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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 21st, 2010

oiaohmSome of the new ones are not doing red ring of death.  They are doing the black screen of death.  Chips_B_MalroyFeb 21 00:00
oiaohmPower supply circuity on board failing.Feb 21 00:00
Chips_B_MalroyE74?Feb 21 00:02
Chips_B_MalroystillFeb 21 00:02
Chips_B_Malroyno matter how you look at it, at least in the USA where I am, the government has failed to protect its citizens from badly constructed products like XBox360.  Its only cars they concern themselves with.Feb 21 00:04
oiaohmNo this is new.  No generation of error code.Feb 21 00:04
oiaohmThe box just fails to start at all.Feb 21 00:04
oiaohmSeams they got a bad batch of power regulators recently or they power regulators are not heat sinked well enough.Feb 21 00:06
Chips_B_MalroyI was amused that the Reporters that attended the "preview" (vaporware) of WinMo 7 had to stand out in the pouring rain for 20 minutes until MS decided to let them in.Feb 21 00:10
Chips_B_Malroythe rain in spainFeb 21 00:11
oiaohmReally I hope almost no Winmo 7 phones come into existance.Feb 21 00:13
oiaohmIt really would break a lot of those reporters.Feb 21 00:13
oiaohmPeople have not noticed that WinMo 7 is WinCE 6 so effectively MS has killed off one OS department.Feb 21 00:14
oiaohmNow Kill of Windows CE and make everyone happy.Feb 21 00:14
Chips_B_Malroyjust hope the next time MS "previews" some piece of vaporware, its not Iceland this time,in the Wintertime. No telling how many of their Shills could freeze to death. Feb 21 00:15
Chips_B_MalroyWinMo 7 is stealing ideas from the Ipad, no multi-taskingFeb 21 00:16
MinceRfrom the hypePhone :>Feb 21 00:16
MinceRalso, crApp store onlyFeb 21 00:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "I'm tired of your motherfucking shit" - Barack Obama. Audio: http://is.gd/8PjzDFeb 21 00:19
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oiaohmNo pick the south pole then leave the reporters out side Chips_B_MalroyFeb 21 00:24
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Chips_B_MalroyYes, but this shows the comtempt, or the distain, or arrogance of MS, leaving reporters out in the rain?  Someone, or someones, should be looking 4 new jobs at MS.  Do they have such control over these reporters that they don't fear negative stories as a result?  From what I read, no need to fear.  These reporters are mostly Shills anyway.Feb 21 00:32
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Chips_B_MalroySo Twitter is never on here anymore, or has he dropped that handle?Feb 21 00:43
Chips_B_MalroyI used to like his doom of MS articlesFeb 21 00:44
MinceRhaven't seen him for agesFeb 21 00:45
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> yesFeb 21 00:47
tessier__schestowitz: Ok, rebooting boycottnovell.com. Back up in a few minutes....Feb 21 00:47
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tessier__And we're back up.Feb 21 00:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 38degC fever, slept all day. V bored, run out of internet.Feb 21 00:49
tessier__How often do things go faster/easier than you expect? Hardly ever. That was nice. Feb 21 00:49
tessier__We'll have to do this once more at some point in the near future to give it a different IP on the dmz network. Right now it is out on the public network.Feb 21 00:49
tessier__I am moving everything towards being PCI compliant including our non card-processing/out of PCI scope hosts. Security is good for everyone.Feb 21 00:50
Chips_B_MalroyHow long do you think Novell has before they need to sell?  Look at Sun, Sun might have been in better shape than Novell.Feb 21 00:50
tessier__Especially a site like boycottnovell which occasionally attracts unwanted attention.Feb 21 00:50
tessier__Chips_B_Malroy: I am wondering just how long this SCO thing can go on. Good lord.Feb 21 00:51
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tessier__I can't believe we have been following this for years.Feb 21 00:51
ender2070anyone see this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5903Feb 21 00:51
tessier__Longer than the AT&T UNIX/BSDI stuff went on.Feb 21 00:51
Chips_B_MalroyTessier> SCO, afriad the fix is in there.  IMO a lot of money has changed handsFeb 21 00:51
tessier__Chips_B_Malroy: I don't think the fix is in really. SCO is losing/has lost. It's all over but the crying. But man, they sure can cry.Feb 21 00:52
Chips_B_Malroypeople have been bought, most likely, or this would have been done long agoFeb 21 00:52
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Chips_B_Malroywonder what the record is for length of time in the USA for a bankrupcy case?  SCO must be in the top 5% as far as length of time.Feb 21 00:55
Chips_B_MalroyThe one judge and the trustee, (I don't trust em) seem to be very friendly to SCOFeb 21 00:56
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Chips_B_Malroyremember the DOJ case against MS, and how Bush came in with MS money in his campaignFeb 21 00:57
Chips_B_Malroythis SCO case reeks of suspected M$ money behind it corrupting everything and everybodyFeb 21 00:58
Chips_B_Malroyalmost everybodyFeb 21 00:58
ender2070suspected?Feb 21 01:00
ender2070I thought it came out and was guaranteedFeb 21 01:00
Chips_B_Malroybaystar?Feb 21 01:01
ender2070yeahFeb 21 01:01
ender2070I thinkFeb 21 01:01
Chips_B_MalroyI thing there are more connectionsFeb 21 01:02
Chips_B_Malroy*thinkFeb 21 01:02
ender2070yeah definatelyFeb 21 01:02
ender2070even if ms didnt order the lawsuit they were funding it to keep it goingFeb 21 01:02
Chips_B_Malroythere is something rotten in RedmondFeb 21 01:02
ender2070yes, its called monopolyFeb 21 01:03
ender2070and a sense of entitlementFeb 21 01:03
ender2070people forget their corporate goalFeb 21 01:03
ender2070a pc in every home running microsoftFeb 21 01:03
Chips_B_MalroyBoth MS and Sun paid SCO for licensing.  Sun I could see feared SCO, because of Solarius, but MS did it to use SCO as a weapon against LinuxFeb 21 01:04
Chips_B_Malroy16 million wasn't it that MS paid SCO for licensing?Feb 21 01:04
ender2070yeah I thinkFeb 21 01:04
Chips_B_Malroythat was public record I thinkFeb 21 01:04
ender2070MS wasn't even liable for any sort of unix issues eitherFeb 21 01:05
ender2070SCO was trying to say anything based on unix was theirs, which is insaneFeb 21 01:05
oiaohmMS was ender2070Feb 21 01:05
ender2070based on unix codeFeb 21 01:05
oiaohmposix part in NT.Feb 21 01:05
ender2070posix !=unixFeb 21 01:06
oiaohmPartly comes from a Unix starting with X MS took over.Feb 21 01:06
oiaohmThere was a blood line leading back there.Feb 21 01:06
ender2070ms could have faught it cause it was frivilousFeb 21 01:06
ender2070but they funded it insteadFeb 21 01:07
schestowitztessier: thanksFeb 21 01:07
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XenixFeb 21 01:07
oiaohmXenix ender2070Feb 21 01:07
ender2070what about XenixFeb 21 01:07
schestowitzHmmmm... I can't connect... DNS thing?Feb 21 01:07
ender2070ms paid licensing over unix tools for windowsFeb 21 01:08
oiaohmAnd those tools have blood line going back to Xenix.Feb 21 01:09
ender2070in fact, the original sco helped port Xenix to 8086/8088Feb 21 01:09
schestowitztessier: still there?Feb 21 01:09
oiaohmYep ender2070Feb 21 01:09
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oiaohmExactly sco helped Xenix to port programs MS used in there posix tools to 8086Feb 21 01:10
schestowitzOh, it's back up :-) :-DFeb 21 01:10
oiaohmThat is where the trouble for MS comes in ender2070.  Some of there code base for the posix tools did own to SCO and they had not be paying for it.Feb 21 01:10
oiaohmSo really MS it was pay up or suffer.Feb 21 01:10
ender2070however Novell owns unixFeb 21 01:11
oiaohmIe SCO vs MS was pure copyright the Unix bit was not even required.Feb 21 01:11
ender2070ohh okFeb 21 01:11
ender2070weirdFeb 21 01:12
ender2070In 1987 Microsoft transferred ownership of Xenix to SCO in an agreement that left Microsoft owning 25% of SCO. When Microsoft eventually lost interest in OS/2 as well, it based its further high-end strategy on Windows NT.Feb 21 01:12
ender2070MS had 25% of SCOFeb 21 01:12
_goblinhi all!Feb 21 01:12
oiaohmYep.Feb 21 01:12
ender2070what happened when SCO was purchased by CalderaFeb 21 01:12
oiaohmNote they transfered owner ship of Xenix to SCO then proceed to use the Xenix code latter on NT.Feb 21 01:13
oiaohmI really wonder how many other places MS has breached copyrights.Feb 21 01:13
ender2070what happens if ms owns part of the company though?Feb 21 01:14
oiaohmAlso does Novell own UNIX or does the opengroup.Feb 21 01:14
oiaohmBecause the BSD settlement puts the opengroup in charge of all UNIX trademarks.Feb 21 01:14
ender2070Novell owns the unix "bloodline" per sayFeb 21 01:14
oiaohmBSD settlement ender2070Feb 21 01:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Had a nice email from my cousin appearing impressed at my reader base....Im chuffed, he's the pro-coder/IT expert of our family!Feb 21 01:15
oiaohmIe where Novell got caught nicking the BSD source code.Feb 21 01:15
oiaohmThis makes ownership of Unix so hard to determin.Feb 21 01:15
oiaohmThere are a lot of things effecting ownership.Feb 21 01:15
ender2070in 2007 a court ruled that Novell still owned the copyrights[25] to original AT&T UNIX source code and derivatives, including SVRX (System V, Release X).Feb 21 01:16
oiaohmThat was Novell vs SCOFeb 21 01:16
oiaohmOpenGroup did not challange.Feb 21 01:17
Chips_B_MalroySCO has appealed that rulingFeb 21 01:17
Chips_B_Malroyand this case is not going end until that appeal is exsautedFeb 21 01:17
oiaohmThe AT&T Unix source code was effected by the BSD vs Novell case.Feb 21 01:17
oiaohmMight turn out Novell still has the own ship of the code.Feb 21 01:18
oiaohmBut has no right to enforce anything due to the BSD aggreement.Feb 21 01:18
oiaohmAnd also not transferable due to the BSD agreementFeb 21 01:18
MinceRgnFeb 21 01:18
oiaohmBasically when you start talking about core code of Unix it legally gets messy.Feb 21 01:19
oiaohmAlso even if SCO gets out of Novell case.  IBM still has the right to bring thiers.Feb 21 01:19
oiaohmReally the SCO case has done open source good.  It proved that attacking open source is not a push over.  Particularly if they decide to push back.Feb 21 01:20
Chips_B_MalroyWell, its has proved that IBM and Novell are not pushoversFeb 21 01:21
Chips_B_MalroyBut since we don't know the amount of money, if any, that Autozone settled for, it has not proved that businesses cannot be shakened downFeb 21 01:22
oiaohmEven if SCO wins.Feb 21 01:22
oiaohmThey still lose.Feb 21 01:22
oiaohmSUN made an agreement that anything they ship is covered so protected against SCO attack forever downstream.   And sun shipped the Linux kernel code back to kernel.org.Feb 21 01:23
Chips_B_MalroyI hope so, but I take the wait and see way here.  Too much has happened that should not have.Feb 21 01:24
oiaohmWin lose .Feb 21 01:24
oiaohmOpen source world covered.Feb 21 01:24
schestowitzThat's just spin, IMHO. Like saying thatb the rain is great because it waters your garden.Feb 21 01:26
Chips_B_MalroyI see MS most likely the hand behind all this.  But I agree that Linux will come out of this safe.  What I think M$ gains from this is FUD against businesses that might go to LinuxFeb 21 01:26
oiaohmNovell should have been the big gainer but it appears to be going no where.  Chips_B_MalroyFeb 21 01:43
Chips_B_MalroyOiahm>  your point about MS paying SCO 16 million for licence fees because MS uses some unix code?  I really don't think they feared SCO.  But if they did, and Novell wins,  MS is covered against further lawsuit until the agreement runs in soon between them and NovellFeb 21 01:44
Chips_B_Malroy*out soonFeb 21 01:45
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oiaohmTechincally no the agreement between Novell and MS does not cover unix releated codes.Feb 21 01:49
oiaohmSo even that Novell and MS have an agreement Novell still could take hide out of MS.Feb 21 01:49
oiaohmIe lot of people have asked where is the money in the SCO Novell case.  The answer is MS.Feb 21 01:49
oiaohmIe where is the money for Novell.Feb 21 01:50
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ender2070it could be one reason ms would even want a novell dealFeb 21 01:51
Chips_B_Malroyoiaohm> we agree again! To sue and get money, you have to sue those who have money.  M$ loves to tell everyone how much they have.Feb 21 01:52
ender2070but only one reasonFeb 21 01:52
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oiaohmender2070: lot of deals with Linux done my MS have equaled the kiss of death to that distribution.Feb 21 01:53
oiaohmmy/byFeb 21 01:53
oiaohmNovell is one of the longest lasting after deal.Feb 21 01:54
ender2070except RedhatFeb 21 01:54
ender2070their deal excludes the nasty things novell agreed toFeb 21 01:54
Chips_B_Malroyits only of all the companies that MS did patent cross licencing deals with, that MS paid Novell millions of dollars (thinking 244 million appox)Feb 21 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyask yourself why?Feb 21 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyyes, more than one reasonFeb 21 01:56
Chips_B_Malroyif MS really feared SCO unix licence, and bought protection for only 16 million (really more likely a gift) then what will it take to settle with Novell, if they win?Feb 21 01:57
Chips_B_MalroyI am betting that the MS-Novell agreement will end first, before the SCO case ends.Feb 21 01:58
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe Novell has a future as a patent troll against MS?  If the SCO appeals fall thoughFeb 21 02:00
Chips_B_MalroyThat would be funnyFeb 21 02:01
ender2070orFeb 21 02:05
ender2070maybe ms wants a better deal on its unix licensingFeb 21 02:05
ender2070so they let Novell use c#Feb 21 02:06
Chips_B_Malroyor they want a way to sue Novell when the agreement endsFeb 21 02:07
Chips_B_Malroyit aways was a time limited agreement yes?Feb 21 02:07
Chips_B_Malroynow you have the licences, and now you don'tFeb 21 02:08
Chips_B_MalroyM$ Five Year Plan, maybe?Feb 21 02:08
ender2070lolFeb 21 02:08
ender2070then they find out how real the community promise isFeb 21 02:08
Chips_B_Malroythe real commiesFeb 21 02:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Setting An Example - Fedora Style | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y8mlszjFeb 21 02:09
ender2070I *just* had an issue with someone who was trying to open a .odf file in ms officeFeb 21 02:10
ender2070they thought they had Microsoft Open OfficeFeb 21 02:11
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ender2070looks like opensuse 11.3 will have GCC 4.5Feb 21 02:14
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ender2070im wondering how fast a linux os would be with gcc 4.5, kde 4.4 and qt 4.6Feb 21 02:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Newegg and #VirginMedia Are Bad to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/myex http://ur1.ca/myeyFeb 21 02:18
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ender2070http://news.opensuse.org/2010/02/17/number-two-always-tries-harder-opensuse-milestone-2/Feb 21 02:18
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> use Opera on NeweggFeb 21 02:19
ender2070?Feb 21 02:19
ender2070do they block it?Feb 21 02:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Security is Commonly Powered/Enabled by #GNU #Linux http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015159o-2000643222b,00.htmFeb 21 02:20
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Chips_B_Malroyender2070> bno, but sometimes I have had trouble logging into newegg in the past with Firefox, Opera always worked for meFeb 21 02:21
ender2070weirdFeb 21 02:22
Chips_B_Malroyonly a very few sites I ever had trouble with, and Opera solved them as a backup browserFeb 21 02:22
ender2070firefox is my backup browserFeb 21 02:22
Chips_B_MalroyI like chrome tooFeb 21 02:23
