing such things? | Jan 31 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | every time the government doesn't explain away something, it's a weapon | Jan 31 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | a weapon of catastrophic sxale | Jan 31 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | we're building the Death Star up in Alaska | Jan 31 21:29 |
| mikeyc | ?? | Jan 31 21:30 |
| schestowitz | They actually work in the US now on bombs that blur the gap between nuclear and conventional | Jan 31 21:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] a Chewie medal campaign would be light hearted to see if we could get Lucasarts to do a post with picture "righting a wrong" on starwars.com | Jan 31 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | I.e. escape Geneva conventions and nuke countries without it qualifying as nuclear | Jan 31 21:30 |
| schestowitz | That's what I learned the other day | Jan 31 21:30 |
| schestowitz | About Obama's budget...... | Jan 31 21:30 |
| schestowitz | He cut off supply of money to space missions | Jan 31 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I guess the new satellite wars might favour the Chinese | Jan 31 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see a conventional explosive that could match that kind of power | Jan 31 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Although with satellites from China up there, we might see some high defect rates and big machines falling from the sky | Jan 31 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Now I know what the problem is. (Unaudited) cannot be entered into sharemarket trackers http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY10/earn_rel_q2_10.mspx | Jan 31 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, there's a group calling attention to the earned income tax credit | Jan 31 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | not calling attention to its age discrimination though | Jan 31 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can't file for it if you' under 25 | Jan 31 21:32 |
| mikeyc | how does it discrimate | Jan 31 21:32 |
| mikeyc | discriminate | Jan 31 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Now big question why in 31 days they could not got there reports Audited that is a big thing. schestowitz | Jan 31 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | so 25 and over get their full refund, and under 25 can't get that part | Jan 31 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's their way of making 18-24 year olds in poverty go without $300 that they otherwise could have qualified for | Jan 31 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | well, $300 to around $600 | Jan 31 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a lot but it could pay rent for 3-4 weeks | Jan 31 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | anyhow, I just never understood why they think 25 year olds and over need it, but not 34 year olds and under | Jan 31 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | EITC isn't even a welfare, it just gives back money you made that they took | Jan 31 21:35 |
| mikeyc | it's a good job we can show the path to the moral highground | Jan 31 21:35 |
| mikeyc | are intellect and morality related? | Jan 31 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 31 21:35 |
| mikeyc | chav et al | Jan 31 21:35 |
| mikeyc | horrible word | Jan 31 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that there is such a thing as nuclear weapons shows there there is no relation | Jan 31 21:36 |
| mikeyc | between? | Jan 31 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | people that intelligent have to know that they're turning the knowledge over and that it will be used for mass murder | Jan 31 21:36 |
| oiaohm | You cannot say that. | Jan 31 21:37 |
| oiaohm | not with nukes at least. | Jan 31 21:37 |
| oiaohm | Albert enistine predected how nukes would be used. | Jan 31 21:37 |
| mikeyc | so we need to be dumbed down? | Jan 31 21:37 |
| mikeyc | to slow down the evil | Jan 31 21:37 |
| oiaohm | He had the idea give people big and bigger bombs one day they would be too big and scary for anyone to use. | Jan 31 21:38 |
| mikeyc | a cul de sac | Jan 31 21:38 |
| mikeyc | good | Jan 31 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Obama just got done giving the death kiss to NASA | Jan 31 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's just so far beyond disgusting | Jan 31 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | we have money whenever millions of third world immigrants want to come here illegally and get whatever they want paid for in tax money | Jan 31 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | NASA doesn't cost half of that | Jan 31 21:41 |
| mikeyc | yeah i agree, just as well you got haitis interests at heart | Jan 31 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | the "temporary" whatchamacallit does not benefit Haiti | Jan 31 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | at all | Jan 31 21:41 |
| mikeyc | with you humanitarean occupation | Jan 31 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's still millions of people in tent vallages there even if they are that lucky | Jan 31 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | what this 18 month deal does is allow people that were here already to not worry about their violations of immigration law | Jan 31 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | if they get stopped and asked about it, they can just say they came here the day after the earthquake | Jan 31 21:43 |
| oiaohm | O by you got to be kidding me. The MS blance sheet for the quater numbers say its not it a 12 month blance sheet. | Jan 31 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | the ones we are taking in will never go back | Jan 31 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | they'll just fan out across the other 49 states | Jan 31 21:43 |