ender2070how did u know!Feb 21 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tanenbaum Proven Wrong About #FreeSoftware for #Kernel http://ur1.ca/myfg #linux #minixFeb 21 02:23
ender2070lolFeb 21 02:23
Chips_B_Malroybut Opera is my backup for compatablityFeb 21 02:23
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Chips_B_Malroyopera on xp at a relative place, let me actually change the router settings, where Firefox could notFeb 21 02:24
Chips_B_Malroy*relativesFeb 21 02:24
ender2070I run chromium myselfFeb 21 02:24
Chips_B_Malroywas securing it for themFeb 21 02:24
ender2070i almost never need to use firefox for backup but its thereFeb 21 02:25
ender2070i dont trust proprietary softwareFeb 21 02:25
Chips_B_Malroyits why I use FirefoxFeb 21 02:25
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 21 02:25
Chips_B_Malroybut I not going to install IE4Lin or somethingFeb 21 02:26
ender2070i've used firefox for router configsFeb 21 02:26
ender2070chromium for everything elseFeb 21 02:26
Chips_B_Malroyit failed that time for meFeb 21 02:26
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I don't have OperaFeb 21 02:26
ender2070I haven't had anyhting bitch about requiring IE for yearsFeb 21 02:26
Chips_B_MalroyI don't know what fails, probably something to do with ActiveXFeb 21 02:27
ender2070whatFeb 21 02:28
ender2070people still use activex ?Feb 21 02:28
Chips_B_Malroyweb sitesFeb 21 02:28
ender2070like?Feb 21 02:28
Chips_B_Malroya very very few, unless u in KoreaFeb 21 02:28
Chips_B_MalroytracfoneFeb 21 02:29
Chips_B_Malroyin their menu's once u log inFeb 21 02:29
ender2070i would file bug reports telling them their sites aren't web pagesFeb 21 02:29
Chips_B_Malroyfirefox used to fail there, opera did notFeb 21 02:29
Chips_B_Malroybetter, buy from another companyFeb 21 02:30
ender2070yeahFeb 21 02:30
ender2070firefox helped the non-IE relianceFeb 21 02:30
ender2070butFeb 21 02:30
ender2070firefox is now a target of malware and toolbarsFeb 21 02:30
Chips_B_Malroyeverything is a target for malware in WindowsFeb 21 02:32
Chips_B_MalroyWindows, the OS under-neath Firefox (if you use windows) is unsecure by default.  Built a house of sand or cardsFeb 21 02:33
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Chips_B_Malroyso how would you expect Firefox or any browser to be safe runnning Windows?Feb 21 02:34
Chips_B_Malroypull the plug is the best wayFeb 21 02:34
Chips_B_Malroyyep, pull the plug on live support for Windows and let it die.  Its too sick from all the malware to live on.Feb 21 02:37
ender2070theres still extensionsFeb 21 02:38
ender2070cross  platformFeb 21 02:38
schestowitzExtensions in the octopus senseFeb 21 02:40
Chips_B_MalroyMS does not have the desire to fix the horrendus security problems with Windows, ask yourself why?Feb 21 02:41
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ender2070PPA = no hardcore Q&A like the rest of the distroFeb 21 02:49
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: editions?Feb 21 02:54
schestowitzHey, ght656h65yhh5Feb 21 02:54
Diablo-D3yesFeb 21 02:55
Diablo-D3now its a sbayoean gaming editionFeb 21 02:55
Diablo-D3in other wordsFeb 21 02:55
Diablo-D3I CAN JUST APT_GET EVERYTHINGFeb 21 02:55
schestowitzYeahFeb 21 02:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Maths is full of absolute values, unfortunately life isnt" (via @salva_eswar)Feb 21 02:57
schestowitzI still call it sabayon gnu linux and attribute gentooFeb 21 02:57
Diablo-D3I call it shit.Feb 21 02:57
schestowitzSo the awareness of those projects is increasedFeb 21 02:57
Diablo-D3If its not Debian, its shit.Feb 21 02:57
schestowitzNoFeb 21 02:58
schestowitzDebian can be s* tooFeb 21 02:58
schestowitzYou just add to it the Ubuntu default themeFeb 21 02:58
Chips_B_MalroyBrown, ugh!Feb 21 03:03
Diablo-D3schestowitz: dudeFeb 21 03:03
Diablo-D3ubuntu can suck my dickFeb 21 03:03
Chips_B_Malroyoh, wait, you can change wallpaperFeb 21 03:03
Diablo-D3fucking microsoft shillFeb 21 03:03
Diablo-D3*shillsFeb 21 03:03
Chips_B_MalroyI will be interesting where Assay takes themFeb 21 03:05
Chips_B_Malroy*AsayFeb 21 03:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Crucial to the Mobile World http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Cellular/11542.htmlFeb 21 03:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OSS big in mobile world .::. Size~: 32.41 KBFeb 21 03:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #TonidoPlug "Works Wonderfully" http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6987/1/Feb 21 03:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Projectors and #Linux Go Hand in Hand http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-I8250/Feb 21 03:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Devices with #Linux / #MeeGo Appear http://ur1.ca/myjk http://ur1.ca/myjm http://ur1.ca/myjnFeb 21 03:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tablet runs on Moorestown processor - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.94 KBFeb 21 03:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle:     What does MeeGo mean for Mobile Linux? - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 106.48 KBFeb 21 03:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The open source mobile super-platform cometh | Linux User .::. Size~: 32.13 KBFeb 21 03:10
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: SK Telecom crams Android, processor inside a SIM card - Android, Arm, Mobile World Congress, sim - Good Gear Guide .::. Size~: 114.13 KBFeb 21 03:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android phone boasts 14Mbps HSPA+ - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 63.4 KBFeb 21 03:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Multi-touch displays support all ten fingers at once - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 61.47 KBFeb 21 03:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the User Interface of #ARM -based Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux to Come http://ur1.ca/mde1Feb 21 03:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New UI for ARM Based Ubuntu Devices « linuxuk.org .::. Size~: 40.49 KBFeb 21 03:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Event Starts in California, Another One Under Preparation http://ur1.ca/mykn http://ur1.ca/myko http://ur1.ca/mykpFeb 21 03:23
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: SCALE: 5 Key Takeaways for Open Source VARs | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 51.65 KBFeb 21 03:23
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ender2070[21:51] <Diablo-D3> If its not Debian, its shit.Feb 21 03:38
ender2070bullshitFeb 21 03:38
Diablo-D3suck my dickFeb 21 03:38
ender2070fedora > debianFeb 21 03:39
Diablo-D3arrgh! ender2070 is a microsoft shill too!Feb 21 03:40
ender2070microsoft shill?Feb 21 03:40
Diablo-D3fedora ships mono on the install CDFeb 21 03:40
ender2070bullshitFeb 21 03:40
ender2070they dont even include it in default gnome, like debian doesFeb 21 03:41
ender2070if you apt-get gnomeFeb 21 03:41
ender2070both fedora livecd's have no monoFeb 21 03:41
ender2070kde and gnome versionsFeb 21 03:41
Diablo-D3ender2070: wait wait waitFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3rewind thereFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3debian does not include ANY DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT AT ALL by defaultFeb 21 03:42
ender2070rewind and readFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3you're thinking of ubuntuFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3which is also shitFeb 21 03:42
ender2070debians gnome includes monoFeb 21 03:42
ender2070if you "apt-get gnome"Feb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3debian's gnome is not defaultly installedFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3this I am completely free to install xfceFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3since xfce does not support or fund terrorism like gnome doesFeb 21 03:42
ender2070IF YOU INSTALL THE GLOBAL GNOME PACKAGE YOU GET MONOFeb 21 03:42
ender2070L2READFeb 21 03:42
Diablo-D3BUT DEBIAN DOESNT INSTALL GNOME BY DEFAULTFeb 21 03:43
Diablo-D3FEDORA AND UBUNTU DOESFeb 21 03:43
ender2070NEITHER DOES FEDORAFeb 21 03:43
Diablo-D3BOTH OF THEM INCLUDE MONO ON INSTALL CDFeb 21 03:43
ender2070WRONGFeb 21 03:43
ender2070stop lyingFeb 21 03:43
Diablo-D3DEBIAN BARELY _HAS_ AN INSTALL CDFeb 21 03:43
ender2070Both of Fedora's livecd's exclude mono, KDE and Gnome versionsFeb 21 03:43
ender2070the DVD of Fedora doesnt have a default UI, you chose between Gnome and KDE and STILL dont get monoFeb 21 03:43
Diablo-D3that sounds like bullshit to meFeb 21 03:44
ender2070well you're wrongFeb 21 03:44
ender2070i actually run fedoraFeb 21 03:44
ender2070precisely because it has no monoFeb 21 03:44
ender2070its been gone since version 11Feb 21 03:44
ender2070they removed tomboy and replaced it with gnoteFeb 21 03:45
ender2070and gthumb instead of fspotFeb 21 03:45
ender2070in addition to this, fedora has a very strict policy on what is includedFeb 21 03:45
ender2070no mp3 codecs, no proprietary anythingFeb 21 03:46
ender2070actually since version 10Feb 21 03:46
ender2070according to RoyFeb 21 03:46
ender2070http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/no-mono-in-fedora-10/Feb 21 03:46
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ender2070another thing, i dont run gnome either because i think its being infected with more and more mono bitsFeb 21 03:48
ender2070KDE ftwFeb 21 03:49
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Chips_B_Malroya comment on mini's site  https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=3061876540397221260&blogID=7555958&isPopup=false&page=2Feb 21 03:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Blogger: Mini-Microsoft - Post a Comment .::. Size~: 74.97 KBFeb 21 03:50
Chips_B_Malroy"I don't know how this is hidden, but fact is that Microsoft earns a lot just moving money across countries, betting on currency fluctuations. A lot of people in Finance are dedicated to this. When you have 60billion to move around, we are not talking about pennies here..."Feb 21 03:51
Chips_B_MalroySo MS might be playing the money game, and getting away with it because they are an international company.  This is most likely another way to evade taxes as well.Feb 21 03:52
Chips_B_Malroyplaying the currency marketsFeb 21 03:53
ender2070hhahahahahaFeb 21 03:53
ender2070http://consumerist.com/2010/02/foxconn-workers-in-mexico-revolt-set-factory-on-fire.htmlFeb 21 03:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Foxconn Workers In Mexico Revolt, Set Factory On Fire - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 52.12 KBFeb 21 03:53
ender2070LOL @ FoxconnFeb 21 03:54
Chips_B_MalroyEnder2070> isn't Foxconn the company that makes some XBox360's for M$?  And isn't Foxconn the computer that made a bios for a motherboard that hosed Linux, that was pointed out by DaemonFC?Feb 21 03:56
ender2070yesFeb 21 03:58
ender2070Foxconn also makes very low quality motherboards that die all the timeFeb 21 03:58
ender2070at least the ones they self brandFeb 21 03:59
Chips_B_Malroythen we should supply the marchmello'sFeb 21 03:59
ender2070yesFeb 21 03:59
ender2070thats why I thought it was funnyFeb 21 03:59
ender2070Foxconn china also managed to have one of their employees commit suicide over an iphone theftFeb 21 03:59
Chips_B_Malroyso thanks to your link, we know #3 about Foxconn, they screw their workers in low paid countries tooFeb 21 04:00
ender2070I would too if I was going to face a chinese court. they are nothing but show trials.Feb 21 04:00
Chips_B_Malroycorrection, #4Feb 21 04:00
Chips_B_Malroya lapdog company to M$Feb 21 04:00
ender2070just being accused means you're guilty in chinaFeb 21 04:01
oiaohmThe foxconn bios one is interesting.Feb 21 04:01
ender2070yeah sort ofFeb 21 04:01
oiaohmMore interesting than most know.Feb 21 04:01
ender2070i dont know the full scoopFeb 21 04:01
oiaohmfoxconn bios followed MS reference for bios.Feb 21 04:01
Chips_B_MalroyI think Ryan exposed itFeb 21 04:01
oiaohmNot only was it breaking Linux.Feb 21 04:02
ender2070i just remember at the time recommending that my store stop selling foxconn boardsFeb 21 04:02
oiaohmIt was breaking windows.Feb 21 04:02
ender2070among other reasons not to sell themFeb 21 04:02
Diablo-D3foxconn is weirdFeb 21 04:02
Diablo-D3under other brands, they sell decent shitFeb 21 04:02
Diablo-D3under their own, its really fucking shittyFeb 21 04:02
ender2070yeahFeb 21 04:02
ender2070their self branded stuff is super low end dog shitFeb 21 04:02
ender2070printed on very thin PCB'sFeb 21 04:02
oiaohmComplete Foxconn bios issue started at MS.Feb 21 04:02
Diablo-D3like, foxconn does apple, at least two video card manufs, and a few othersFeb 21 04:02
ender2070foxconn oem's for other companies based on their specs thoughFeb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3yeahFeb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3they just choose to undercut their own brandFeb 21 04:03
ender2070lolFeb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3which, well, is their own businessFeb 21 04:03
ender2070remember foxconn's sexist video cards?Feb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3ender2070: dudeFeb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3all video cards are sexistFeb 21 04:03
ender2070no dudeFeb 21 04:03
ender2070this one saidFeb 21 04:03
ender2070"FOXCONN ISN'T FOR GIRLS"Feb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3ender2070: wow.Feb 21 04:03
Diablo-D3waitFeb 21 04:04
Diablo-D3doesnt that just make them gay, not sexist?Feb 21 04:04
ender2070in jest yesFeb 21 04:04
ender2070lolFeb 21 04:04
Diablo-D3seriously thoughFeb 21 04:04
ender2070not in seriousnessFeb 21 04:04
Diablo-D3when was the last time you bought a video card that didnt have a half naked woman on the box, if not the heatsink shield tooFeb 21 04:05
ender2070well saying their card isnt for girls doesnt imply homosexualityFeb 21 04:05
ender2070it excludes femalesFeb 21 04:05
oiaohmI wish I could remember the model a-bit video card with no fan but a full ceramic heatsink.Feb 21 04:06
ender2070just like you could say "Playboy" isn't for girlsFeb 21 04:06
Diablo-D3it... isnt?Feb 21 04:06
Diablo-D3dude, I've known straight chicks who read it.Feb 21 04:06
ender2070read it?Feb 21 04:06
ender2070seriously?Feb 21 04:06
oiaohmPlayboy is kinda smart.  If guys look at the pictures.  If there are good articals in there girls don't dump it.  Ie win win.Feb 21 04:07
Diablo-D3ender2070: by read it, I mean schlick away to the nude womenFeb 21 04:08
Diablo-D3no one reads the articles in playboy, not even straight women or gay men.Feb 21 04:08
ender2070playboy must be terrible, i've heard its 90% wordsFeb 21 04:09
ender2070if you're only in it for the picturesFeb 21 04:10
Diablo-D3well, its no google image search.Feb 21 04:13
Diablo-D3dohohohohoFeb 21 04:13
oiaohmhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5903  Can flame baiting get any less openly displayed than this.Feb 21 04:14
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: dana is clearly :3Feb 21 04:16
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Baskar has this caller tune "நான் பார்த்ததிலே அவள் ஒருத்தியைத் தான் நல்ல அழகி என்பேன் .." loved it :DFeb 21 04:32
ender2070http://consumerist.com/2010/02/california-town-to-start-charging-up-to-400-for-911-calls.htmlFeb 21 04:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: California Town To Start Charging Up To $400 For 911 Calls - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 54.6 KBFeb 21 04:37
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DeadSuperHeroHi everyone.Feb 21 04:42
DeadSuperHero@schestowitz Are you there?Feb 21 04:43
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The #Wikimedia Foundation blocks a major ISP named #Steadfast because one former customer was an idiot, and almost refuses to fix itFeb 21 05:12