| mikeyc | and you think by virtue of being in the lucky sperm club you are that much more worthwhile | Jan 31 21:43 |
| mikeyc | surely YOU cant be that conceited | Jan 31 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | the constitution says so | Jan 31 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | the law says they are not welcome here | Jan 31 21:44 |
| mikeyc | thats ok then | Jan 31 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | so we're making exceptions to the law and the cosntitution | Jan 31 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | to overwhelm the country with an even bigger drain | Jan 31 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that even Canada can be so damned stupid as to let anyone get a visa, bring no skills to Canada, and not have any guarantees about finding work | Jan 31 21:45 |
| mikeyc | than you? | Jan 31 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | "No, we just want to live off your system" | Jan 31 21:45 |
| mikeyc | and you? | Jan 31 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | Would Canada let in immigrants like that? | Jan 31 21:45 |
| MinceR | http://img.waffleimages.com/75d80e25cc1366c4eca27ac0cb345bb0cf82fa22/humble-oil.png | Jan 31 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | Is Canada geared up to let in people who are net drain on Canada come in and live indefinitely? | Jan 31 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I want to hear right now. would they do it? | Jan 31 21:46 |
| mikeyc | I think a lot of these people are capable of working far harder than you might imagine> | Jan 31 21:47 |
| mikeyc | perhaps even more than yourself:) | Jan 31 21:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: audited by the SEC? | Jan 31 21:47 |
| mikeyc | and they are probably more compassionate. | Jan 31 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: I wasn't planning on doing that kind of stuff anyway | Jan 31 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | and even if I did need to, then why let them take jobs that millions of Americans could be doing who are on unemployment right now? | Jan 31 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Until there's enough for everyone that's here, why let more in? | Jan 31 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | you're talking about letting more people into a ship that is taking on water | Jan 31 21:48 |
| oiaohm | I don't know the USA sharemarket audit requirements schestowitz. Here its use a goverment and asx approved firm for auditing. Does not cost much as long as you have all you paperwork in order. | Jan 31 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | "When the jobs come back, instead of giving them to Americans who are unemployed, let's give them to illegal aliens and let our own people sleep on park benches and starve" | Jan 31 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | "After all, leaving illegal aliens to starve and sleep on benches would be even more of a crime" | Jan 31 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: If a man was threatening to kill a close family member of yours or a complete stranger, but let you pick, which would you choose?" | Jan 31 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | You can only let one of them live. | Jan 31 21:52 |
| oiaohm | Problem I have with those MS numbers since they are not audited they can be doing a big E. | Jan 31 21:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what I don't get is, how does Microsoft go forward comparing quarters y-2-y now? | Jan 31 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They basically shafted one for the other | Jan 31 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | mikeyc: The problem you don't see is that sometimes we have to make choices like that. | Jan 31 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Deferrals | Jan 31 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | nobody likes making a choice like that, but everyone would choose to save one of their own first | Jan 31 21:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX is also against reparations for blacks who were once slaves | Jan 31 21:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: No reporter worth there salt should have been reporting unaudited numbers. They should have learnt there lesson from enron | Jan 31 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | they're dead | Jan 31 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | they don't need reparations | Jan 31 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | there are no blacks alive in this country who were slaves | Jan 31 21:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: are Microsoft's other results audited? | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: MOST importanly, Microsoft's CFO QUIT last month | Jan 31 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I refuse to entertain the thought that it's a legitimate issue | Jan 31 21:54 |
| oiaohm | Everything bar the last quater is yes. schestowitz | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | This isn't some minor thing | Jan 31 21:54 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem schestowitz | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe GM needed a new cook | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe Microsoft's Klein doesn't know what he's doing | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | The replacement was a rush job | Jan 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Liddell just fled | Jan 31 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Maybe someone in your family was murdered 18 generations back, should you be able to sue his direct descendents living today? | Jan 31 21:55 |
| oiaohm | Liddell fled audited books are even more important schestowitz | Jan 31 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | can you? | Jan 31 21:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can we defend and prove it? | Jan 31 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to post speculations | Jan 31 21:55 |
| oiaohm | I cannot find a audited version of the MS 4 quater results. | Jan 31 21:56 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't need audit | Jan 31 21:56 |
| oiaohm | The bit I need answered is how late are they allowed to be for the MS stock exchange. | Jan 31 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is above the law :0-) | Jan 31 21:56 |
| oiaohm | It cannot be submited to the stock exchange main record until it is. | Jan 31 21:57 |
| oiaohm | And if you miss submitting company listing on the stock exchange can be frozon from trade. | Jan 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | New page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/IDC | Jan 31 21:57 |
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| oiaohm | This is why companies are normally not late submitting. | Jan 31 21:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think Novell had that issue | Jan 31 21:58 |
| schestowitz | It risked delisting from the NASDAQ before the Microsoft cash infusion | Jan 31 21:58 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jan 31 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I think Novell had its thing delayed recently, again | Jan 31 21:58 |
| schestowitz | And the SEC gave it OK | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Jan 31 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Yet that will normally have a formal exention. | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I operate on the assumption that fraud is prevalent there | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | "But everything is doing it," they say | Jan 31 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Or changed to 12 month reporting. | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | They just need to know how to hide it | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft committed financial fraud | Jan 31 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It bribed the whistleblower | Jan 31 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Once you are under a particular point of income on a stock exchnage you only have to report every 12 months to the stock exchange. | Jan 31 21:59 |
| oiaohm | From Novells numbers they could be there. | Jan 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But we need more proof | Jan 31 22:00 |
| oiaohm | What we need is when is the last point you have to submit. | Jan 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | This goes into IRC log, but this is not something I can back with testimony from insiders | Jan 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | People are cowards, we need wikileaks back | Jan 31 22:00 |
| oiaohm | Here in australia its 30 days after the date the information is on schestowitz | Jan 31 22:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie if it was here Ms would current be in breach. | Jan 31 22:01 |
| oiaohm | USA rules I don't know schestowitz | Jan 31 22:01 |
| oiaohm | For sure it will not be more than the next report. | Jan 31 22:02 |
| oiaohm | But waiting 3 months before reporting on someone no doing there reports audited is a little too long to let it go. | Jan 31 22:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/girl+arrested+sexting/2502320/story.html | Jan 31 22:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "writing this post from an NY-SF flight. Do you have any idea how many OPEN standards .. make this work?" @glynmoody http://bit.ly/aPOE3D | Jan 31 22:06 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: The big thing that worries me this is the first time I know of that MSFT reporting has not been at the sharemarket before the data and audited. | Jan 31 22:10 |
| oiaohm | data/date | Jan 31 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://pastebin.com/ffea0b53 | Jan 31 22:11 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 31 22:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 31 22:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New page with information about IDC, the analyst firm owned by IDG. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/IDC additions welcomed | Jan 31 22:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So, #Adobe, do you have the cojones to #opensource #Flash? (@glynmoody) http://bit.ly/aPOE3D | Jan 31 22:16 | |
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| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/371751/ Great | Jan 31 22:21 |
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| oiaohm | Watch a video from a country that does not have to pay patents. Since they did not licence and you are sitting in a country that has to pay patents you are now libibale for the patent licence | Jan 31 22:22 |
| oiaohm | How unfair is that. | Jan 31 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: we can keep it in mind and use this discussion in the future | Jan 31 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But I don't think we have a smoking gun just yet | Jan 31 22:27 |
| schestowitz | And I won't be catching up with Microsoft new before next weekend | Jan 31 22:28 |
| oiaohm | I just wish i could find the USA stock exchange rules. So I know when we have a smoking gun. | Jan 31 22:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Indian farmers sometimes commit suicide too | Jan 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Debt and Monsanto | Jan 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | And they kill just themselves | Jan 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: go for it! | Jan 31 22:30 |
| oiaohm | USA stock exchange is someone in the size of a document to kill anything a printed copy landed on. | Jan 31 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Is its rules. | Jan 31 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Now finding particular ones is a pain in ass | Jan 31 22:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sorry, #Firefox, we've been together a long time, but you DO need an intervention on your bloat problem, even if many ppl won't mention it. | Jan 31 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | Did you ask PJ? | Jan 31 22:38 |