DaemonFCheh, Progressive is spamming me to try to get me to renew my policy with themFeb 21 05:12
DaemonFC"We hope you'll check back with us soon. We're always developing new ways to provide additional savings and service..."Feb 21 05:13
DaemonFCThen why was my bill a third more expensive with them? :)Feb 21 05:13
DaemonFCanyones wants to talk Voodoo Economics, start with car insuranceFeb 21 05:14
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Smile, it's the second best thing you can do with your lips" #funny #quotes (via @bsherly)Feb 21 05:37
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DaemonFCoiaohm, I'm writing a long post about Ubuntu Lucid, Xorg-Edgers, and a lot of other stuff :)Feb 21 05:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Fish Tank" at Alliance Atlantis Cumberland, #Toronto. Catch it if you can. #cinemaFeb 21 06:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "in 1929 the world rainforests were still pretty much untouched, polar ice caps were intact, oceans unpolluted" - Darius Guppy, making senseFeb 21 07:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @alykhansatchu Colourful Brit Darius Guppy http://bit.ly/9dXwis // I remember greatly enjoying one of his Dad's books as #Amazon explorerFeb 21 07:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "#Paco is a manifestation of everything..rotten in #Argentina." #cocaine spinoff completes misery of Buenos Aires poor http://bit.ly/aHrweXFeb 21 07:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The 10p cocaine by-product turning Argentina's slum children into the living dead |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 82.32 KBFeb 21 07:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major #Microblogging Services Cuddle Up to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/mz6o http://ur1.ca/mokbFeb 21 08:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: It's not just Twitter - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 132.75 KBFeb 21 08:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Twitter Loves Open Source: Just Not as Much as Status.net  .::. Size~: 32.5 KBFeb 21 08:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Already Comes to More #Linux Phones http://www.flickr.com/photos/madhava_work/4368610492/Feb 21 08:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Firefox running on a Nexus One on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 49.22 KBFeb 21 08:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSD Important to the Existence of #Linux http://www.itpro.co.uk/620659/freebsd-and-the-gplFeb 21 08:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IT PRO | FreeBSD and the GPL .::. Size~: 36.49 KBFeb 21 08:32
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Announcing project OsmocomBB: Open Source GSM Stack [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 20.71 KBFeb 21 08:33
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] NetworkManager 0.8 Is Ready For Release .::. Size~: 15.92 KBFeb 21 08:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Triumphs in the Jacobsen vs Katzer Case http://ur1.ca/mz89 http://ur1.ca/mtch http://ur1.ca/mz8aFeb 21 08:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Major legal victory for open source in US - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.37 KBFeb 21 08:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Big Victory for F/OSS: Jacobsen v. Katzer is Settled - ConsortiumInfo.org .::. Size~: 35.95 KBFeb 21 08:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Law & Life: Silicon Valley » Jacobsen and FOSS Community Win Big in Jacobsen v. Katzer Settlement .::. Size~: 17.46 KBFeb 21 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subversion Now an #Apache Project http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Subversion-accepted-as-a-Apache-Top-Level-Project-934723.htmlFeb 21 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Improves #Java #Programming Framework http://ur1.ca/mz8jFeb 21 08:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Subversion accepted as a Apache Top-Level Project - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.2 KBFeb 21 08:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Oracle is working on a combined Java Virtual Machine - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.01 KBFeb 21 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Standards and #Italy and How to Properly Support Their Use http://stop.zona-m.net/node/102 #odfFeb 21 08:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: File formats, alphabets and public money: did you know that... | Stop! .::. Size~: 15.78 KBFeb 21 08:40
oiaohmhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10456435-54.html  Hmm this could get interesting long term.  Google allowed to buy and sell power.Feb 21 08:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google gets go-ahead to buy, sell energy | Green Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 114.72 KBFeb 21 08:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GE #Healthcare Attacks #Freedom of Speech, Others Do too http://ur1.ca/mz9l http://ur1.ca/mz9m http://ur1.ca/mz9nFeb 21 08:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: US drug firm drops libel action against scientist |Science |The Guardian .::. Size~: 73.22 KBFeb 21 08:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: News - Politics: PIC: Zuma cops lock up jogger (Page 1 of 2) .::. Size~: 82 KBFeb 21 08:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pico Projectors Marry Mobile Phones - Technology For Change .::. Size~: 32.27 KBFeb 21 08:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Internet Under Attack and the #BBC Participates in Attack http://ur1.ca/mz9p http://ur1.ca/mz9q http://ur1.ca/mz9rFeb 21 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: panGloss: Filtering round up: French filtering, Ireland backs off, UK sidesteps? .::. Size~: 109.36 KBFeb 21 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK Music complains to BBC over report on Digital Economy Bill |Media |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 90.41 KBFeb 21 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Rights Group | BBC iplayer DRM raises its head again   .::. Size~: 22.76 KBFeb 21 09:00
schestowitzoiaohm: we allow GOogle to have a lot of power [pun]Feb 21 09:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Unethical But Enforced by #Law http://ur1.ca/mz9x http://boztopia.com/?p=1151 http://ur1.ca/mz9yFeb 21 09:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not wrong, just illegal - Winnipeg Free Press .::. Size~: 84.22 KBFeb 21 09:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Creative Class War »  Boztopia.com .::. Size~: 85.67 KBFeb 21 09:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Are People Resentful Of Content Creators? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 87.81 KBFeb 21 09:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Olympic Bullies Use #IntellectualMonopoles to Abuse Shop http://ur1.ca/mwx0 http://ur1.ca/mza2 http://ur1.ca/mza3Feb 21 09:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Olympic bullying drives goggle-maker to verse Boing Boing .::. Size~: 57.55 KBFeb 21 09:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UVEXsports 2010 .::. Size~: 118.32 KBFeb 21 09:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Against Monopoly  .::. Size~: 26.41 KBFeb 21 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Real Purpose of #ACTA http://madhatter.ca/?p=283Feb 21 09:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Goblin awards!?! - The best Titantron vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU0nbNSvSEI&feature=related #wwe #sheamusFeb 21 09:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Real Purpose of ACTA   «  Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 87.79 KBFeb 21 09:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Sheamus Brand New WWE Entrance Video Titantron (1st) .::. Size~: 120.42 KBFeb 21 09:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VentureCapitalist and Author Slam Nathan Myhrvold Troll http://ur1.ca/mzae http://ur1.ca/mzafFeb 21 09:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Software patents are the problem not the answer - Union Square Ventures: A New York Venture Capital Fund Focused on Early Stage & Startup Investing .::. Size~: 32.05 KBFeb 21 09:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Against Monopoly  .::. Size~: 26.21 KBFeb 21 09:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Goblin awards!?! - The best theme tune! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNpz2aebGBM #iwa #cactusjack #deathmatchFeb 21 09:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh, if you haven't guessed, Im looking forward to the #WWE #PPV tonight!Feb 21 09:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and finally.... the best promo ever! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLxZcnj0HoU&feature=related #cactusjack #iwa #deathmatchFeb 21 09:11
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kecskebakYouTube has just broken for people using GnashFeb 21 09:18
kecskebakIt was fine a few hours ago, now it says "Old Flash? Go upgrade!" with a link to Adobe's websiteFeb 21 09:19
kecskebakI'm using 0.87, the new versionFeb 21 09:19
kecskebakDailyMotion works fine. Big Google fail.Feb 21 09:20
kecskebakEmbedded videos work on other sites, just their website seems to have been broken.Feb 21 09:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] now a is puking as well! house of pestilence! HELP NEEDED: anyone to bring bogroll+kitchen towel+food? urgh urgh urgh.Feb 21 09:27
Diablo-D3lolFeb 21 09:28
Diablo-D3kecskebak: probably an unintended oopsFeb 21 09:28
Diablo-D3also flash sucksFeb 21 09:28
Diablo-D3I hope they do break itFeb 21 09:28
Diablo-D3makes more people go out and upgrade their browsers to get html5 videoFeb 21 09:28
kecskebakThe trouble is, that I'm sure Flash works fine - it's just people using Gnash.Feb 21 09:28
kecskebakIt sends Gnash users to Adobe's siteFeb 21 09:29
Diablo-D3gnash is pretty shitty with youtube thoughFeb 21 09:29
kecskebakI know, but at least you can trust itFeb 21 09:29
Diablo-D3well, no.....Feb 21 09:29
Diablo-D3I trust flashblockFeb 21 09:29
kecskebakI'm sure it's because YouTube want everyone to use the latest Flash plug in after a stream of security failures in Adobe's plug in recentlyFeb 21 09:30
kecskebakGnash has been taken out as collateral damageFeb 21 09:30
tessier_Every now and then my firefox gets stuck in a weird mode where a long page (like a comment page on reddit.com) just slowly scrolls down by itself.Feb 21 09:31
tessier_And nothing I do stops it.Feb 21 09:31
tessier_Usually it stops when it reaches the bottom (which can take a long time) but this time is just reversed direction and is going up!Feb 21 09:31
cubezzzlynx fixes all these problems :)Feb 21 09:31
cubezzzor killall firefox-binFeb 21 09:31
kecskebakWhen I used to work with Flash I remember the main thing the marketing department used to do was try and shave bytes off of the size of the Flash plug in. Everything had to be as small as possible - and people writing bits of the plug in got brownie points for coming in below their allocated sizeFeb 21 09:31
kecskebakYou'd read about these things on Flash blogsFeb 21 09:32
cubezzzflash just sucksFeb 21 09:32
cubezzzperiodFeb 21 09:32
kecskebakI'll be a very happy person when HTML5 and SVG take overFeb 21 09:33
cubezzzflash is really used to hide stuffFeb 21 09:33
tessier_killall firefox was a good ideaFeb 21 09:33
cubezzzjust youtube-dl.py or whatever and get the flv file, play it in mplayerFeb 21 09:33
kecskebakFlash was lovely when I was writing games and sites for CiTV - it did a great job of making sites which engaged kidsFeb 21 09:34
kecskebakBut SVG would have been betterFeb 21 09:34
kecskebakAs I hate the fact it was proprietaryFeb 21 09:34
cubezzzflash is like old broadcast tvFeb 21 09:34
cubezzzwithout the vcrFeb 21 09:34
kecskebakThe other problem with Flash is Actionscript is so easy to use you get a lot of very bad code by people who don't know what they don't know.Feb 21 09:35
cubezzzask yourself why people put a flash frontend on their internet radioFeb 21 09:36
cubezzzonly one reasonFeb 21 09:36
oiaohm? Because humans are to lazy to download other frontends ?  cubezzzFeb 21 09:37
cubezzznoFeb 21 09:37
cubezzzbecause they don't want you capturing the streamFeb 21 09:37
kecskebakAnd they can collect stuff about you in cookies that don't get cleared.Feb 21 09:38
kecskebak"Shared Objects"Feb 21 09:38
oiaohmYet I know a lot of internet radio that contain both provided streams and flash.Feb 21 09:38
kecskebakA lot of the impetus to use Flash comes from marketing departmentsFeb 21 09:38
cubezzzthose are fine oiaohmFeb 21 09:38
kecskebakTrying to make things look "cool"Feb 21 09:38
kecskebakThat's why some people offer bothFeb 21 09:39
cubezzzsometimes you only get the flash versionFeb 21 09:39
oiaohmI have not seen only flash version.Feb 21 09:39
oiaohmMaybe it where I travel.Feb 21 09:39
kecskebakIsn't the iPlayer Flash only? I've never used it.Feb 21 09:39
cubezzzexample, australian open radioFeb 21 09:39
cubezzzus open radio.... you get the ideaFeb 21 09:40
DaemonFClmaoFeb 21 09:40
DaemonFCUbuntu is removing Debian patches from the network manager left and rightFeb 21 09:40
kecskebakWhy?Feb 21 09:41
DaemonFCI don't knowFeb 21 09:41
DaemonFCprobably conflicts with something in UbuntuFeb 21 09:41
cubezzzthey can stream a sporting event, hide it behind flash, then charge you $$$ every time you view itFeb 21 09:41
DaemonFCthat's a feature!Feb 21 09:42
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 09:42
kecskebakI have Gnash. But "To play The News Quiz: Series 70: Episode 7 please first install Flash." BBC iPlayer Fail.Feb 21 09:42
cubezzztime limited DRM anyone? :)Feb 21 09:42
oiaohmI know DaemonFCFeb 21 09:43
oiaohmUs debian users are not using network manager as our default yet.Feb 21 09:43
kecskebakNation shall foist proprietary software untu Nation.Feb 21 09:43
oiaohmTo be correct debian network manager is setup to level old ifup and old ifdown system in place.  DaemonFCFeb 21 09:44
oiaohmAt this stage.Feb 21 09:44
oiaohmResult is when debian network manager is applied to Ubuntu you end up with no way to set network settings.  DaemonFCFeb 21 09:44
DaemonFChmmmmFeb 21 09:46
DaemonFCnothing about Xubuntu 10.04 on the siteFeb 21 09:46
DaemonFCbut there are CD imagesFeb 21 09:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I find it interesting ,go to this google.com and type "recursion" It keeps asking "Did you mean: recursion" :-)Feb 21 09:47
cubezzzI think it's important to remember that things like gnash are useful but really a stop-gap measureFeb 21 09:47
oiaohmThe debian guys have not even decided how they are going to fully enable network manger yet in the testing tree.   DaemonFCFeb 21 09:47
kecskebakI am only using Gnash as a stop gap - I have asked YouTube for patent free video formats as requested by the FSFFeb 21 09:48
oiaohmBasically sit back and let Ubuntu do all the experementation and take what works.  DaemonFCFeb 21 09:48
cubezzzthen the flash guys at abode look at gnash and say "haha, new version 11 bitches"Feb 21 09:48
cubezzzif they get gnash working too wellFeb 21 09:48
oiaohmhttp://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2010/01/solving_different_problems.html  << Want to know why flash suxs on Linux.Feb 21 09:49
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oiaohmYep 3d acceleration then you transfered rendered frame back to cpu to software render effects over the top.Feb 21 09:50
oiaohmLinux stack is kinda design one directional.Feb 21 09:50
cubezzzI don't say flash sucks under Linux, I just say Flash sucksFeb 21 09:50
cubezzzjust capture the video, and use mplayerFeb 21 09:51