| schestowitz | She ought to know from SCO stuff | Jan 31 22:38 |
| schestowitz | pj2@groklaw.net | Jan 31 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Analyst_Groups | Jan 31 22:38 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's not so much groups of people that I dislike as it is the groups that people have put themselves into | Jan 31 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | as easy as it is to cry "Nazi Nazi Nazi!!!", it's harder to examine how people can come to the conclusions that have you simplifying them into Nazis | Jan 31 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | people that do the Nazi name calling usually do it because it's easier than to have a reasoned debate | Jan 31 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | so from there you get the Teabaggers | Jan 31 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/01/6323/ | Jan 31 22:42 |
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| DaemonFC | you may like that | Jan 31 22:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Reality is seeping into my dreams. | Jan 31 22:43 | |
| DaemonFC | "Here is a dirty little secret. Developing countries are only “Third World” for the desperately poor (i.e. the majority.) The sliver of wealthy people in these nations often live like kings. They have privatized services and are pampered in every imaginable way. They frequently jet off to beautiful flats in Paris, New York and London, while “the people” suffer in anonymity back home. While living in such luxury, t | Jan 31 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite bit | Jan 31 22:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Vonster I could easily eat Indian food every day and never get tired of it. // how fortunate then, are the Indians! | Jan 31 22:45 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.asx.com.au/ListingRules/chapters/Chapter04.pdf This is the rule set I am looking for but for the nasdaq any ideas USA people what it would be called. | Jan 31 22:45 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You get apartheid for the majority of Mexicans living in their own country | Jan 31 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's the disgusting part | Jan 31 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | there's enough money in Mexico, it's just all at the very top | Jan 31 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | and that's what the Teabaggers are trying to get done in America, they just don't know it | Jan 31 22:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@crikey_news "wind power .. increased by 39%, bad news for people who want US to remain reliant on #oil" // 39% of nothing is still nothing | Jan 31 22:47 | |
| DaemonFC | Mexico will never improve as long as it's easier for the Mexicans to jump over a fence and come here and let their own country burn than it is to fix Mexico | Jan 31 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | if they couldn't all just flee here, there would be a revolt | Jan 31 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | they would overthrow their government | Jan 31 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | and they would reform it | Jan 31 22:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.nasdaq.com/about/RegRequirements.pdf There page 27 is interesting | Jan 31 22:50 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.nasdaq.com/about/RegRequirements.pdf There page 27 is interesting | Jan 31 22:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/Somnia/article1449927/ "The body scanners get all the media attention because of the sexual undertone, while the legalization of discrimination gets ignored. There is now [in the U.S.] an official policy of discrimination, of treating people differently according to their ethnic background, and there's no outcry. | Jan 31 22:51 |
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| DaemonFC | the backlash of tax cuts has already started here where I live | Jan 31 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | the politicians are taking it out on the poor and middle class by eliminating basic services | Jan 31 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | or charging more for what used to be available free to everyone | Jan 31 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/bad-press-in-haiti-why-the-focus-on-looting/article1450114/ Rebecca Solnit says in disasters, journalists often concentrate on crimes rather than the desperation behind them | Jan 31 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I think just about anyone would loot given the chance | Jan 31 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | shooting at the police is something else | Jan 31 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to shoot a police officer so I can make off with a TV, for example | Jan 31 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | you had that kind of shit going on during Katrina | Jan 31 22:54 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/33-8128.htm#IIA Found it MS has 45 days from the quater to do the report. So 14 of this month. | Jan 31 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | I've heard all your nonsense on this topic before, DaemonFC | Jan 31 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | the news reports that, they're racist all of a sudden | Jan 31 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | so the liberals want the news to censor itself | Jan 31 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you are completely ignorant of any way of life but your own | Jan 31 22:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: if they don't have a audited one by then they are how can I put it in trouble. | Jan 31 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | for racial sensitivity reasons | Jan 31 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: take a few years off and leave the US, learn something about the world, before you judge it | Jan 31 22:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: but they are ment to aim for 30 days. | Jan 31 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | mindset of people probably doesn't change | Jan 31 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm giving you the benefit of that doubt | Jan 31 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | at a basic level we all just want to defend what's ours | Jan 31 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | take the other guys stuff if he shows a weakness | Jan 31 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: at a basic level we want to fracking EAT. | Jan 31 22:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.clm.com/publication.cfm/ID/62 Opps I am wrong. its 35 days. | Jan 31 22:57 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go look up 'desperation' in a dictionary | Jan 31 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | you can't eat a TV | Jan 31 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your own motives for looting, as detailed here, are not to eat; they are to steal. you're quite upfront about it. | Jan 31 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | maybe that would be a good title for a Katrina essay | Jan 31 22:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: see you in 4 days time if it has not turned MS should have some problems. | Jan 31 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: stop projecting your own fantasies on to starving Haitians | Jan 31 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Haitians were starving before the disaster, during the disaster, and will be after the disaster | Jan 31 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's just easier to loot when the police are tied down with other things | Jan 31 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: whatever you have to say about it is neither informed nor interesting | Jan 31 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: when I want blather from an ignorant, closed minded, privileged white schmuck, I'll ping you | Jan 31 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | their government is corrupt | Jan 31 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Mexico only worse | Jan 31 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yours is about as low on that scale as it's possible to go, so who's talking? | Jan 31 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I don't warm my hands over a trash fire and sleep in a box while 1% of the country really does have everything | Jan 31 23:01 |
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| oiaohm | TV can tell you want is going on so you know were to go for food. DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Its what you are planing to use the nicked item for is important. | Jan 31 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I need the 62" Plasma TV to monitor the Emergency Broadcast System.... | Jan 31 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 31 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC | and to watch Leno make fun of the disaster | Jan 31 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | and to have leftist liberals criticize the government's lack of rapid response while looters were shooting the police | Jan 31 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | and Pat Robertson blame anal sex and the pact with the devil | Jan 31 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: good job | Jan 31 23:08 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 31 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your capacity for self-contradiction is amazing. | Jan 31 23:12 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy: lol :P | Jan 31 23:12 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you admit that self-interest is ok in your own case, but never ok for those in far greater need than yourself. | Jan 31 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: have you ever known hunger? lack of shelter? inability to obtain medical help? | Jan 31 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | and you would say the same thing | Jan 31 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | and so would anyone | Jan 31 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | quit being so high and mighty | Jan 31 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you project all your own irrationality on to others | Jan 31 23:14 |
| Omar87 | FurnaceBoy: agreed. | Jan 31 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm probably going to declare my candidacy for mayor | Jan 31 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | I hope it leaves you no time for irc | Jan 31 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I have until April to be on the primary ballot | Jan 31 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think the entire town is fed up with our current one | Jan 31 23:16 |
| _Goblin | they would have to be. | Jan 31 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | even with his yard sign warchest, the town hates him | Jan 31 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | can't keep fooling the voters forever I guess | Jan 31 23:16 |
| _Goblin | well, thats one thing we can say about you....you don't fool anyone. | Jan 31 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Jan 31 23:17 |
| Omar87 | LOL | Jan 31 23:17 |
| _Goblin | want me to run your campaign DaemonFC ? | Jan 31 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably run as a Democrat, they like me there | Jan 31 23:17 |
| _Goblin | I'll stop you walking into traps like that one. | Jan 31 23:18 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: yeah... right. :) | Jan 31 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | if not, then I'll run as an Independent | Jan 31 23:18 |