kecskebakStill, Gnash will play Flash Video just fine - it's just the YouTube website that is stopping it, which is really rather a shame.Feb 21 09:52
oiaohmGnash uses the sane method of processing.Feb 21 09:52
oiaohmOver rendering by gpu.Feb 21 09:52
oiaohmBut general flash is pure nuts.Feb 21 09:53
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kecskebakI need a flash plug in to report my gas meterFeb 21 09:53
cubezzzfor youtube may I suggest:Feb 21 09:54
kecskebakWhich is crazy - I have to report my gas meter reading to a Flash appFeb 21 09:54
cubezzzwget http://maxhost.org/other/youtube-dl.pyFeb 21 09:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 21 09:54
kecskebakOh, thanks :)Feb 21 09:54
kecskebakoiaohm: Any idea when WINE will get a DIBEngine?Feb 21 09:56
oiaohmUmm.  kecskebakFeb 21 09:56
kecskebakLOL!Feb 21 09:56
oiaohmThere is segments of the DIB engine there.Feb 21 09:56
oiaohmNote the word segments.Feb 21 09:57
kecskebakYes, I realise it'll be a long job. It's just my kids pester me as their favorite game won't work on WINE properly - it's a 2D game.Feb 21 09:57
kecskebakI was just curious how it was going.Feb 21 09:58
cubezzzbeyond flash:Feb 21 09:58
cubezzz"Thus, the common practice by video centric websites of hiding the URL of web embedded multimedia using Flash or Silverlight, obfuscating the URL with JavaScript, or using custom protocols like RTMP (Flash) or MMS (Windows Media streams), may seem threatening to the openness of the web"Feb 21 09:58
oiaohmhttp://wiki.winehq.org/DIBEngine  The evil bug 421 wine.  kecskebakFeb 21 09:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DIBEngine - The Official Wine Wiki .::. Size~: 23.96 KBFeb 21 09:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] and @nyecamden is coming to take some care of the sick people, yay! *bluhh*Feb 21 09:59
oiaohmBasically there is a dibengine patch kecskebak it needs a lot more testing and test casing.  I guess kids are not interested in helping out.Feb 21 10:00
kecskebakThey are 8 and 6 :)Feb 21 10:00
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tessier_http://i.imgur.com/Cd82b.jpg <- bad dayFeb 21 10:01
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kecskebakMind you, they are both good at maths, so one day...Feb 21 10:01
oiaohmYou could always try max's patch and see how it goes.  Note Max code has not been done to the normal rules and standards of test casing.Feb 21 10:03
kecskebakI'm writing a version of the kids' game using SDL in my spare time, but I may try the patch out of curiosity.Feb 21 10:04
oiaohmReally if the test case side was completed merging mainline might be possiable.  kecskebakFeb 21 10:05
oiaohmBasically that is why its Umm.Feb 21 10:05
kecskebakoiaohm: Thanks for answering - I was curious to know what the situation was, and if I try the patch I'll let you know how I get on.Feb 21 10:08
DaemonFCoiaohm, I see they're still terrible at making regular making regular xf86-video-ati releasesFeb 21 10:08
DaemonFC5 months since the last oneFeb 21 10:09
kecskebakUsing youtube-dl.py - works a treat B-) Feb 21 10:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] jaron lanier says: "hey you! stop having fun!" http://bit.ly/d8KJbP "you're a bunch of COMMUNISTS! Or something!"Feb 21 10:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: My bright idea: Jaron Lanier |Technology |The Observer .::. Size~: 96.64 KBFeb 21 10:24
Diablo-D3I should watch #GlennBeck more oftenFeb 21 10:25
Diablo-D3and join the republican partyFeb 21 10:25
schestowitzHe's an arse (Jaron)Feb 21 10:33
cubezzzthe web for 30 years?Feb 21 10:39
cubezzzit's 20 years oldFeb 21 10:39
Diablo-D3depends when you start countingFeb 21 10:39
Diablo-D3arpanet puts a few years on itFeb 21 10:39
cubezzzfrom the start of the "web"Feb 21 10:39
cubezzzwww?Feb 21 10:39
cubezzzthat's 1990Feb 21 10:39
Diablo-D3yeah, but there is no webFeb 21 10:40
cubezzzworld wide web?Feb 21 10:40
Diablo-D3no, its just a buzz wordFeb 21 10:40
cubezzzahFeb 21 10:40
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Diablo-D3ACCORDING TO THE GRAND AND GREAT WIKIPEDIASFeb 21 10:41
Diablo-D3arpanet opened 1969Feb 21 10:41
cubezzzso what started 30 years ago?Feb 21 10:41
Diablo-D3hmmFeb 21 10:41
Diablo-D3might be the internet properFeb 21 10:41
schestowitz[10:39] <Diablo-D3> arpanet puts a few years on itFeb 21 10:42
schestowitzNot WWWFeb 21 10:42
Diablo-D3in 1983 IP was the only protocol on arpanetFeb 21 10:42
Diablo-D31974 was the first use of the word internetFeb 21 10:42
Diablo-D3cubezzz: so, meh, someone says 30 years, I'll let it slideFeb 21 10:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: pay attentionFeb 21 10:43
Diablo-D3www is a buzzwordFeb 21 10:43
DaemonFC1984 - World hears of Mac, keeps using DOSFeb 21 10:44
Diablo-D3its just a half assed application of then pre-exsiting technologiesFeb 21 10:44
DaemonFC1995, almost everyone has Windows 95Feb 21 10:44
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cubezzzDiablo-D3, the first web browser?Feb 21 10:44
cubezzzthat's not just a buzz wordFeb 21 10:44
Diablo-D3the first web browser is just the first to implement other people's ideas.Feb 21 10:44
Diablo-D3it wasnt the first use of the internetFeb 21 10:44
cubezzzno, that's why I'm drawing the distinction between www and the internetFeb 21 10:45
Diablo-D3usenet predates webFeb 21 10:45
cubezzzof course Feb 21 10:45
cubezzzI was using it :)Feb 21 10:45
Diablo-D3email predates webFeb 21 10:45
Diablo-D3hellFeb 21 10:45
Diablo-D3IRC predates the webFeb 21 10:45
cubezzzit's silly to "30 years using the web"Feb 21 10:46
cubezzzto sayFeb 21 10:46
Diablo-D3wellFeb 21 10:46
Diablo-D3you could just use the RFC datesFeb 21 10:46
Diablo-D3which means its less than 20Feb 21 10:46
cubezzzeven 20 years is stretching itFeb 21 10:46
cubezzzyesFeb 21 10:46
*tessier_ has been online since 1989Feb 21 10:47
*Diablo-D3 has been online since 65 million years agoFeb 21 10:47
cubezzz"Berners-Lee's breakthrough was to marry hypertext to the Internet"Feb 21 10:48
cubezzzthat's kind of significantFeb 21 10:48
Diablo-D3well, it sounds significantFeb 21 10:48
Diablo-D3but say, "Joe Schmoe's breakthrough blah blah"Feb 21 10:48
Diablo-D3it woudlnt be nearly as significant soundingFeb 21 10:48
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cubezzzI don't think there was even DNS before 1983Feb 21 10:50
Diablo-D3nopeFeb 21 10:51
Diablo-D3rfc'ed in 83Feb 21 10:52
cubezzzthe oldest email I had archived:Feb 21 10:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Atlas V rocket sonic booms through sundog and makes ripples http://ur1.ca/mzh9 !scienceFeb 21 10:52
cubezzzDate: 12 JUL 1980 1342-EDTFeb 21 10:52
cubezzzFrom: ALAN at MIT-MC (Alan Bawden)Feb 21 10:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Sonic Boom Meets Sun Dog 720p .::. Size~: 117.23 KBFeb 21 10:52
cubezzznote the fromFeb 21 10:52
cubezzzso 30 years on the web is definitely wrongFeb 21 10:53
Diablo-D3who said 30 anyhow?Feb 21 10:53
DaemonFCwell, now Ubuntu is in troubleFeb 21 10:55
cubezzzhttp://bit.ly/d8KJbPFeb 21 10:55
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cubezzzhere the topFeb 21 10:55
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22077#post113307Feb 21 10:55
cubezzznear the top :)Feb 21 10:55
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Diablo-D3so just make a siteFeb 21 10:55
Diablo-D3www.jaronlanierkilledagirlin1992.comFeb 21 10:55
Diablo-D3or whateverFeb 21 10:55
cubezzzhahahaFeb 21 10:55
DaemonFCthey're going to backport the whole 2.6.33 DRM Feb 21 10:55
DaemonFCbecause they want to avoid moving to 2.6.33?Feb 21 10:55
DaemonFCthis has to be the dumbest thing I've seen them do to dateFeb 21 10:56
DaemonFCWasn't the whole point of staying on 2.6.32 that they would get easier maintenance because kernel.org was going to be backporting patches?Feb 21 10:57
DaemonFCthat's like crawling naked over broken glass so you don't have to walk somewhereFeb 21 10:58
oiaohmYep that is the insanity of Ubuntu.Feb 21 10:58
oiaohmLong term releases of the kernel should be left alone.Feb 21 10:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Criminalise Exotic Pets, not File Sharing - http://bit.ly/d6E2cj exposing the Great Lie of governments #filesharing #actaFeb 21 10:59
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oiaohmThey have been doing this to many packages DaemonFCFeb 21 10:59
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DaemonFCthey want the long term kernel, but they also don't want to have to say that things that work in Fedora don't work on UbuntuFeb 21 10:59
oiaohmGets funniersFeb 21 11:00
oiaohmDRM for Nvidia is not stable.  2.6.33 DRM is not complete.Feb 21 11:00
cubezzzI blame the journalist, journalist always gets things wrongFeb 21 11:00
oiaohmAnd most likely will only be complete by 2.6.34 or 2.6.35Feb 21 11:00
Diablo-D3thank god no one serious about linux uses ubuntuFeb 21 11:01
DaemonFCUbuntu totally fucks you if you use your own kernelFeb 21 11:03
DaemonFCcause they heavily patch theirs to use ureadahead, AppArmor, few other thingsFeb 21 11:03
DaemonFCso you get to watch a ton of error messages and have no AppArmor with your kernelFeb 21 11:03
oiaohmSwap over to selinux mode first.Feb 21 11:04
cubezzzughFeb 21 11:04
DaemonFCtried that at one pointFeb 21 11:04
oiaohmYep Ubuntu selinux mode is kinda broken.,Feb 21 11:04
DaemonFCI tried setting it to enforce and it told me that SELinux was not enabledFeb 21 11:04
DaemonFCUbuntu's documentation of it is incompleteFeb 21 11:05
cubezzzthe term bloatware is coming to mind Feb 21 11:05
DaemonFCI don't know why Ubuntu insists on a security framework that's outside the kernel, never going to be merged, and has been abandoned since Novell fired everybody in 2008Feb 21 11:06
oiaohmThey currently have coders working on it DaemonFCFeb 21 11:06
oiaohmYet every patch so far has been pulled appart by long term kernel developers.Feb 21 11:06
DaemonFCso how did AppArmor get chosen over SELinux?Feb 21 11:06
DaemonFCSELinux is already built into the kernelFeb 21 11:07
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oiaohmBecause Apparmor was so called simpler to use.  DaemonFCFeb 21 11:10
oiaohmLets say some Novell lovers left their early foot prints in ubuntuFeb 21 11:11
DaemonFCstill not worth maintaining out of tree stuff that you have no control overFeb 21 11:11
DaemonFCjust snag the SELinux Targeted policy and ship thatFeb 21 11:11
DaemonFCproblem solvedFeb 21 11:11
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] If you are a smart cookie check out http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems Interesting math problems :-) (via @salva_eswar)Feb 21 11:12
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DaemonFCthe Targeted policy takes care of tying down all the parts of the system most open for abuseFeb 21 11:13
DaemonFCthe rest is unconfinedFeb 21 11:13
DaemonFCshouldn't pose a problem for usability Feb 21 11:13
DaemonFCearlier Fedora (1 and 2) shipped it with the Strict policy as it's called nowFeb 21 11:14
DaemonFCand that made them unusable unless you unlabeled the file system yourself to disable itFeb 21 11:14
DaemonFCor booted with selinux=0 on the installer discFeb 21 11:15
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DaemonFCthat's kind of a reputation that SELinux never got away from even though the Targeted policy almost never gets in the wayFeb 21 11:15
DaemonFCAppArmor can be defeated with a hardlink Feb 21 11:16
DaemonFCso who cares how easy it is to write a profile for?Feb 21 11:16
DaemonFCoiaohm, The Strict profile means you have to put it in complain mode and then go about doing everything you would for a whileFeb 21 11:17
DaemonFCand using the complaint log to adjust policiesFeb 21 11:18
DaemonFCbefore putting SELinux back to enforceFeb 21 11:18
DaemonFCotherwise SELinux manages to kill just about everything you load in some horrible wayFeb 21 11:18
tessier_SE Linux is awesome once you know how to work with it.Feb 21 11:20
tessier_It runs on all of my servers. Including boycottnovell.comFeb 21 11:20
tessier_httpd won't be accidentally spawning any shells or reading /etc/passwd on my machines.Feb 21 11:20
DaemonFCthings that are difficult to configure often wind up being misconfiguredFeb 21 11:20
oiaohmThere are a lot of battles in vfs layer to fix up the weaknesses with path based.Feb 21 11:23
oiaohmThere are weaknesses with extended attribute system selinux uses as well it cannot cover all filesystems perfectly.Feb 21 11:24
DaemonFCyeah, it really hates ReiserFS tooFeb 21 11:25
DaemonFCand JFSFeb 21 11:25
DaemonFCyou can't use them at allFeb 21 11:26
DaemonFCthat's why Fedora has never supported themFeb 21 11:26
DaemonFCI may move over to Fedora once they have proper installation media for Alpha 1Feb 21 11:28
DaemonFCThey have some kind of an Alpha 1 test disc which I feel is a bit riskyFeb 21 11:29
DaemonFCI suppose I could just use my Fedora 12 CD and point it towards Rawhide :)Feb 21 11:29
DaemonFCerr, DVDFeb 21 11:29
DaemonFChttp://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/13-Alpha.TC2/Fedora/x86_64/iso/Feb 21 11:31
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DaemonFCyeah, I may just go with Fedora Rawhide for nowFeb 21 11:40
DaemonFCshouldn't be that hard, I don't need any proprietary driversFeb 21 11:41
DaemonFCI managed to stay on Rawhide forever even when I didFeb 21 11:41
DaemonFCoiaohm, Is Fedora using gstreamer or xine in their KDE spin?Feb 21 11:46
oiaohmHave not looked.  DaemonFCFeb 21 11:50
oiaohmMost likely still choosable.Feb 21 11:50
DaemonFCI've had back luck whenever I try to put gstreamer and Pulseaudio in KDEFeb 21 11:51
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oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/OpenPeak-OpenTablet-7/  Nice tableFeb 21 12:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] :O Really? RD: @snarf: #Paypal stole $US5k from X.Org. Boycott Paypal! http://is.gd/8R8tdFeb 21 12:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ‘Discontinues’ (Kills) #SCCP Product, Cancels Yet Another http://ur1.ca/mzs0 #alanwake #game #server #closureFeb 21 12:45
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Resumed reading "3 mistakes of my life". Hope i complete it soon. Need to buy new books with next month's salary :DFeb 21 13:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Contracts Telemarketers , Accused of “Phone SPAM” http://ur1.ca/mzxj #telemarketing #abuse #astroturfFeb 21 13:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yesterday I saw a N900. It's so impressive it makes me a bit jealous. Too bad it's so proprietary. Good thing is: I don't waste money on it.Feb 21 13:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL :D "How come nobody on farmville grows weed?" (via @bsherly)Feb 21 13:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #AstroTurfing from #Microsoft #Philippines , Increased Pressure on Businesses http://ur1.ca/n01y #shillforbillFeb 21 13:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Aggressive self-righteous stupidity may be fixable with nanobots.Feb 21 13:47
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DaemonFChmmmFeb 21 13:51
DaemonFCOK, I officially quit GNOMEFeb 21 13:54
DaemonFC:PFeb 21 13:54
EruaranhelloFeb 21 13:56
DaemonFCKDE managed to snag Aero SnapFeb 21 13:57
DaemonFCI accidentally used it and laughed for a secondFeb 21 13:57
Eruaran:)Feb 21 13:59
EruaranWell, if Microsoft's desktop design team is allowed to spend months browsing kde-look.org for 'inspiration' then surely its fine if KDE also borrows a bit as wellFeb 21 14:00
DaemonFCyeahFeb 21 14:00
DaemonFCwhat's odd is that Fedora only has Firefox 3.5.8Feb 21 14:00
DaemonFCthey don't have 3.6Feb 21 14:01
DaemonFCI say that's odd because Fedora updates everything else pretty aggressively Feb 21 14:02
EruaranIn their main repo?Feb 21 14:03
DaemonFCI have main updates and testing onFeb 21 14:03
EruaranI havent used Fedora for a long timeFeb 21 14:03
DaemonFCtime to look again Feb 21 14:04