| _Goblin | why not president? | Jan 31 23:18 |
| _Goblin | 4 years to prepare.... | Jan 31 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't want to | Jan 31 23:18 |
| _Goblin | thats about enough time for you to decide what you actually believe. | Jan 31 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | the President has no real power | Jan 31 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | he owes too many favors by that point | Jan 31 23:19 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: you should take on Mr. Obama in 2012. :P | Jan 31 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | his hands are tied | Jan 31 23:19 |
| _Goblin | and if you were elected, that would probably be no bad thing. | Jan 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: good idea | Jan 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | With DaemonFC you know what you are getting | Jan 31 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't be any worse | Jan 31 23:19 |
| _Goblin | oh you could. | Jan 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't pretend too much. He just shows the inner monster | Jan 31 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is basically turning out to be Bush | Jan 31 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he'd have to fix that | Jan 31 23:20 |
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| DaemonFC | and where he's not, hes as bad or worse | Jan 31 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: are you surprised? they have the same scriptwriters. | Jan 31 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | Jan 31 23:20 | |
| DaemonFC | Bush didn't gut NASA | Jan 31 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | that finished off Obama for me | Jan 31 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | you think that even matters? | Jan 31 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Obama might as well have said "I destroyed NASA and I'm declaring officially that US innovation is dead" | Jan 31 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | he may as well have fucking said that in his state of the union | Jan 31 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | right there, those words | Jan 31 23:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it died decades ago | Jan 31 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | now we're going to dole out corporate welfare and even MORE MONEY than it would have cost to run Constellation | Jan 31 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the decline of innovation is the inverse of the rise of Microsoft | Jan 31 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | you do know that right? | Jan 31 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:22 |
| oiaohm | You think about NASA if people die it a big PR nightmare. | Jan 31 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | [23:20] <DaemonFC> Bush didn't gut NASA | Jan 31 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Slow and careful is better than fast and dead | Jan 31 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think corporate outsourcing of government programs could ever cost less, oiaohm? | Jan 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Neil the astronomer talked about this | Jan 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He said the people associated Republicans with anti-science | Jan 31 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Strangely enough here in Australia it has in places. DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Despite the fact they invest more in space | Jan 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Just because of Bush's Christian background and stance on environment and gene modification | Jan 31 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | government programs tend to be inefficient, but companies administering them create overhead and defraud the government | Jan 31 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Mainly due to the fact of the Public sector union making it almost impossiable to fire anyone no matter how bad they screw up DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it's almost always worse to privatize | Jan 31 23:24 |
| oiaohm | I guess you don't have a public sector union over there DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Look what it did to British rail | Jan 31 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them are unionized, oiaohm | Jan 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It used to be a pride | Jan 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | First railway system | Jan 31 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt is in a union and works at a state prison | Jan 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Now always late, considere clustered | Jan 31 23:25 |
| oiaohm | you want to work in the goverment you better own to the union here DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Thatcher privatised it | Jan 31 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Now privates here can simple disreguard unions. | Jan 31 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Her stories from that prison have my position on sex offenders as "Once you do that, especially to a child, I don't CARE about your rights anymore" | Jan 31 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | they ought to make all of them stick a sign out in their yard | Jan 31 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 31 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | before they do that, the law should be changed so pissing outside is not a sex offense though | Jan 31 23:27 |