DaemonFCthe KDE LiveCD was rather unimpressive at firstFeb 21 14:04
DaemonFCuntil I installed all the updatesFeb 21 14:04
cubezzzeveryone copies everyoneFeb 21 14:05
EruaranI should dl and have a lookFeb 21 14:05
DaemonFCI had to mess about a little to get the  audio system working how I wantFeb 21 14:05
Eruaranmy ISP has it on their servers so I can dl it unmeteredFeb 21 14:06
DaemonFCbut nothing more than I have to do in GNOMEFeb 21 14:06
DaemonFCEruaran: My ISP gives me 250 GB a month, so I don't have to keep track :DFeb 21 14:06
Eruaranpulseaudio?Feb 21 14:06
DaemonFCEruaran: YeahFeb 21 14:06
DaemonFCapparently the 250 GB a month cap is designed to eliminate people with no life who torrent shit all the timeFeb 21 14:07
DaemonFCso I wonder who is out there torrenting more than me B-)Feb 21 14:07
EruaranI don't really need a bigger dl limit since most of my large downloads are stuff from my ISP's servers anywayFeb 21 14:07
Eruaranoh there areFeb 21 14:07
amarsh04I get 20 GiB downloads, unmetered uploads plus unmetered Debian, Sourceforge and other mirrors, plus Australian Broadcasting Corporation contentFeb 21 14:08
DaemonFCComcast would never host a Linux distributionFeb 21 14:08
DaemonFCtheir support reps don't even know what it isFeb 21 14:08
amarsh04same isp as EruaranFeb 21 14:08
EruaranI found myself talking to a guy one night who was indignant that he'd been capped after using 500GB or something like thatFeb 21 14:08
DaemonFCjesusFeb 21 14:08
EruaranInternode host lots of distrosFeb 21 14:08
EruaranI use their Ubuntu mirrorFeb 21 14:09
Eruarananything related to Linux is unmeteredFeb 21 14:09
amarsh04Internode's founder is also a VAX expertFeb 21 14:09
EruaranVAX ehFeb 21 14:10
cubezzzlolFeb 21 14:10
DaemonFCEruaran: The Comcast guy came out one day and asked me if KDE was Windows 7Feb 21 14:10
cubezzzhalf a tetrabyteFeb 21 14:10
DaemonFCso I rebooted and started up Windows 7 Ultimate :PFeb 21 14:10
EruaranDaemonFC: heh I've had that as wellFeb 21 14:10
DaemonFChe asked me if it was the beta cause it was 3 months before 7 was outFeb 21 14:10
cubezzzI only talk directly to real techsFeb 21 14:10
DaemonFCand it wasn'tFeb 21 14:10
DaemonFCI had the RTMFeb 21 14:10
cubezzzI know their names :)Feb 21 14:10
EruaranI have KDE SC 4.4 on demo on the shop floorFeb 21 14:10
EruaranSome people thought it was Windows 7Feb 21 14:11
cubezzzduh!Feb 21 14:11
EruaranI use it cause its great for a demo systemFeb 21 14:11
DaemonFCWell, Fedora has updated the kernel, MESA, and X.org since I tried F12 out at launch and it sucked thenFeb 21 14:11
DaemonFCbut it runs a lot better nowFeb 21 14:12
DaemonFCsmooth compositing and all thatFeb 21 14:12
cubezzznext time tell them you use Embedix or tinycore :)Feb 21 14:12
DaemonFCit's like a rolling release within each version reallyFeb 21 14:12
EruaranHeres the funny part thoughFeb 21 14:12
EruaranThe demo system is just a new box with old parts in itFeb 21 14:13
cubezzzsome banks have real techsFeb 21 14:13
EruaranIts an old P4 with a 6600 graphics card.Feb 21 14:13
cubezzzwhoa, why so new?Feb 21 14:13
EruaranPeople play with it and comment on how smooth new computers are these daysFeb 21 14:13
DaemonFCYou'd never see Ubuntu ship with Linux 2.6.31, KDE 4.3, and Mesa 7.6 and then have that same release be on Linux 2.6.33, KDE 4.4.x, and Mesa 7.8 within three monthsFeb 21 14:13
cubezzz;-)Feb 21 14:13
DaemonFCFedora does that though :)Feb 21 14:13
EruaranIts just a display thing, meant to show you what the box looks like and play some media thats allFeb 21 14:14
EruaranIf anyone ever breaks in and steals it, they will be very disappointed ;)Feb 21 14:14
cubezzzif you were running Amiga I would be impressedFeb 21 14:14
EruaranhehFeb 21 14:14
DaemonFCEruaran: So you're letting them entertain you with 5-6 year old hardware?Feb 21 14:14
DaemonFCthat's nice :)Feb 21 14:14
cubezzzintel gives you little street credFeb 21 14:14
DaemonFCIntel is dogshitFeb 21 14:15
cubezzzand P4 was a major power pigFeb 21 14:15
DaemonFCI won't be buying from them againFeb 21 14:15
EruaranWell I cant afford a POWER7 atmFeb 21 14:15
DaemonFCThey didn't mention anywhere that the Core 2 is crippled in X86-64 Long ModeFeb 21 14:15
DaemonFCbut it isFeb 21 14:15
cubezzzit is hard to avoid intel thoughFeb 21 14:16
DaemonFCeasy to avoidFeb 21 14:17
DaemonFCcertainly easier to avoid than MSFeb 21 14:17
cubezzzwhich cpu are you using right now? :)Feb 21 14:17
DaemonFCAMD Phenom II X4 945Feb 21 14:17
EruaranI've always liked AMDFeb 21 14:18
cubezzzthey had a few lemons tooFeb 21 14:18
EruaranUsed their stuff since the early 90'sFeb 21 14:18
Eruaranoh I had this Microsoft booster going nuts at me the other dayFeb 21 14:20
cubezzzuh huhFeb 21 14:20
cubezzzbut aren't they always nuts?Feb 21 14:20
Eruaranpersonal attacks was all he could manageFeb 21 14:20
cubezzzat work?Feb 21 14:20
amarsh04cat /proc/cpuinfo on my new machine reports: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+Feb 21 14:20
EruarannoFeb 21 14:20
EruaranonlineFeb 21 14:20
Eruaranbasically he was saying "the Linux desktop" sucksFeb 21 14:21
amarsh04and on this pc: Pentium II (Klamath)Feb 21 14:21
EruaranAnd his conversation always arced back to the golden virtues of Visual Studio and C#Feb 21 14:21
cubezzzask him if he can compile his kernelFeb 21 14:22
cubezzzthat usually shuts them upFeb 21 14:22
EruaranAll it took to spark him off was my initial response to his criticismFeb 21 14:22
cubezzzor change his WMFeb 21 14:22
EruaranWhich was basically, "you mean my KDE SC 4.4 desktop is sub-par? How is that exactly?"Feb 21 14:22
cubezzzhehFeb 21 14:22
cubezzzooooo, very provocativeFeb 21 14:23
EruaranHe studiously avoided talking about KDE at allFeb 21 14:23
cubezzzso he knows nothing about itFeb 21 14:23
EruaranHis 'citique' revolved around "X Windows"Feb 21 14:23
cubezzzor ask him if he enjoys giving his money to rich billionaires :)Feb 21 14:24
cubezzzthat's always goodFeb 21 14:24
EruaranhehFeb 21 14:24
cubezzzand to be pendantic, it's really X Window SystemFeb 21 14:26
cubezzznot "X Windows"Feb 21 14:26
EruaranI really got up his nose when I said, "you mean xorg?"Feb 21 14:26
cubezzzand it predates dozeFeb 21 14:26
cubezzzwell...Feb 21 14:27
cubezzzthere are other systemsFeb 21 14:27
EruaranIn fact any disagreement with him at all meant being labelled by him as an anti-corporate hippie who could never get a real jobFeb 21 14:27
cubezzzGGI, Qtopia...Feb 21 14:27
cubezzzhe's just a goofFeb 21 14:27
Eruaranit was funFeb 21 14:28
EruaranThe more I stayed calm and corrected responses the more crazy he gotFeb 21 14:28
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cubezzzdoze sucksFeb 21 14:29
cubezzzyou can't really argueFeb 21 14:29
cubezzzand beyond that Microsoft is directly responsible for a ton of crapFeb 21 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Office Watch: #Microsoft Smears #Google Apps in Videos, Biased Articles, #ODF -hostile Dialogues http://ur1.ca/n05iFeb 21 14:30
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cubezzzMicrosoft tried to "de-commoditize protocols" by pressuring OEM's to build devices and not give out any programming information for themFeb 21 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Sunny Sunday morning.Feb 21 14:31
cubezzzthere are many very valid reasons to not use Microsoft productsFeb 21 14:31
cubezzzand programming for X is a lot more logical than programming for dozeFeb 21 14:31
cubezzzthey tried very hard to subvert the internet itselfFeb 21 14:32
EruaranOh, this guy was in love with DirectX as wellFeb 21 14:32
EruaranI wonder if his real name was Miguel...Feb 21 14:32
cubezzz:-/Feb 21 14:32
cubezzznot in here I trust?Feb 21 14:32
EruarannoFeb 21 14:32
EruaranI would have logged it, but it was popcorn entertainment more than anythingFeb 21 14:33
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cubezzzthe older zaurus pda's ran Linux without XFeb 21 14:34
cubezzzI'm sure if you wanted to avoid X on Linux you couldFeb 21 14:34
cubezzzvery old Linux wasn't too good, but it got better and better Feb 21 14:35
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Diablo-D3wellFeb 21 14:36
Diablo-D3theres actually a legitimate choice nowFeb 21 14:36
Diablo-D3waylandFeb 21 14:36
Diablo-D3and wayland is getting rid of eagle to use mesalandFeb 21 14:36
Diablo-D3so the last really bad issue is pretty much goneFeb 21 14:37
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAwNA   AMD now has a seat on X.orgFeb 21 14:37
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Diablo-D3as they shouldFeb 21 14:38
Diablo-D3in fact, they should probably have more than oneFeb 21 14:38
oiaohmhttp://www.khronos.org/egl/ wayland going egl instead of eagle does add some more interesting questions where it could be used.Feb 21 14:40
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oiaohmWayland on Symbian could be interesting.Feb 21 14:41
Diablo-D3oiaohm: no, eagle IS eglFeb 21 14:41
Diablo-D3its a egl specific framework that originated with/on androidFeb 21 14:41
oiaohmeagle had extentions to EGL that were not cross implemenation of EGLFeb 21 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Conservapedia Bible Project has finished its translation of Revelation. http://is.gd/8RDat WHATFeb 21 14:43
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: no different than how mesa has mesa specific extensions to openglFeb 21 14:43
Diablo-D3from the hardware's stand point, no one caresFeb 21 14:44
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyMQ  << You Missed this.  Diablo-D3Feb 21 14:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Wayland Losing Its Eagle-Specific EGL Bits .::. Size~: 17.33 KBFeb 21 14:44
Diablo-D3I didnt miss anythingFeb 21 14:44
Diablo-D3they're nuking eagle supportFeb 21 14:44
Diablo-D3thats one of several stories about itFeb 21 14:44
Diablo-D3problem is phoronix sucks at reporting the newsFeb 21 14:44
oiaohmReally the difference from Mesa extensions and eagles is there already existed other ways todo what eagle was doing so no chance of other EGL implementations picking up how eagle was doing it.Feb 21 14:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft uses its Web browser to promote its own Web services while pretending http://ur1.ca/n07oFeb 21 15:01
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: well noFeb 21 15:01
Diablo-D3other "ways" but not quite useful in the context of using eagle or waylandFeb 21 15:01
Diablo-D3a lot of eagle shit was better served elsewhereFeb 21 15:02
Diablo-D3such as kmsFeb 21 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News coverage about #Microsoft litigation and compensation for illegal business practices which continue to this date http://ur1.ca/n094Feb 21 15:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Eye on Microsoft Crime: Microsoft “Consumer Fraud Class Action Lawsuit”, Wallace vs Microsoft, Arizona Antitrust | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.79 KBFeb 21 15:14
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oiaohmhttp://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3213172/alex-laptop-to-bring-linux-to-the-masses/?olo=rssFeb 21 15:19
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schestowitzYeah, well... they come and goFeb 21 15:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I weakned and bought Bioshock 2. When is steam linux going to happen?Feb 21 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just in Time: #SCO Finds More Cash Injection Proposals… from Former SCO Chairman http://ur1.ca/n0ceFeb 21 15:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Scotland investigating #MI5 complicity in #torture of 5 Britons http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7034942.ece #uk #iraqFeb 21 16:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A-G Scotland investigating #MI5 complicity in #torture of 5 Britons http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7034942.ece #uk #iraqFeb 21 16:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] former Uzbek Ambassador explains how Britain enables #torture http://bit.ly/cz0Pa7 "it brings piles of rubbish" via @mparent77772 #cia #iraqFeb 21 16:23
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schestowitzHEy, ryanFeb 21 16:40
DaemonFCmorningFeb 21 16:42
*DaemonFC is trying to figure out what the deal is with World Of Goo not startingFeb 21 16:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I must not check in a new memory manager two hours before going on an overseas vacation." http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1193Feb 21 16:45
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DaemonFCI think I might go to pizza hut again and make one of those 3 pound saladsFeb 21 17:02
DaemonFCthose are quite the challenge Feb 21 17:02
DaemonFChave to carefully build it in layers to make sure it is structurally soundFeb 21 17:02
DaemonFCthen at the end, you grab a handful of captains wafers and fill the top of the box, and slam it shutFeb 21 17:04
schestowitztessier: server load is always very high so pages are served slowlyFeb 21 17:04
schestowitzIs this normalFeb 21 17:04
schestowitzgtg, bblFeb 21 17:04
DaemonFCget out of there with $8 worth of salad in a $6 salad box :)Feb 21 17:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: Depends on what the server is doingFeb 21 17:05
DaemonFCcould even be disk thrashingFeb 21 17:05
DaemonFC(ext3 = haha!)Feb 21 17:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lawyer: Microsoft “Covers up Alleged Misconduct, Mischaracterizes Evidence” http://ur1.ca/n0hx Wow.Feb 21 17:06
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DaemonFCthey like to tell you that Linux filesystems don't fragment, what they should say is that some fragment less than others and only XFS has the repair tool :)Feb 21 17:06
DaemonFCyou have that thing deleting and creating files all day every day for a few years, and it's fragmented enough to cause thrashingFeb 21 17:07
DaemonFCguarantee itFeb 21 17:07
DaemonFCbbiabFeb 21 17:08
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ender2070lolFeb 21 17:21
ender2070they're designed not to fragmentFeb 21 17:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] !Listening to Ac-Dc - Rock N' Roll TrainFeb 21 17:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa all credit for that to http://dadhacker.com/blog #humourFeb 21 17:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “govt is not trying to destroy #Microsoft..simply seeking to compel MS to obey law..it's revealing Gates equates the two” http://ur1.ca/n0hxFeb 21 17:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Impeachment and indictment on the agenda for Yoo, Bybee http://bit.ly/c8swhv #torture #war #crimeFeb 21 17:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Yoo, Bybee, And Disinformation | The Public Record .::. Size~: 41.99 KBFeb 21 17:43
ender2070schestowitz - u there?Feb 21 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Intellectual Ventures & Myhrvold #fraud worse than #patents Troll http://ur1.ca/mzae http://ur1.ca/mzaf <- read 1st commentFeb 21 17:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Software patents are the problem not the answer - Union Square Ventures: A New York Venture Capital Fund Focused on Early Stage & Startup Investing .::. Size~: 32.05 KBFeb 21 17:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Against Monopoly  .::. Size~: 26.21 KBFeb 21 17:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@bletchleypark & each #Enigma had two spare plugboard wires, so why stop at 10, not 11. // why not just make 10 louder?Feb 21 17:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yay, found the correct set of fixes to ecore.spec.in for getting #enlightenment on #fedora 12Feb 21 18:05
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Omar87This Psychopath is a real psychopath!Feb 21 18:15
Omar87Greetings all!Feb 21 18:15
*DaemonFC hugs Omar87 Feb 21 18:18
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 18:18