| oiaohm | it all depends what sector has a major union problem or not. If you are in country where public does not have a union problem private is more expensive. If you are in a country where private and public have union problems it a toss up. If you are in a country where public has a union problem and private does not private is cheaper. | Jan 31 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: The funny thing is that even though Indiana has public assistance programs, and the governor has no power to shut them down, he is the administrator of all state employees | Jan 31 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | so he can just tell them to find ways to deny everyone for those programs | Jan 31 23:28 |
| oiaohm | So what way is cheeper alters country to country. DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | so he is telling the Medicaid program to deny everyone | Jan 31 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | you have to appeal that all the way into the federal courts before you might get it | Jan 31 23:29 |
| oiaohm | One of the funniest here. Was goverment owned prisions with out source management. | Jan 31 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: There was a prison takeover of an outsourced Indiana prison | Jan 31 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Turns out they have the lowest reoffend rates. | Jan 31 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | the prisoners subdued the staff | Jan 31 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | held them hostage for hours | Jan 31 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Since they pay rates are linked to the reoffend rates. | Jan 31 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | the company running the prison fired most of the guards when they took it over | Jan 31 23:30 |
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| oiaohm | Not something you could normally do with completley private. | Jan 31 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | so there wren't enough guards to stop the prisoners | Jan 31 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Our case here if that happens the management team is 100 percent libable with all there worldly assets. | Jan 31 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Note I said out source management. | Jan 31 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | the prisoners couldn't get out though because the system was locked out by the staff | Jan 31 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | and it wouldn't open up for anyone | Jan 31 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 31 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | so they eventually surrendered | Jan 31 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Not out sourced prision guards. | Jan 31 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes its one of those warped setups that is half goverment half private and manages to work well. | Jan 31 23:33 |
| oiaohm | And its been looked at being done more here. | Jan 31 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie performance conidtions on management. | Jan 31 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Probably the only sane thing they did to that prison was allow the staff to initiate a lockdown mode | Jan 31 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's the only reason several hundred of them didn't escape | Jan 31 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Our prisions here are kinda nasty. | Jan 31 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Lock down + sleeping gas. | Jan 31 23:35 |
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| DaemonFC | sweet! | Jan 31 23:35 |
| oiaohm | If they are still inside building they are screwed. | Jan 31 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | staff have respirators I'm sure? | Jan 31 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 31 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Staff have to be rescued. | Jan 31 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Jan 31 23:36 |
| oiaohm | So there is no way for a imate to get hands on respirators. | Jan 31 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, I'd get down on the ground when the alarm went off then | Jan 31 23:36 |
| oiaohm | They are not there to get. | Jan 31 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | beats collapsing and hitting your head on something | Jan 31 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is the training. | Jan 31 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Lock you self in a command room and slow down vents in there will by you some more time than every where else. | Jan 31 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose there aren't any windows in that room? | Jan 31 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | I might open the windows and block the vents | Jan 31 23:38 |
| oiaohm | No outside opening windows in the complete building. | Jan 31 23:38 |
| oiaohm | All air comes threw the vents. | Jan 31 23:38 |
| oiaohm | And its fully designed that way. | Jan 31 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Even more intersting is all water and waste pipes are on the outer wall of building. | Jan 31 23:39 |
| oiaohm | And they have an isolated water supply system that if the gas fails the water can be tainted. | Jan 31 23:41 |
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| oiaohm | Lets put it this way Australian design jails are playing for keeps. | Jan 31 23:42 |
| oiaohm | We do get some excaped from the older designed jails that are being taking out of service. | Jan 31 23:43 |
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| oiaohm | Its funny lot of cases the gas does not have to be used. Prisions here the lock down and return to there cells and laydown. For the simple point being man handled back to you cell kinda can leave you in a lot of pain. DaemonFC | Jan 31 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 31 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | here you'd get some ACLU assholes taking the side of a murderer/rapist that tried to attack a guard while the gas was taking effect | Jan 31 23:46 |