Omar87DaemonFC, :)Feb 21 18:18
DaemonFCFor anyone wanting to get in on the Fedora 13 action, you better not use RawhideFeb 21 18:18
DaemonFCor you're on the road to Fedora 14Feb 21 18:18
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 18:18
*DaemonFC ended up yanking a Fedora 13 release RPM from a mirror and slapping it onto his Fedora 12 systemFeb 21 18:19
DaemonFC:)Feb 21 18:19
DaemonFCrefresh the repositories and upgradeFeb 21 18:20
DaemonFCThey really need to fix all that lingering documentation that says use Rawhide to land on the next releaseFeb 21 18:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'I think "irrational fear of #RMS" should be a recognized phobia.' Erik Naggum #gpl #gnu #fsf http://bit.ly/brxzmiFeb 21 18:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Re: Ethics in programming - Naggum cll archive .::. Size~: 6.5 KBFeb 21 18:21
Omar87schestowitz, pingFeb 21 18:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] make distclean ; ./autogen.sh && make dist-gzip && mv *.tar.* /tmp/ && sudo su - makerpm -c -- "rpmbuild -tb /tmp/esmart*tar.gz" still here.Feb 21 18:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got to get the links sorted out on Openbytes. Been promising myself that I would do it for a while...Feb 21 18:58
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_Goblinsilent night....Feb 21 19:15
_Goblinnot even daemonFC is about...Feb 21 19:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft – “Trustworthy” Computing?!? http://tinyurl.com/yg3a3f5 #windows #vista #xp #windows7 #microsoft #apple #linux #fossFeb 21 19:26
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ender2070https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Four_foundationsFeb 21 19:37
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sebsebseb Feb 21 19:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: here's a link for you I think,  as well as anyone else interested in GNOME http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary/48.htmlFeb 21 20:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great article by Joe Wilcox - "Microsoft Confessions: 'There were a ton of bozos'" http://tinyurl.com/yc5hdeb #microsoft #windows #xp #vistaFeb 21 20:10
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_Goblinsebsebseb: thanks! I'll take a look!Feb 21 20:10
*schestowitz lisrens to http://www.twit.tv/floss109Feb 21 20:14
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schestowitzOmar87: heyFeb 21 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Dear lazyweb, I need a couple of pictures from Andalucia and Extremadura's GNU/Linux schools.Feb 21 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @BoingBoing #ACTA "internet enforcement" chapter leaks http://bit.ly/bpuq7pFeb 21 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Certainly in Ubuntu 9.10 for me, K3b is a far superior package to Brasero. If Brasero is being funny unmounting/mounting try k3b. #ubuntuFeb 21 20:19
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schestowitz> .. users residing in countries on the United States Office of ForeignFeb 21 20:20
schestowitz> Assets Control (OFAC) sanction list, including Cuba, Iran, NorthFeb 21 20:20
schestowitz> Korea, Sudan, and Syria, may not post content to, or access contentFeb 21 20:20
schestowitz> available through, SourceForge.net ..Feb 21 20:20
schestowitz> Feb 21 20:20
schestowitz> http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/Feb 21 20:20
schestowitz> Feb 21 20:20
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schestowitz> I wonder what other companies are not blocked, this is a retoricalFeb 21 20:20
schestowitz> question Roy, what I mean is for you to go and investigate. Write theFeb 21 20:20
schestowitz> the top software companies (and the US state department) and ask them,Feb 21 20:20
schestowitz> then post the results.Feb 21 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] BTW I loved Elive. I will be featuring shortly and it will be appearing on a few of my rigs shortly. #linux #foss #eliveFeb 21 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 thanks, I saw thatFeb 21 20:21
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jweyrichFurnaceBoy: oláFeb 21 20:23
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: boa tardeFeb 21 20:23
jweyrichping rnbFeb 21 20:24
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DaemonFCGreeting from Fedora 13Feb 21 20:26
DaemonFCwhat will be anywawFeb 21 20:26
DaemonFC*anywayFeb 21 20:26
DaemonFCwhere my GPU is almost fully operational :)Feb 21 20:26
jweyrichin portuguese, fedor means bad smell. I always associade fedora with that lol.Feb 21 20:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeah i was rt'ing your link with an edited blurbFeb 21 20:27
DaemonFC*facepalm*Feb 21 20:27
DaemonFCIt's a HAT!!!Feb 21 20:27
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 20:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I think everyone including jweyrich knows that.Feb 21 20:27
DaemonFCI knowFeb 21 20:27
DaemonFCmaking sure we were all on the same pageFeb 21 20:28
FurnaceBoyunfortunate association in Pt, tho. :)Feb 21 20:28
jweyrichhahaFeb 21 20:28
jweyrichI don't like redhat anyway :)Feb 21 20:28
FurnaceBoythey're a bad smell!Feb 21 20:28
*FurnaceBoy ducksFeb 21 20:28
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: heyFeb 21 20:30
schestowitzI'm very much behindFeb 21 20:31
DaemonFCI still don't know why Fedora is calling 3d acceleration on my card experimentalFeb 21 20:31
schestowitzI have about 20 posts but they need workFeb 21 20:31
DaemonFCATI's own driver is worse than thisFeb 21 20:31
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: how do you call the days when you have willing to do nothing. unwilling day?Feb 21 20:31
schestowitzIt includes both those IV links you gaveFeb 21 20:31
schestowitzI saw them 1.5 days agoFeb 21 20:31
schestowitzMyhrvold is not a programmerFeb 21 20:31
bruce89sebsebseb: helloFeb 21 20:32
schestowitzIt's just some arrogant cosmologistFeb 21 20:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, The Fedora LiveCD doesn't just cut out MonoFeb 21 20:32
DaemonFCit gets rid of GIMP and OOo as wellFeb 21 20:32
schestowitzOKFeb 21 20:33
schestowitzToo little is fineFeb 21 20:34
DaemonFCbut at least it doesn't assault you with horrid user interface crapplets, Yahoo search, and a MP3 music store built in I guessFeb 21 20:34
DaemonFCyeah, if you know what to addFeb 21 20:34
schestowitzWhen people are shoves s/t to remove (mono), then...Feb 21 20:34
schestowitz*vedFeb 21 20:34
DaemonFCMono should be the first thing to go if you're out of spaceFeb 21 20:34
DaemonFCI just don't get not having GIMP and OOoFeb 21 20:34
DaemonFCUbuntu managed to have all of that on a CDFeb 21 20:35
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: every day!Feb 21 20:35
DaemonFCwhere did the space go on Fedora'sFeb 21 20:35
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: LOLFeb 21 20:35
jweyrichthat too.Feb 21 20:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: olaFeb 21 20:35
bruce89Fedora installs javavFeb 21 20:35
DaemonFCIcedTeaFeb 21 20:35
DaemonFC:)Feb 21 20:35
bruce89although I hear that 13's LiveCD will have OOoFeb 21 20:35
_GoblinDaemonFC: re: Mono, I agree.  The reasoning behind Gimp was that Ubuntu is supplied on CD to countries/systems who may not have access to DVD, hence the space saving ethos.Feb 21 20:35
DaemonFCstill, that's no bigger than MonoFeb 21 20:35
bruce89but it'll be DVD only I thinkFeb 21 20:36
DaemonFC_Goblin, Without other concerns of Mono, its space expense to usefulness says "ditch it"Feb 21 20:36
DaemonFCthe fact that it's on the Ubuntu LiveCD says a lotFeb 21 20:36
DaemonFCespecially since their nightly CD is almost always oversizedFeb 21 20:36
jweyrichwell, besides few.. who does need Mono...Feb 21 20:36
ender2070they have abiword instead of oooFeb 21 20:37
DaemonFCwell, Mono runtime takes up at least 60 MB on that CD, and that's only because the CD is compressedFeb 21 20:37
_GoblinDaemonFC: I would agree re: Mono.  Ive had a long chat with Jono and whilst removing GIMP ruined a potential deployment of 10.04 for me, it does make sense...can anyone tell me how much space does Mono consume?Feb 21 20:37
DaemonFC_Goblin, The runtimes are about 100 MB before you install assembliesFeb 21 20:38
DaemonFC:)Feb 21 20:38
_Goblinthats bigger than I expected.Feb 21 20:38
bruce89they don't use xz yet do they?Feb 21 20:38
ender2070the kde livecd has all of what you would expectFeb 21 20:38
DaemonFCBanshee alone adds several megs in assembliesFeb 21 20:38
DaemonFCF-Spot has its ownFeb 21 20:39
ender2070no mono, koffice, kopete, konversation, amarok, etcFeb 21 20:39
DaemonFCTomboy brings a fewFeb 21 20:39
DaemonFCGNOTE is a huge embarassment to MonoFeb 21 20:39
_GoblinI personally thought having Abiword rather than OO was a better idea...Feb 21 20:39
DaemonFCbecause it shows how wasteful Tomboy isFeb 21 20:39
ender2070yesFeb 21 20:39
_GoblinDaemonFC: I don't think there was ever any doubt about how wasteful Mono is/was.Feb 21 20:40
DaemonFC_Goblin, Well, if there was no benchmark of how wasteful Mono is with RAM, there is nowFeb 21 20:40
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DaemonFCand it's there for all to seeFeb 21 20:40
_GoblinDaemonFC: and it seems the only ones interested in trying to make apps with it seem to be Novell employee's.Feb 21 20:41
DaemonFCI'd like to see a C++ port of Banshee myselfFeb 21 20:41
DaemonFCI would definitely love to have thatFeb 21 20:41
bruce89wait until there's a C port of gnote forstFeb 21 20:41
DaemonFCwell, Banshee does make Rhythmbox look like crapFeb 21 20:42
DaemonFCbut it needs the entire Mono runtime, assemblies, etc.Feb 21 20:42
DaemonFCI don't feel like bringing in a whole runtime just to run one application I find usefulFeb 21 20:42
DaemonFCNovell is focusing major effort and expenses to develop Banshee because they want to point to one thing that needs Mono that's indispensibleFeb 21 20:44
DaemonFCthere really does need to be a better music player for GNOME, it's just that it happened in the worst way possibleFeb 21 20:45
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schestowitzAmarok is grearFeb 21 20:48
schestowitzAnd it develops rapidlyFeb 21 20:48
schestowitz*greatFeb 21 20:48
DaemonFCyeah, it's not for GNOME though, you can bring it in but it brings about 200+ MB of dependenciesFeb 21 20:49
DaemonFCit's cheaper, dependency-wise to haul in BansheeFeb 21 20:50
schestowitzFurnaceBoy/others: bar audits, what means are there for checking/showing that a company is operating fradulently?Feb 21 20:50
schestowitz*fraudulentlyFeb 21 20:50
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schestowitzI fear that the FTC/SEC/other pets are totally useless. They have been corrupted by the industry they visit (like Deborah Majoras)Feb 21 20:50
*DaemonFC goes off to find Solar, the theme in F11 and F12 suckFeb 21 20:51
schestowitzThemes are artificial things to judge byFeb 21 20:51
schestowitzIf it works, set it how you like itFeb 21 20:51
schestowitzDefaults in KDE can also suck, but there are tons of options for customisationFeb 21 20:52
schestowitzI have alt+F7 for full screen for exampleFeb 21 20:52
schestowitzSaves timeFeb 21 20:52
schestowitzFocus strictly under mouseFeb 21 20:52
schestowitzTransition between desktop is floating windows rather than cube!Feb 21 20:52
schestowitzReally niceFeb 21 20:52
schestowitzAnd close windows blow aprtFeb 21 20:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, This Fedora 13 snapshot I'm on is very smooth wrt their ati/3d acceleration supportFeb 21 20:53
schestowitzOh, here comes some provocation: http://www.pcworld.com/article/189829/2010_is_becoming_the_year_of_google_screwups.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 21 20:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 2010 Is Becoming the Year of Google Screwups - PCWorld .::. Size~: 66.64 KBFeb 21 20:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: goodFeb 21 20:53
DaemonFCI'll never go back to ATI's driverFeb 21 20:53
schestowitzI've had a fine time with ATIFeb 21 20:54
schestowitzPersonallyFeb 21 20:54
DaemonFCwith FGLRX?Feb 21 20:54
schestowitzDual head evenFeb 21 20:54
schestowitzSetup was not as simpleFeb 21 20:54
schestowitzIt's a one-time task thoughFeb 21 20:54
schestowitzSet it and forget itFeb 21 20:54
DaemonFCGnewsense people are "Real Men", gut out GLX supportFeb 21 20:54
DaemonFCyuckFeb 21 20:54
schestowitzThat's why we need preintstallsFeb 21 20:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good questionFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: we're helplessFeb 21 20:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: reminds me of the Madoff case, tooFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzIt's like with MadoffFeb 21 20:55
FurnaceBoyHAHAFeb 21 20:55
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 21 20:55
schestowitzMany people exposed himFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzManyFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzOver the yearsFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzSEC didn't listenFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzWhen did they listen?Feb 21 20:55
schestowitzWhen Madoff himself turned himself inFeb 21 20:55
schestowitzThen they thought, "hey... maybe he's kidding us" :-)Feb 21 20:56
FurnaceBoyeven when you get them into court and CONVICT them, it changes nothing ... Madoff must only be one of hundreds; only exposed due to receding waters of recessionFeb 21 20:56
schestowitz"hey, bernie, you ain't s**ting with us, are you? Have you been drinking?"Feb 21 20:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Do you know what you're doing?"Feb 21 20:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Are you sure you want to do this? You can turn right around and go home."Feb 21 20:56
schestowitzBernie: no, no, I scammed the world... $60,000,000,000Feb 21 20:56
schestowitzMicrosoft said it had cash reserves of  $60,000,000,000Feb 21 20:57
schestowitzThat was ages ago Feb 21 20:57
FurnaceBoyat one timeFeb 21 20:57
schestowitzMaybe debt fundedFeb 21 20:57
schestowitzNow it has debtFeb 21 20:57
schestowitzAlso........Feb 21 20:57
schestowitzI read this book on MicrosoftFeb 21 20:57
schestowitzIn the 80s it had no moneyFeb 21 20:57
FurnaceBoyI like the way the IV article pointed out the eventual pay day for GatesFeb 21 20:57
schestowitzIt couldn't buy companiesFeb 21 20:57
FurnaceBoyMicrosoft was structured like that.Feb 21 20:57
FurnaceBoycritical mass -> payday -> gone.Feb 21 20:57
schestowitzDon't worryFeb 21 20:58
schestowitzThere's enough PR to keep them out of jailFeb 21 20:58
schestowitzThe public might even ask for itFeb 21 20:58
schestowitzPower of perceptiobnFeb 21 20:58
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189812/leaked_acta_draft_treaty_reveals_plans_for_net_clampdown.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 21 20:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Leaked ACTA Draft Treaty Reveals Plans for Net Clampdown - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.46 KBFeb 21 20:58
*bruce89 starts the long process of integrating fixes in translations from UbuntuFeb 21 20:59
bruce89so nice of them to fork themFeb 21 21:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, I think ive done most of my Openbytes stuff for today. You won't get much sense from me on PPV night...Feb 21 21:08
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189725/Moscow_Billboard_Porn_Hacker_Busted.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 21 21:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moscow Billboard Porn Hacker Busted - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.07 KBFeb 21 21:10
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189706/massive_botnet.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 21 21:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Over 75,000 Systems Compromised in Cyberattack - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.54 KBFeb 21 21:11