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| DaemonFC | fell and bumped his head | Jan 31 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | or something | Jan 31 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Only worried about that. | Jan 31 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Few guards got into trouble here because they cracked a guys skull with at table bolted to floor while man handling him back to cell. | Jan 31 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Now the problem was they put in in the wrong cell. | Jan 31 23:49 |
| oiaohm | That was on the other side of the way when he was 1 foot from his cell door when he passed out. | Jan 31 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie miss read his number. | Jan 31 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Reason why it kinda can be ouch if they don't get back to there cell. | Jan 31 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Guards putting you there in hurry are not always competent. | Jan 31 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest problem with prison is that it almost never rehabilitates because most people that end up there never learn their lesson | Jan 31 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | it just makes them more angry and spiteful | Jan 31 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | and possibly, shall we say, "religious" | Jan 31 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Problem is creativity. | Jan 31 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Like making charoal filters out of toast. | Jan 31 23:51 |
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| DaemonFC | guy goes in there John Smith and comes out Muhammed Abu Jihad | Jan 31 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 31 23:51 |
| oiaohm | The better you behave in australian prisions the better the rooms you get. | Jan 31 23:52 |
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| oiaohm | And the more access to training and resources. | Jan 31 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | maybe he was just writing bad checks and now h'es a Muslim that picks up some rifles and starts sniping people | Jan 31 23:52 |
| oiaohm | We have aborginals Muslims and whites in our prisions. | Jan 31 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Problem is they all will kill enough other. | Jan 31 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Islam is mainly spreading in the US through prisoners | Jan 31 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Here most islam leaders in prisons don't last. | Jan 31 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's targeting pretty much the worst people in society | Jan 31 23:53 |
| oiaohm | the natives get them. | Jan 31 23:53 |
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| oiaohm | Islam 1 god nature is counter to native teaching here. | Jan 31 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's the Aryan Nations that takes care of some of them | Jan 31 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC | not that I'd really say they're a lot better, but oh well | Jan 31 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | enemy of my enemy and all that | Jan 31 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Basically most of the white christians are smart enough to keep month shut about it. | Jan 31 23:54 |
| oiaohm | I don't know what is wrong with the islam follows they think there god can protect them from everything. | Jan 31 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | it spreads out of spite | Jan 31 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | it gives them a sense of rejecting the system that caught and convicted them | Jan 31 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Same for the natives is there own religion. | Jan 31 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Ie we are the invaiders to be killed in there eyes. | Jan 31 23:56 |
| oiaohm | islam is just a more determined invader. by there eyes. | Jan 31 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | most of the natives here don't have a revenge-oriented mindset | Jan 31 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Ours do. | Jan 31 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | peaceful co-existence | Jan 31 23:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] As #Mac hacker for 25 yrs, I'm with @diveintomark; #Apple's closed systems=bad thing http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/31/1657233 | Jan 31 23:57 | |
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| oiaohm | Thinking some of there old punishments include offended party throwing spear into offender. | Jan 31 23:57 |
| oiaohm | And the natives can choose to take the old punishments over whiteman law. | Jan 31 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm part Cherokee and part Miami | Jan 31 23:57 |
| oiaohm | So not spend time in jail. | Jan 31 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's not enough to join either tribe though | Jan 31 23:58 |
| oiaohm | But some cases jail is a lot safer than the old punishments. | Jan 31 23:58 |
| oiaohm | That is the big problem. | Jan 31 23:58 |
| oiaohm | They are basically dead to there tribe anyhow. | Jan 31 23:58 |
| oiaohm | So killing someone else is not a issue. | Jan 31 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Particularly some invading shit head. | Jan 31 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Since that might get them some forgiveness from there tribe. | Jan 31 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | I would think it would be easier to co-exist in Australia anyway | Jan 31 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | lots and lots of undeveloped land | Jan 31 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | so what's the problem? | Jan 31 23:59 |
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