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schestowitzIDG annoys.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/189553/safari_hacking_contest.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 21 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Will Apple's Safari Fall First in Hacking Contest ... Again? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 73.85 KBFeb 21 21:19
schestowitzThey forgot LinusFeb 21 21:19
schestowitzThey forgot LinuxFeb 21 21:19
schestowitzLinux won it 2 years agoFeb 21 21:19
Omar87schestowitz, hey manFeb 21 21:19
schestowitzWHat's up?Feb 21 21:21
schestowitzDid you get my Jordan refs?Feb 21 21:21
schestowitzI'll have time to write about them tomorrowFeb 21 21:22
FurnaceBoyOmar87: olaFeb 21 21:22
schestowitzhttps://secure3.convio.net/gpeace/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=612&s_src=1002newsletter&JServSessionIdr004=3kkkfltjr6.app333aFeb 21 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Greenpeace:  .::. Size~: 13.49 KBFeb 21 21:23
schestowitzhttp://members.greenpeace.org/blog/greenpeaceusa_blog/2010/02/17/obama_s_atomic_blunderFeb 21 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Obama's atomic blunder - Greenpeace USA Blog .::. Size~: 32.88 KBFeb 21 21:23
schestowitzhttp://www.fpif.org/articles/obama_boosts_nukesFeb 21 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KBFeb 21 21:23
schestowitz"On February 1, the Obama administration delivered a budget request calling for a full 10 percent increase in nuclear weapons spending next year, to be followed by further increases in subsequent years.    "Feb 21 21:24
schestowitzNuclear presidentFeb 21 21:24
Omar87FurnaceBoy, hi!Feb 21 21:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hmmmm wasn't he mumbling about disarmament...Feb 21 21:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: wants it both ways does he?Feb 21 21:24
Omar87schestowitz, Mr Psychopath pissed me off a little lately.Feb 21 21:24
schestowitzDon't worry, chaps. The US is making more nuclear bombs just to save us from asteroids... that's what Russia is saying tooFeb 21 21:25
schestowitzOmar87: isn't that a trollFeb 21 21:25
schestowitzIgnore the trollsFeb 21 21:25
schestowitzFeeding them encourages themFeb 21 21:26
schestowitzThey don't stick to the subject evenFeb 21 21:26
schestowitzPathetic IMHOFeb 21 21:26
Omar87schestowitz, o'course he is.Feb 21 21:26
schestowitzRMS: "Barrie Sheldon dares the UK to prosecute him for bringing his wife the drugs with which to kill herself at the last moment she would still have been able to." http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/feb/19/barrie-sheldon-assisted-suicide-overdoseFeb 21 21:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 77-year-old man 'assisted in ailing wife's suicide' |Society |The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.22 KBFeb 21 21:26
schestowitzOmar87: just don't waste time on himFeb 21 21:26
schestowitzYou've got real issues to addressFeb 21 21:26
Omar87schestowitz, lol! They're biggest argument now is basically that you usually tend to back your arguments with links to previous articles that you wrote about that certain subject.Feb 21 21:27
schestowitzWhat's most hilarious to me is that they compare attacks on ONE PERSON to a criticism from one person of a company of 85,000 full-time employees (MSFT) and 39,000 (NOVL)Feb 21 21:27
schestowitz*3,900Feb 21 21:28
Omar87Their*Feb 21 21:28
schestowitzMy articles contain external linksFeb 21 21:28
schestowitzPeople can follow through to the external onesFeb 21 21:28
schestowitzAnd those who are not trolls already know this and point this outFeb 21 21:28
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/18/palm-oil-biofuels-eu-planFeb 21 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A surreal argument for biofuels | David Cronin |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 192.91 KBFeb 21 21:29
schestowitzRMS: "The EU is considering getting 10% of its fuel from palm oil, which would devastate rainforests and raise worldwide food prices. Biofuel will be a great idea if and when it can be made from plant waste or weeds, but cultivating crops for this purpose is stupid (or worse, corrupt)."Feb 21 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Obama talks up disarmament then commits to #death industry http://bit.ly/bi5h6d (ht @schestowitz) WITHDRAW NOBELFeb 21 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KBFeb 21 21:30
schestowitzWe ruin nature very fast http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/18/deep-sea-trawling-coral-reefsFeb 21 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Deep-sea trawling is destroying coral reefs and pristine marine habitats |Environment |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 76.71 KBFeb 21 21:30
FurnaceBoyPalm oil is major driver of deforestation in Indonesia and SE AsiaFeb 21 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On #Obama's request [for nuke $$] Linton Brooks, who ran Nucular Security for Bush, said "I would've killed for this kind of budget" #deathFeb 21 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If [#Obama] budget request passes...Los Alamos would see a 22% budget increase in 1 year, its biggest since the Manhattan Project." #deathFeb 21 21:34
*DaemonFC facepalmsFeb 21 21:36
DaemonFCI had to edit my repo file for rpmfusionFeb 21 21:36
DaemonFCit was point to "13" which didn't exist yetFeb 21 21:36
DaemonFCand all the files I wanted were labeled fc9 through fc12 anywayFeb 21 21:37
*DaemonFC imagines he'll need to fix this eventually, but has MP3 for noFeb 21 21:37
DaemonFC*nowFeb 21 21:37
DaemonFCoh now this is interestingFeb 21 21:37
DaemonFCthey have fc13 packages shoved into fc12's folderFeb 21 21:38
*DaemonFC is having a WTF momentFeb 21 21:38
schestowitzLos Alamos uses GNU/Linux, FurnaceBoyFeb 21 21:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no doubtFeb 21 21:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: what do you think of nukes?Feb 21 21:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: any organization beyond a certain size doesFeb 21 21:40
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: the whole "defence" industry doiesFeb 21 21:40
schestowitzIt's good for HPCFeb 21 21:40
schestowitzSaves moneyFeb 21 21:41
*DaemonFC stopped worrying and learned to love the bombFeb 21 21:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and of course they are a hotbed of HPC, which is 90%+ linuxFeb 21 21:41
schestowitzThey are short.... half a trillion a year not enoughFeb 21 21:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightFeb 21 21:41
schestowitzOr maybe Linux is better for more than just cost :-DFeb 21 21:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's not just costFeb 21 21:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, Cutting the budget is a good motivator sometimesFeb 21 21:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: flexibility tooFeb 21 21:41
schestowitzThat Linus guy...Feb 21 21:41
DaemonFCforces people to figure out how to do more with lessFeb 21 21:41
schestowitzHelping #death :-)Feb 21 21:41
schestowitzNot knowing about itFeb 21 21:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: any taxpayer doesFeb 21 21:42
schestowitzhe thought he was just coding for servers, phones, and smartvibratorsFeb 21 21:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: we just get to pick what flag flies on the battlefieldFeb 21 21:42
DaemonFCactually, they're preventing deathFeb 21 21:42
DaemonFCby the millionsFeb 21 21:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did you HAVE to do that?Feb 21 21:42
schestowitzSorry.Feb 21 21:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you warned me of this the other dayFeb 21 21:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :PFeb 21 21:42
schestowitzIt's just that he ignored problemsFeb 21 21:42
schestowitzIn denialFeb 21 21:42
schestowitzLike the average Indianan (is that a word?)Feb 21 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] At LAX, awesome #scale as usual, but ready for home.Feb 21 21:43
DaemonFCenough nuclear powers out there that hate us, that they would nuke us if they thought it would be a freebieFeb 21 21:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, HoosierFeb 21 21:43
schestowitzYour daddy?Feb 21 21:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: never raise a topic about which books have been written. because he's read exactly zero of them.Feb 21 21:43
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndianaFeb 21 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 413.89 KBFeb 21 21:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Hitcham from Morocco used to hang out here and attempt to educate DaemonFCFeb 21 21:44
DaemonFCDemonym HoosierFeb 21 21:44
schestowitzI guess it won't harm to reolve issuesFeb 21 21:44
DaemonFCNickname(s): The Hoosier StateFeb 21 21:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: he never left his continent, either (not that it matters, IMHO)Feb 21 21:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: shucks, even before the 'net, there were public libraries; there's really no excuseFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzSagan has a good video on librariesFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzAnd his childhood story about how he learned about starsFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzToday's kids use FB and stuffFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzI don't think people in general can read booksFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzThey read short stuffFeb 21 21:45
schestowitzPages->blog posts->microbloggingFeb 21 21:46
schestowitzWe've reduced the Internet too to txting *lol*Feb 21 21:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: whatevs! nukes r gd kFeb 21 21:46
schestowitzlol 4 shorFeb 21 21:47
DaemonFCYou know that during the civil war, Indiana was only invaded once :DFeb 21 21:47
DaemonFCand the invaders were routed and sent retreating through OhioFeb 21 21:47
schestowitzBy who?Feb 21 21:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: you should have had nukes themFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCthe confederatesFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCnah, they didn't come backFeb 21 21:48
schestowitzYou could nuke themFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCfuck the southFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCwe shouldFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCdamn right!Feb 21 21:48
FurnaceBoymos' def'Feb 21 21:48
schestowitzRight at the border when the wing swings the right directionFeb 21 21:48
schestowitz*sindFeb 21 21:48
schestowitz*>windFeb 21 21:48
DaemonFCI hope Texas does secede and we have an excuse to nuke itFeb 21 21:49
schestowitzIdiot.Feb 21 21:49
DaemonFCI don't think Obama has the balls to do it thoughFeb 21 21:49
FurnaceBoyLOLFeb 21 21:49
FurnaceBoyoh man... is that your definition of masculinity? THe will to drop a nuclear weapon? The rest of the world calls it "psychosis".Feb 21 21:49
DaemonFCit's TexasFeb 21 21:49
DaemonFCI treat psychoses as kind of like a bank account Feb 21 21:50
DaemonFCTexas keeps overdrawing itselfFeb 21 21:50
DaemonFCsomeone has to return the balance to neutralFeb 21 21:50
DaemonFCand Who ya gonna call?Feb 21 21:51
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 21:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The latest Microsoft Office vids on youtube seem about as popular as the Windows 7 party ads. lol. You don't get it Microsoft do you? #failFeb 21 21:51
DaemonFCI think the universe gave us Texans so there's be something more annoying than CanadiansFeb 21 21:51
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DaemonFCif you think about it, Texans really are the anti-CanadiansFeb 21 21:52
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/beck-gop-fess-tiger-woods/Feb 21 21:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Glenn Beck wants GOP to fess up like Tiger Woods |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 32.59 KBFeb 21 21:52
DaemonFConly instead of them telling you to throw out your guns and be a hippie, they're telling you to arm yourself with fucking rocket launchersFeb 21 21:53
DaemonFCarguing that this is what the Second Amendment was put there for in a time of single shot muskets that took a minute to reloadFeb 21 21:53
schestowitz" arm yourself with fucking rocket launchers"? [citation needed]Feb 21 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Nuclear weapons are an especially dangerous investment for a declining hegemon." http://fpif.org/articles/obama_boosts_nukes #obama #deathFeb 21 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sign of company on the retreatFeb 21 21:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Foreign Policy in Focus | Obama Boosts Nukes .::. Size~: 25.91 KBFeb 21 21:54
DaemonFCnobody needs an M16 to go deer hunting withFeb 21 21:55
schestowitzWhat shocks me is that Obama cut NASA budgetsFeb 21 21:55
DaemonFCor for personal protectionFeb 21 21:55
schestowitzCivilisation and science are more important than rms, but hey, that's just my humble opinionFeb 21 21:55
FurnaceBoy"throw out your guns and be a hippie"? (citation needed)Feb 21 21:55
schestowitzAfter breaking apart all this ammunition after the Cold WarFeb 21 21:55
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, What's the limit that Canada allows you to have?Feb 21 21:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Bill ORLY, FAUX News, January 5th, 1991: 5:60Feb 21 21:56
DaemonFClow powered rifles and shotguns?Feb 21 21:56
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: a lot more than we needFeb 21 21:56
DaemonFCI'd kind of like to get an AR-15Feb 21 21:57
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/dutch-government-falls-afghan-military-mission/Feb 21 21:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dutch government falls over Afghan military mission |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 34.7 KBFeb 21 21:57
schestowitzHa!Feb 21 21:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yepFeb 21 21:57
DaemonFCjsut cause it looks almost exactly like the M16Feb 21 21:57
schestowitzGood luck, Mr. NobelFeb 21 21:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I am praying my heart out that Harper is nextFeb 21 21:57
DaemonFCpeople would see you with that and run like hellFeb 21 21:57
schestowitzn http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33199.htmlFeb 21 21:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Paul: 'The revolution is alive and well' - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 77.65 KBFeb 21 21:58
schestowitzAFAIK, he's not pro-gunsFeb 21 21:58
DaemonFChmm, ok, so now I have Fedora all set upFeb 21 21:59
schestowitzWe should fund a DaemonFC presidential campaignFeb 21 21:59
schestowitzHe could beat Palin in a heartbeatFeb 21 21:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why would you want ME to be the President?Feb 21 21:59
schestowitzAnd none of us has US citizenship...Feb 21 21:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's obviousFeb 21 21:59
schestowitzYou'll hasten up the crisisFeb 21 21:59
*FurnaceBoy laughsFeb 21 21:59
DaemonFCI know why you THINK it's obviousFeb 21 22:00
schestowitzAnd end some misery to places like GreeceFeb 21 22:00
schestowitzSo we in the EU won't need to bail out for Gold Man's Axe messFeb 21 22:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, the few examples we have had of an executive having no party affiliations, the Democrats and Republicans overruled their vetoes most of the timeFeb 21 22:00
schestowitzNot that the UK wasn't complicit...Feb 21 22:01
schestowitzBut that's another subject altogetherFeb 21 22:01
DaemonFClook at how many times it happened to Jesse VenturaFeb 21 22:01
schestowitzVentura *LOL*Feb 21 22:01
schestowitzI saw some videos of him in politics... about 10Feb 21 22:01
schestowitzIt was more than enoughFeb 21 22:01
DaemonFCI like himFeb 21 22:01
DaemonFCI'd vote for himFeb 21 22:01
schestowitzHe's like the Schwarzenegger typeFeb 21 22:01
schestowitzPeople vote for him fakeFeb 21 22:01
DaemonFChe should run in 2012Feb 21 22:01
schestowitzAnd musclesFeb 21 22:01
DaemonFCnahFeb 21 22:01
schestowitzThat's how states get destryedFeb 21 22:01
schestowitzCA is banklrupt\Feb 21 22:02
DaemonFCThe Governator is jsut a rich hollywood actor from AustriaFeb 21 22:02
DaemonFChe is a fakeFeb 21 22:02
DaemonFCVentura is awesomeFeb 21 22:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: really? who knewFeb 21 22:02
DaemonFCB-)Feb 21 22:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: it was a typoFeb 21 22:02
schestowitz fake-fameFeb 21 22:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Schwarzenegger becomes President in your future. I saw it in the Simpsons MOvie.Feb 21 22:02
schestowitzThey recognise him nameFeb 21 22:02
schestowitzSo they vote for himFeb 21 22:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightFeb 21 22:03
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The consitution wouldn't allow itFeb 21 22:03
schestowitz"hey!! It's that man from TV who saved us from aliens and trucks"Feb 21 22:03
DaemonFCGovernator has hit his political peakFeb 21 22:03
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: nonsense. Obama was born in Liechtenstein, and HE'S president.Feb 21 22:03
schestowitzComing from a place where most people believe we come from 'intelligent' designFeb 21 22:03
schestowitzFanatasiesFeb 21 22:03
DaemonFCHawaii is part of the United StatesFeb 21 22:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: preciselyFeb 21 22:03
DaemonFCwe leaned on them fair and squareFeb 21 22:03
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 22:03
schestowitzOne defence is to confuse evolution with cosmology and physicsFeb 21 22:03
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Obama was no more born in Hawaii than I was!Feb 21 22:04
DaemonFCwell, Aloha!Feb 21 22:04
schestowitzIn Kentucky, as I've learned today, they have just solidified some fantasy classesFeb 21 22:04
schestowitzWhere they indocrinate kids to believe in parallel universes/realitiesFeb 21 22:04
schestowitzRealities where there's this man above the cloud.... taught at schoolsFeb 21 22:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they broadcast FOX in schools now?Feb 21 22:04
schestowitzI'm not at least shocked.......Feb 21 22:04
*DaemonFC starts learning Hawaii Creole Pidgin so he can speak to FurnaceBoy more competantly Feb 21 22:04
DaemonFC*grin*Feb 21 22:04
schestowitzHe was born in HawaiiFeb 21 22:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: just bone up on Lilo'n'Stitch .. why reach beyond Disney for any topic?Feb 21 22:05
schestowitzThey have his birth certiificate and an articleFeb 21 22:05
schestowitzThe "Fantasy people' pretend they have no eyesFeb 21 22:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: JFK was his real dadFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzThat they can't see his birth ceritificate that they stick on TVFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzTo them, Obama being an outsider is lik faithFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzit doesn't matter what you say, they have already decidedFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzIf you disagree, that's blasphemyFeb 21 22:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: of course he's not one of us. he's the wrong colour.Feb 21 22:06
DaemonFCyeah, and space aliens genetically engineered him to be black but not walk around with his pants buckled to his ankles carrying a boomboxFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzHe's an alienFeb 21 22:06
DaemonFC:DFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzDressed like a human beingFeb 21 22:06
schestowitzBe afraid!Feb 21 22:06
schestowitzVery afraid!Feb 21 22:06
schestowitzFlying saucer!Feb 21 22:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how did we get to be talking about Cheney?Feb 21 22:07
schestowitzSome people can't tell apart reality and sci-fictionFeb 21 22:07
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 21 22:07
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Go Fuck Yourself!!!!! arrrrghhh!!!!!Feb 21 22:07
DaemonFC;)Feb 21 22:07
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I read about him yesterdayFeb 21 22:07
schestowitzAdmission of crimesFeb 21 22:07
schestowitzBut it doesn't matterFeb 21 22:07
schestowitzHe's richFeb 21 22:07
schestowitzIt takes more crimes to take him down, so to speakFeb 21 22:07
schestowitzHe has $karma$Feb 21 22:08
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFc1RMbko4Feb 21 22:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Dick Cheney as a Wal-Mart Greeter .::. Size~: 115.42 KBFeb 21 22:08
DaemonFCB-)Feb 21 22:08
schestowitzMaybe some people's brain work badlyFeb 21 22:08
schestowitzyet they reproduce well (no contraceptionFeb 21 22:08
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoKiszmKAQ&feature=relatedFeb 21 22:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Family Guy Hunting With Dick Cheney .::. Size~: 120.23 KBFeb 21 22:08
schestowitzWe have mechanisms to tell apart dream and realityFeb 21 22:08
schestowitzSome people have flawsFeb 21 22:08
schestowitzSo they become schizophrenic or deludedFeb 21 22:09
schestowitzAnd the tool for controlling masses is this delusion they offerFeb 21 22:09
Omar87schestowitz, btw, according to the Psychopath's argument, even Wikipedia (The 4th most visted and most trusted website on Earth) is also an example of bad journalism.Feb 21 22:09
Omar87:PFeb 21 22:09
schestowitzUnless the paycheck doesn't come (c/f fired MS employees)Feb 21 22:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, Wanda Sykes: "Dick Cheney showed up in Afghanistan to boost troop morale. I don't know about you, but my boss is the last person I want to see. And what do you get if Dick Cheney shoots you? It's not a purple heart, it's one of Cheney's bad old hearts."Feb 21 22:09
schestowitzOmar87: yes, but it has external linksFeb 21 22:09
DaemonFC"Here ya go son, lucky number 4!"Feb 21 22:09
DaemonFC:)Feb 21 22:10
Omar87schestowitz, I know that, but I'm just saying what he thinks.Feb 21 22:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: saying eulogies?Feb 21 22:10
schestowitzIt's noble reallyFeb 21 22:10
schestowitzhe goes to see the boys he sent there before they dieFeb 21 22:10
Omar87schestowitz, he's plain pathetic.Feb 21 22:10
schestowitzHow kind of himFeb 21 22:10
Diablo-D3[05:03:09] <Omar87> schestowitz, btw, according to the Psychopath's argument, even Wikipedia (The 4th most visted and most trusted website on Earth) is also an example of bad journalism.Feb 21 22:11
Diablo-D3I wasnt aware it was journalism at all.Feb 21 22:11
Omar87Diablo-D3, It's not.Feb 21 22:11
Omar87Diablo-D3, but neirther is Roy's website.Feb 21 22:12
Omar87neither*Feb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3its notFeb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3his is just repeating stuff he heard elsewhereFeb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3soFeb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3that makes fox news not journalism either :DFeb 21 22:12
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 21 22:12
FurnaceBoydid anyone ever think it was?Feb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3not everyone watches the daily showFeb 21 22:12
FurnaceBoyhm..?Feb 21 22:12
Diablo-D3which, ironically, IS journalismFeb 21 22:12
FurnaceBoyMurdoch has been around a lot longer than the Daily Show.Feb 21 22:13
FurnaceBoyhe's not a new problemFeb 21 22:13
Omar87Roy basically gathers the information and place them in a neat and easy-to-access way for people to read.Feb 21 22:13
FurnaceBoyhe just flits from continent to continent, destroying media.Feb 21 22:13
Omar87He basically analyzes the latest news and publishes his results to the world, no more.Feb 21 22:14
FurnaceBoyOmar87: I'd call this at a minimum aggregation, at best, analysisFeb 21 22:14
FurnaceBoyOmar87: Roy draws some good dotsFeb 21 22:14
Omar87FurnaceBoy, exactly.Feb 21 22:14
FurnaceBoyjoins*Feb 21 22:14
Omar87FurnaceBoy, Thank you.Feb 21 22:14
FurnaceBoyand he seems to have an encyclopedic memory :)Feb 21 22:15
Omar87FurnaceBoy, agreed. :)Feb 21 22:15
FurnaceBoyhalf of what he remembers and links and cites, I've blotted out already because it's so filthy disgusting to carry around as knowledge :(Feb 21 22:15
FurnaceBoyOmar87: also, it's worth mentioning the Groklaw traditionFeb 21 22:16
FurnaceBoyOmar87: few people are archiving the incriminating stuff... all the vested interests want suppressedFeb 21 22:16
Omar87FurnaceBoy, Bingo!Feb 21 22:17
schestowitzGroklaw is greatFeb 21 22:17
schestowitzFor Linux news, PhoronixFeb 21 22:17
Omar87Exactly.Feb 21 22:17
schestowitzTux Machines for aggregationFeb 21 22:17
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1Feb 21 22:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs Ubuntu Netbook Benchmarks .::. Size~: 18.76 KBFeb 21 22:17
schestowitzPhoronix won't punish some "is this year of the desktop?" nonsenseFeb 21 22:17
Omar87schestowitz, Groklaw does an excellent job of filing the incriminating stuff about the giant monopolist.Feb 21 22:17
schestowitzIt just actually does some real work tracking developers and testing codeFeb 21 22:17
schestowitzCompare to IGFeb 21 22:17
schestowitzEnquiring with "analysts", who are extensions of companies (funded by the)Feb 21 22:18
schestowitz*themFeb 21 22:18
FurnaceBoyOmar87: we just need to make sure that GL and BN can't be "disappeared"Feb 21 22:18
schestowitzOmar87: mostly SCOFeb 21 22:18
DaemonFChmmm, Nexuiz runs nearly as fast as with FGLRXFeb 21 22:18
DaemonFCthis is encouragingFeb 21 22:18
Omar87FurnaceBoy, true.Feb 21 22:18
schestowitzMicrosoft stuff is incomplete there because PJ already has her eyes on the SCO ballFeb 21 22:18
schestowitzBN is focused on Novell and Microsoft (the deal)Feb 21 22:19
Omar87schestowitz, but the story is the same at the end of day, since both companies and 2 faces of the same coin.Feb 21 22:19
Omar87are* 2 facesFeb 21 22:19
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, no "page has expired" or missingFeb 21 22:19
schestowitzThere's many years of research going into showing the dots Feb 21 22:19
schestowitzLike who an analyst works for and what he says whenFeb 21 22:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you have to have mirrors in un-touchable jurisdictions, imhoFeb 21 22:20
schestowitzFFII has good profilesFeb 21 22:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: (or harder to shut down)Feb 21 22:20
schestowitzThat can be set upFeb 21 22:20
schestowitzMaybe next weekendFeb 21 22:20
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 21 22:21
*FurnaceBoy afksFeb 21 22:21
schestowitz"Built by the Broadband Computer Company, the Alex laptop runs an operating system based on Ubuntu Linux and a set of applications that have been written in-house. The laptop's features have been vastly simplified, and updates are applied automatically without prompting the user, according to company co-founder Andy Hudson."Feb 21 22:26
schestowitzLinux laptop takes the strain for technophobes  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,40047601,00.htmFeb 21 22:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 111.7 KBFeb 21 22:26
Omar87schestowitz, check this out: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Excellent_Lessons_in_Journalism_How_to_Write_a_BoycottNovell_Article#comment-5726Feb 21 22:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Excellent Lessons in Journalism: How to Write a BoycottNovell Article! | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 56.68 KBFeb 21 22:27
schestowitzhttp://tech.nocr.at/tech/happy-birthday-bbs/Feb 21 22:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Happy Birthday BBS | tech.nocr.at .::. Size~: 45 KBFeb 21 22:29
schestowitzOmar87: read it, thanks for defending usFeb 21 22:35
Omar87schestowitz, anytime. :-)Feb 21 22:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Father in law needs vista laptop disk repartitioning. Showed him gparted. I think he was impressed.Feb 21 22:57
*schestowitz prepares some daily linksFeb 21 23:04
schestowitzMeeGo looks bloated. http://en.akihabaranews.com/35027/phone/nokia%E2%80%99s-maemo-project-merges-with-intel%E2%80%99s-moblin-to-become-meegoFeb 21 23:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nokia’s Maemo project merges with Intel’s Moblin to become MeeGo  «  Akihabara News .::. Size~: 60.12 KBFeb 21 23:09
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,40043024-39001105c-20107169o,00.htm "getting BECTA to change policy could be difficult"Feb 21 23:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: getting BECTA to change policy could be difficult - Ofsted advises schools to open website access - Talkback at ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 80.08 KBFeb 21 23:10
schestowitzhttp://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/10-best-linux-distributions-distros-in-2010/Feb 21 23:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 10 Best Linux Distributions / Distros in 2010 .::. Size~: 73.51 KBFeb 21 23:14
schestowitzThis guy who previously trolled Linux is at it again: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2360048,00.aspFeb 21 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LiMo Could Join New MeeGo Mobile Group - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 77.8 KBFeb 21 23:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oi oi oaktown.Feb 21 23:30
schestowitzHere is a site making things up:Feb 21 23:33
schestowitzhttp://www.pocket-lint.com/news/31617/lg-predicts-death-of-symbian-webosFeb 21 23:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LG predicts death of Symbian, BlackBerry, webOS - Pocket-lint .::. Size~: 42.27 KBFeb 21 23:33
schestowitzHe didn't say it,,, he just said consolidationFeb 21 23:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] "I am you, he is she, we are all together" - Robert OrtbalFeb 21 23:40
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/15620/is_windows_7_really_a_memory_hogFeb 21 23:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Is Windows 7 really a memory hog? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 135.49 KBFeb 21 23:45
schestowitz"Editor's note: The person quoted in this story as "Craig Barth" is actually Randall C. Kennedy, an InfoWorld contributor. Kennedy, who presented himself as the CTO of Devil Mountain Software, no longer works at InfoWorld. Given that he disguised his identity to Computerworld and a number of other publications, the credibility of Kennedy's statements is called into question. Rather than simply remove stories in which he is quoted, we Feb 21 23:45
schestowitzhave left them online so readers can weigh his data and conclusions for themselves."Feb 21 23:45
schestowitzWhoaFeb 21 23:45
FurnaceBoyhmFeb 21 23:48
FurnaceBoythey should combine that with liberal use of highlighter in the article textFeb 21 23:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC Trust blows £3m on new HQ - Times Online - What's the difference between a corporate fat cat and a BBC exec? http://tinyurl.com/y9mle6cFeb 21 23:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  BBC Trust blows £3m on new HQ - Times Online  .::. Size~: 99.65 KBFeb 21 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @michaelgeist #ACTA Internet chapter leaks: reveals USTR deceptive claims on 3 strikes. It IS model policy for ISPs http://bit.ly/9krV4MFeb 21 23:54

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